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massraider
Footballguy
I apologize for my hyperbole. And befoe you ask, as far as I know, no player has ever actually gone into "disco spasm".Way to miss the entire point of my post.
In principle I agree with you, but making another lame rule about it isn't the way this should be done. If the NFL really wants to put some class back into things let teams handle it themselves.To me this is more about the NFL trying to control everything and make the game look like a bunch of robots wearing officially licensed NFL apparel (come and buy them and shopnfl.com).
HULLOBUDMAN
Footballguy
sports·man·ship ( P ) Pronunciation Key (spôrtsmn-shp, sprts-)
n.
Conduct and attitude considered as befitting participants in sports, especially fair play, courtesy, striving spirit, and grace in losing.
Good for the owners if this passes.
n.
Conduct and attitude considered as befitting participants in sports, especially fair play, courtesy, striving spirit, and grace in losing.
Good for the owners if this passes.
maybe it's just me, but I love most of TO and Chad Johnson's celebrations. there was only one TO celebration that i thought was over the top (the Dallas one), but everything else was funny as hell (Sharpie, Pom-Poms, imitating Ray Lewis, etc). Most of Chad Johnson's stuff is also pretty funny to me.
It's just a game..don't see the big deal.
It's just a game..don't see the big deal.
I dont know this seems like overkill to me. I mean really we all ##### and moan when government wants to take control of our ability to have free speech and crap like that but seriously, its a game and players get excited.
I mean how do you draw the line in what is a celebration? A Ray Lewis Sack vs a #85 Touchdown celebration? Both could be considered excessive if you were to argue it. Even a QB rushing to the endzone to tackle the WR that made the touchdown catch could be considered excessive.
To me it just seems like "big brother" is trying to add yet another RULE and it really doesnt need to be there.
It just seems to me that a rule like this would be too hard to define. They would have to have wording in there that would state you could only slap 5 high fives after a sack, and only jump around for 3 seconds but no waving your arms in the air like you just dont care
I mean how do you draw the line in what is a celebration? A Ray Lewis Sack vs a #85 Touchdown celebration? Both could be considered excessive if you were to argue it. Even a QB rushing to the endzone to tackle the WR that made the touchdown catch could be considered excessive.
To me it just seems like "big brother" is trying to add yet another RULE and it really doesnt need to be there.
It just seems to me that a rule like this would be too hard to define. They would have to have wording in there that would state you could only slap 5 high fives after a sack, and only jump around for 3 seconds but no waving your arms in the air like you just dont care
Wreckincrew
Footballguy
If they outlaw the celebrations then where the heck am I going to see a grown man imitate a lawn sprinkler? 
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Pictus Cat
Footballguy
Admiration for a no nonsense way of conduct?Since they are advertising themselves, maybe the NFL could fine the player the going rate for advertising each time the celebration is shown.
And then the team fine for whatever the team feels the celebration cost them.
I usually don't notice the celebrations until the highlights. It might be more entertaining to see the great plays that week and the celebrations with money the clown will paying for it flashing underneath.
Bad team clowns celebrating wouldn't have to pay as much.
Who would begrudge the Packers at 2-8 celebrating first downs like touchdowns?
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
If the players antics are so damn entertaining I suggest Smith, Johnson, T.O. and the like start their own cable dance shows and even book arenas to market a dance tour. They could call it the Media Whores Review.
Me, I want to watch football, not some lame attempt to draw attention to oneself. The defenders of this make me laugh. Are you really entertained by bad dance and pantomime. If so, perhaps you should hang in parks and squares and watch mimes perform while the rest of us watch football on sundays.
In the end its a minor issue. Just more pandering to the increasingly puerile attitudes of the metrosexual gen Xers. The NFL should simply handle the matter by starting the play clock from the time the player crosses the goal line. They should insist that the point after team not be allowed to cross inside the twenty until the ball is spotted, and the only ball they should spot should be the one that crossed the goal line. They should just insist that officials will not retrieve the ball, but that the player must bring it to the official. If the clock runs out it's a five yard penalty for delay of game accessed both on the P.A.T. and on the ensuing kick.
As for Defensive players celebrating on the field both the play clock and the game clock should be stopped until the next snap.
Problem solved.
Me, I want to watch football, not some lame attempt to draw attention to oneself. The defenders of this make me laugh. Are you really entertained by bad dance and pantomime. If so, perhaps you should hang in parks and squares and watch mimes perform while the rest of us watch football on sundays.
In the end its a minor issue. Just more pandering to the increasingly puerile attitudes of the metrosexual gen Xers. The NFL should simply handle the matter by starting the play clock from the time the player crosses the goal line. They should insist that the point after team not be allowed to cross inside the twenty until the ball is spotted, and the only ball they should spot should be the one that crossed the goal line. They should just insist that officials will not retrieve the ball, but that the player must bring it to the official. If the clock runs out it's a five yard penalty for delay of game accessed both on the P.A.T. and on the ensuing kick.
