NO Saints @ Seattle On MNF (12/2/13) (1 Viewer)

[JuniorNB]

To be honest, ScottyDog, I haven't really noticed your posts before. I was making a general statement about the Seahawk fans I've encountered on this board and over at FFToday. In general, there is not a more arrogant, pompous fan base out there. You, personally, may be a great fan who can keep an objective viewpoint and not be condescending to other teams' fans. If you're the exception, then I applaud you and apologize for quoting you when attempting to make a blanket statement.

10-1. Hawks fans should be.

You're exhibit A of typical Seahawk fan. Although, as I recall last year, you ran away like a little girl and hid when the mighty mighty Seahawks lost in the playoffs. 18 weeks of pounding your chest and being smug, and not even man enough to face the music when your boys choked. That's why no one takes you seriously. You might as well change your member name to Bozo the Clown. Members either have you on ignore or laugh at you.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Both teams will be without a starting CB. Browner and Greer will both be missed by their respective defenses.

I hate to break your bubble, but the backup, Thurmond, IS ACTUALLY AN UPGRADE OVER BROWNER.

I love it when fans proclaim that the backup is better and having a starter injured is an upgrade. It happens all the time and rarely works out that way. There's a reason that Browner was starting, unless you think you got to 10-1 despite your coaches not knowing who their best players are? Even if Thurmond isn't much of a dropoff from Browner, what about Lane? Will he be a dropoff? Because he's going to have to move into Thurmond's role now.

Sir, you have no idea. We went 4-0 without Browner last year while Lane, Maxwell, and Thurmond all played excellent. The truth is all 3 of those guys WOULD START ON ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE NFL. What most people don't know that follow the Hawks is that they have more solid depth than any team in the league. Our GM John Schneider is in my opinion, the best GM in the league for this very reason.

Is it any wonder that Seattle fans have quickly overtaken Patriot fans as the most arrogant, pompous, hated fanbase in football? Even their subs are better than anyone else's meager starters.

Junior, I am just telling the truth. The NFL pundits will tell you the same thing. I am not calling anyone names here, not being condescending, not really sure how I can be called pompous and arrogant. I love football and I watch ALL the Seahawk games. Therefore I feel I have a pretty good grasp on where their players (starters and back-ups) stack up with other personnel on other NFL teams. I am really not sure why you feel the need to state your derogatory comments.

To be honest, ScottyDog, I haven't really noticed your posts before. I was making a general statement about the Seahawk fans I've encountered on this board and over at FFToday. In general, there is not a more arrogant, pompous fan base out there. You, personally, may be a great fan who can keep an objective viewpoint and not be condescending to other teams' fans. If you're the exception, then I applaud you and apologize for quoting you when attempting to make a blanket statement.

Be careful, this is how I started, then someone said name them I did, then I have been attacked since then. Its all here in the thread. I even tried to make amends later after I sobered up a bit and they wouldn't have it. I just have to keep them on ignore now so I can post in peace because of the personal insults.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=698325&hl=seahawks

There are good Seahawk fans though and I'll stay in lurk mode and look forward to their posts.

 

[mad sweeney]

Walter Thurmond was basically the only reason Antoine Winfield was let go to start the season. Arguably the best nickel corner in the league last year, got beat out on his own team and was cut. The only reason they signed Winfield was because nickel was a weakness when Thurmond was hurt.

Like others have said, Browner can be very susceptible to double moves, which Thurmond has not shown, and I think there's a chance Brees would have taken advantage of that.

What others probably don't know is that Browner has been benched this season in favor of Thurmond. Combine that with Seattle being 4-0 last year without him, and at least 4-0 this season without him, and the quite frankly, pro bowl level play of Thurmond this year, and you can see why Seattle fans aren't extremely morose about losing him.

He was benched for a quarter because he was playing like crap. Then he went back in after halftime. The following game he had his best if the year. Despite his 4 years, Thurmond hasn't had a lot of corner work in-game. Being the starter and going against savvy vets like Colstin and Brees isn't like coming in on nickel. He's still unproven in the long haul. Plus as I and the good Doc have mentioned, the falloff from starter to backup has increased now that the good backup is starting. You're deluded if you think losing a pro bowl corner isn't an issue. Plus, WT beat out Winfield, rightfully, but if Winfield is so good, where is he playing now?

