Not the same Old Mike Vick! (1 Viewer)

[f360spyder]

Hey - anyone have a line on how many passes Warrick Dunn caught yesterday vs. how many were thrown to him?

You watched the game on Tivo. Why don't you tell us?

Wow. You get pissy about Vick. I didn't realize you two were so close.

Nah...just asking you to answer the question, since you watched the game and all dontcha know. How come you're dodging the question?

I'm not dodging it. I asked it. Jokingly. Because Dunn didn't catch a pass all game. Because Vick doesn't release to his escape valve when he's in trouble. Because he tries to run instead. Which I think I've discussed ad nauseum in this thread.

Dunn is great at blocking and is used more there than as a dump off option. One good example was Vick's rushing TD; Dunn had a key block.

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

Hey - anyone have a line on how many passes Warrick Dunn caught yesterday vs. how many were thrown to him?

You watched the game on Tivo. Why don't you tell us?

Wow. You get pissy about Vick. I didn't realize you two were so close.

Nah...just asking you to answer the question, since you watched the game and all dontcha know. How come you're dodging the question?

I'm not dodging it. I asked it. Jokingly. Because Dunn didn't catch a pass all game. Because Vick doesn't release to his escape valve when he's in trouble. Because he tries to run instead. Which I think I've discussed ad nauseum in this thread.

If you watched the game like you say you did, tell us exactly how many times Dunn released into the flat versus how many times he was kept in to block?If the plays called by the Coaches don't have Dunn releasing, how is Vick supposed to throw him the ball?

Again, if you paid any attention to the game you say you watched, you'd have known it is Crumpler who releases and is Vick's escape valve.

You must be kidding me. In order to "prove" to some knucklehead on a message board that I watched a game, I need to be able to recount the number of times a particular RB squeaked into the flat? Seriously? Do you live like this all the time, or just on Mondays?

With your fabrication of Umenyiora's sack & fumble where you describe it as a Vick being "crushed with a vicious hit", you've already "proved" you didn't watch the game and are speaking out of your butt.

Please see above.

For what? That you're only going by published stats and not what actually happened in the game? I already know that.

Then in yesterday's drunken haze I have the plays wrong. U. did hit him with a crushing smackdown at some point after that first sack, I know for sure. It was vicious. And it was due to poor pass protection. I think I'm right on this other issue, but I'm willing to concede that your encyclopedic knowledge of this game is vastly superior to mine. In play-by-play remembrance, not in Vick's genius as a player.

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

Dunn is great at blocking and is used more there than as a dump off option. One good example was Vick's rushing TD; Dunn had a key block.

Hey, no argument from me there. On the plays where he is a release valve, though, I tihnk Vick gets tunnel vision downfield - which is why, I think, Crumpler is such a more likely/often release option for the coaching staff to give to Vick. Crumpler isn't in the backfield, so he gets looked for.That doesn't change the fact that Dunn actually is the release on many plays - just not AS many.

 

[f360spyder]

Point is, Vick is improving as a QB. However, he's been in the league 5 years and has had ample time to develop, and I don't believe he is where he could be. In the Giants game he showed potential he should have been showing 1-2 years ago. An obvious example, the Jenkins 60yd'er. Because Jenkins dropped it though, people who watch stats and not the game discredit Vick. Same as the INT. Vick haters try to capitalize on his mistakes, even though they were out of his control. 4 fumbles is too much though.

In conclusion, I hate Falcons WRs.

 

[Big Score]

Then in yesterday's drunken haze I have the plays wrong.

You were in a "drunken haze" yesterday and you want us to put stock in your observations / comments?Okey Dokey

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

Point is, Vick is improving as a QB. However, he's been in the league 5 years and has had ample time to develop, and I don't believe he is where he could be. In the Giants game he showed potential he should have been showing 1-2 years ago. An obvious example, the Jenkins 60yd'er. Because Jenkins dropped it though, people who watch stats and not the game discredit Vick. Same as the INT. Vick haters try to capitalize on his mistakes, even though they were out of his control. 4 fumbles is too much though.In conclusion, I hate Falcons WRs.

I agree with a good portion of this post. I discredit Vick for things like starting slowly in the Giants game and fumbling way too much. I think his "passing" field vision is not quite on par with his "running" field vision, and that might be the issue.I'm also mindful of the fact that his offense keeps getting changed. It's possible that he just has to get to settle in to one offense. I don't think that's the issue, but it's possible.

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

Then in yesterday's drunken haze I have the plays wrong.

You were in a "drunken haze" yesterday and you want us to put stock in your observations / comments?Okey Dokey

Good luck with life. I'm putting you on ignore.

 

[Big Score]

Then in yesterday's drunken haze I have the plays wrong.

You were in a "drunken haze" yesterday and you want us to put stock in your observations / comments?Okey Dokey

Good luck with life. I'm putting you on ignore.

Whatever floats your boat guy. However, as I'm not the one making comments / observations on games I Tivo'ed & then watched in a drunken haze, I think you might be ignoring the wrong person.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Any particular reason this thread wasn't bumped?

