NY Giants... reality check (1 Viewer)

[Interseptopus]

Why is every sports writer or analyst constantly saying the race for the NFC is between NYG and DAL? That was all the talk was until the Cowboys beat them into the ground week 10... I thought the talk would end there and GB would finally be mentioned in the same sentence as the Cowboys... still, the headline under the Thanksgiving Day game was "Can the Giants Catch the Cowboys?" Granted, they are in the same division, but no one seems to give respect where it's due... they'd rather give it to a team that quite frankly doesn't deserve it

I was watching ESPN prior to week 10's games and all the talk was about the Giants, how they were on a huge winning streak, and how the Cowboys would have trouble with them, and the Packers couldn't contain their front 4- one panel member even said he'd like to see the Packers play the Giants... ummm where was he week 2?

Let's take a look at NY's "amazing" winning streak that brought them into the spotlight...

24-17 over the Redskins... who took until recently to finally score a WR TD? Regardless, a respectable division win

16-3 over the Eagles... I'll give them another respectable division win, but they are hardly the Eagles everyone expected

35-24 over the Jets... the Jets are awful

31-10 over the Falcons... Wasn't Harrington still the starting QB at this point? Enough said

33-12 over the 49ers... I don't need to explain

13-0 over the Dolphins... winless

A combined opponent record (currently) of... 17-45... add on their win vs Detroit and the Giants have wins over opponents with a combined record of 23-50... hardly anything to be proud of

So why all the love?

I understand that GB and DAL don't have the toughest of schedules either, but it's time to stop making the Giants into something they are not. DAL and GB are clearly the front runners to the NFC title. Looking at the remaining schedule, even with a win next week, the Cowboys are likely to finish with the second best NFC record... but when your third best team is considered the Giants, they're a shoe-in for the NFC title game. The Giants have no shot at catching the Cowboys, no shot at doing anything in the playoffs... After week 2 there was talk about how bad the Giants really were... then they beat some awful teams and there's talk about how great they are. Which is it? I think it's fair to say the Giants are a mediocre team doing well in the wake of so many teams doing awful. Unfortunately, they'll finish 10-6 and get a draft choice that is much much lower than they truly deserve... next year they will lucky to have a winning record again and the fans will be wondering "what the hell!?" Well, you've been warned...

Now I'll get off my soapbox...

 

[az_prof]

Three reasons for the love:

1) HUGE TV market; so the media always love NY teams in playoffs

2) Eli Manning: the talking heads love the mannings and having them both in the playoffs give them endless dribble to talk about

3) the Giants DT is legitimate...and exciting to watch.

 

[Newslang]

I hav'nt seen anywhere where the Giants were higher then the Packers. If they are talking about the Giants catching Dallas they are talking about in the NFC East.

 

[AmpLee]

Why is every sports writer or analyst constantly saying the race for the NFC is between NYG and DAL? That was all the talk was until the Cowboys beat them into the ground week 10... I thought the talk would end there and GB would finally be mentioned in the same sentence as the Cowboys... still, the headline under the Thanksgiving Day game was "Can the Giants Catch the Cowboys?" Granted, they are in the same division, but no one seems to give respect where it's due... they'd rather give it to a team that quite frankly doesn't deserve itI was watching ESPN prior to week 10's games and all the talk was about the Giants, how they were on a huge winning streak, and how the Cowboys would have trouble with them, and the Packers couldn't contain their front 4- one panel member even said he'd like to see the Packers play the Giants... ummm where was he week 2? Let's take a look at NY's "amazing" winning streak that brought them into the spotlight...24-17 over the Redskins... who took until recently to finally score a WR TD? Regardless, a respectable division win16-3 over the Eagles... I'll give them another respectable division win, but they are hardly the Eagles everyone expected35-24 over the Jets... the Jets are awful31-10 over the Falcons... Wasn't Harrington still the starting QB at this point? Enough said33-12 over the 49ers... I don't need to explain 13-0 over the Dolphins... winlessA combined opponent record (currently) of... 17-45... add on their win vs Detroit and the Giants have wins over opponents with a combined record of 23-50... hardly anything to be proud ofSo why all the love? I understand that GB and DAL don't have the toughest of schedules either, but it's time to stop making the Giants into something they are not. DAL and GB are clearly the front runners to the NFC title. Looking at the remaining schedule, even with a win next week, the Cowboys are likely to finish with the second best NFC record... but when your third best team is considered the Giants, they're a shoe-in for the NFC title game. The Giants have no shot at catching the Cowboys, no shot at doing anything in the playoffs... After week 2 there was talk about how bad the Giants really were... then they beat some awful teams and there's talk about how great they are. Which is it? I think it's fair to say the Giants are a mediocre team doing well in the wake of so many teams doing awful. Unfortunately, they'll finish 10-6 and get a draft choice that is much much lower than they truly deserve... next year they will lucky to have a winning record again and the fans will be wondering "what the hell!?" Well, you've been warned...Now I'll get off my soapbox...

