LeadoffMan
Footballguy
How do you guys handle draft day no shows?
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NO SHOWs at draft--how to handle? (1 Viewer)
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Insein
Footballguy
Ugh, always the worst. Last year we drafted best available for a guy in a random work league and he ended up winning the league. Another league the guy was doing it by phone and he lost the call after the 7th round. Did an auto-draft. He made it to the title game. Always a dicey situation.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Happened to us one year a while back. Each owner took turns drafting for that team and we found a replacement owner.
That team ended up winning that year. <_<
That team ended up winning that year. <_<
if you dont have a backup all you can do is skip his pick and during the season you have bye weeks or what we did was that wk u suppose to play the missing owner you played against the league average. I really hat the league average but what can u do i hate how grown men make a commitment to be somewhere and just doesn't show up that really sucks ###!
Huh? Seems like the other posters found much more reasonable solutions...
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
Was the no-show announced or called in at the last minute? If so, you choose a pre-draft list out of a hat (I am sure a bunch of guys will have some magazines with cheatsheets, etc.) and the commish or someone else drafts for said player off the list. If you have a fantasy draft spectator, you could go that route too, but I will warn, I was out of town for my draft last year (literally in the air the entire draft) and my backup (who the commish assigned) bailed last minute, I got a guy who had no clue what he was doing and I would have been better off with the cheatsheet/pre-draft selections (like I asked for originally).
If he/she never calls, you still need to draft a team to make things even unless you are in a total points league and at that rate, don't draft a team for them and they just miss out.
If he/she never calls, you still need to draft a team to make things even unless you are in a total points league and at that rate, don't draft a team for them and they just miss out.
rizzler
Footballguy
comma. period.
Chaka
Footballguy
Using a ghost team is not unusual. The ghost gets the average score of the teams for the week (excluding the team the ghost is playing). It is not difficult to configure.However instead of a ghost team, or drafting for a no-show, I would consider switching to an All-Play format. With All-Play if someone is a no-show you can still proceed without them because there is no H2H schedule to reformat at the last minute.
Having any other owner, or composite of owners, draft for a no-show is not a good idea IMO.
Dope
Footballguy
I am running 4 drafts at work.
The draft day no-show is a nightmare situation.
We had a guy last season get last-minute tickets for the Jets-Eagles at the Meadowlands (Mike Vick's 1st appearance in NY)
We tried to have him draft via phone but that only lasted until the 8th round or so.
The rest of his draft we used a magazine and just went in order according to that book.
He had the #1 pick overall and didn't come close to the playoffs.
The draft day no-show is a nightmare situation.
We had a guy last season get last-minute tickets for the Jets-Eagles at the Meadowlands (Mike Vick's 1st appearance in NY)
We tried to have him draft via phone but that only lasted until the 8th round or so.
The rest of his draft we used a magazine and just went in order according to that book.
He had the #1 pick overall and didn't come close to the playoffs.
the branded hand
Footballguy
We had one years ago (PPR league) and implemented a policy that if someone did not show for the draft their team would be drafted from a non-PPR cheatsheet (ESPN, Fantasy Index, etc). Basically, it handicaps their selections. Finding/creating a sheet for handicapping might be a little tricky, but it will motivate people who do not want to lose. If that doesn't motivate someone to get their butts to the draft, then find a new league manager. We've had perfect attendance ever since.
Insein
Footballguy
Basically, you have to have all the other owners decide upon a standard ADP site to use (CBS, ESPN, Fox, FFC, etc) and go with that to the letter so there are no arguments. If itsays for him to draft a guy who's 5th on his teams depth chart so be it. If it says to take a 3rd TE or a 2nd kicker, so be it. Should have shown to the draft. The only drawback is guys who are there losing out on sleepers due to the order. At least they can look and know when they have to take a guy before the auto pick comes.
kylechoffman
Footballguy
We use espn and they have predraft lists for live drafts for all users (which is editable). We have had owners missing the last two years so we would let the computer make a selection for the absent owners for the most part. ESPN is lacking in the logic department, because it will always take the player at the top of the board. This presents issues if say an vacant team already had two TEs and a TE was at the top, it would draft the TE. So intervention was required sometimes. In these situations, my leagues would pause the draft and in the chat window the commish would offer up three players for selection and let the other owners voice who the vacant team should select. Keeps it fair and keeps the team competitive. In two years, these teams have always finished middle of the pack.