 

[njxbean]

its amazing what happens when recievers catch the football!

 

[Gargoylez]

Agreed. THe WR's played well and Crumpler looked like his old self again.

I am not sure this was a coming out party or the Steelers are just worse then we thought.

Maybe the Offensive Coordinator should get on Vicks **** ever week.

Should we expect another 12-20-105-1-1 and 100 rushing yards this week???

 

[Rushmore]

its amazing what happens when recievers catch the football!

Exactly.

 

[FrostBite]

And when Vick isn't throwing passes over his receivers heads. He actually showed good touch on the intermediate passes, something he's had a problem with in the past. Hopefully they will keep letting him throw instead of trying to run run pass or run run run. I think I even saw a WR screen on first down.

 

[Shlon]

The OC called a good game, the offensive line actually had good pass protection, and the WR's actually got open & caught balls. The decision making for Vick was basically the same as in his previous games but everything came together today. Hopefully, the offense continues this trend and doesn't revert to running the ball so much. Although effective at running the ball, a balanced attack is what the Falcons need.

 

[FrostBite]

The OC called a good game, the offensive line actually had good pass protection, and the WR's actually got open & caught balls. The decision making for Vick was basically the same as in his previous games but everything came together today. Hopefully, the offense continues this trend and doesn't revert to running the ball so much. Although effective at running the ball, a balanced attack is what the Falcons need.

Thank you Yoda.

 

[One]

I was VERY impressed with Vick's performance. VERY.

Grats to all you Vick owners, it looks like this might be his best fantasy year yet.

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

Vick showed tremendous poise behind the line of scrimmage - something he hasn't done much of in the past without then taking off to run. His rhythm was fantastic (partially because of this, I would guess) and his receivers knew he was committed. The worst thing he did all day after establishing his rhythm was that rocket to Dunn that bounced off ihs hands. Way too strong for the RB that close to the QB. Every QB does that occasionally, though - it's actually a good sign in my mind that he's trying to feed the ball to the RB. When that happens and then a QB recovers for the next drive without resorting to running the ball himself, I consider it a very good thing. Falcons just became contenders because Vick showed some real progress in the passing game.

Funny how much less he fumbles when the defense can't just tee off on him because they know he'll either run or fall away from contact. He stepped up and took some big hits while releasing the ball and got rewarded by some big catches.

If Vick continues like this, the rest of the division better win out.

 

[Big Score]

its amazing what happens when recievers catch the football!

It's also amazing when your OC finally calls for some pass plays on higher % downs. Previously the majority of Falcon pass plays called were when they were in 3rd & longs. That's just a killer recipe for a QB's completion%. Just go look at the stat breakdowns for any QB completion% who is constantly put in that situation.Guess Vick just might have be onto something, when he lobbied for a less predictable offensive game plan.

 

[Big Score]

The worst thing he did all day after establishing his rhythm was that rocket to Dunn that bounced off ihs hands. Way too strong for the RB that close to the QB.

Well, while fast, it wasn't a ROCKET & the game announcers said Dunn should've caught that ball.But if that's the only thing you could find to criticize about Vick's game yesterday...

 

[Defending Champs]

The worst thing he did all day after establishing his rhythm was that rocket to Dunn that bounced off ihs hands. Way too strong for the RB that close to the QB.

Well, while fast, it wasn't a ROCKET & the game announcers said Dunn should've caught that ball.But if that's the only thing you could find to criticize about Vick's game yesterday...

That was not overthrown IMO.I bet if you ask Dunn, he'd take 100% of the credit for that little mishap.

Bottom Line, WR's catch the ball, confidence grows, it looks like an NFL offense.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Why thread no bump today?

 

[my man otis]

Why thread no bump today?

are you done bumping old threads yet?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Why thread no bump today?

are you done bumping old threads yet?

I saw a couple good Mike Bell threads to bump but I didn't.

 

[Kayoh]

Are we witnessing a new Michael Vick, complete with...dare I say it...FINESSE?

Oh yeah. In the words of McDonalds, I'm loving it.

 

[Shlon]

Back to back good passing games, makes a world of difference when Vick actually has a chance to throw the ball on first & second down. In the past it was first down run the ball, second down run the ball, third down pass & hopefully pick up the first down... the passing game would never get a chance to get some rhythm but that's finally changing. For the second week in a row the o-line gave great pass protection & the receivers caught balls they should make. Bill Musgrave is doing a great job on Vick's mechanics, Vick is putting a lot better touch on the ball & his decision making is improving.

 

[One]

Why thread no bump today?

nice bump. Vick's on FIRE

 

[Assani Fisher]

Are we witnessing a new Michael Vick, complete with...dare I say it...FINESSE?Oh yeah. In the words of McDonalds, I'm loving it.

3rd year in WCO I believe.

 

[Big Score]

Vick is dialed in right now. Helps that Knapp is calling a better game. 60% runs on 1st downs was getting just a little too obvious. The WR's finally catching the ball is the icing on the cake. Wasn't worried about Alge. I knew Crump would come around. His case of the dropsies earlier in the year was an aberration.

