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Norwood to get more touches (Per Mort) (1 Viewer)
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Banger
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Norwood whiffed on a block that led to a sack that got Harrington hurt at the end of the 1st half. I think he also missed a block earlier in the game that led to a sack as well. Regardless of how good he is at running, he won't be able to get the lionshare of the carries if he's going to get his qb killed.
Big Score
Footballguy
While Norwood is obviously a talented runner & needs more touches, Petrino simply can't put him in more until he hones the less glamorous, though equally important skill, of blocking.Especially with the Falcons O'line being in shambles due to injury. I mean things are so bad, that they were starting a 3rd stringer & they had to sign a guy off the street last week (Foster) & start him last night where Umenyiora promptly ate him alive.Norwood completely whiffed on a few blocks last night & one of his whiffs indeed led directly to his QB eating turf as pointed out above.Plain & simply, Norwood's a liability when called upon to stay in & help protect the QB & until he can correct that part of his game, I don't see how Petrino can get him in more.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I acquired Jerious last week based on this thread and he won my game for me this week with that early TD run. Needed 2 points from him, got 12. Thanks, dude !
LILB811
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I'm a Norwood owner and I think he has the potential to be a home run type guy every play, but the blocking needs to get better. Do the Falcons need to have him work with the offensive linemen instead of the Running Backs? It also makes me question the coaches that for over a year and a half somebody can't teach this guy how to at least get a chip on a rushing defender. It's funny that fragile, old, small Warrick Dunn is kept in the game because of his blocking ability. The Texans should be absolutely embarrassed that they lost to this team.
PatrickT
Footballguy
Then you bring in a fullback. No way Norwood shouldn't be getting 20 carries a game to see if he can carry the load next year, there is really nothing to lose at this point. As to Foster, the guy they signed off the street, I thought he and the o-line did a decent job under the circumstances. 4 sacks, none from Uminyura, tho he did get pressure, which forced them to help Foster and clear the middle. But over-all, a better effort than I had expected. Course, it doesn't matter much if your receivers can't catch the damn ball.Big Score said:Banger said:While Norwood is obviously a talented runner & needs more touches, Petrino simply can't put him in more until he hones the less glamorous, though equally important skill, of blocking.Especially with the Falcons O'line being in shambles due to injury. I mean things are so bad, that they were starting a 3rd stringer & they had to sign a guy off the street last week (Foster) & start him last night where Umenyiora promptly ate him alive.Norwood completely whiffed on a few blocks last night & one of his whiffs indeed led directly to his QB eating turf as pointed out above.Plain & simply, Norwood's a liability when called upon to stay in & help protect the QB & until he can correct that part of his game, I don't see how Petrino can get him in more.
Big Score
Footballguy
Then you bring in a fullback. No way Norwood shouldn't be getting 20 carries a game to see if he can carry the load next year, there is really nothing to lose at this point. As to Foster, the guy they signed off the street, I thought he and the o-line did a decent job under the circumstances. 4 sacks, none from Uminyura, tho he did get pressure, which forced them to help Foster and clear the middle. But over-all, a better effort than I had expected. Course, it doesn't matter much if your receivers can't catch the damn ball.Big Score said:Banger said:While Norwood is obviously a talented runner & needs more touches, Petrino simply can't put him in more until he hones the less glamorous, though equally important skill, of blocking.Especially with the Falcons O'line being in shambles due to injury. I mean things are so bad, that they were starting a 3rd stringer & they had to sign a guy off the street last week (Foster) & start him last night where Umenyiora promptly ate him alive.Norwood completely whiffed on a few blocks last night & one of his whiffs indeed led directly to his QB eating turf as pointed out above.Plain & simply, Norwood's a liability when called upon to stay in & help protect the QB & until he can correct that part of his game, I don't see how Petrino can get him in more.
Yeah the giants only registered 4 full sacks, but didn't you see how often Harrington was hurried, knocked down, forced out of the pocket? The O'line performance was pretty bad IMO. It certainly didn't help that the Falcon WR's suffered their drops at the most inopportune moments either.As far as putting in a Full Back in everytime Norwood is on the field goes, an offense can't be dictated into having to alter the game plan & formations, just to cover for the blocking defecencies of the RB. Plus opposing Defenses will be able to pick up on that tell & easily gameplan for it.No, until Norwood can fully round out his game & become proficent in all areas pretaining to the RB position, I just don't see him getting the 20 touches per game that we all want to see. They'll be able to Coach him up though & I think the kid has enough pride in his game that he wants to improve & we'll see that improvement there soon enough to where he's no longer a liability & he can get the 20 touches per game that he needs.