As for Defensive players celebrating on the field both the play clock and the game clock should be stopped until the next snap.
Problem solved.
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massraider
Footballguy
What's the difference if teams enforce it, or if they empower the league to?
ClownCausedChaos
I ain't got time to bleed
Maybe its been posted, I don't know, I didn't read the whole thread, but I like the idea of having a time limit on celebrations.
The scrorer has 10 or 15 seconds to celebrate in any manner (as long as its tasteful). This would keep from delaying the play of the game, but also allow for the entertainment of the TD celebration.
The scrorer has 10 or 15 seconds to celebrate in any manner (as long as its tasteful). This would keep from delaying the play of the game, but also allow for the entertainment of the TD celebration.
BoulderBob
Footballguy
Sometimes the NFL is a joke and takes itself much too seriously.It's a freaking game for crying out loud.
We can't have a one sheep stand out, because hey, that would startle the herd.
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Because I don't want an official determining whether Chad Johnson tossing a football up in the air and pretending to shoot it with an imaginary shotgun qualifies as "using the ball as a prop". The more these rules are put into place, the more players will go out of their way to find an innovative celebration to skirt the wording of the rules, forcing the NFL to put more rules in place.As it is, the NFL doesn't allow coaches to wear non-NFL sanctioned apparel on the sidelines. Remember when Mike Nolan wanted to wear a suit on the sidelines a'la Tom Landry and the NFL turned him down, saying he had to wear the high class NFL sweatsuits?
Instead of trying to control everything the league should be realizing that a lot of casual fans watch the games because of those TD celebrations, and because of the individual personalities of the players. That's part of what has made the league such a success. Cracking down on individuality isn't going to improve the league's image, or make it more popular.
I wouldn't be surprised
massraider
Footballguy
Fair enough. I just don't believe this. I really, really don't believe that any fan watches the game FOR the TD celebrations.And I also think that most fans think players go too far with these little routines.
I watch it for the play on the field..
Keysersoze666
Footballguy
Everyone has a right to an opinion on this subject and most of what has been posted are simply the personal preferences of the poster. This splits into 2 main camps:
1) It's a game, the celebrations are "hot sauce" on the entree and fun to watch so why stop them.
2) It's a profession and class, dignity, sportsmanship and honoring my teamates should trump any such silly celebration.
If I were an owner and had a vote on this subject I would have 2 areas of concern. How it affects the quality of play ON the field and how it affects the perception of our sport OFF the field. Here would be my "owner's glasses" viewpoint:
1) ON the FIELD - There are rules in place to deal with length of time (delay of game). If this is being enforced sufficiently then any celebration held within that framework isn't harming the speed of the game. There are also rules in place to deal with interaction with the other team (taunting). If this rule is being enforced then any celebration that doesn't involve taunting isn't harming the game. Beyond these parameters I see no evidence that on-the-field play is degraded by celebrations. If someone goes overboard we reserve the right to punish the Individual Act and not blanket all players as a whole.
2) OFF the FIELD - I ask myself hypothetical questions: How do celebrations affect diehard fans? My answer is NOT at ALL. No diehard fan will stop participating in our sport because of something Chad Johnson or Steve Smith concocts in a celebration dance. In fact, one could argue that it gives the fans fuel for rivalries that help our sport, not hurt it. How does it affect casual fans? In today's society any media consumer sees far wose acts of crassness than anything they would see in an NFL game. If a casual fan flips over to a game see what a player might do in a celebration he gets exposure to our sport. How is that bad?
To celebrate is not classless or undignified, though it COULD be. It's not automatically unsportsmanlike but it COULD be. It doesn't disrepect my teamates but it COULD. To add more rules on top of rules to deal with COULD when we can't properly make calls on the field during our biggest game of the year, the Super Bowl, is a waste of ownerships time. Let's concentrate on making the game on the field more fair and properly officiated. Also don't forget that what COULD happen is why many people may choose to tune in.
PS: To those of you enamored with the Paul Brown/Bob Trumpy, "Act like you've been there before story", that was EONS ago. Times change, the world evolves. Self expression is growing and will never fade back to those levels. Attempting to legislate behavior doesn't teach class and dignity. If a player wishes to act in that way and gets pointed out for his behavior, then the lesson has context and teeth, it means something. If ALL players are legislated to act that way, it simply becomes a rule based on mindless conformity.
Contrarian opinions are welcome, after all, legislating against opinons would be just as silly as legislating against meaningless celebrations.
1) It's a game, the celebrations are "hot sauce" on the entree and fun to watch so why stop them.
2) It's a profession and class, dignity, sportsmanship and honoring my teamates should trump any such silly celebration.
If I were an owner and had a vote on this subject I would have 2 areas of concern. How it affects the quality of play ON the field and how it affects the perception of our sport OFF the field. Here would be my "owner's glasses" viewpoint:
1) ON the FIELD - There are rules in place to deal with length of time (delay of game). If this is being enforced sufficiently then any celebration held within that framework isn't harming the speed of the game. There are also rules in place to deal with interaction with the other team (taunting). If this rule is being enforced then any celebration that doesn't involve taunting isn't harming the game. Beyond these parameters I see no evidence that on-the-field play is degraded by celebrations. If someone goes overboard we reserve the right to punish the Individual Act and not blanket all players as a whole.
