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[nerangers]

This surprised me a little. Would hate to lose Adam.February 23, 2006No Pats tagThe deadline has passed for NFL teams to designate a franchise or transition player, and the Patriots are not using the designation.That means kicker Adam Vinatieri, a possible target to get a tag, could become a free agent as of March 3.

Vinatieri is considered one of the best clutch kickers in NFL history, with two game-winning field goals in the final minute of Super Bowls, two game-winners in the divisional playoff round and a record-tying five field goals in the 2003 AFC Championship game. His game-tying 45-yard kick in the 2001 AFC Championship game, in the heavy snow against the Raiders, is considered one of the greatest clutch field goals in league history.

 

[nerangers]

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by Paul Perillo, Patriots Football Weekly

Vinatieri was tagged with the franchise label last season and earned $2.51 million in 2005. As the highest paid player at his position, the 33-year-old kicker would have earned roughly $3.01 million (which is 120 percent of his previous salary) this season if New England tagged him again.

Evidently Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli felt that was too steep a price to pay for a kicker, even one as valuable as Vinatieri. With the pending labor agreement still not resolved, there has been speculation that teams will be less likely to use the tags in 2006 with cash and cap concerns weighing heavily into those decisions.

Vinatieri indicated during the season that there had been little progress made toward reaching a long-term agreement that would allow him to likely end his career in New England. With the safety of the franchise tag no longer present, perhaps the incentive to get a deal completed now exists.

 

[Mr. Vegas]

My insider says there pissed at Him for missing that kick in Denver.

There comment was 'Even Vandy could have made that one'.

 

[jgb95]

I really hope your kiddin'

That's just nonsense!!!!

 

[nerangers]

I really hope your kiddin'

That's just nonsense!!!!

It is a joke for sure. It is all about the Money...Adam was already the highest paid, and putting the tag on him would have been that much more. It is the same reason Givens was not tagged. The franchise tag numbers are simply too steep to be an option. Wide receivers this year will earn $6.172 million (franchise) and $5.160 million (transition).

 

[Boston]

It will be interesting to see what happens here. I really can't picture the Pats without Vinatieri but I'm sure they also have a ceiling on how much they're willing to pay him. If he gets on the open market I see him getting a deal that blows away anything any kicker has received. There's still a week until free agency so we'll see how this plays out.

 

[elcohiba]

His great-great grandfather is Felix Vinatieri, who served as General George Armstrong Custer's bandmaster. He is also a third cousin to the famous daredevil, Evel Knievel.

I was just trying to find his hometown or current residence and play that relocate angle. (South Dakota)

 

[BigRed]

Dear Mr Polian,

He won't be too cheap. We don't care. fn sign him. TIA

 

[trader jake]

i think he'll stay in beantown, but if damon can sign elsewhere (and the yankees at that)...adam vinatieri certainly can

 

[Sinrman]

"Vinatieri is considered one of the best clutch kickers in NFL history..."

No, he is THE best clutch kicker in NFL history. If there ever was a kicker that deserved to be in the Hall..............

 

[CalBear]

So that's the difference between missing two field goals in the Super Bowl and making the third, and missing the last field goal in the Super Bowl; the myth of Vinatieri's clutch kicking gets shattered. Now he'll go to another team, regress to the mean in clutch situations (making about 80%), and people will say "he lost it, he was never the same after that Super Bowl miss."

Statistical variation, that's all it is.

 

[mcjc4]

His great-great grandfather is Felix Vinatieri, who served as General George Armstrong Custer's bandmaster. He is also a third cousin to the famous daredevil, Evel Knievel.

I was just trying to find his hometown or current residence and play that relocate angle. (South Dakota)

He was a South Dakota State JackRabbit. Minneasota would be considered hometown angle.

 

[Jason Wood]

ESPN is reporting that Parcells is ready to make a heavy push for Vinatieri and it will likely come down to Dallas and New England.

 

[dickey moe]

ESPN is reporting that Parcells is ready to make a heavy push for Vinatieri and it will likely come down to Dallas and New England.

I hope Jones breaks the bank for him.

 

[Capybara]

New England coach Bill Belichick said the team didn't designate Vinatieri as a franchise player, resulting in a $3 million salary for the 2006 season, because it ''didn't feel like it was the right thing to do."