Jeeze why all the Giants hate? The whole NFC sans Green Bay and Dallas is pretty mediocre. And even those two teams will get stomped by New England or the Colts. Okay so you're either a Green Bay fan or a Dallas fan which is fine. Good for you.... Yes Bret Favre is the greatest thing that has ever graced the sport of football and Tony Romo is the second coming of Roger Staubach....

 

[jerseydevil20]

I understand that GB and DAL don't have the toughest of schedules

And unfortunately for NYG, two of those weak opponents were the Giants...

 

[Construction Man Jim]

Coughlin's a lame duck... Tiki's gone.. They're doomed without Petitgout... Eli's a bust... Shockey and Plax are head cases... It's only a matter of time before they implode...

Yet they're 7-3.

They've won the games they should have won. And there's something to be said for that. Especially considering the majority of prognosticators had written them off before the season even began.

The reality is they're are a pretty well-balanced and relatively healthy team in a weak conference. They have the talent to make some noise in the playoffs (this is a better team than the one that lost in OT in the Wild Card game last season). A lot can happen between now and January. There's absolutely no reason to count them out of anything at this point.

 

[nibbomydaets]

Coughlin's a lame duck... Tiki's gone.. They're doomed without Petitgout... Eli's a bust... Shockey and Plax are head cases... It's only a matter of time before they implode...Yet they're 7-3. They've won the games they should have won. And there's something to be said for that. Especially considering the majority of prognosticators had written them off before the season even began. The reality is they're are a pretty well-balanced and relatively healthy team in a weak conference. They have the talent to make some noise in the playoffs (this is a better team than the one that lost in OT in the Wild Card game last season). A lot can happen between now and January. There's absolutely no reason to count them out of anything at this point.

They keep getting brought up because they do have a talented football team. Besides LB they are solid on D, with a great DL. They have an offense that when Burress get's to 100%, has the possibility to be VERY dangerous. And like the above poster said. They're 7-3. A slip up here or there and the Giants are in the number 2 or even 1 spot. As a Cowboys fan I hope that isn't the case but every team in the NFL is 1 injury away from falling. And besides that, not every wants to hear how great Dal and GB are EVERY week of the season. Both teams would have to play a perfect game to beat the Pats so it doesn't matter.

 

[Newslang]

Coughlin's a lame duck... Tiki's gone.. They're doomed without Petitgout... Eli's a bust... Shockey and Plax are head cases... It's only a matter of time before they implode...

Yet they're 7-3.

They've won the games they should have won. And there's something to be said for that. Especially considering the majority of prognosticators had written them off before the season even began.

The reality is they're are a pretty well-balanced and relatively healthy team in a weak conference. They have the talent to make some noise in the playoffs (this is a better team than the one that lost in OT in the Wild Card game last season). A lot can happen between now and January. There's absolutely no reason to count them out of anything at this point.

 

[KiddLattimer]

They're not better than Green Bay or Dallas currently but they're a dangerous team who could knock one of them off in a 1 game playoff. If I'm an NFC team I would much rather play someone else.

 

[Mik789fl]

Why is every sports writer or analyst constantly saying the race for the NFC is between NYG and DAL? That was all the talk was until the Cowboys beat them into the ground week 10... I thought the talk would end there and GB would finally be mentioned in the same sentence as the Cowboys... still, the headline under the Thanksgiving Day game was "Can the Giants Catch the Cowboys?" Granted, they are in the same division, but no one seems to give respect where it's due... they'd rather give it to a team that quite frankly doesn't deserve itI was watching ESPN prior to week 10's games and all the talk was about the Giants, how they were on a huge winning streak, and how the Cowboys would have trouble with them, and the Packers couldn't contain their front 4- one panel member even said he'd like to see the Packers play the Giants... ummm where was he week 2? Let's take a look at NY's "amazing" winning streak that brought them into the spotlight...24-17 over the Redskins... who took until recently to finally score a WR TD? Regardless, a respectable division win16-3 over the Eagles... I'll give them another respectable division win, but they are hardly the Eagles everyone expected35-24 over the Jets... the Jets are awful31-10 over the Falcons... Wasn't Harrington still the starting QB at this point? Enough said33-12 over the 49ers... I don't need to explain 13-0 over the Dolphins... winlessA combined opponent record (currently) of... 17-45... add on their win vs Detroit and the Giants have wins over opponents with a combined record of 23-50... hardly anything to be proud ofSo why all the love? I understand that GB and DAL don't have the toughest of schedules either, but it's time to stop making the Giants into something they are not. DAL and GB are clearly the front runners to the NFC title. Looking at the remaining schedule, even with a win next week, the Cowboys are likely to finish with the second best NFC record... but when your third best team is considered the Giants, they're a shoe-in for the NFC title game. The Giants have no shot at catching the Cowboys, no shot at doing anything in the playoffs... After week 2 there was talk about how bad the Giants really were... then they beat some awful teams and there's talk about how great they are. Which is it? I think it's fair to say the Giants are a mediocre team doing well in the wake of so many teams doing awful. Unfortunately, they'll finish 10-6 and get a draft choice that is much much lower than they truly deserve... next year they will lucky to have a winning record again and the fans will be wondering "what the hell!?" Well, you've been warned...Now I'll get off my soapbox...