Yahoo has an option of picking positions to draft by round but that has its issues as well.
Yahoo has an option of picking positions to draft by round but that has its issues as well.
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rizzler
Footballguy
it's simple.they're out
Go DC Yourself
Footballguy
http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2010/aavSeems to me what you do is driven by the circumstances. New guy or guy whose proven unreliable before? One less team, use league average instead of a bye as discussed. Guy you know who has had something come up, and will manage the team? Figure out a way to draft a team for him: ADP, etc.
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2 years ago a guy pulled a no show and got ADP from the Yahoo list. His team did ok, making the playoffs. Last year we had a 6:00 draft and at 5:30 the same guy said he was on the way. By 6:30 he wasn't there and wouldn't answer the phone. At 7:00 we called the wife and he was in the yard working. We gave him ADP less 20 spots. His team was bad but whose fault is that? If you give notice before the draft or find someone to go for you it's one thing but just to say you will be there and then decide you don't want to show up is bad.
Not that I've ever done this before, but I'd guess that you'd use Average Auction Values instead. http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2010/aavAnd the absent owner would bid that value (or the max amount of money they have left) for each player nominated.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
ADP +1 round. Draft starts in the first, draft via ADP charts starting in round 2. so pick 1.01 would be 2.01 etc. There's gotta be some penalty without weakening the team to the point of really having only 11 teams and an auto win. I am assuming that you mean the guy missed the draft but is still around to manage his team for the season. A good manager can still field a strong team based on above.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
See 2 posts up.Okay, now imagine it's an auction league.
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glock
"Don't grumble, give a whistle!"
See 2 posts up.Okay, now imagine it's an auction league.
That IS about all you can do...
It also depends on if you anticipate having any post-draft options...meaning a replacement manager. If I knew we could find a new manager after the draft, I'd be more apt to draft for the team in a way that might keep it competitive for the next guy.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
We have an owner that has been a problem for the past couple of years. He always made it to the draft but never responds to emails or phone calls during the season, often starts players on bye weeks, doesn't make our midseason meeting, etc.
He is a friend to us all so we just let it go. Every year for the last 10+ years our draft has been the Sunday of Labor Day weekend. This year he told his best friend in the league that he was planning on going to the beach that weekend and he would have his 19 year old son draft for him.
I told him that if he can't make the draft he is out. We're a bunch of men in our 40s-50s and don't really want a teenager in the league, especially considering we have a 3 guys our age that want in the league. I haven't heard back from this guy but it wouldn't surprise me if he ended up blowing us off at the last minute. If that happens then we'll probably just draft a Ghost Team to make an even 12 teams.
He is a friend to us all so we just let it go. Every year for the last 10+ years our draft has been the Sunday of Labor Day weekend. This year he told his best friend in the league that he was planning on going to the beach that weekend and he would have his 19 year old son draft for him.
I told him that if he can't make the draft he is out. We're a bunch of men in our 40s-50s and don't really want a teenager in the league, especially considering we have a 3 guys our age that want in the league. I haven't heard back from this guy but it wouldn't surprise me if he ended up blowing us off at the last minute. If that happens then we'll probably just draft a Ghost Team to make an even 12 teams.
Insein
Footballguy
In your situation, I would probably just let him know through email or voice mail that he's out and your moving on. Its not just the draft thats a problem from him. Its the whole season. If you have willing members waiting to join, it seems like a no brainer. I doubt it hurts the friendship too much because he didn't take it very seriously anyway.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
We asked him last year that if he really wasn't into it that we had others wanting in. He said that he wanted to stay in but his team got off to a bad start and he pretty much lost interest. He seemed like he was into it in our summer meeting and even proposed a couple rule changes, including upping the franchise fee $25. Now two weeks later he isn't sure he can make the draft.
I am going to talk to his best friend tonight (I can never get a hold of him directly) and see if he knows what he is going to do. If not maybe we should just give him the boot although it sucks because aside from being a lousy fantasy football team owner he is a decent guy.