The Patriots have until March 3 to sign Vinatieri to a new deal. But negotiations have been almost nonexistent, and Belichick indicated he doesn't expect that to change because of the uncertainty surrounding the collective bargaining agreement between the players' union and the teams. ''I don't think you can do much of anything," Belichick said yesterday from the NFL Combine. ''I don't know what we're working with [financially]. Until that's defined, it seems like an exercise in futility. In a way, then, we've tried to put more of our time and energy into football and the draft, the known quantities, rather than work on contracts and you don't know what the system is going to be."

''If we don't have a deal done with him, he'll be a free agent," Belichick said. ''We've had players in free agency before and we'll have 'em again. So has everybody else. That's part of the system. We don't have a game for quite a while, so there's a lot of things that can happen. It might be sooner, it might be later, but we have to be ready when we go to training camp and we have to be ready when the season opens. And there'll be changes in training camp. It would be nice to get it all done now but, realistically, I don't think that can happen."

Vinatieri, 33, has been named the team's franchise player twice, including last year, when he was forced to take a one-year tender at $2.5 million. He was the highest-paid kicker in the league in 2003, and was the same after being franchised last year before new contracts for Arizona's Neil Rackers ($4.79 million) and Philadelphia's David Akers ($3.73 million) left him third on the base pay list. Had the Patriots made Vinatieri the franchise player this year, he would have received a 120 percent raise to $3 million.

''Every situation is independent," Belichick said. ''It takes two parties, or three to a point, to make a deal, and when that happens, we have one, and if it doesn't, we don't. That's just the normal course of negotiations. It's hard right now. I don't really know how . . . it's so hard to do a contract when you don't know what you're dealing with [with the CBA]. There've been a few done, but not many."

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[Texasmouth]

ESPN is reporting that Parcells is ready to make a heavy push for Vinatieri and it will likely come down to Dallas and New England.

I hope Jones breaks the bank for him.

Me too.

 

[The Fletch]

This surprised me a little. Would hate to lose Adam.

February 23, 2006

No Pats tag

The deadline has passed for NFL teams to designate a franchise or transition player, and the Patriots are not using the designation.

That means kicker Adam Vinatieri, a possible target to get a tag, could become a free agent as of March 3.

Vinatieri is considered one of the best clutch kickers in NFL history, with two game-winning field goals in the final minute of Super Bowls, two game-winners in the divisional playoff round and a record-tying five field goals in the 2003 AFC Championship game. His game-tying 45-yard kick in the 2001 AFC Championship game, in the heavy snow against the Raiders, is considered one of the greatest clutch field goals in league history.

Doesn't surprise me at all...Adam would have cost more than $3M this year...and yes, he's the best clutch kicker in history, but the costs must begin to outweigh the benefits at some level. Most teams would NOT pay that much for any kicker, especially when they're trying to fill other needs and stay under the cap.I would like to think that Adam would re-sign, but common sense tells there's going to be some GM who gets all wet about signing "the best clutch kicker ever" as a FA and hands him slightly more than the Pats are willing to pay.

 

[Bri]

Parcells has shown an interest in acquiring a K and ending his mess. It's not a leap to consider him a frontrunner in the Vinatieri sweepstakes.

However, as I said a few times, Vinatieri has strong business ties to the MA area and IMO it would take a considerably higher amount to land him. IE he'd take the Pats 3 mil over 4 from the Boys.

 

[djcolts]

Dear Mr Polian,

He won't be too cheap. We don't care. fn sign him. TIA

Come on - the Colts have the immortal Dave Rayner!

 

[Workhorse]

Anyone care to guess how many FGs over 40 yards Vinatieri made last season?

Ans: FOUR.

He'll always be a Patriot fan favorite but he might well be the most overrated Free Agent out there right now. Anything inside of 40 yards, there really isn't another kicker I'd rather have. However, I think he's lost a great deal of his value in kicking long ones these days.

 

[cstu]

Parcells has shown an interest in acquiring a K and ending his mess. It's not a leap to consider him a frontrunner in the Vinatieri sweepstakes.

However, as I said a few times, Vinatieri has strong business ties to the MA area and IMO it would take a considerably higher amount to land him. IE he'd take the Pats 3 mil over 4 from the Boys.

02/24 09:29 Cowboys: Vinatieri rumors begin

THE NEWS

Thursday's spree of transactions brought good and bad news to the Cowboys. On the negative side, they won't have a chance to sign right tackle Jeff Backus, who received the franchise tag from the Lions. On the positive end, kicker Adam Vinatieri did not get tagged. Rumors are already flying around on numerous sites about the long-time Patriot ending up in Dallas.