Maybe you just happened to tune in to ESPN when they were talking about The Giants. I watch ESPN,less now with the much better NFL Network available,and I've seen them talk about every team at some point. What would you have them do,just talk about Dallas and Green Bay? They need to appeal to a wide audience. I've even seen them talk about The Dolphins!

 

[Tanner9919]

Coughlin's a lame duck... Tiki's gone.. They're doomed without Petitgout... Eli's a bust... Shockey and Plax are head cases... It's only a matter of time before they implode...Yet they're 7-3. They've won the games they should have won. And there's something to be said for that. Especially considering the majority of prognosticators had written them off before the season even began. The reality is they're are a pretty well-balanced and relatively healthy team in a weak conference. They have the talent to make some noise in the playoffs (this is a better team than the one that lost in OT in the Wild Card game last season). A lot can happen between now and January. There's absolutely no reason to count them out of anything at this point.

as a Giants fan , I agree, butI'm still worried about the Coughlin second half collapse..Lets be honest, they didn't look good against Detroit, they got the win, but, it was too close for comfort..and that's what worries me about the Minnesota game...Minnesota has a terrific O-line that can run-block with the best of them...Jacobs is banged up,and they're playing against the best run D in the NFL..Eli will have to step up, and the defense will have to make some big plays, to give the Giants a chance against Minnesota..otherwise, Chester Taylor can rip them apart if they establish the running game early on..Giants *should* win, and that's what has me nervous about this game. Don't forget, the Giants are fond of committing momentum-stopping penalties, and eventually that's going to catch up with them...I just hope its NOT against Minnesota this weekend..

 

[Yenrub]

Isn't this "rant" about two weeks too late?

If this was posted before the Cowboy game I could understand the timing but now it just looks silly.

The Giants are one of the better teams in the NFC period.

Are the Cowboys and Packers better? Yes.

How many other teams in the NFC would you put ahead of the Giants right now?

 

[BigTex]

Everything I seen, read, and heard has Green Bay in the Superbowl playing the Pats.

 

[Interseptopus]

Coughlin's a lame duck... Tiki's gone.. They're doomed without Petitgout... Eli's a bust... Shockey and Plax are head cases... It's only a matter of time before they implode...Yet they're 7-3. They've won the games they should have won. And there's something to be said for that. Especially considering the majority of prognosticators had written them off before the season even began. The reality is they're are a pretty well-balanced and relatively healthy team in a weak conference. They have the talent to make some noise in the playoffs (this is a better team than the one that lost in OT in the Wild Card game last season). A lot can happen between now and January. There's absolutely no reason to count them out of anything at this point.

They keep getting brought up because they do have a talented football team. Besides LB they are solid on D, with a great DL. They have an offense that when Burress get's to 100%, has the possibility to be VERY dangerous. And like the above poster said. They're 7-3. A slip up here or there and the Giants are in the number 2 or even 1 spot. As a Cowboys fan I hope that isn't the case but every team in the NFL is 1 injury away from falling. And besides that, not every wants to hear how great Dal and GB are EVERY week of the season. Both teams would have to play a perfect game to beat the Pats so it doesn't matter.

Very good posting. Like itGood points were made by most in this thread.I agree, the Giants have won games they should have won. They do have a balanced D... as far as their offense though... Eli Manning is the same QB as last year- let's not forget that. The NFC is pretty mediocre overall, but I'd be more worried about teams such as the Redskins, Cardinals, Saints, Bucs than the Giants. They just don't scare me. Yes, they are a very well balanced team... this year we're seeing balanced teams win in the NFC, but overrated definately.All the love for the Pats lately... I think Dallas and GB could give them a run for their money... especially Dallas having faced them once already this year. I could go into detail how they could beat the Pats... but I won't- if you want PM me and I can explain- but basically both Dallas and GB could beat the Pats 4/10 times... so just hope whichever one faces them in the superbowl plays them one of those 4 times... not to mention I don't even think the Pats will make it to the big dance. Yes, I am picking them to lose to either PIT or IND. Call me crazy, but might as well with everyone else picking them to take it all.

 

[redjake]

The Gaints [sic] have the #7 rush D and held the Loins [sic] to 25 ground yards last week. If NY stops Taylor, and I suspect they probably will, Giant fans are looking at 8-3. A Cowboys loss to GB puts them 2 games back (tiebreaker) w/ 5 games left. Stranger things have happened and it isn't like NYG is some fly-by-night upstart.

I'm a born and raised Dallas fan and even I can see this. Don't write those bastards off.

 

[Aaronl5]

The Gaints [sic] have the #7 rush D and held the Loins [sic] to 25 ground yards last week.

I thought 25 rushing yards was good for the lions. Didn't they have like minus 18 in one game?