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rizzler
Footballguy
bottom line: friends dont screw over friends.
if he isnt pulling weight in a league you guys deem competitive; boot him. We are a core of 14 guys who kno eachother well, and would have no problem getting a quick resolution to a problem such as this. play or leave. simple.
If a guy loses interest cuz his team sucks... he'd be gone the next season, bottom line.
we play for good money and extreme bragging rights. everyone is very into it. if not, we have a few on the backburner dying to get in
if he isnt pulling weight in a league you guys deem competitive; boot him. We are a core of 14 guys who kno eachother well, and would have no problem getting a quick resolution to a problem such as this. play or leave. simple.
If a guy loses interest cuz his team sucks... he'd be gone the next season, bottom line.
we play for good money and extreme bragging rights. everyone is very into it. if not, we have a few on the backburner dying to get in
Insein
Footballguy
We started our main league in 2002. We've had about 5 guys who were core friends at the time move on over the years. We have a solid group of 10 guys that we've had for 5 years now. You just have to weed out the slackers and let them know that we are moving on without you if you can't commit.We asked him last year that if he really wasn't into it that we had others wanting in. He said that he wanted to stay in but his team got off to a bad start and he pretty much lost interest. He seemed like he was into it in our summer meeting and even proposed a couple rule changes, including upping the franchise fee $25. Now two weeks later he isn't sure he can make the draft.I am going to talk to his best friend tonight (I can never get a hold of him directly) and see if he knows what he is going to do. If not maybe we should just give him the boot although it sucks because aside from being a lousy fantasy football team owner he is a decent guy.
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Mr.Underhill
Footballguy
No show for a draft is a capital crime in my book. Unless the guy has a pretty compelling excuse for missing and genuinely wants to stay in, a no-show owner gets a black ball from me. We'd be calling buddies to find a replacement owner. So there'd be no auto-drafting a team for that guy.
But rather than changing your head to head league into an all-play league, I think auto-drafting a team by a best-available ranking is the way to go. If I wanted to play in an all-play format, I'd join one. You then either give the auto-drafted team to a new owner to manage or run it as a ghost team.
So what if a ghost team wins the championship? Just give everyone back their entry fee. If you aren't the one winning it, does it matter whether your beer buddy Frank or the collective minds at Footballguys.com via cheatsheet put the team together that did? If a sheet of paper can outdraft me, without having the benefit of seeing the draft unfold and adjusting to it or working fre agency and trades, then so be it. I'd take it as a wakeup call that I might not be doing all I can to win.
I was once faced with this situation and thought we should draft a team using the "overall" ranking on draft dominator. We ended up lucking into a last minute replacment owner so we didn't have to try it. But I was going to assign a number of roster spots to each position and just fill them up as the overall ranking dictated. When a position was "full" on the roster, I'd just take the next highest ranked player at a position that wasn't full.
Given some of the draft strategies I've seen employed over the years, this method can't draft a worse team than some I've seen drafted by live owners. And if it does a better job drafting than I can, I should be using that method for my team and will know to do that next year.
But rather than changing your head to head league into an all-play league, I think auto-drafting a team by a best-available ranking is the way to go. If I wanted to play in an all-play format, I'd join one. You then either give the auto-drafted team to a new owner to manage or run it as a ghost team.
So what if a ghost team wins the championship? Just give everyone back their entry fee. If you aren't the one winning it, does it matter whether your beer buddy Frank or the collective minds at Footballguys.com via cheatsheet put the team together that did? If a sheet of paper can outdraft me, without having the benefit of seeing the draft unfold and adjusting to it or working fre agency and trades, then so be it. I'd take it as a wakeup call that I might not be doing all I can to win.
I was once faced with this situation and thought we should draft a team using the "overall" ranking on draft dominator. We ended up lucking into a last minute replacment owner so we didn't have to try it. But I was going to assign a number of roster spots to each position and just fill them up as the overall ranking dictated. When a position was "full" on the roster, I'd just take the next highest ranked player at a position that wasn't full.
Given some of the draft strategies I've seen employed over the years, this method can't draft a worse team than some I've seen drafted by live owners. And if it does a better job drafting than I can, I should be using that method for my team and will know to do that next year.