You are delusional if you think Browner has been playing at "pro bowl" level. The only reason he can add that to his resume is because of his first year as a starter, where he was burned a ton, he somehow had 6 interceptions on the season and got to Hawaii because of injuries to other corners. By all accounts he has gotten better since that year, but a pro bowl caliber corner he is not.

I actually really like Browner, I think his opportunistic big hits and forced fumbles have been huge for Seattle. If we are talking about simply coverage, I think Thurmond has him beat.

And it's clear you didn't do much research after the Winfield signing on how great his play was last year if you are asking me that. He had opportunities after the was cut from Seattle, I'm guessing he just didn't want to start all over with a new, less talented team at this point in his career.

Says the blind Shaun Alexander defender.

 

[mad sweeney]

To be honest, ScottyDog, I haven't really noticed your posts before. I was making a general statement about the Seahawk fans I've encountered on this board and over at FFToday. In general, there is not a more arrogant, pompous fan base out there. You, personally, may be a great fan who can keep an objective viewpoint and not be condescending to other teams' fans. If you're the exception, then I applaud you and apologize for quoting you when attempting to make a blanket statement.

10-1. Hawks fans should be.

You're exhibit A of typical Seahawk fan. Although, as I recall last year, you ran away like a little girl and hid when the mighty mighty Seahawks lost in the playoffs. 18 weeks of pounding your chest and being smug, and not even man enough to face the music when your boys choked. That's why no one takes you seriously. You might as well change your member name to Bozo the Clown. Members either have you on ignore or laugh at you.

Typical? He's the apex DB. Nothing typical about him.

 

[mad sweeney]

Both teams will be without a starting CB. Browner and Greer will both be missed by their respective defenses.

I hate to break your bubble, but the backup, Thurmond, IS ACTUALLY AN UPGRADE OVER BROWNER.

I love it when fans proclaim that the backup is better and having a starter injured is an upgrade. It happens all the time and rarely works out that way. There's a reason that Browner was starting, unless you think you got to 10-1 despite your coaches not knowing who their best players are? Even if Thurmond isn't much of a dropoff from Browner, what about Lane? Will he be a dropoff? Because he's going to have to move into Thurmond's role now.

Sir, you have no idea. We went 4-0 without Browner last year while Lane, Maxwell, and Thurmond all played excellent. The truth is all 3 of those guys WOULD START ON ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE NFL. What most people don't know that follow the Hawks is that they have more solid depth than any team in the league. Our GM John Schneider is in my opinion, the best GM in the league for this very reason.

Is it any wonder that Seattle fans have quickly overtaken Patriot fans as the most arrogant, pompous, hated fanbase in football? Even their subs are better than anyone else's meager starters.

Junior, I am just telling the truth. The NFL pundits will tell you the same thing. I am not calling anyone names here, not being condescending, not really sure how I can be called pompous and arrogant. I love football and I watch ALL the Seahawk games. Therefore I feel I have a pretty good grasp on where their players (starters and back-ups) stack up with other personnel on other NFL teams. I am really not sure why you feel the need to state your derogatory comments.

To be honest, ScottyDog, I haven't really noticed your posts before. I was making a general statement about the Seahawk fans I've encountered on this board and over at FFToday. In general, there is not a more arrogant, pompous fan base out there. You, personally, may be a great fan who can keep an objective viewpoint and not be condescending to other teams' fans. If you're the exception, then I applaud you and apologize for quoting you when attempting to make a blanket statement.

Be careful, this is how I started, then someone said name them I did, then I have been attacked since then. There are good Seahawk fans though and I'll stay in lurk mode and look forward to their posts.

Revisionist history sure is fun. You were hammered and running your iMouth about a bunch of contradictory nonsense and unsupported bravado. Then you doubled down on it sober. Drop the martyr shtick. It has nothing to do with naming names, and everything to do with being blindly ignorant.

 

[Hooper31]

Regardless of who is better, Browner will most certainly be missed.

Agreed. Tough to find a better tackler playing CB in the entire NFL. Guy puts ball carriers on the ground, and quickly. Doesn't hurt that he's the size of some linebackers.

 

[Hooper31]

I was making a general statement about the Seahawk fans I've encountered on this board and over at FFToday. In general, there is not a more arrogant, pompous fan base out there..