 

[Interseptopus]

Let me just say, at the risk of eating crow after today's second half of play, it's nice to see Eli Manning's true colors

Giants are awful

 

[Mario Kart]

 

[Gopher State]

Wow, unreal play by Vikings defense, but I think official NYG second half dive has started.

 

[Courtjester]

Just as a casual observer and not a Giants fan, their play calling is terrible and completely one dimensional.

I mean it is like they call one play to one person and they put themselves in a position where if that play isn't there, they have nothing to check down to.

Even my wife was commenting on how they are so predictable in their play calling (Eli is her FFL QB--OUCH!!)

 

[Judge Smails]

Just a horrendous effort. House of cards crumbling as predicted..

 

[jylly18]

As a Packer fan I would hate to see the Giants in the playoffs opposed to the other NFC (besides Cowboys) as on any given day they could be one of the best teams in the NFL or one of the worst. It's just such a crap shoot with Eli.

 

[dparker713]

As a Packer fan I would hate to see the Giants in the playoffs opposed to the other NFC (besides Cowboys) as on any given day they could be one of the best teams in the NFL or one of the worst. It's just such a crap shoot with Eli.

They need to sit Plax for a few weeks and let him heal up. He and Eli are completely night and day when he's healthy.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Wow. Just got their butts handed to them by the worst coached team in the league. Wow.

 

[ThePhillyKid]

The Giants still seem like a pretty complete team, but Manning is the wildcard.

Sometimes he just doesn't look like he has his head in the game.

He looked horrible today.

 

[AmpLee]

*puts bag over head*

Ouch they looked bad today....Eli was out of it

 

[dparker713]

*puts bag over head*Ouch they looked bad today....Eli was out of it

Im not so sure that it was all Eli being out of it.

 

[Raider Nation]

Why is every sports writer or analyst constantly saying the race for the NFC is between NYG and DAL? That was all the talk was until the Cowboys beat them into the ground week 10... So why all the love? I understand that GB and DAL don't have the toughest of schedules either, but it's time to stop making the Giants into something they are not. DAL and GB are clearly the front runners to the NFC title. The Giants have no shot at catching the Cowboys, no shot at doing anything in the playoffs...

 

[awesomeness]

Why is every sports writer or analyst constantly saying the race for the NFC is between NYG and DAL? That was all the talk was until the Cowboys beat them into the ground week 10... So why all the love? I understand that GB and DAL don't have the toughest of schedules either, but it's time to stop making the Giants into something they are not. DAL and GB are clearly the front runners to the NFC title. The Giants have no shot at catching the Cowboys, no shot at doing anything in the playoffs...

nice find.

 

[Bruno Tataglia]

 

[Bankerguy]

If the same officiating crew shows up...they have a chance against the Packers.

 

[wharf rat]

If the same officiating crew shows up...they have a chance against the Packers.

 

[timintey]

If the same officiating crew shows up...they have a chance against the Packers.

I'd be interested to hear what call(s) the officials blew yesterday that helped the Giants. Seems to me they missed quite a few false starts on Dallas...

 

[Green and Gold]

If the same officiating crew shows up...they have a chance against the Packers.

The officiating crew was a heck of a lot better than the Chargers/Colts crew. Maybe you're confusing the two?

 

[Koya]

If the same officiating crew shows up...they have a chance against the Packers.

REALLY? It's the OFFICIATING CREW'S fault? I mean, I have been fairly conciliatory toward Dallas fans, but that is a joke of a sentiment. I guess the Pass Interference that wasn't which gave Dallas a chance to stay in it meant nothing... you only are looking at calls that did not go your way.You might want to take off the rose colored glasses. Although in your defense, no reason to hurry. Y'all don't have another game for months now. What kills me is that the Giants if anything got way too conservative at the end. Whenever they needed to score in this game, they did. Eli looks very solid. You are going to blame the refs for absolutely wasting a 10 minute drive which could have propelled you to a TD lead at halftime and goodness knows what in the second half? Or blame the refs for all your mental mistake penalties?Dallas was outplayed and beat by the better team yesterday. (Although the Giants will probably get killed in GB)

 

[Koya]

If the same officiating crew shows up...they have a chance against the Packers.

I'd be interested to hear what call(s) the officials blew yesterday that helped the Giants. Seems to me they missed quite a few false starts on Dallas...

Oh yeah, I forgot that - Whitten (I think it was Whitten) in the backfield TOTALLY jumping a half second early and no call. Damn anti-Dallas refs!Its stupid comments like this that make me really enjoy beating Dallas. Over a decade without a playoff win might do that to you. The glory days are a long time ago it seems.

 

[Killerclown]

I thought the Dallas NYG was officiated fine, the officials did not decide this game

 

[Bankerguy]

The Ware "offside" penalty was BS. Lead directly to 7 points.

The Roughing the Strahan call. 15 yards for roughing the pass rusher...that's rich. The whistle had not blown, Davis was still blocking what exactly did he do? How is he suppossed to know when Romo releases the ball? I grew up playing th whistle....weird.