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Football Critic
Footballguy
I'm surprised you guys let any no show stay in the league, no show means you quit in my eyes. Draft days are all set well in advance, no one should ever miss unless in an emergency...and you should never even miss do to work, maybe move up time or something, but never miss a draft.
When draft day is set, if you say your in, be a honorable person and keep your word.
Sensitive subject here, lol
When draft day is set, if you say your in, be a honorable person and keep your word.
Sensitive subject here, lol
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I agree 100%, especially since our draft day is ALWAYS the same, every year: the Sunday of Labor Day weekend. Unless there is an emergency then there is no excuse -- there are 364 other days in the year to go to the beach. So he either commits to being there or he will be out -- it should be interesting to see which he decides.
CravenM
Footballguy
Ditto - ours is the Saturday before Labor every year, going on 11 years now. With a calendar, I could tell you when our draft is going to be in 2019.
delusional
Footballguy
have a friend on stand by. that is what my league does, i am the stand by guy
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
That's the reason he gave for skipping the draft?!?!?Jesus. If you're going to skip out, at least have something better to do...
GregR_2
Footballguy
Most of what I was going to suggest has been said already. Use a specific list, have owners take turns drafting for him (and no BS picks), or just don't draft that team and use the "play league average" feature for weeks teams play that team.
One other option... if you have a friend who is into FF, is not in your league, and knows your other owners, invite him along to hang out and drink and heckle everyone's picks. If you need someone to fill in then, he can take over that team. I've done this for a friend's league several times over the years. Most of the time if they know they can't make it they give me rankings and maybe some preferences on order I fill positions... and otherwise and leave it to me to use common sense to not take players rounds early.
One other option... if you have a friend who is into FF, is not in your league, and knows your other owners, invite him along to hang out and drink and heckle everyone's picks. If you need someone to fill in then, he can take over that team. I've done this for a friend's league several times over the years. Most of the time if they know they can't make it they give me rankings and maybe some preferences on order I fill positions... and otherwise and leave it to me to use common sense to not take players rounds early.
whitem0nkey
Footballguy
I collect the fee 2 weeks before the draft.
If you pay but do not show up to the draft this is how it will be handled.
You will have these specific positions taken per round.
round 1 - RB1
round 2 - QB1
round 3 - WR1
round 4 - RB2
round 5 - WR2
round 6 - TE1
round 7 - WR3
round 8 - RB3
round 9 - QB2
round 10 - WR4
round 11 - TE2
round 1 2 - DEF1
round 13 - RB4
round 1 4 - K1
round 15 - WR5
round 1 6 - DEF2
We will use the Yahoo free rankings and draft the "best" player based on the above positions.
This is regardless of injury, so if he is hurt but on the list he is drafted.
If you pay but do not show up to the draft this is how it will be handled.
You will have these specific positions taken per round.
round 1 - RB1
round 2 - QB1
round 3 - WR1
round 4 - RB2
round 5 - WR2
round 6 - TE1
round 7 - WR3
round 8 - RB3
round 9 - QB2
round 10 - WR4
round 11 - TE2
round 1 2 - DEF1
round 13 - RB4
round 1 4 - K1
round 15 - WR5
round 1 6 - DEF2
We will use the Yahoo free rankings and draft the "best" player based on the above positions.
This is regardless of injury, so if he is hurt but on the list he is drafted.
Northbound Train
Footballguy
Show up at his house and punch em in his face in front his wife and kids
Balance
Footballguy
I can think of just a few things a grown man might prioritize over a fantasy football draft.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
My mind is boggled by some people's inability to make plans.True story:
(6 weeks ago)
Commish: "Our draft will be Sunday the 15th at 4:00 p.m."
Team 6 Owner: "I'll be there."
(3 days ago)
Team 6 Owner: "I can't make it, I have choir practice every Sunday at 5:00 p.m. and it is way over on the other side of town."
Commish: "Every Sunday? So you knew that 6 weeks ago?"
Team 6 Owner: "Yeah"
Commish: "So why did you say you would be at the draft?"
Team 6 Owner: "Because the draft is at 4:00 and choir practice is at 5:00 and those are two completely different times of day so my tiny brain tells me that I can attend both of them because I never ever think about the duration of events nor do I allow for travel time when I plan things."
Commish: "*sigh*"
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
phone draft count?