There is no intelligent argument to made in trying to back this up. There are an equal proportion of idiot fans cheering for every team.

You're exhibit A of typical Seahawk fan.

And several Seattle fans call him out for being an idiot quite often. If you really believe there is such a thing as a "typical" Seahawk fan, well, that's your problem. I'm not going to debate you on this, but I'm not going to sit idly by and let your ignorant comment above go unnoticed.

 

[Breesisdaman]

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[SproutDaddy]

I applaud my fellow Saints fans for attempting to have discussions in here. I'm sure there are some decent Seahawks fans but your trolls are running rampant. And there are still 12 days to go..

Well having Breesbringsdaspam on your side kind of levels the playing field doesn't it?

Serious....dudes a troll.

Pot, please meet kettle.

 

[proninja]

I applaud my fellow Saints fans for attempting to have discussions in here. I'm sure there are some decent Seahawks fans but your trolls are running rampant. And there are still 12 days to go..

Well having Breesbringsdaspam on your side kind of levels the playing field doesn't it?

Serious....dudes a troll.

Pot, please meet kettle.

I think the lesson here is that it's probably a little dumb to assume that everyone who is a fan of a certain team is the exact same type of fan. Regardless of which team it is. Both fanbases have good people and trolls. It seems silly to use a sample size of two or three loudmouths on one message board to make assumptions about an entire fanbase.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Saints-Seahawks Fun Facts:

The two pass defenses have given up the exact same number of passing TDs all year: 11 (SEA in 1 more game)

SEA DST has allowed 2nd fewest FFPA vs QBs, NO DST is 3rd.

SEA DST has 34 sacks in 11 games; NO DST has 32 sacks in 10 games.

 

[cacksman]

Says the blind Shaun Alexander defender.

I actually have no idea what you're talking about

 

[cacksman]

This game does look to be a NFCCG Preview though. If Seattle wins the MNF game, would that give New Orleans an advantage coming back in the playoffs?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

This game does look to be a NFCCG Preview though. If Seattle wins the MNF game, would that give New Orleans an advantage coming back in the playoffs?

I don't think much of any. HFA is gold to these two teams.

The Saints did beat Seattle in NO in 2010 before losing to them later though. But again, that was home & home.

 

[mad sweeney]

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When the going gets dumb, the dumb get going. Drink up Breesy!

 

[mad sweeney]

Says the blind Shaun Alexander defender.

I actually have no idea what you're talking about

Of course you don't sweetheart.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Saints are built to play indoors or in nice weather, No way the win in Seattle especially in November

I have heard this before and sure they do play well indoors in their home dome however, they have played strong games outside in Chicago, New England and a not so fantastic finish against the Jets. Heres the deal and it really has more to do with the interior line than the environment the team plays in. If New Orleans gets beat on the offensive and defensive line its over in Seattle. The Cowboys and Bills came in to the Dome and were running the rock pretty decent but the score got away from them because their defenses could not contain the Saints offense so that took them out of their game plan. I think Seattle does this very well to high tempo teams but then Drew Brees is able to audible with the best of them when he recognizes defenses. The Saints seem to be finding a running game the last two games as well. Will the Seahawks rattle Brees or will he do good enough like he did against the 49ers? The 49ers played a heck of a defensive football game and got some sweet take aways early and Brees managed to overcome it but barely. On the other side of the ball I was quite surprised that we stopped the run as good as we did with Gore and the 49ers ground game. We could see a similar scheme against the Seahawks with someone spying Russell Wilson's every move. I don't think this will be as successful as it was against San Francisco because Percy Harvin actually gives them that elusive dump off weapon that can break this kind of defensive set. Its certainly going to be a chess match on both sides of the ball. Neither of these teams got to their present records for no reason and it will be one of the better games this year IMO.

I was shocked to learn that the Saints are top 3 in offense and defense as follows while playing a pretty tough schedule.

According to total yards stats, here are your Top 5 Offenses and Defenses:

Defense:

1) Houston (O Rank: 10)

2) Carolina (O Rank: 22)

3) New Orleans (O Rank: 3)

4) Cleveland (O Rank: 25)

5) Seattle (O Rank: 9)

Offense:

1) Denver (D Rank: 22)

2) Philadelphia (D Rank: 32)

3) New Orleans (D Rank: 3)

4) Green Bay (D Rank: 17)

5) Detroit (D Rank: 24)

 

[Hooper31]

I think Seattle does this very well to high tempo teams but then Drew Brees is able to audible with the best of them when he recognizes defenses.