Manning also got away with an intention grounding. In the pocket and just threw to the open field (Under duressThe Romo Intentional Grounding should NOT have been called as he was under no duress. Read the rule book. He can throw into the upper deck if he wants.

The Brandon Jacobs tackle block (Errrr tackle) was my favourite......not sure who the blitzer was.

I agree they missed 1 false start on Witten as well.

 

[Koya]

The Ware "offside" penalty was BS. Lead directly to 7 points.The Roughing the Strahan call. 15 yards for roughing the pass rusher...that's rich. The whistle had not blown, Davis was still blocking what exactly did he do? How is he suppossed to know when Romo releases the ball? I grew up playing th whistle....weird.Manning also got away with an intention grounding. In the pocket and just threw to the open field (Under duressThe Romo Intentional Grounding should NOT have been called as he was under no duress. Read the rule book. He can throw into the upper deck if he wants.The Brandon Jacobs tackle block (Errrr tackle) was my favourite......not sure who the blitzer was.I agree they missed 1 false start on Witten as well.

1. I guess the answer then is "yes, I am only looking at the plays where the cowboys got hurt, and will ignore pass INT calls that should not have been made nor clear offsides committed by the cowboys. The only time the refs are wrong were when Dallas got the short end of the stick" = and even with those penalties, none should be used as an excuse for your team losing.2. Not only were none of the above penalties absolute game killers, but the Giants went into protection mode for most of the fourth quarter. Even had you gotten a couple of those calls (and even if you are still blind to the times the Giants got bad calls) the Giants still had every chance in the world to win the game.Why not just take responsibility and say the Cowboys did not play well enough to win?

 

[Bankerguy]

The Ware "offside" penalty was BS. Lead directly to 7 points.

The Roughing the Strahan call. 15 yards for roughing the pass rusher...that's rich. The whistle had not blown, Davis was still blocking what exactly did he do? How is he suppossed to know when Romo releases the ball? I grew up playing th whistle....weird.

Manning also got away with an intention grounding. In the pocket and just threw to the open field (Under duressThe Romo Intentional Grounding should NOT have been called as he was under no duress. Read the rule book. He can throw into the upper deck if he wants.

The Brandon Jacobs tackle block (Errrr tackle) was my favourite......not sure who the blitzer was.

I agree they missed 1 false start on Witten as well.

1. I guess the answer then is "yes, I am only looking at the plays where the cowboys got hurt, and will ignore pass INT calls that should not have been made nor clear offsides committed by the cowboys. The only time the refs are wrong were when Dallas got the short end of the stick" = and even with those penalties, none should be used as an excuse for your team losing.2. Not only were none of the above penalties absolute game killers, but the Giants went into protection mode for most of the fourth quarter. Even had you gotten a couple of those calls (and even if you are still blind to the times the Giants got bad calls) the Giants still had every chance in the world to win the game.

Why not just take responsibility and say the Cowboys did not play well enough to win?

They didn't play well enough to win. I agree. The reffing did not help. The Romo intentional grounding call was HUGE.

1-10-DAL 44 (7:00) 24-M.Barber up the middle to DAL 48 for 4 yards (53-R.Torbor; 28-G.Wilson).

2-6-DAL 48 (6:23) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short left to 82-J.Witten [72-O.Umenyiora]. PENALTY on NYG-25-R.McQuarters, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at DAL 48 - No Play.

1-10-NYG 47 (6:18) 9-T.Romo sacked at DAL 39 for -14 yards (55-K.Mitchell).

2-24-DAL 39 (6:18) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass deep middle to 82-J.Witten to NYG 41 for 20 yards (37-Ja.Butler) [98-F.Robbins].

3-4-NYG 41 (6:18) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass short middle to 82-J.Witten to NYG 30 for 11 yards (37-Ja.Butler). PENALTY on DAL, Illegal Formation, 5 yards, enforced at NYG 41 - No Play.

3-9-NYG 46 (4:23) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete deep right to 81-T.Owens (23-C.Webster). PENALTY on NYG-23-C.Webster, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at NYG 46 - No Play.

1-10-NYG 41 (4:16) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short left. PENALTY on DAL-9-T.Romo, Intentional Grounding, 10 yards, enforced at NYG 41. 2-20-DAL 49 (4:09) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short left to 84-P.Crayton [72-O.Umenyiora]. Pass incomplete at the New York 45 sideline.

Timeout #2 by DAL at 04:03.

3-20-DAL 49 (4:03) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete deep left to 81-T.Owens [91-J.Tuck]. Pass incomplete at the goalline.

4-20-DAL 49 (3:54) (Punt formation) 1-M.McBriar punts 39 yards to NYG 12, Center-91-L.Ladouceur, fair catch by 25-R.McQuarters.

Drive killer and likely cost Dallas a scoring chance. Even a FG would have been huge there.

