"Notes on Being a Man" (16 Viewers)

[gianmarco]

Interesting interview on Today

 

[Eephus]

I'm going to need more info before clicking that link

 

[urbanhack]

big fan. it's scott galloway.

 

[Ilov80s]

I'm going to need more info before clicking that link

He has a book basically saying young men are mess right now and older men need to step to be better role models for them.

 

[AAABatteries]

Thought this would be a Mike Gundy video.

 

[bigbottom]

Wow. Thank you for posting that link. I will be picking up that book. So much of what he is saying rings true.

 

[TheBaylorKid]

Galloway’s podcast with Anthony Scaramucci called A Lost Boys Special is worth a listen. Deeper dive into what is covered on that segment.

My favorite book on raising boys and masculinity is John Eldridge’s Wild at Heart. I gave it to all my groomsmen 17 years ago. It is probably time for a reread.

 

[TheBaylorKid]

Wow. Thank you for posting that link. I will be picking up that book. So much of what he is saying rings true.

You changed your avatar picture, I didn’t recognize you!

 

[Judge Smails]

Thanks for sharing. Wow - makes one think. Will be my next audioboook. He’s spot on

 

[bigbottom]

Wow. Thank you for posting that link. I will be picking up that book. So much of what he is saying rings true.

You changed your avatar picture, I didn’t recognize you!

Alas, lost a bet!

 

[Desert_Power]

big fan. it's scott galloway.

Thought it was either this or Jordan Peterson. Best to avoid giving CBS News traffic though.

 

[General Malaise]

I would really like to see the proof that 40% of bars have closed since Covid. That's a staggering number. This guy throws numbers around absent any documentation or push back. Why is he being lionized exactly?

And I'm sure all the men he went after are busy watching Good Morning America to get his memo.

 

[General Malaise]

How does he know 45% of men between the ages of 18 and 24 have never asked a woman out on a date? Prove it.

And women are really - REALLY - coming up to a bald headed egg with glasses saying "why won't men approach me???".

Good lord.

 

[The Z Machine]

How does he know 45% of men between the ages of 18 and 24 have never asked a woman out on a date? Prove it.

And women are really - REALLY - coming up to a bald headed egg with glasses saying "why won't men approach me???".

Good lord.

I dunno, GM. I bet his book cites the sources for those stats. He's a professor, so I would imagine that's part of his game. Whether the polls and data collection were done well is a different story.

Anecdotally, a lot of this rings true for me, especially the part about men having to do better for the younger generation and the insidious nature of social media.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I work with many men under the age of 30. I’m not seeing these stats.

 

[The Z Machine]

I work with many men under the age of 30. I’m not seeing these stats.

maybe because those men have jobs? Maybe you're not seeing the ones whose economic prospects are poor.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I work with many men under the age of 30. I’m not seeing these stats.

maybe because those men have jobs? Maybe you're not seeing the ones whose economic prospects are poor.

I work in the restaurant industry. These dudes aren’t exactly titans of industry.

 

[Jayrod]

I would really like to see the proof that 40% of bars have closed since Covid. That's a staggering number. This guy throws numbers around absent any documentation or push back. Why is he being lionized exactly?

And I'm sure all the men he went after are busy watching Good Morning America to get his memo.

Yes, because citing sources and statistical data gathering/sampling methodology makes for a great talk show interview.

The biggest numbers that I have seen cited over and over that not many people seem to give a crap about is the male to female 4:1 suicide rate and 1:2 college grad rate. Those are massive differences and symptoms of the issues driving a ton of our societal ills.

Today's young men are more miserable and are less successful than females.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

I would really like to see the proof that 40% of bars have closed since Covid. That's a staggering number.

I bet his book cites the sources for those stats.

this.

though I did google.

Here's an old ABC article

I skimmed but I did catch

The bar and nightlife industry, which is six times smaller than the restaurant industry, tallied 5,454 total business closures -- 2,429 of which are permanent -- according to Yelp.

and here's something from the uk talking about how many pubs are going out of business

Over 2,000 pubs have closed since the start of 2020, as sky-high inflation since the Covid pandemic has seen rising costs and falling consumer demand.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

I've also heard that Gen Z is just drinking less. If true, that seems like it would have a huge effect on bars.

 

[Jayrod]

Also just looked this guy up.

Seems he was highly successful as a businessman in the tech world and has a very prevalent media footprint outside of being a college professor with a popular podcast and weekly newsletter and is popular from some "TED talk style" videos.

He's a UCLA grad with an MBA from Cal.

 

[msudaisy26]

Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid. Plus isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work? Business provide goods or services to the consumer and if the consumer doesn't want these goods or services then the business can't survive and something else usually takes it place, or if you over saturated the market then only the best businesses survive.

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

 

[Sand]

Today's young men ... are less successful than females.