PatrickT
Footballguy
Yeah, I did, I just thought that, under the circumstances, it didn't turn out to be the sackfest that it could've been. Not at all saying they were great, just not that bad, again, under the circumstances.The offense has to be dictated by the personnel and their abilities. I get your point, but you have to use what you have the best way you can. If that means altering your scheme a bit to use a fullback, that's what you do, IMO. And it's not like Joey's standing around enjoying the AC with Dunn in there, either. The threat of Norwood in the backfield might cause the pass rush to ease up a bit. Again, JMO.Then you bring in a fullback. No way Norwood shouldn't be getting 20 carries a game to see if he can carry the load next year, there is really nothing to lose at this point. As to Foster, the guy they signed off the street, I thought he and the o-line did a decent job under the circumstances. 4 sacks, none from Uminyura, tho he did get pressure, which forced them to help Foster and clear the middle. But over-all, a better effort than I had expected. Course, it doesn't matter much if your receivers can't catch the damn ball.Big Score said:Banger said:While Norwood is obviously a talented runner & needs more touches, Petrino simply can't put him in more until he hones the less glamorous, though equally important skill, of blocking.Especially with the Falcons O'line being in shambles due to injury. I mean things are so bad, that they were starting a 3rd stringer & they had to sign a guy off the street last week (Foster) & start him last night where Umenyiora promptly ate him alive.Norwood completely whiffed on a few blocks last night & one of his whiffs indeed led directly to his QB eating turf as pointed out above.Plain & simply, Norwood's a liability when called upon to stay in & help protect the QB & until he can correct that part of his game, I don't see how Petrino can get him in more.
NatronIsMean
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This is a point I made in the other thread. However, their primary need is NOT to buy Harrington time, but to find playmakers. I think you develop a few plays that get him the ball in the open and potentially throw in a blocking tight-end when he's in the game. You just have to get that kid and Crumpler the ball more. They and perhaps White are the ONLY hope for that offense to move the ball...Banger said:
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
You absolutely should put in a different setup when Norwood is in the game. He's one of your few playmakers. As long as you have a varied set of plays for the sets where Norwood is in, including interior runs, screens, etc. as well as play action counters to those plays, you're fine.Then you bring in a fullback. No way Norwood shouldn't be getting 20 carries a game to see if he can carry the load next year, there is really nothing to lose at this point. As to Foster, the guy they signed off the street, I thought he and the o-line did a decent job under the circumstances. 4 sacks, none from Uminyura, tho he did get pressure, which forced them to help Foster and clear the middle. But over-all, a better effort than I had expected. Course, it doesn't matter much if your receivers can't catch the damn ball.Big Score said:Banger said:
Especially with the Falcons O'line being in shambles due to injury. I mean things are so bad, that they were starting a 3rd stringer & they had to sign a guy off the street last week (Foster) & start him last night where Umenyiora promptly ate him alive.
Norwood completely whiffed on a few blocks last night & one of his whiffs indeed led directly to his QB eating turf as pointed out above.
Plain & simply, Norwood's a liability when called upon to stay in & help protect the QB & until he can correct that part of his game, I don't see how Petrino can get him in more.Yeah the giants only registered 4 full sacks, but didn't you see how often Harrington was hurried, knocked down, forced out of the pocket? The O'line performance was pretty bad IMO. It certainly didn't help that the Falcon WR's suffered their drops at the most inopportune moments either.
As far as putting in a Full Back in everytime Norwood is on the field goes, an offense can't be dictated into having to alter the game plan & formations, just to cover for the blocking defecencies of the RB. Plus opposing Defenses will be able to pick up on that tell & easily gameplan for it.
No, until Norwood can fully round out his game & become proficent in all areas pretaining to the RB position, I just don't see him getting the 20 touches per game that we all want to see. They'll be able to Coach him up though & I think the kid has enough pride in his game that he wants to improve & we'll see that improvement there soon enough to where he's no longer a liability & he can get the 20 touches per game that he needs.