Our View

Vinatieri began his NFL career under the tutelage of Bill Parcells, and the Cowboys desperately want to sign a proven kicker. One plus one equals a good rumor. We expect the Cowboys to also look at Mike Vanderjagt and Ryan Longwell, both of whom are also unrestricted free agents.

 

[MLBrandow]

Buy Low Sell High.

This is why the Patriots will always be a good team while that staff is there.

I expect him in a Cowboys uniform.

 

[Traders2001]

Who cares . He is just a kicker .

I mean if you have to tag your kicker your in trouble.

 

[Dreamer]

Who cares . He is just a kicker .

I mean if you have to tag your kicker your in trouble.

You're not a Cowboy fan.

 

[BoulderBob]

Who cares . He is just a kicker .

I mean if you have to tag your kicker your in trouble.

If you think you have the best kicker in the game, it isn't a terrible move. Same goes for RB, TE, G, and C. If you let him test the market, he will likely find a deal that pays more than the average of the top at his position.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I know Dallas is supposedly thinking of singing him.

I'd be surprised at this move. They've historically signed kickers for the bare minimum. Even though I'd like to get a good player like Adam V., history proves otherwise for Dallas.

 

[nerangers]

Endorsements must play into staying...Ask Troy Brown.

You hate to see some of your favorite team icons go, but like someone mentioned, it is something the Pats do to manage the cap. How many other teams will pay over three Million for a Kicker?

 

[cstu]

Endorsements must play into staying...Ask Troy Brown.

You hate to see some of your favorite team icons go, but like someone mentioned, it is something the Pats do to manage the cap. How many other teams will pay over three Million for a Kicker?

If you have a bad kicking game, not finding $3M to sign the best kicker in the game is a mistake. Look at how many games are decided by a FG and tell me it's not a position worth paying the best in the game $3M for.

 

[Borat]

I can't believe some of the things I'm reading in here...

Dear Mr Polian,

He won't be too cheap. We don't care. fn sign him. TIA

Dear Mr. BigRed,Pioli (I think that's who you meant...) knows what he's doing. Let's let him make the call.

My insider says there pissed at Him for missing that kick in Denver.

There comment was 'Even Vandy could have made that one'.

Who is "they?"

i think he'll stay in beantown, but if damon can sign elsewhere (and the yankees at that)...adam vinatieri certainly can

I don't get this comparison. Vinatieri has done a lot more for the Patriots than Damon ever did for the Red Sox.

 

[Texasmouth]

I know Dallas is supposedly thinking of singing him.

I'd be surprised at this move. They've historically signed kickers for the bare minimum. Even though I'd like to get a good player like Adam V., history proves otherwise for Dallas.

Dallas has learned their lesson about going the cheap route on kickers. With a decent kicker last season, they could have possibly had 3 more wins. My guess is Vinateri stays in New England for less money than he could have received on the free agent markey just because he is a New England guy and he wants to stay there. The guy is an icon there now, best clutch kicker of all time in my book. I think the Pats will figure out a way to keep the guy.

I see Dallas signing Vandy any way.

 

[Mike Herman]

Regarding a kicker, Jerry Jones said the Cowboys will depart from their history and pursue a veteran in free agency because playing for Parcells might not be the best place for a rookie kicker. Jones, however, said pursuing top free agents such as Adam Vinatieri and Mike Vanderjagt is unlikely because of their big-money demands.

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[Serenity Now]

Who cares . He is just a kicker .

I mean if you have to tag your kicker your in trouble.

IIRC, the team promised Vinatieri that they would not use the tag on him again this year. So it doesn't really come as a surprise that they didn't.He's not a free agent yet. There's a few more days for them to work something out.

Traders2001 Posted Feb 24 2006, 05:06 PM

Who cares . He is just a kicker .

I mean if you have to tag your kicker your in trouble.

Yeah right.

 

[Pats20Rams17]

Adam Vinatieri was a hot topic at the scouting combine yesterday, with buzz centering on an unlikely potential suitor - the Green Bay Packers. Currently in negotiations with their own free agent kicker, Ryan Longwell, the Pack are rumored to be considering letting Longwell walk and making a run at Vinatieri, perhaps the best cold-weather kicker in history. Patriots spokesman Stacey James refused to confirm whether the Patriots are meeting with Vinatieri’s agent, Jonathan Hurst, citing club policy not to discuss ongoing negotiations. Hurst did not return calls. If the Patriots fail to sign him by Friday, he’s expected to have no shortage of suitors. The Dallas Cowboys could be in the mix, particularly since head coach Bill Parcells gave Vinatieri his start in 1996.