Our education system has been highly, highly female centric for a long time now. This is no surprise.

 

[Harry Manback]

This was an excellent listen

 

[Harry Manback]

Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid. Plus isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work? Business provide goods or services to the consumer and if the consumer doesn't want these goods or services then the business can't survive and something else usually takes it place, or if you over saturated the market then only the best businesses survive.

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

It’s really dangerous when people start believing their own opinions trump facts and research.

 

[Charlie Steiner]

Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid. Plus isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work? Business provide goods or services to the consumer and if the consumer doesn't want these goods or services then the business can't survive and something else usually takes it place, or if you over saturated the market then only the best businesses survive.

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

Roger Sterling and Don Draper seem to agree:

Roger: Maybe every generation thinks the next one is the end of it all...I bet there are people in the Bible walking around complaining about kids today.

Don: Kids today, they have no one to look up to, because they're looking up to us.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

That’s why he’s trying to bring awareness to people who think like you do.

 

[the moops]

The biggest numbers that I have seen cited over and over that not many people seem to give a crap about is the male to female 4:1 suicide rate and 1:2 college grad rate. Those are massive differences and symptoms of the issues driving a ton of our societal ills.

The male to female suicide rate has been a pretty consistent 4:1 for a very very long time. For example, in 1950 it was 3.8:1.

The college graduation rate isn't 2:1 in favor of women. It is closer to 60/40. Still alarming, but not as dire as you stated

 

[msudaisy26]

Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid. Plus isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work? Business provide goods or services to the consumer and if the consumer doesn't want these goods or services then the business can't survive and something else usually takes it place, or if you over saturated the market then only the best businesses survive.

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

It’s really dangerous when people start believing their own opinions trump facts and research.

Because people have never skewed facts to make money.

 

[msudaisy26]

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

That’s why he’s trying to bring awareness to people who think like you do.

Awareness that bars are closing?

 

[massraider]

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

This isn't Scott Galloway. This is every poster in the FFA.

Scott Galloway is sympathetic to young men, he is alarmed by what he sees.

They aren't doing anything. They have been cooped up in the house since they were kids, just long enough to develop a video game habit, and maybe some online gambling to boot, They don't go out and get laid, they don't socialize, they don't network, they don't exercise, they don't excel at anything. Anything goes wrong for them, they have a host of parents and teachers and Tik Tokers diagnosing them and telling them how unfair it is to them, which ios true, but that's how you wind with a couple generations of wimps with no social skills, no backbone, and no grit.

 

[Harry Manback]

The biggest numbers that I have seen cited over and over that not many people seem to give a crap about is the male to female 4:1 suicide rate and 1:2 college grad rate. Those are massive differences and symptoms of the issues driving a ton of our societal ills.

The male to female suicide rate has been a pretty consistent 4:1 for a very very long time. For example, in 1950 it was 3.8:1.

The college graduation rate isn't 2:1 in favor of women. It is closer to 60/40. Still alarming, but not as dire as you stated

I think the issue re: Graduation rate is that the the woman rate is going up (probably large part due to availability of birth control and contraceptives as well as other things) but the men rate is going down. As the author mentioned, it isn't a zero sum game, men do not have to fail for woman to succeed yet that appears to be what is happening lately.

 

[Harry Manback]

Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid. Plus isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work? Business provide goods or services to the consumer and if the consumer doesn't want these goods or services then the business can't survive and something else usually takes it place, or if you over saturated the market then only the best businesses survive.

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

It’s really dangerous when people start believing their own opinions trump facts and research.

Because people have never skewed facts to make money.

So how do you decide which facts you believe? The ones that you already agree with? Again, dangerous.

 

[msudaisy26]

Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid. Plus isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work? Business provide goods or services to the consumer and if the consumer doesn't want these goods or services then the business can't survive and something else usually takes it place, or if you over saturated the market then only the best businesses survive.

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

It’s really dangerous when people start believing their own opinions trump facts and research.

Because people have never skewed facts to make money.

So how do you decide which facts you believe? The ones that you already agree with? Again, dangerous.

Who said that?

 

[msudaisy26]

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

This isn't Scott Galloway. This is every poster in the FFA.

Scott Galloway is sympathetic to young men, he is alarmed by what he sees.

They aren't doing anything. They have been cooped up in the house since they were kids, just long enough to develop a video game habit, and maybe some online gambling to boot, They don't go out and get laid, they don't socialize, they don't network, they don't exercise, they don't excel at anything. Anything goes wrong for them, they have a host of parents and teachers and Tik Tokers diagnosing them and telling them how unfair it is to them, which ios true, but that's how you wind with a couple generations of wimps with no social skills, no backbone, and no grit.

That is fair, but I disagree. When I grew up you heard the same stuff. Men aren't men anymore because they call AAA to change a flat, don't change their own oil, taking home ec class, can't drive a stick, like rap music, play too many video games, waited until women ask them out.