The Int. Grounding penalty irks me because they even huddled to discuss it. Still get it wrong because they don't know the rules.

End rant.

 

[Koya]

The Ware "offside" penalty was BS. Lead directly to 7 points.

The Roughing the Strahan call. 15 yards for roughing the pass rusher...that's rich. The whistle had not blown, Davis was still blocking what exactly did he do? How is he suppossed to know when Romo releases the ball? I grew up playing th whistle....weird.

Manning also got away with an intention grounding. In the pocket and just threw to the open field (Under duressThe Romo Intentional Grounding should NOT have been called as he was under no duress. Read the rule book. He can throw into the upper deck if he wants.

The Brandon Jacobs tackle block (Errrr tackle) was my favourite......not sure who the blitzer was.

I agree they missed 1 false start on Witten as well.

1. I guess the answer then is "yes, I am only looking at the plays where the cowboys got hurt, and will ignore pass INT calls that should not have been made nor clear offsides committed by the cowboys. The only time the refs are wrong were when Dallas got the short end of the stick" = and even with those penalties, none should be used as an excuse for your team losing.2. Not only were none of the above penalties absolute game killers, but the Giants went into protection mode for most of the fourth quarter. Even had you gotten a couple of those calls (and even if you are still blind to the times the Giants got bad calls) the Giants still had every chance in the world to win the game.

Why not just take responsibility and say the Cowboys did not play well enough to win?

They didn't play well enough to win. I agree. The reffing did not help. The Romo intentional grounding call was HUGE.

1-10-DAL 44 (7:00) 24-M.Barber up the middle to DAL 48 for 4 yards (53-R.Torbor; 28-G.Wilson).

2-6-DAL 48 (6:23) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short left to 82-J.Witten [72-O.Umenyiora]. PENALTY on NYG-25-R.McQuarters, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at DAL 48 - No Play.

1-10-NYG 47 (6:18) 9-T.Romo sacked at DAL 39 for -14 yards (55-K.Mitchell).

2-24-DAL 39 (6:18) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass deep middle to 82-J.Witten to NYG 41 for 20 yards (37-Ja.Butler) [98-F.Robbins].

3-4-NYG 41 (6:18) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass short middle to 82-J.Witten to NYG 30 for 11 yards (37-Ja.Butler). PENALTY on DAL, Illegal Formation, 5 yards, enforced at NYG 41 - No Play.

3-9-NYG 46 (4:23) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete deep right to 81-T.Owens (23-C.Webster). PENALTY on NYG-23-C.Webster, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at NYG 46 - No Play.

1-10-NYG 41 (4:16) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short left. PENALTY on DAL-9-T.Romo, Intentional Grounding, 10 yards, enforced at NYG 41. 2-20-DAL 49 (4:09) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short left to 84-P.Crayton [72-O.Umenyiora]. Pass incomplete at the New York 45 sideline.

Timeout #2 by DAL at 04:03.

3-20-DAL 49 (4:03) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete deep left to 81-T.Owens [91-J.Tuck]. Pass incomplete at the goalline.

4-20-DAL 49 (3:54) (Punt formation) 1-M.McBriar punts 39 yards to NYG 12, Center-91-L.Ladouceur, fair catch by 25-R.McQuarters.

Drive killer and likely cost Dallas a scoring chance. Even a FG would have been huge there.

The Int. Grounding penalty irks me because they even huddled to discuss it. Still get it wrong because they don't know the rules.

End rant.

While the Romo Int grounding call was questionable, it was far from a terrible call. Yes, there was not someone right in his face, but the pocket had begun to collapse and Romo panicked. It was not as if he took the snap, noticed his guy was covered and got rid of the ball. There is some judgement to be made there so while it may not have been the right call, it was far from glaring imo. In fact, the moment it happened those of us who were Giants fans at the bar all jumped up immediately to call for a grounding call.

 

[Bankerguy]

The Ware "offside" penalty was BS. Lead directly to 7 points.

The Roughing the Strahan call. 15 yards for roughing the pass rusher...that's rich. The whistle had not blown, Davis was still blocking what exactly did he do? How is he suppossed to know when Romo releases the ball? I grew up playing th whistle....weird.

Manning also got away with an intention grounding. In the pocket and just threw to the open field (Under duressThe Romo Intentional Grounding should NOT have been called as he was under no duress. Read the rule book. He can throw into the upper deck if he wants.

The Brandon Jacobs tackle block (Errrr tackle) was my favourite......not sure who the blitzer was.

I agree they missed 1 false start on Witten as well.

1. I guess the answer then is "yes, I am only looking at the plays where the cowboys got hurt, and will ignore pass INT calls that should not have been made nor clear offsides committed by the cowboys. The only time the refs are wrong were when Dallas got the short end of the stick" = and even with those penalties, none should be used as an excuse for your team losing.2. Not only were none of the above penalties absolute game killers, but the Giants went into protection mode for most of the fourth quarter. Even had you gotten a couple of those calls (and even if you are still blind to the times the Giants got bad calls) the Giants still had every chance in the world to win the game.