Add Green Bay to the list of suitors...

 

[Boston]

One thing to keep in mind here...

Being a kicker Vinatieri has never made the big bucks with the exception of 05. Kickers don't make big money as far as the NFL is concerned. If Vinatieri hits the open market he will get a deal that blows away anything ever given to that position. If money is his main concern than it would make a ton of sense for him to take offers. He will have an opportunity to really cash in here and as far as his family is concerned this could be the smartest route to travel.

I still see him staying with the Pats but I do believe the Pats will have a ceiling on paying a kicker. As well they should even if he's as good as AV. Yet, if they do lose him it would be near impossible to replace him so it's a tough predicament. Also, I'd hate to be the kicker to replace him because it will be a no win situation.

 

[20633]

One thing to keep in mind here...

Being a kicker Vinatieri has never made the big bucks with the exception of 05. Kickers don't make big money as far as the NFL is concerned. If Vinatieri hits the open market he will get a deal that blows away anything ever given to that position. If money is his main concern than it would make a ton of sense for him to take offers. He will have an opportunity to really cash in here and as far as his family is concerned this could be the smartest route to travel.

I still see him staying with the Pats but I do believe the Pats will have a ceiling on paying a kicker. As well they should even if he's as good as AV. Yet, if they do lose him it would be near impossible to replace him so it's a tough predicament. Also, I'd hate to be the kicker to replace him because it will be a no win situation.

Every team in the NFL has a ceiling on what they'll pay a kicker, that's why none of them make a whole lot to begin with. You really think AV is going to break that mold?He'll get a nice deal, but I doubt it would blow away anything given to that position. He'll probably get something similiar to what Akers received last season when the Eagles re-did his contract.

 

[Boston]

One thing to keep in mind here...

Being a kicker Vinatieri has never made the big bucks with the exception of 05.  Kickers don't make big money as far as the NFL is concerned.  If Vinatieri hits the open market he will get a deal that blows away anything ever given to that position.  If money is his main concern than it would make a ton of sense for him to take offers.  He will have an opportunity to really cash in here and as far as his family is concerned this could be the smartest route to travel.

I still see him staying with the Pats but I do believe the Pats will have a ceiling on paying a kicker.  As well they should even if he's as good as AV.  Yet, if they do lose him it would be near impossible to replace him so it's a tough predicament.  Also, I'd hate to be the kicker to replace him because it will be a no win situation.

Every team in the NFL has a ceiling on what they'll pay a kicker, that's why none of them make a whole lot to begin with. You really think AV is going to break that mold?He'll get a nice deal, but I doubt it would blow away anything given to that position. He'll probably get something similiar to what Akers received last season when the Eagles re-did his contract.

There is not a doubt in my mind that if AV isn't wearing a Patriot uniform next year he will have signed a deal that blows away any deal ever signed by a kicker. If he leaves the Pats it will not be over chump change.

 

[cstu]

One thing to keep in mind here...

Being a kicker Vinatieri has never made the big bucks with the exception of 05. Kickers don't make big money as far as the NFL is concerned. If Vinatieri hits the open market he will get a deal that blows away anything ever given to that position. If money is his main concern than it would make a ton of sense for him to take offers. He will have an opportunity to really cash in here and as far as his family is concerned this could be the smartest route to travel.

I still see him staying with the Pats but I do believe the Pats will have a ceiling on paying a kicker. As well they should even if he's as good as AV. Yet, if they do lose him it would be near impossible to replace him so it's a tough predicament. Also, I'd hate to be the kicker to replace him because it will be a no win situation.

Every team in the NFL has a ceiling on what they'll pay a kicker, that's why none of them make a whole lot to begin with. You really think AV is going to break that mold?He'll get a nice deal, but I doubt it would blow away anything given to that position. He'll probably get something similiar to what Akers received last season when the Eagles re-did his contract.

There's also the strategic advantage of taking away what is considered the Patriots' "ace in the hole". Any team getting Vinitieri gets an instant morale boost knowing that they have a big game player who comes through in clutch situations. That's worth giving him a record kicker contract.

 

[20633]

One thing to keep in mind here...

Being a kicker Vinatieri has never made the big bucks with the exception of 05.  Kickers don't make big money as far as the NFL is concerned.  If Vinatieri hits the open market he will get a deal that blows away anything ever given to that position.  If money is his main concern than it would make a ton of sense for him to take offers.  He will have an opportunity to really cash in here and as far as his family is concerned this could be the smartest route to travel.