I think we turned out just fine.

This is what the previous generation thought a man is. Doesn't mean they are correct, that people/species doesn't evolve, or that we should think they need to be fixed or are ruining the world.

 

[the moops]

They aren't doing anything. They have been cooped up in the house since they were kids, just long enough to develop a video game habit, and maybe some online gambling to boot, They don't go out and get laid, they don't socialize, they don't network, they don't exercise, they don't excel at anything. Anything goes wrong for them, they have a host of parents and teachers and Tik Tokers diagnosing them and telling them how unfair it is to them, which ios true, but that's how you wind with a couple generations of wimps with no social skills, no backbone, and no grit.

This is completely untrue gramps

 

[bigbottom]

Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid. Plus isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work? Business provide goods or services to the consumer and if the consumer doesn't want these goods or services then the business can't survive and something else usually takes it place, or if you over saturated the market then only the best businesses survive.

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

Re your first point about capitalism, I don’t think he was making an argument in favor of more bars. He was simply stating an observation that with declining numbers of social settings for young people to interact, it is creating further isolation for young men.

As for your second point about old people complaining that the younger generations are ruining everything, I didn’t get that as his point at all. He sympathizes with rather than criticizes young men, and suggests that the rest of society is ignoring their struggles or even contributing to them in the name of profit.

I have long felt that male suffering is a problem in our society that is and has been largely minimized, criticized or ridiculed.

 

[Harry Manback]

Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid. Plus isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work? Business provide goods or services to the consumer and if the consumer doesn't want these goods or services then the business can't survive and something else usually takes it place, or if you over saturated the market then only the best businesses survive.

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

It’s really dangerous when people start believing their own opinions trump facts and research.

Because people have never skewed facts to make money.

So how do you decide which facts you believe? The ones that you already agree with? Again, dangerous.

Who said that?

I just did, are you not paying attention?

 

[Ilov80s]

The biggest numbers that I have seen cited over and over that not many people seem to give a crap about is the male to female 4:1 suicide rate and 1:2 college grad rate. Those are massive differences and symptoms of the issues driving a ton of our societal ills.

The male to female suicide rate has been a pretty consistent 4:1 for a very very long time. For example, in 1950 it was 3.8:1.

The college graduation rate isn't 2:1 in favor of women. It is closer to 60/40. Still alarming, but not as dire as you stated

Females still attempt suicide more often. They are just less successful because they are less likely to use as violent means. They are more likely to take pills for example where males are more likely to use a gun. To me a lot of that is just built in biological difference. Males are bigger risk takers. But also our society doesn’t promote social emotional openness among males the way it does females.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I would really like to see the proof that 40% of bars have closed since Covid. That's a staggering number. This guy throws numbers around absent any documentation or push back. Why is he being lionized exactly?

And I'm sure all the men he went after are busy watching Good Morning America to get his memo.

It's true, even some of the classics here in Florida that always made money were lost
Orlando, Miami and Tampa all got hit hard, bars with no kitchens and night clubs were turned on their heads during the pandemic

-Let's focus on these 18-24 year olds, almost half have never asked a girl out on a date...the follow up question to that should have been how many FWBs do you actively have in your life, that might have solved some of the mystery. Why do you need to go out on a date and spend money if you live in your parent's basement? You can bypass all that and visit her at her parent's basement

-It's like we've discussed in other threads, it use to be hard work when we were younger to obtain pictures of the female body vs the internet now - click click click
There is no effort required or less young men that are going to adhere to a more classic dating approach

 

[bigbottom]

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

This isn't Scott Galloway. This is every poster in the FFA.

Scott Galloway is sympathetic to young men, he is alarmed by what he sees.

They aren't doing anything. They have been cooped up in the house since they were kids, just long enough to develop a video game habit, and maybe some online gambling to boot, They don't go out and get laid, they don't socialize, they don't network, they don't exercise, they don't excel at anything. Anything goes wrong for them, they have a host of parents and teachers and Tik Tokers diagnosing them and telling them how unfair it is to them, which ios true, but that's how you wind with a couple generations of wimps with no social skills, no backbone, and no grit.

That is fair, but I disagree. When I grew up you heard the same stuff. Men aren't men anymore because they call AAA to change a flat, don't change their own oil, taking home ec class, can't drive a stick, like rap music, play too many video games, waited until women ask them out.

I think we turned out just fine.

This is what the previous generation thought a man is. Doesn't mean they are correct, that people/species doesn't evolve, or that we should think they need to be fixed or are ruining the world.

What you say rings true. But the examples you provide weren’t things that were causing unhappiness. I haven’t read the book yet, but it seems like the title may be a bit misleading if the themes of the book are the things discussed in the interview. It isn’t about young men not being manly or masculine enough, but whether they are struggling and why.