Why not just take responsibility and say the Cowboys did not play well enough to win?

They didn't play well enough to win. I agree. The reffing did not help. The Romo intentional grounding call was HUGE.

1-10-DAL 44 (7:00) 24-M.Barber up the middle to DAL 48 for 4 yards (53-R.Torbor; 28-G.Wilson).

2-6-DAL 48 (6:23) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short left to 82-J.Witten [72-O.Umenyiora]. PENALTY on NYG-25-R.McQuarters, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at DAL 48 - No Play.

1-10-NYG 47 (6:18) 9-T.Romo sacked at DAL 39 for -14 yards (55-K.Mitchell).

2-24-DAL 39 (6:18) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass deep middle to 82-J.Witten to NYG 41 for 20 yards (37-Ja.Butler) [98-F.Robbins].

3-4-NYG 41 (6:18) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass short middle to 82-J.Witten to NYG 30 for 11 yards (37-Ja.Butler). PENALTY on DAL, Illegal Formation, 5 yards, enforced at NYG 41 - No Play.

3-9-NYG 46 (4:23) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete deep right to 81-T.Owens (23-C.Webster). PENALTY on NYG-23-C.Webster, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at NYG 46 - No Play.

1-10-NYG 41 (4:16) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short left. PENALTY on DAL-9-T.Romo, Intentional Grounding, 10 yards, enforced at NYG 41. 2-20-DAL 49 (4:09) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short left to 84-P.Crayton [72-O.Umenyiora]. Pass incomplete at the New York 45 sideline.

Timeout #2 by DAL at 04:03.

3-20-DAL 49 (4:03) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete deep left to 81-T.Owens [91-J.Tuck]. Pass incomplete at the goalline.

4-20-DAL 49 (3:54) (Punt formation) 1-M.McBriar punts 39 yards to NYG 12, Center-91-L.Ladouceur, fair catch by 25-R.McQuarters.

Drive killer and likely cost Dallas a scoring chance. Even a FG would have been huge there.

The Int. Grounding penalty irks me because they even huddled to discuss it. Still get it wrong because they don't know the rules.

End rant.

While the Romo Int grounding call was questionable, it was far from a terrible call. Yes, there was not someone right in his face, but the pocket had begun to collapse and Romo panicked. It was not as if he took the snap, noticed his guy was covered and got rid of the ball. There is some judgement to be made there so while it may not have been the right call, it was far from glaring imo. In fact, the moment it happened those of us who were Giants fans at the bar all jumped up immediately to call for a grounding call.

I have a great set of pics to illustrate that there was no one even near Romo.

 

[dparker713]

The Ware "offside" penalty was BS. Lead directly to 7 points.The Roughing the Strahan call. 15 yards for roughing the pass rusher...that's rich. The whistle had not blown, Davis was still blocking what exactly did he do? How is he suppossed to know when Romo releases the ball? I grew up playing th whistle....weird.Manning also got away with an intention grounding. In the pocket and just threw to the open field (Under duressThe Romo Intentional Grounding should NOT have been called as he was under no duress. Read the rule book. He can throw into the upper deck if he wants.The Brandon Jacobs tackle block (Errrr tackle) was my favourite......not sure who the blitzer was.I agree they missed 1 false start on Witten as well.

Unless Im mistaken about the play, the Manning throw there was a receiver near the play, and it looked like he broke off his route when Eli expected him to continue.There were several false starts missed on the Cowboys, not just Witten, though that was the most glaring. Did some calls go against Dallas that shouldnt? Yeah, but the call for illegal hands to the face against TO was bush league. It went both ways in this game, but Dallaas might have gotten more aggregate calls against because they were sloppier. On a percentage basis, the refs seemed fairly balanced.

 

[Bankerguy]

Here's the intentional grounding rule, exactly as it appears in the rule book:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Section 3 Fouls on Passes and Enforcement

Article 1 Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage because of pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Again, let me emphasize specifically what the rule says:

"Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage because of pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion."

It says the quarterback must be "facing an imminent loss of yardage because of pressure from the defense."

Not only that, but the rule book gives a specific approved ruling regarding cases when the quarterback is not under pressure:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A.R. 8.47 Second-and-10 on B20. Quarterback deliberately throws the ball out of bounds to stop the game clock.

Ruling: The pass was not thrown away to prevent loss of yardage. A’s ball third-and-10 on B20.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[dparker713]

The Ware "offside" penalty was BS. Lead directly to 7 points.

The Roughing the Strahan call. 15 yards for roughing the pass rusher...that's rich. The whistle had not blown, Davis was still blocking what exactly did he do? How is he suppossed to know when Romo releases the ball? I grew up playing th whistle....weird.

Manning also got away with an intention grounding. In the pocket and just threw to the open field (Under duressThe Romo Intentional Grounding should NOT have been called as he was under no duress. Read the rule book. He can throw into the upper deck if he wants.

