Yeah, that clip wasn't meant to be some sort of situational comparison (it would be more similar to Gillislee's untouched runs last year when he compiled his 5.7 ypc that everyone was drooling over). I mainly just liked that run and wanted to link it. I had to ask the question though since everyone was ready to dog pile on Blount for his 3.9 ypc last year and now Gillislee is at 3.6 ypc. There seemed to be a prevailing thought that Gillislee would be an upgrade and that Blount was not that good. I still think that line of thought was very foolish. Blount has a lot more highlight worthy runs this year, though, and he's about to turn 31...
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Anarchy99
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There is also a decent chance that Blount running behind that line this year in NE would have a 1.8 ypc. I personally don't think the Pats made the wrong choice, but whatever Blount does anywhere else is irrelevant to what is going on in NE.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I'm thinking of dealing McFadden to the Zeke owner for him...Get stronger for 2nd half when weather turns cold
Doubtful. Blount is pretty good at shedding blockers and gaining YAC.
I'm not saying the Pats made the wrong choice, just that fantasy owners are too quick to crown the next man up. Like my comments in the Dion thread, these comments are more football based than fantasy based. I was not going to pursue the NE backfield even if Blount remained.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Blount faded quite a bit as the season wore on last year. He had a 3.0 ypc over the final month and the playoffs (last 7 games). He has limited utility in the passing game (doesn't really catch, pass protect, or pick up blitzers all that well). It's easy to understand why the Pats were ready to move on.
How people interpreted what their next move was, how they would use the new set of backs, and how each would perform is a different discussion than "should NE have stuck with Blount."
I've seen Blount make nice hands catches on his targets, so I don't know that his bad rap in that phase is warranted, but it really seems moot. The guy they replaced him with has ZERO targets through five games, so I doubt passing game utility actually played any role in the decision to sign Gillislee instead of re-signing Blount. Maybe they didn't like the fade you noted or maybe they just wanted to get younger. I don't fault them for it. "Should NE have stuck with Blount?" is not a question I've asked or tried to answer. I just took issue with the seemingly quick and universal assumption that Gillislee was some sort of automatic upgrade over Blount and due for a floor of 12 TDs (although if I'm being fair, he's still on pace for 12.8).
FWIW, it's been years since I've owned any Blount stock (and I play in a lot of leagues). I just feel obligated to stick up for him since I love watching him play.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I have no aversion to NE backs, as they always come at a discount due to the perception that they are hard to predict and a muddied mess. I have owned Blount for years as a back up / bench guy that either took on a better role fantasy wise (or last year became a regular starter).
Not much has changed in that regard, as all the NE backs this year carried a fantasy back up price tag. I have Gillislee in several places, but I don't need him to be a stud (he's a RB 3 or 4 for me). People looking for a do it all back in NE will always be disappointed, but they are generally more productive than they cost (if healthy). Just don't expect one of them to run into Bell or Johnson.
I thought Gillislee would be a great best ball back, but in my best ball league he went for RB2 prices (most of my leagues are auction) despite them being ppr for the most part. Looking at the last FBG ADP, he came in at RB26 in 0ppr and RB28 in ppr, so he was not a cheap backup and remains difficult to predict on a weekly basis (which is problematic assuming you don't have him in best ball).
Anarchy99
Footballguy
In 10-12 team leagues, the point was he was not drafted as a RB1 or RB2. Most of my leagues he went in the RB25-30 range. Based on PPG in 0 ppr leagues and at least 3 games played, he ranks as RB17. Sure, he is inconsistent as his value is TD dependent, but not sure people can complain about their return so far. If so, then they were expected way too much.