 

[juveduke]

Vick is dialed in right now. Helps that Knapp is calling a better game. 60% runs on 1st downs was getting just a little too obvious. The WR's finally catching the ball is the icing on the cake. Wasn't worried about Alge. I knew Crump would come around. His case of the dropsies earlier in the year was an aberration.

I'd say the biggest improvement is his protection. OTOH, the line can't run block for #### right now.

 

[Big Score]

Vick is dialed in right now. Helps that Knapp is calling a better game. 60% runs on 1st downs was getting just a little too obvious. The WR's finally catching the ball is the icing on the cake. Wasn't worried about Alge. I knew Crump would come around. His case of the dropsies earlier in the year was an aberration.

I'd say the biggest improvement is his protection. OTOH, the line can't run block for #### right now.

Yep, the O'line was excellent at pass protection & even with the O'line not at it's best in the run blocking phase, the Falcons still had 143 yards on the ground today.

 

[walkwithme]

This is the Vick no one wants to play against. He didn't run just to run, he only ran on designed plays that had a pass or run in them. Also his line had great pass protection and he actually was hitting second and third options. I was more impressed that he played this type of game on the road.

 

[CrossEyed]

OK, I have to admit that I've been one of the guys who would not give Vick credit in the past. But after watching him play the past two weeks I have to admit I was wrong. The guy made all the throws these last two weeks and has looked like a poised veteran. He's gunning it in there when he needs to and showing nice touch on other passes. He's running when he needs to, but not forcing the issue. He seems like he's really putting it together. This is going to be a tough team to beat if Vick keeps playing the way he's playing right now.

Color me impressed.

 

[Da Guru]

I give Vick his due.

 

[Big Score]

I give Vick his due.

About time you came around. Now we just need to work on your buddy Pygmy Marmoset.

 

[Despyzer]

But after watching him play the past two weeks I have to admit I was wrong.

You weren't wrong if you said it more than two weeks ago. We've seen a different Michael Vick lately. I hope he continues to play this way. If he maintains this for about a dozen more seasons, he might start to live up to the hype.

 

[Ilov80s]

The 30 yard lasers on the run are incredible. In terms of physical talent, the list of football players that compare to Vick is awfully short.

 

[trogg78]

mcnabb has been my #1 all year...but I've got vick on the bench. Im beginning to wonder if its time to sit mcnabb and just stick with vick (Its mcnabb's bye week, but Im think permanantly)...he was unbelievable watching him beat up on my bengals D. I thought they did a good job of keeping him in the pocket and making him throw...but he was passing with precision accuracy, especially on third down. This wasnt just one fluke passing game like last year...i think he's starting to turn into a great quarterback.

 

[Tau837]

But after watching him play the past two weeks I have to admit I was wrong.

You weren't wrong if you said it more than two weeks ago. We've seen a different Michael Vick lately. I hope he continues to play this way. If he maintains this for about a dozen more seasons, he might start to live up to the hype.

We've seen a different Vick lately, because two weeks ago (a) the Falcons changed the offense to more often feature routes suited to Vick's talents and (b) improved their playcalling. And his receivers have made plays the past two weeks... something they weren't doing before.I think Vick still needs to improve as a QB, and certainly bears some of the blame for not being more successful as a passer in the past, but IMO the above were bigger factors.

 

[Big Score]

If he maintains this for about a dozen more seasons, he might start to live up to the hype.

Dude, if he plays like this for a dozen more seasons, he's a stone cold lead pipe lock HoF'er. I'm not ready to go that far, but the point is, he's nowhere near as bad as the Vick bashers like to say.

 

[redman]

If he maintains this for about a dozen more seasons, he might start to live up to the hype.

Dude, if he plays like this for a dozen more seasons, he's a stone cold lead pipe lock HoF'er. I'm not ready to go that far, but the point is, he's nowhere near as bad as the Vick bashers like to say.

Why is he so inconsistent then? I understand it's the NFL and that sometimes the defenses win, but why can't he even resemble what we saw yesterday week to week?

 

[Big Score]

If he maintains this for about a dozen more seasons, he might start to live up to the hype.

Dude, if he plays like this for a dozen more seasons, he's a stone cold lead pipe lock HoF'er. I'm not ready to go that far, but the point is, he's nowhere near as bad as the Vick bashers like to say.

Why is he so inconsistent then? I understand it's the NFL and that sometimes the defenses win, but why can't he even resemble what we saw yesterday week to week?

Read the thread for the answer to your question Grasshopper.

 

[fightingillini]

mcnabb has been my #1 all year...but I've got vick on the bench. Im beginning to wonder if its time to sit mcnabb and just stick with vick (Its mcnabb's bye week, but Im think permanantly)...he was unbelievable watching him beat up on my bengals D. I thought they did a good job of keeping him in the pocket and making him throw...but he was passing with precision accuracy, especially on third down. This wasnt just one fluke passing game like last year...i think he's starting to turn into a great quarterback.

Looks like a trade should be in order. You can get an awful lot for either McNabb or Vick right now.