I don't disagree with you, but teams don't get to audible in Seattle due to the noise. I'm sure you get to witness the same thing in your dome. In Seattle its a point of pride now. They don't let up all game long. Some home crowds get loud now and then depending on down and distance. In Seattle its every offensive snap.

 

[cacksman]

Brees 2013 Passer Rating:

Home Games = 122.2 (19TD/3INT)
Road Games = 84.6 (7TD/5INT)

Cheers to MNF and hopefully the NFCCG being played in Seattle!

 

[Breesisdaman]

I think Seattle does this very well to high tempo teams but then Drew Brees is able to audible with the best of them when he recognizes defenses.

I don't disagree with you, but teams don't get to audible in Seattle due to the noise. I'm sure you get to witness the same thing in your dome. In Seattle its a point of pride now. They don't let up all game long. Some home crowds get loud now and then depending on down and distance. In Seattle its every offensive snap.

That will be a challenge no doubt. I am sure there will be some timeouts wasted over the noise. They at least know what they are in store for with the crowd noise and should prepare as good as any team can for it. They did score fairly well before there but that was a different defense you had then (same crowd noise though).

 

[proninja]

I'm just glad they are going to play the game so we don't have to settle it with a bunch of fat middle aged white guys arguing on the internet.

 

[ImTheScientist]

According to football outsiders dvoa ratings the saints are not even the best team in their own division.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2013/week-11-dvoa-ratings

 

[Gadabout]

According to football outsiders dvoa ratings the saints are not even the best team in their own division.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2013/week-11-dvoa-ratings

It seems like the game would be better if they would just go by something simple, like a win/loss column.

 

[ImTheScientist]

According to football outsiders dvoa ratings the saints are not even the best team in their own division.http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2013/week-11-dvoa-ratings

It seems like the game would be better if they would just go by something simple, like a win/loss column.

Sorry the data doesn't agree with your opinion on your team.

 

[valhallan]

According to football outsiders dvoa ratings the saints are not even the best team in their own division.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2013/week-11-dvoa-ratings

Damn. It's over, boys. Pack it up.

 

[Gadabout]

According to football outsiders dvoa ratings the saints are not even the best team in their own division.http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2013/week-11-dvoa-ratings

It seems like the game would be better if they would just go by something simple, like a win/loss column.

Sorry the data doesn't agree with your opinion on your team.

You're a special one, aintcha?

 

[ImTheScientist]

According to football outsiders dvoa ratings the saints are not even the best team in their own division.http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2013/week-11-dvoa-ratings

It seems like the game would be better if they would just go by something simple, like a win/loss column.

Sorry the data doesn't agree with your opinion on your team.

You're a special one, aintcha?

"Aintcha" .... I think I saw a guy on that show swamp men say that once. I think it translated as "I really have nothing to say, the data is the data".

 

[Gadabout]

According to football outsiders dvoa ratings the saints are not even the best team in their own division.http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2013/week-11-dvoa-ratings

It seems like the game would be better if they would just go by something simple, like a win/loss column.

Sorry the data doesn't agree with your opinion on your team.

You're a special one, aintcha?

"Aintcha" .... I think I saw a guy on that show swamp men say that once. I think it translated as "I really have nothing to say, the data is the data".

I think I just found the most adorable poster on this site.

 

[PainTrain]

Brees 2013 Passer Rating:

Home Games = 122.2 (19TD/3INT)

Road Games = 84.6 (7TD/5INT)

Cheers to MNF and hopefully the NFCCG being played in Seattle!

I kinda thought you were hiding something by not posting these numbers for Wilson, so for comparison, here they are:Russel Wilson 2013 passer rating

Home: 107.4 (9 TD / 4 INT)

Away: 103.5 (10 TD/ 2 INT)

pretty consistent, especially given the old "can't play on the road" thing.

Edited to add TD/INT

 

[tommyGunZ]

Flying up to Seattle to see this tilt live and experience the 12th man. So ####### pumped.

Go Hawks!