It is not uncommon for teams to have 2-3 skill player groups that tend to be on the field together.
Brunell4MVP
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On both of the blitzes that Norwood did not pick up, a QB is supposed to realize where the blitz is coming from and slide the RB to the other side of the formation.
I'm not saying Norwood is a good blocker, because he isn't. But blaming him is wrong.
I suspect Dunn is in there more because he can cover Harrington's inability to audible properly.
I'm not saying Norwood is a good blocker, because he isn't. But blaming him is wrong.
I suspect Dunn is in there more because he can cover Harrington's inability to audible properly.
bigupsetter
Footballguy
When, when, when!!!!!!
Dirty D-Towne Dogs
Footballguy
I was down about 15 points with Shockey and Norwood left. He had the Giants D. I figured I had no chance in hell.
I got out of the crapper and had a look....67 and a touch???
In the end, it was Norwood's garbage time touches that helped me to a .9 win. I picked up Norwood off FA 5 minutes before 1:00pm on Sunday, I had a rough bye week and needed an RB
I got out of the crapper and had a look....67 and a touch???
In the end, it was Norwood's garbage time touches that helped me to a .9 win. I picked up Norwood off FA 5 minutes before 1:00pm on Sunday, I had a rough bye week and needed an RB
bigupsetter
Footballguy
when, when, when?!?!?!?!?
lostby1
Footballguy
I think Norwood would be fine. He just needs more experience and the only way he can get it is by playing more. They can't get any worse with him in there so they might as well give him the chance. Dunn looked a lot slower than normal.
Norwood does have chicken legs though, no big deal just wanted to put that useless info out there.
Norwood does have chicken legs though, no big deal just wanted to put that useless info out there.
switz
Footballguy
It had nothing to do with his long TD in the first half?I was down about 15 points with Shockey and Norwood left. He had the Giants D. I figured I had no chance in hell.
I got out of the crapper and had a look....67 and a touch???
In the end, it was Norwood's garbage time touches that helped me to a .9 win. I picked up Norwood off FA 5 minutes before 1:00pm on Sunday, I had a rough bye week and needed an RB
Or did you just not watch the game?All good points about changing the offensive packages. Makes sense and it's done all the time.it also beggs the ? WTH did they sign Ovie Mughelli to a huge contract to only keep him on the sideleines!You absolutely should put in a different setup when Norwood is in the game. He's one of your few playmakers. As long as you have a varied set of plays for the sets where Norwood is in, including interior runs, screens, etc. as well as play action counters to those plays, you're fine.Then you bring in a fullback. No way Norwood shouldn't be getting 20 carries a game to see if he can carry the load next year, there is really nothing to lose at this point. As to Foster, the guy they signed off the street, I thought he and the o-line did a decent job under the circumstances. 4 sacks, none from Uminyura, tho he did get pressure, which forced them to help Foster and clear the middle. But over-all, a better effort than I had expected. Course, it doesn't matter much if your receivers can't catch the damn ball.Big Score said:Banger said:While Norwood is obviously a talented runner & needs more touches, Petrino simply can't put him in more until he hones the less glamorous, though equally important skill, of blocking.
Especially with the Falcons O'line being in shambles due to injury. I mean things are so bad, that they were starting a 3rd stringer & they had to sign a guy off the street last week (Foster) & start him last night where Umenyiora promptly ate him alive.
Norwood completely whiffed on a few blocks last night & one of his whiffs indeed led directly to his QB eating turf as pointed out above.
Plain & simply, Norwood's a liability when called upon to stay in & help protect the QB & until he can correct that part of his game, I don't see how Petrino can get him in more.Yeah the giants only registered 4 full sacks, but didn't you see how often Harrington was hurried, knocked down, forced out of the pocket? The O'line performance was pretty bad IMO. It certainly didn't help that the Falcon WR's suffered their drops at the most inopportune moments either.
As far as putting in a Full Back in everytime Norwood is on the field goes, an offense can't be dictated into having to alter the game plan & formations, just to cover for the blocking defecencies of the RB. Plus opposing Defenses will be able to pick up on that tell & easily gameplan for it.