Gillislee's trend is not good. Not sure if it was a matchup/game plan thing, a game situation thing, or Belichick upset about a fumble. Probably a bit of a combination of the three. He is obviously not a bell-cow and not a back they throw the ball to. At this point you can only count on about 8-10 carries for 30-40 yards and roll the dice if he is gonna get to punch in a touch down or two. Not a guy I would want to roll with, but no choice right now. Of course if they get in a situation where they have the lead and want to run the clock against a team they are capable of pounding it out against, those numbers could pop up to 15-20 carries and 70-80 yards. Still just a flex guy and bye week guy at best.
irish eyes
Footballguy
Have him in 2 leagues & dropping in both, he is hot garbage.
heckmanm
Footballguy
So after his big opening game, I had a deal lined up to trade him for Eifert after the week 1 games finished (since we couldn't do the trade after he had played). Then DJ (also on my squad) got hurt and I was suddenly much less deep at RB, so I decided to hang on to him.
I guess I was better off for this year not trading for Eifert, but yikes, is this guy useless to me now. If I had known, I probably would have gone ahead with the deal. (Hmm, maybe I should go ahead and propose it again
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I guess I was better off for this year not trading for Eifert, but yikes, is this guy useless to me now. If I had known, I probably would have gone ahead with the deal. (Hmm, maybe I should go ahead and propose it again
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Franknbeans
Footballguy
I dropped him last week for Charles Clay who might not see the field for another month.
shadrap
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Gained four lbs... FBG weight lifters will say it’s impossible
Interseptopus
Footballguy
droppable in dynasty?
At this point a hold would only be due to him not making the NE roster and landing somewhere else giving him some value.
At this point a hold would only be due to him not making the NE roster and landing somewhere else giving him some value.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Boston Scott owners curse the heavens
No and I’m shallow leagues, I’m not adding him yet unless I have a roster spot to burn. If he does we’ll week 1 though, I could see them giving him leash in weeks 2-4 and if he does well still, cutting Ingram straight up. Correct me if I’m wrong, and I may be, but I am under the impression that because Ingram has a suspension to his name, he voided any guarantees he had
I could see this game being a blowout and not overusing Kamara. I might plug him in over Barber
Franknbeans
Footballguy
remember when Gillislee lost his job in New England? T-4 weeks.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Just grabbed him as an end of the bench “backup to my backup to a backup”.
Lol
got a bargain on Ingram in the 8/9 turn, so purely a “just in case” kind of pickup - what if Gilislee excels; what if the Saints deal Ingram, what if Kamara gets hurt - I could see a scenario where Glee becomes fantasy relevant. Especially given that they just cut Scott (who was a hot pickup for about 11 mins...thanks for the $5 contribution, dudes in both my leagues who added Scott. lol)
Lol
got a bargain on Ingram in the 8/9 turn, so purely a “just in case” kind of pickup - what if Gilislee excels; what if the Saints deal Ingram, what if Kamara gets hurt - I could see a scenario where Glee becomes fantasy relevant. Especially given that they just cut Scott (who was a hot pickup for about 11 mins...thanks for the $5 contribution, dudes in both my leagues who added Scott. lol)
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Well said.
If ya don’t have a better alternative to this week one, you drafted horribly.
A few weeks ago I drafted Bell in the 1st, McKinnon in the 2nd, then picked up Guice in the 5th, then added Aaron Jones and Rashaad Penny later as insurance. Now what?Well said.
If ya don’t have a better alternative to this week one, you drafted horribly.
Not really...but it is remotely possible to get here without being a horrible drafter. You’d just need the worst luck in FF history...
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I didn't mean it like that, I meant regardless of format don't start Gillislee over Barber.Well said.
If ya don’t have a better alternative to this week one, you drafted horribly.
It's unlikely many people are forced to start Barber week 1 unless they went heavy on the zero RB but Barber isn't a bad start simply because he's going to touch the ball between 15-20 times. There are much worse backs than Barber who have stumbled into volume and produced.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
metoo
Footballguy
Sure thing:
QB: Winston, McCown, Mayfield
RB: Bell, McKinnon, Guice, A. Jones, Penny (had Jonathan Williams too but cut him for the aforementioned Gillislee)
WR: *pick your favorite jinx victim here*, Doug Baldwin, Marquise Lee, Martavis Bryant, Curtis Samuel
TE: D. Walker, Shaheen, Gathers
K: Dan Bailey
D: Oakland
(I’m only a WR1 away from having an all-injury squad at or near ADP! Crazy preseason.)
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