 

[SproutDaddy]

According to football outsiders dvoa ratings the saints are not even the best team in their own division.http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2013/week-11-dvoa-ratings

It seems like the game would be better if they would just go by something simple, like a win/loss column.

Sorry the data doesn't agree with your opinion on your team.

You can't be serious with this ####?

 

[valhallan]

Flying up to Seattle to see this tilt live and experience the 12th man. So ####### pumped.

Go Hawks!

I thought you were a Chargers fan?

 

[PainTrain]

Okay, so this home/away QB comparison is intriguing to me. Let's investigate...

As it relates to this thread, let's compare Brees's 4 games on the road this year to Wilson's 5 games at home. (Rankings will exculde non-QBs with passing attempts)

Completions

Brees (road): 102/168, 25.5/game (#7) 60.7% (#14)

Wilson (home): 77/115, 15.4/game (#40), 67.5% (#7)

Net passing yards per game

Brees (road): 293.7/game (#5), 7.3/attempt (#17)

Wilson (home): 201.0/game (#27), 8.75/attempt (#3)

Touchdowns

Brees (road): 7 (#13), 1.75/game (#9), 0.042/attempt (#21)

Wilson (home): 9 (#7), 1.8/game (#13), 0.08/attempt (#4)

Interceptions

Brees (road): 5, 1.25/game, 0.030/attempt

Wilson (home): 4, 0.8/game, 0.035/attempt

So Brees throws a lot more, about 10 more completions per road game than Wilson per home game, but is 6.8% less accurate.

Interestingly, Wilson has still thrown more touchdowns per game at home than Brees on the road, and Brees throws 0.95 more interceptions per road game than Wilson at home. I guess we can make a stat for that, (though I'm certain one probably exists). TD/game : INT/game, let's call it TI/g:

Brees (road) TI/g: 1.4

Wilson (home) TI/g: 2.25

Of course the modifier for how the passing game functions here is the defense, so let's look at some Seahawks home passing defense vs. Saints road passing defense numbers.

Completion percentage

New Orleans D (road): 16.8/29.5 56.78 (#2)

Seattle D (home): 16.8/30.8 54.55% (#3)

Pass yards per game, Pass yards per attempt

New Orleans D (road): 207ypg (#5), 7.0ypa (#16)

Seattle D (home): 165.4ypg (#2), 5.4ypa (#2)

Pass TD/INT per game

New Orleans D (road): 1.0 (#3) / 0.5 (#26)

Seattle D (home): 1.0 (#8) / 2.0 (#1)

Passer Rating

New Orleans D (road): 85.1 (#10)

Seattle D (home): 55.9 (#1)

So it looks like the devil is in the details. You don't have to throw against New Orleans Defense when they are on the road much to be efficient. They give up considerably more yards per attempt than their yards per game suggests, and Wilson is #3 in the league for yards per attempt at home, suggesting this is a much better matchup for him than people think. Additionally, they haven't been good at intercepting the ball, and Wilson rarely throws them at home anyway. Brees throws a lot of passes, which is ideal for Seattle's propensity for intercepting the ball, especially at home. Seattle has been so much better than the rest of the NFL at intercepting the ball at home, their interception per attempt percentage of 6.49% is a full 37% higher than the next best team (#2 Chicago, 4.74%). Only 2 teams in the last 10 seasons (as far back as I can see) have been that good. For comparison, on the road, New Orleans intercepts just 1.69% of passes attempted, the 8th worst in the league.

On paper, this passing matchup looks to favor the Seahawks much more than anyone will be bold enough to recognize. Where Wilson is strong (yards, TDs, INTs per attempt), New Orleans' defense has been vulnerable on the road. Where Brees appears to be strong (sustained passing attack) is precisely where the Seahawks D has appeared to feast at home. The sample size may still be too small, but New Orleans will need to play better against the Seahawks on the road than they have played against the teams they've faced outside of New Orleans thus far to overturn what that sample foretells.

(ETA: number of games played)

 

[valhallan]

I pointed out earlier that the Seahawks have faced awful offenses at home. Tennessee was the highest ranked at 21. The rest were 4 of the bottom 7 in the league. I find it hard to place much emphasis on those numbers.