No, until Norwood can fully round out his game & become proficent in all areas pretaining to the RB position, I just don't see him getting the 20 touches per game that we all want to see. They'll be able to Coach him up though & I think the kid has enough pride in his game that he wants to improve & we'll see that improvement there soon enough to where he's no longer a liability & he can get the 20 touches per game that he needs.
It is not uncommon for teams to have 2-3 skill player groups that tend to be on the field together.
He's a monster blocker.
Not sure what they are thinking.
After 7 games, Dunn has almost exactly twice as many carries as Norwood (95 to 47), but YPC:
Dunn: 3.07
Norwood: 5.79
As per receptions, Dunn has 18 and Norwood has 17... guess what yards per reception is?
Dunn: 4.33
Norwood: 8.41
I don't get it! Say all you want about Norwood not being able to carry the load... he should at least be getting more than 1/3 of the carries. Petrino might need to recognize this to save his job. This is getting ridiculous.
Dunn: 3.07
Norwood: 5.79
As per receptions, Dunn has 18 and Norwood has 17... guess what yards per reception is?
Dunn: 4.33
Norwood: 8.41
I don't get it! Say all you want about Norwood not being able to carry the load... he should at least be getting more than 1/3 of the carries. Petrino might need to recognize this to save his job. This is getting ridiculous.
Warpig
Footballguy
The sad thing is next year he will probably bring in a FA RB or draft one to replace Norwood!After 7 games, Dunn has almost exactly twice as many carries as Norwood (95 to 47), but YPC:
Dunn: 3.07
Norwood: 5.79
As per receptions, Dunn has 18 and Norwood has 17... guess what yards per reception is?
Dunn: 4.33
Norwood: 8.41
I don't get it! Say all you want about Norwood not being able to carry the load... he should at least be getting more than 1/3 of the carries. Petrino might need to recognize this to save his job. This is getting ridiculous.
God, I was pissed before, this REALLY PISSES ME OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!ARGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!murzman said:After 7 games, Dunn has almost exactly twice as many carries as Norwood (95 to 47), but YPC:
Dunn: 3.07
Norwood: 5.79
As per receptions, Dunn has 18 and Norwood has 17... guess what yards per reception is?
Dunn: 4.33
Norwood: 8.41
I don't get it! Say all you want about Norwood not being able to carry the load... he should at least be getting more than 1/3 of the carries. Petrino might need to recognize this to save his job. This is getting ridiculous.
Can you tell I need a RB.....
2006 was more of the same, but Dunn still did alright.
2006 YPC
Dunn: 4.0
Norwood: 6.4
2006 Yards Per Reception
Dunn: 7.7
Norwood: 8.5
Norwood's carries in 2007 aren't all in garbage time either so the YPC is fairly legitimate, although I wouldn't think it would stay that high if he got 10 more carries per game.... you get the point though
2006 YPC
Dunn: 4.0
Norwood: 6.4
2006 Yards Per Reception
Dunn: 7.7
Norwood: 8.5
Norwood's carries in 2007 aren't all in garbage time either so the YPC is fairly legitimate, although I wouldn't think it would stay that high if he got 10 more carries per game.... you get the point though
Tanner9919
Footballguy
seems more times than not, a former college HC doesn't equate to becoming a good NFL HC..
the Bobby Petrino show might be 'one-n-done' if this keeps up..
the Bobby Petrino show might be 'one-n-done' if this keeps up..
PatrickT
Footballguy
Listening to 680 The Fan on the ride home and they announced there was big news out of Flowery Branch. I was praying that it was going to be Norwood would start, but turns out they cut DT Grady Jackson.
Arrgghh, they're killing me! Maybe they'll come to their senses after the bye week.
Arrgghh, they're killing me! Maybe they'll come to their senses after the bye week.
super sleeper
Footballguy
This will never happen. The Michael Vick situation assures Petrino gets a free pass this year. Having said that, I think eventually he has to go to Norwood to give the O a spark, whether he can block or not. It wouldn't surprise me if they use the bye week to add more plays for Norwood.
PatrickT
Footballguy
Agree. Bobby will get 2008 at least. With the glaring exception of this Norwood silliness, he's not done a bad job with the team. Jackson and Zimmer were good additions to the staff as well. And I have to think that Blank has a finger in this Norwood/Dunn stuff. It makes no sense from a coaching perspective.