I still see him staying with the Pats but I do believe the Pats will have a ceiling on paying a kicker.  As well they should even if he's as good as AV.  Yet, if they do lose him it would be near impossible to replace him so it's a tough predicament.  Also, I'd hate to be the kicker to replace him because it will be a no win situation.

Every team in the NFL has a ceiling on what they'll pay a kicker, that's why none of them make a whole lot to begin with. You really think AV is going to break that mold?He'll get a nice deal, but I doubt it would blow away anything given to that position. He'll probably get something similiar to what Akers received last season when the Eagles re-did his contract.

There is not a doubt in my mind that if AV isn't wearing a Patriot uniform next year he will have signed a deal that blows away any deal ever signed by a kicker. If he leaves the Pats it will not be over chump change.

I don't neccessarily disagree, but my guess is he'll remain with NE then.

 

[20633]

One thing to keep in mind here...

Being a kicker Vinatieri has never made the big bucks with the exception of 05.  Kickers don't make big money as far as the NFL is concerned.  If Vinatieri hits the open market he will get a deal that blows away anything ever given to that position.  If money is his main concern than it would make a ton of sense for him to take offers.  He will have an opportunity to really cash in here and as far as his family is concerned this could be the smartest route to travel.

I still see him staying with the Pats but I do believe the Pats will have a ceiling on paying a kicker.  As well they should even if he's as good as AV.  Yet, if they do lose him it would be near impossible to replace him so it's a tough predicament.  Also, I'd hate to be the kicker to replace him because it will be a no win situation.

Every team in the NFL has a ceiling on what they'll pay a kicker, that's why none of them make a whole lot to begin with. You really think AV is going to break that mold?He'll get a nice deal, but I doubt it would blow away anything given to that position. He'll probably get something similiar to what Akers received last season when the Eagles re-did his contract.

There's also the strategic advantage of taking away what is considered the Patriots' "ace in the hole". Any team getting Vinitieri gets an instant morale boost knowing that they have a big game player who comes through in clutch situations. That's worth giving him a record kicker contract.

I think the only teams that would consider that strategy are playoff bound AFC teams. And out of those it would be limited to the ones that don't have a kicker already locked up.As for the morale boost Vinatieri would provide - let's not get carried away, he's still just kicker.

 

[GiantsRule]

I can't believe some of the things I'm reading in here...

Dear Mr Polian,

He won't be too cheap.  We don't care.  fn sign him.  TIA

Dear Mr. BigRed,Pioli (I think that's who you meant...) knows what he's doing. Let's let him make the call.

My insider says there pissed at Him for missing that kick in Denver.

There comment was 'Even Vandy could have made that one'.

Who is "they?"

i think he'll stay in beantown, but if damon can sign elsewhere (and the yankees at that)...adam vinatieri certainly can

I don't get this comparison. Vinatieri has done a lot more for the Patriots than Damon ever did for the Red Sox.

Are you kidding? Damon managed to make the most annoying fanbase in professional sports that much more annoying!

 

[Borat]

I can't believe some of the things I'm reading in here...

Dear Mr Polian,

He won't be too cheap.  We don't care.  fn sign him.  TIA

Dear Mr. BigRed,Pioli (I think that's who you meant...) knows what he's doing. Let's let him make the call.

My insider says there pissed at Him for missing that kick in Denver.

There comment was 'Even Vandy could have made that one'.

Who is "they?"

i think he'll stay in beantown, but if damon can sign elsewhere (and the yankees at that)...adam vinatieri certainly can

I don't get this comparison. Vinatieri has done a lot more for the Patriots than Damon ever did for the Red Sox.

Are you kidding? Damon managed to make the most annoying fanbase in professional sports that much more annoying!

Good point.

 

[GiantsRule]

I can't believe some of the things I'm reading in here...

Dear Mr Polian,

He won't be too cheap.  We don't care.  fn sign him.  TIA

Dear Mr. BigRed,Pioli (I think that's who you meant...) knows what he's doing. Let's let him make the call.

My insider says there pissed at Him for missing that kick in Denver.

There comment was 'Even Vandy could have made that one'.

Who is "they?"

i think he'll stay in beantown, but if damon can sign elsewhere (and the yankees at that)...adam vinatieri certainly can

I don't get this comparison. Vinatieri has done a lot more for the Patriots than Damon ever did for the Red Sox.

Are you kidding? Damon managed to make the most annoying fanbase in professional sports that much more annoying!

Good point.

I thought so too!