2) OFF the FIELD - I ask myself hypothetical questions: How do celebrations affect diehard fans? My answer is NOT at ALL. No diehard fan will stop participating in our sport because of something Chad Johnson or Steve Smith concocts in a celebration dance. In fact, one could argue that it gives the fans fuel for rivalries that help our sport, not hurt it. How does it affect casual fans? In today's society any media consumer sees far wose acts of crassness than anything they would see in an NFL game. If a casual fan flips over to a game see what a player might do in a celebration he gets exposure to our sport. How is that bad?
To celebrate is not classless or undignified, though it COULD be. It's not automatically unsportsmanlike but it COULD be. It doesn't disrepect my teamates but it COULD. To add more rules on top of rules to deal with COULD when we can't properly make calls on the field during our biggest game of the year, the Super Bowl, is a waste of ownerships time. Let's concentrate on making the game on the field more fair and properly officiated. Also don't forget that what COULD happen is why many people may choose to tune in.
PS: To those of you enamored with the Paul Brown/Bob Trumpy, "Act like you've been there before story", that was EONS ago. Times change, the world evolves. Self expression is growing and will never fade back to those levels. Attempting to legislate behavior doesn't teach class and dignity. If a player wishes to act in that way and gets pointed out for his behavior, then the lesson has context and teeth, it means something. If ALL players are legislated to act that way, it simply becomes a rule based on mindless conformity.
Contrarian opinions are welcome, after all, legislating against opinons would be just as silly as legislating against meaningless celebrations.
Sorry. 
cstu
Footballguy
Just what we need, a bunch of guys like Barry Sanders who don't even like the game of football.
Barry Sanders had the best celebration the league ever saw.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
That is a terrible idea. If they did that, you know very few, if any, teams would enforce it for fear of ticking off their star players. Teams want their star players to be happy and if doing TD celebrations makes them happy, teams are not about to tell them they can't do them.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Just what the league needs, LESS personality.
Keysersoze666
Footballguy
Hey redman, I meant contrarian opinions from other owners, I was still in character, hehehe.As far as your example goes, what would you suggest would represent a "*******" celebration? Maybe 4 players pretending to sit in a car that bounces up and down? Wait that would get flagged for having too many participants. Seriously, the current rules would be fine, if a player went to far he'd get nailed as an Individual, responsible for HIS actions, just like the "free expression" you bring up.
ChromeWeasel
Footballguy
No, but at least it's proffessional. The NFL doesnt want to let itself go the way of the NBA, where the players are all regarded as thugs.The fact is that most players censor themselves. But there's a few extremely talented idiots that don't. These guys are making highlight reels and standing out. This is fun in the short run, and destructive to the proffessionalism of the game in the long run. The NFL doesnt want these players to become the defacto representation of their product. They are taking steps to preserve the game's integrity for the long run.
This has nothing to do with looking professional, if it did, the NFL would allow coaches to wear suits on the sidelines. A suit is much more professional than a team sweatshirt. I guess since it doesn't promote the league though, that's all that matters...I wonder if the league would fine a group of players who spelled out "NFL.COM" in a group celebration...
massraider
Footballguy
Everything has to be to the extreme.
If you're not in favor of restricting celebrations, then you are FOR players behaving like complete loons, and showing up the other team.
If you are in favor of restricting celebrations, then you want the players to be automatons, with no personality whatsoever.
Give me a break. Applying the most extreme example to someone's point is why most of these discussions never go anywhere.
" I think the new celebration rule is a good idea...."
"So you're against free speech?"
Lame.
If you're not in favor of restricting celebrations, then you are FOR players behaving like complete loons, and showing up the other team.
If you are in favor of restricting celebrations, then you want the players to be automatons, with no personality whatsoever.
Give me a break. Applying the most extreme example to someone's point is why most of these discussions never go anywhere.
" I think the new celebration rule is a good idea...."
"So you're against free speech?"
Lame.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Hot off the press
I just heard on the radio that Chad Johnson has commented on this by saying (and I paraphrase - do not have exact quote) something to the effect that:
"No way the NFL cal stop #85 from entertaining himself....no way"
This is gonna get real interesting folks.....like someone mentioned, the players will definitely find a way to circumvent the rule.
PS: I agree, Sweetness had the best TD celebration EVER.....RIP #34
I just heard on the radio that Chad Johnson has commented on this by saying (and I paraphrase - do not have exact quote) something to the effect that:
"No way the NFL cal stop #85 from entertaining himself....no way"
This is gonna get real interesting folks.....like someone mentioned, the players will definitely find a way to circumvent the rule.
PS: I agree, Sweetness had the best TD celebration EVER.....RIP #34