And just in case anyone thinks Norwood is getting cheap yardage in non-garbage time, Football Outsiders has him ranked #17 in rushing DPAR (year to date total) and #13 in DVOA (per play average). Dunn is #46 and #44 respectively. Give the man the ball!
I've loved Dunn over the years, always a solid, classy guy. But he just doesn't look good at all when he is in the game. The few Atlanta games I have suffered few I've been blown away as to how tired he looks running the ball.murzman said:After 7 games, Dunn has almost exactly twice as many carries as Norwood (95 to 47), but YPC:
Dunn: 3.07
Norwood: 5.79
As per receptions, Dunn has 18 and Norwood has 17... guess what yards per reception is?
Dunn: 4.33
Norwood: 8.41
I don't get it! Say all you want about Norwood not being able to carry the load... he should at least be getting more than 1/3 of the carries. Petrino might need to recognize this to save his job. This is getting ridiculous.
monessen
Footballguy
People believe Chris Mortensen when he makes some declaration? Why? 
On ESPN Sunday morning radio, he is totally out of his element as a host for a show with Parcells and Keyshawn. The former coach and, yes, the flamboyant wideout always have something insightful to say that comes across better on radio than in the TV hijinks and it is pretty informative. But Mortensen stumbles and stammers his way through questions. Not much of an interviewer. I really don't know what, in broadcasting, he's good at----except for rumor-mongering.
As to Norwood, just give up on him this year. He'll continue to be the perpetual tease, the "change of pace" back, with Dunn around. If, by some miracle, they give him a chance to strut his stuff down the stretch, he'll probably go down with an injury.
On ESPN Sunday morning radio, he is totally out of his element as a host for a show with Parcells and Keyshawn. The former coach and, yes, the flamboyant wideout always have something insightful to say that comes across better on radio than in the TV hijinks and it is pretty informative. But Mortensen stumbles and stammers his way through questions. Not much of an interviewer. I really don't know what, in broadcasting, he's good at----except for rumor-mongering.
As to Norwood, just give up on him this year. He'll continue to be the perpetual tease, the "change of pace" back, with Dunn around. If, by some miracle, they give him a chance to strut his stuff down the stretch, he'll probably go down with an injury.
joffer
Footballguy
ok, thanks
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Routilla
Footballguy
monessen
Footballguy
I didn't call you any names, Ryan, and don't see why you have to. I'm certain you can be civil if you want to be.
Norwood has been on my roster for the past 2 years and I understand the frustration of owning him.
By the way, the History Channel will have a Nostradamus special on Sunday night at 9 eastern time for those not watching Football Night in America.
Norwood has been on my roster for the past 2 years and I understand the frustration of owning him.
By the way, the History Channel will have a Nostradamus special on Sunday night at 9 eastern time for those not watching Football Night in America.
More fuel to the fire from the AJC.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/f...lcons_1029.html
Warrick Dunn simply hasn't been able to make much happen, whereas Jerious Norwood (right) has made big plays. Though the coaching staff has reluctantly held firm in keeping Dunn as the top option, Norwood eventually will be the main ball carrier.
Now we can debate what "eventually" means!
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/f...lcons_1029.html
Warrick Dunn simply hasn't been able to make much happen, whereas Jerious Norwood (right) has made big plays. Though the coaching staff has reluctantly held firm in keeping Dunn as the top option, Norwood eventually will be the main ball carrier.
Now we can debate what "eventually" means!
maxwell1295
Footballguy
It depends on what your definition of "means" means...
3C's
Footballguy
Unfortunately, that's a writer's opinion and not that of the coaching staff.
Just in time for the playoffs.
Big Score
Footballguy
Falcons | Norwood injures ankle Week 9
Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:22:10 -0800
Updating a previous report, The Associated Press reports Atlanta Falcons RB Jerious Norwood (ankle) injured his ankle in the first quarter of the team's Week 9 game. He returned to the game but left for good in the third quarter when he re-injured his ankle.
Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:22:10 -0800
Updating a previous report, The Associated Press reports Atlanta Falcons RB Jerious Norwood (ankle) injured his ankle in the first quarter of the team's Week 9 game. He returned to the game but left for good in the third quarter when he re-injured his ankle.
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