On balance, I think isolation is harmful to well being for most people, and with increasing numbers of young adults living at home, working remotely, not going to churches or bars or clubs to meet and interact with others in person, I sense a lot of young adults are struggling. It’s one of the primary reasons I hate remote work for people entering the workforce.

 

[Ilov80s]

His overall message is good. This isn’t some of the other people out there who are targeting lonely young males. He preaches being nice as the key to building relationships, warns about the Andrew Tate type of people filling these male role model voids in young men’s lives, being a good dad means being a good husband first, create opportunities for others, etc.

 

[msudaisy26]

Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid. Plus isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work? Business provide goods or services to the consumer and if the consumer doesn't want these goods or services then the business can't survive and something else usually takes it place, or if you over saturated the market then only the best businesses survive.

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

Re your first point about capitalism, I don’t think he was making an argument in favor of more bars. He was simply stating an observation that with declining numbers of social settings for young people to interact, it is creating further isolation for young men.

As for your second point about old people complaining that the younger generations are ruining everything, I didn’t get that as his point at all. He sympathizes with rather than criticizes young men, and suggests that the rest of society is ignoring their struggles or even contributing to them in the name of profit.

I have long felt that male suffering is a problem in our society that is and has been largely minimized, criticized or ridiculed.

But they have other places to socialize, whether it is online or new stuff that we didn't do at their age.

There are struggles that we didn’t have, just like we had struggles they didn't have. I agree with the profits over everything problem, but I don't think that is a new problem.

I completely agree with that last paragraph. That men's feelings have always been overlooked with the just suck it up and be a man mantra. Hopefully it gets a good progressive movement that helps, like other issues we have had in the past.

 

[Max Power]

Love it or hate it, we also need to acknowledge the internet is the biggest game changer for teenagers there has ever been. I believe it's changed society in ways we haven't fully comprehended yet.

 

[massraider]

On balance, I think isolation is harmful to well being for most people, and with increasing numbers of young adults living at home, working remotely, not going to churches or bars or clubs, I sense a lot of young adults are struggling.

Lack of network is huge. Getting anything going in a business or career is helped by network in a massive way. People hire and do business with people they like, and people they know.

I have an employee, 25 years old. Has some roommates, they work from home. Make really good money. They gamble on Draft Kings, play video games, and order Door Dash. They live in Philly and don't even try and meet women.

 

[msudaisy26]

Sorry if I went a little off topic. I don't believe what a man is in 2025 should be the same as it was 1985, or from 1985 to 1955 etc.

The other thing that bothers me is the kids are ruining the world or will ruin it. They need our support, not our pity. The people they are at 16 to 18, won't be the same when they are 25, and that person will be different again when they are 40. It is okay for them to be different, have different values even if it makes the older generations (us) uncomfortable.

 

[Jayrod]

The biggest numbers that I have seen cited over and over that not many people seem to give a crap about is the male to female 4:1 suicide rate and 1:2 college grad rate. Those are massive differences and symptoms of the issues driving a ton of our societal ills.

The male to female suicide rate has been a pretty consistent 4:1 for a very very long time. For example, in 1950 it was 3.8:1.

The college graduation rate isn't 2:1 in favor of women. It is closer to 60/40. Still alarming, but not as dire as you stated

I did not know the suicide rate discrepancy went back that far. I've always heard it stated as some recent development but that's still alarming in and of itself.

I've often heard the rate is skewed because males use more lethal methods, but I would guess that some of the female attempts are a cry for help more than a legit desire to die. If someone really wants to kill themselves there is no shortage of highly effective methods, even outside of guns.

I think the graduation rate is expected to reach the 66/33 mark in the near future, but has not hit that yet.

 

[the moops]

I did not know the suicide rate discrepancy went back that far. I've always heard it stated as some recent development but that's still alarming in and of itself.

I've often heard the rate is skewed because males use more lethal methods, but I would guess that some of the female attempts are a cry for help more than a legit desire to die. If someone really wants to kill themselves there is no shortage of highly effective methods, even outside of guns.

Suicide rates among veterans is twice that of the general population. That has gotta skew the number as well considering there are approximately 10 times more male veterans than female

 

[McBokonon]

I work with many men under the age of 30. I’m not seeing these stats.

maybe because those men have jobs? Maybe you're not seeing the ones whose economic prospects are poor.

I work in the restaurant industry. These dudes aren’t exactly titans of industry.

I assume these are in-person jobs. They might not be titans of industry, but one of his points was that remote work has taken another place to meet people away from many young people.

Thought-provoking video, definitely rings true in many ways. Also is a guy selling his book. One can recognize both of those at the same time. I’d be willing to check out his book/sourcing based on this, though.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

That’s why he’s trying to bring awareness to people who think like you do.

Awareness that bars are closing?

Yes. This is about bars closing.