I don't have any excuses for Brees. The road numbers have never lived up to the home numbers. (Edit: though, they're plenty good enough to win)

Wilson is largely irrelevant in my view. He'll play well and the Seahawks will score. The important matchup is on the other side of the ball.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Brees had one of those head scratching picks last game against the 49ers when he was trying to throw the ball over the defenders head. That has happened to him more than once in his tenure I sure hope he takes stock of the results at some point and plays within himself. He doesn't have to be super human all game long in order for the Saints to win. Against teams like Seattle this is especially important because they feast off of the turnover.

 

[Gadabout]

Brees had one of those head scratching picks last game against the 49ers when he was trying to throw the ball over the defenders head. That has happened to him more than once in his tenure I sure hope he takes stock of the results at some point and plays within himself. He doesn't have to be super human all game long in order for the Saints to win. Against teams like Seattle this is especially important because they feast off of the turnover.

I was talking about this just yesterday with a friend. Two to three times a year he'll throw one of those picks, ones that make some of Favre's worst seem cautious. Those aren't the kind of throws future Hall of Famers make but we as fans come to expect them every now and then. They seemingly happen when he's trying to go for too much finesse.

 

[Doug B]

Brees had one of those head scratching picks last game against the 49ers when he was trying to throw the ball over the defenders head. That has happened to him more than once in his tenure I sure hope he takes stock of the results at some point and plays within himself. He doesn't have to be super human all game long in order for the Saints to win. Against teams like Seattle this is especially important because they feast off of the turnover.

That one didn't bother me that much -- if Brees gets 12 inches more loft on it, it's a completion and potentially a huge play. Situationally, it sucked ... but I want Brees to feel free to take those gambles from time to time.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Might have cost us the game though, wasn't there another pick like this earlier in the season that did cost us? my memory is fading.

 

[ImTheScientist]

ITT: Seahawk fans brining legit arguments based on facts/statistics. Saint fans brining nothing but irrational arguments trying to justify their existance in the conversation.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Might have cost us the game though, wasn't there another pick like this earlier in the season that did cost us? my memory is fading.

I reviewed the two loses, the two picks he had against the Jets were really not bad throws and was more on the receiver defender end of things than on Brees. So this one against the 49ers is the only one I would qualify as a real "head scratcher" . He has had uglier seasons than this one with those however.

 

[biju]

ITT: Seahawk fans brining legit arguments based on facts/statistics. Saint fans brining nothing but irrational arguments trying to justify their existance in the conversation.

I really don't understand why you need to do this in your life. Do you really have nothing better to do? I wouldn't care if you were just making yourself look like a jackass but you're kind of making us all look bad.

If we think we're the better team we can probably just shut up about it and watch the game unfold. It's usually the folks talking who need to justify their position on who will win. I'm sure the Saints will be considered underdogs so why don't we leave it at that for now.

 

[Gadabout]

ITT: Seahawk fans brining legit arguments based on facts/statistics. Saint fans brining nothing but irrational arguments trying to justify their existance in the conversation.

I really don't understand why you need to do this in your life. Do you really have nothing better to do? I wouldn't care if you were just making yourself look like a jackass but you're kind of making us all look bad.

If we think we're the better team we can probably just shut up about it and watch the game unfold. It's usually the folks talking who need to justify their position on who will win. I'm sure the Saints will be considered underdogs so why don't we leave it at that for now.

He just needs a hug. I think he's cute, in a pinch-his-cheeks kind of way.

HesMyScientist

 

[PainTrain]

In his 4 games on the road so far, Brees has thrown 1 INT twice and 2 INT twice. As my earlier post indicates, that rate per attempt is good--and slightly better than Wilson at home. It's his total attempts that benefit the Seahawks. Seahawks opponents don't throw much at home, 30.8, #4 fewest attempts per game (#10 if you want away games too). They still get their picks, and at a blistering rate. They are a very physical team, so more plays would be more likely to wear down opponents and improve this number than reduce it.

Brees has attempted 42.0 passes per game on the road (#5 most), 40.6 passes per game overall (#3 most). He is a very good passer, but given how efficient the Seahawks defense is per attempt, and how relatively modest (not bad) Brees has been per attempt in all passing categories on the road thus far, there is reason to think he will have to elevate his road performance in this game, at one of the most difficult places to throw to be successful. A typical Brees night favors the Seahawks D, so he'll have to do better than he has against lesser defensive units.

