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:highfive:Stinger Ray said:CowboysFromHell said:Stinger Ray said:CowboysFromHell said:Lutherman2112 said:Or how they value the unborn fetus of a poor mother up until the day it is born, then turn their back on it.
Or how they worship Jesus, who was obviously a democrat.
Are you likening school to prison camp and saying its destructive?
Present to me the benefits of our aggressive policing of drugs in inner cities. I would assume the most basic goal was to remove access to drugs. We know it has failed in that respect. So what are the benefits I am missing?Eta: there's a lot of solutions that don't involve paramilitary style tactics and treating drug users/sellers/producers like terrorists.CowboysFromHell said:
I wouldn't make that comparison, but compulsory education is a total violation of liberty and is even worse when the State mandates exactly what everyone must learn. It's an awful policy.
So you don't disagree with the goal, only the results (or, more precisely, the lack thereof)?
Both. Look up the number of people in prison for small-time marijuana related crimes. Thousands upon thousands. Families broken, lives irreversibly changed for the worse over a substance that has fewer negative consequences than booze. Not to mention the vast amount of resources that went into finding, arresting, prosecuting, and imprisoning those people.
Really? ESPN showed a photo of Rose which I assumed was from last night. If I'm wrong, I stand corrected.
Ok. If making a free education mandatory is such a dagger to a child's liberty, what do you propose as an alternative? Education optional? If so, who makes the call on if a kid goes or not? The parent? Until what age? Realistically, how many fewer kids would end up educated? Who foots the bill when these uneducated people can't get a job and have their hand out for help?
I'm betting that it wasn't a political statement, he was just telling the fans why he was sitting out another game.
The parents make the call until 18, then it's the new adult. Who foots the bill for all the kids now that don't graduate or get a college prep education when their skills/interests aren't for university and they leave high school with no real job skills? It's sad that in most areas, a kid, their parents and teachers might agree that the focus of the education should be something like an art or skilled trade, but their opinion is meaningless because a legislative body somewhere has decided that the kid needs to focus on college prep courses to receive a diploma. Controlling one's education is one of the most basic and important liberties that one deserves. It will impact every aspect of a persons life.
Yes. The drugs are still widely available so it has done nothing to actually stop drug use while introducing problems even worse than drug use. Look at the cops in Denver. A guy is caught and has what they think is heroin in his mouth. He won't let it go, so they hold him down and punch him 6 times in the face to get him to open his mouth. Then, when his 7 months pregnant GF comes up screaming in horror, they flip her onto the ground. Someone taped it, so the cops try to confiscate the tape and destroy the evidence. All this for a guy that posed no threat. He was defenseless. All this violence over him having some heroin (that he would have had to give up eventually). How do we as a society continue to allow this type of "law enforcement" to openly continue across the country?
Posed no threat to who? The cops? You're probably right there. Seems like they had him pretty well in hand. Let's say they didn't though. Let's say the guy and his ol lady and the kid avoid the cops and make it to their destination. Once there, guy shoots up and then (in a smack-fueled rage) beats the daylights out of her in front of the kid because, well, that's what junkies sometimes do. People find out when she goes in for her pre-natal exam and hasn't been able to open her eye for a week and then everybody agrees the cops need to do more to keep maniacs like that guy locked up. Or, maybe the guy is not the violent type. Maybe he is a lover and shares the goods with Ms Sevenmonthsalong. She jabs a vein and then in a month has a baby with all kinds of problems. Fast forward a few years. Older kid is a mess from having junky parents and is already in the corrections system. Meanwhile Mama's ripping the racist school system for not being able to do anything with her ####ed-up younger kid. Clearly it's because he is Latino she says. After a few more years, that kid's life is a mess and says "#### it! I am just going to get wasted." Few years later, he and his 7 months pregnant gf are cruising down the road with a sock of heroin...
Arrest them and take them in. My issue isn't with the arrest, it's with turning an arrest into a beat down.
You are too clever for us, PatsBot.*
No, I am suggesting that it is not the government's responsibility to be making those decisions for us. Just because there a bunch of #### ups that abuse drugs doesn't mean that everyone that uses them is a #### up. By that same logic, we should also be banning alcohol. We all know how that worked out, yet we are willingly making the same mistake again. Prohibition does little more than create a black market and a new subculture of criminals. It allowed organized crime to gain power the first time around and is doing so again. By legalizing said "more potent chemicals", the government can do what it does best. Regulate and tax.whiskey7 said:
I guess I can see your point on liberty, but jeebus, the way out of poverty is gotta be through more/better education, not less! And, yes, the world will always need ditch diggers, so I totally agree at some point, college prep should be abandoned for some kids...after they've learned the basics of reading, writing, arithmetic, etc.
I think they tried that. I think that was their exact intent until our friend Flores chose Option 2 (aka "the hard way").
Just their responsibility to help those people who make horrible choices and then have no where else to turn, right?
I thought Reggie Bush was talking about his rib injury or one of his many injuries that prevent him from playing 75% of the time. Should wear a shirt that's says "I can`t play, Hurt again"
Wait, are they just legal or are they free? Because I'm gonna put my foot down and say that people should buy their crack the old fashioned way instead of getting a handout from Uncle Sam.
There is middle ground between current state and unregulated legalization of crack. There is no commodity in this country that is bought, sold, traded, or produced unchecked.
Heroin and crack are widely available. If you want them, it is not hard to find. So you just want people that use them to be punished? Or do you think the policies are working we are just on the verge of finally catching the last few drug dealers? Otherwise, it might be time to re-examine our approach on the issue.
First bolded is funny..Second is part of the issue. Resisting arrest or trying to hide drugs shouldn't result in battery. Ultimately, this is a big grey area and one that needs to be addressed as a country.
Is the root cause the war on drugs, or the drugs themselves? Or, just maybe we don't live in a world that's simply black and white, and it's actually a bit of both?
Yeah, drugs are a huge issue also. We can't legislate drugs away. We can legislate our way out the war on them. Maybe there is a more efficient and effective approach?
The medical examiner said he died from the choke hold. No that was the preliminary public report he says. The grand jury didn't just see the one video we are seeing on tv, but 4 and it was clear.
Anderson was obviously flustered with this guy who had an answer for everything, that didn't quite add up..
There's not an argument you can give me about legalizing drugs that I haven't read before; there's actually not many that I haven't MADE before . I know that heroin is easily accessible . I know that it would be better to treat the people that use it as sick rather than criminals. I agree with all that. And yet I believe it would fundamentally weaken us as a society if we ever made it legal. I can't get behind that. As for crack, we saw what it did to the inner cities of this country. So destructive. We are still paying the cost of it's spread, like a disease far worse than Ebola .
Again, there are other options beyond just making all drugs legal.
Haven't been in here since page 4... About to slide right out... ####### helicopters are getting real annoying in my neighborhood though.This thread has become unreadable.
She went home around 8...Tomorrow calls for heavy rain and wind, we'll see how dedicated she is.