 

[biju]

ITT: Seahawk fans brining legit arguments based on facts/statistics. Saint fans brining nothing but irrational arguments trying to justify their existance in the conversation.

I really don't understand why you need to do this in your life. Do you really have nothing better to do? I wouldn't care if you were just making yourself look like a jackass but you're kind of making us all look bad.

If we think we're the better team we can probably just shut up about it and watch the game unfold. It's usually the folks talking who need to justify their position on who will win. I'm sure the Saints will be considered underdogs so why don't we leave it at that for now.

He just needs a hug. I think he's cute, in a pinch-his-cheeks kind of way.

HesMyScientist

Just to be clear, if you think this is going to stop him or shame him into not responding you're very wrong. The best bet is to just stop responding entirely.

 

[Doug B]

I reviewed the two loses, the two picks he had against the Jets were really not bad throws and was more on the receiver defender end of things than on Brees. So this one against the 49ers is the only one I would qualify as a real "head scratcher" . He has had uglier seasons than this one with those however.

Don't have time to look now, but Brees had an especially ugly pick-6 a few years back at TB. He's had a few more here and there, as you said.

Gotta add, though, regarding the 49ers pick last Sunday. That LB made a pretty herculean play ... Brees didn't exactly hit him in the numbers I think 99 times out of a 100, the worst result is that the defender gets a fingernail on the ball and it falls incomplete.

 

[Gadabout]

ITT: Seahawk fans brining legit arguments based on facts/statistics. Saint fans brining nothing but irrational arguments trying to justify their existance in the conversation.

I really don't understand why you need to do this in your life. Do you really have nothing better to do? I wouldn't care if you were just making yourself look like a jackass but you're kind of making us all look bad.

If we think we're the better team we can probably just shut up about it and watch the game unfold. It's usually the folks talking who need to justify their position on who will win. I'm sure the Saints will be considered underdogs so why don't we leave it at that for now.

He just needs a hug. I think he's cute, in a pinch-his-cheeks kind of way.

HesMyScientist

Just to be clear, if you think this is going to stop him or shame him into not responding you're very wrong. The best bet is to just stop responding entirely.

It's only 1's and 0's. Certainly everybody has bigger problems.

 

[ImTheScientist]

It's only 1's and 0's. Certainly everybody has bigger problems.

Not to guys like biju...... E-reputation is VERY important. So important that he follows around a fellow fan and comments on all his posts even though he gives others the advice to ignore. Go figure.

Im hoping for rain on MNF.

 

[biju]

It's only 1's and 0's. Certainly everybody has bigger problems.

Not to guys like biju...... E-reputation is VERY important. So important that he follows around a fellow fan and comments on all his posts even though he gives others the advice to ignore. Go figure.

Im hoping for rain on MNF.

No, I like to have a good discussion about football and the Seahawks. I can't do that right now because you're polluting every thread with your babble and people are so anti-Seahawks there is no discussion.

I'm sure you're having the fun you can have, but not everyone finds that fun and it's kind of ruining it for other people. The fact that you don't see that or don't care is what angers other Seahawks fans and makes them wish you would simply leave.

If everyone just stopped responding to you your fun would end and you'd find somewhere else to blather on.

 

[ImTheScientist]

It's only 1's and 0's. Certainly everybody has bigger problems.

Not to guys like biju...... E-reputation is VERY important. So important that he follows around a fellow fan and comments on all his posts even though he gives others the advice to ignore. Go figure.

Im hoping for rain on MNF.

No, I like to have a good discussion about football and the Seahawks. I can't do that right now because you're polluting every thread with your babble and people are so anti-Seahawks there is no discussion.

I'm sure you're having the fun you can have, but not everyone finds that fun and it's kind of ruining it for other people. The fact that you don't see that or don't care is what angers other Seahawks fans and makes them wish you would simply leave.

If everyone just stopped responding to you your fun would end and you'd find somewhere else to blather on.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2013/week-11-dvoa-ratings

I find it interesting FO DVOA suggests the saints are not even the best team in their division. They are ranked 4th, Seahawks currently 2nd.

Discuss.

 

[ImTheScientist]

How will the addition of Percy Harvin help the offense week 12? Who covers the slot for the Saints?

Discuss.