The Brandon Jacobs tackle block (Errrr tackle) was my favourite......not sure who the blitzer was.

I agree they missed 1 false start on Witten as well.

1. I guess the answer then is "yes, I am only looking at the plays where the cowboys got hurt, and will ignore pass INT calls that should not have been made nor clear offsides committed by the cowboys. The only time the refs are wrong were when Dallas got the short end of the stick" = and even with those penalties, none should be used as an excuse for your team losing.2. Not only were none of the above penalties absolute game killers, but the Giants went into protection mode for most of the fourth quarter. Even had you gotten a couple of those calls (and even if you are still blind to the times the Giants got bad calls) the Giants still had every chance in the world to win the game.

Why not just take responsibility and say the Cowboys did not play well enough to win?

They didn't play well enough to win. I agree. The reffing did not help. The Romo intentional grounding call was HUGE.

1-10-DAL 44 (7:00) 24-M.Barber up the middle to DAL 48 for 4 yards (53-R.Torbor; 28-G.Wilson).

2-6-DAL 48 (6:23) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short left to 82-J.Witten [72-O.Umenyiora]. PENALTY on NYG-25-R.McQuarters, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at DAL 48 - No Play.

1-10-NYG 47 (6:18) 9-T.Romo sacked at DAL 39 for -14 yards (55-K.Mitchell).

2-24-DAL 39 (6:18) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass deep middle to 82-J.Witten to NYG 41 for 20 yards (37-Ja.Butler) [98-F.Robbins].

3-4-NYG 41 (6:18) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass short middle to 82-J.Witten to NYG 30 for 11 yards (37-Ja.Butler). PENALTY on DAL, Illegal Formation, 5 yards, enforced at NYG 41 - No Play.

3-9-NYG 46 (4:23) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete deep right to 81-T.Owens (23-C.Webster). PENALTY on NYG-23-C.Webster, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at NYG 46 - No Play.

1-10-NYG 41 (4:16) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short left. PENALTY on DAL-9-T.Romo, Intentional Grounding, 10 yards, enforced at NYG 41. 2-20-DAL 49 (4:09) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short left to 84-P.Crayton [72-O.Umenyiora]. Pass incomplete at the New York 45 sideline.

Timeout #2 by DAL at 04:03.

3-20-DAL 49 (4:03) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete deep left to 81-T.Owens [91-J.Tuck]. Pass incomplete at the goalline.

4-20-DAL 49 (3:54) (Punt formation) 1-M.McBriar punts 39 yards to NYG 12, Center-91-L.Ladouceur, fair catch by 25-R.McQuarters.

Drive killer and likely cost Dallas a scoring chance. Even a FG would have been huge there.

The Int. Grounding penalty irks me because they even huddled to discuss it. Still get it wrong because they don't know the rules.

End rant.

Yet the play before, with the penalty for hands to the face, that was completely above board? They were both questionable calls, yet you're only focused on the one that hurt the Cowboys.

 

[timintey]

I still think Barber fumbled on that last drive but we'll never know since they never replayed it. Should have been a booth review at least. He fell into his own guy, tried to get up, and I believe he then fumbled. Should have been Giants ball at that point and game over.

 

[Bankerguy]

The Ware "offside" penalty was BS. Lead directly to 7 points.

The Roughing the Strahan call. 15 yards for roughing the pass rusher...that's rich. The whistle had not blown, Davis was still blocking what exactly did he do? How is he suppossed to know when Romo releases the ball? I grew up playing th whistle....weird.

Manning also got away with an intention grounding. In the pocket and just threw to the open field (Under duressThe Romo Intentional Grounding should NOT have been called as he was under no duress. Read the rule book. He can throw into the upper deck if he wants.

The Brandon Jacobs tackle block (Errrr tackle) was my favourite......not sure who the blitzer was.

I agree they missed 1 false start on Witten as well.

1. I guess the answer then is "yes, I am only looking at the plays where the cowboys got hurt, and will ignore pass INT calls that should not have been made nor clear offsides committed by the cowboys. The only time the refs are wrong were when Dallas got the short end of the stick" = and even with those penalties, none should be used as an excuse for your team losing.2. Not only were none of the above penalties absolute game killers, but the Giants went into protection mode for most of the fourth quarter. Even had you gotten a couple of those calls (and even if you are still blind to the times the Giants got bad calls) the Giants still had every chance in the world to win the game.

Why not just take responsibility and say the Cowboys did not play well enough to win?

They didn't play well enough to win. I agree. The reffing did not help. The Romo intentional grounding call was HUGE.

1-10-DAL 44 (7:00) 24-M.Barber up the middle to DAL 48 for 4 yards (53-R.Torbor; 28-G.Wilson).

2-6-DAL 48 (6:23) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short left to 82-J.Witten [72-O.Umenyiora]. PENALTY on NYG-25-R.McQuarters, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at DAL 48 - No Play.

1-10-NYG 47 (6:18) 9-T.Romo sacked at DAL 39 for -14 yards (55-K.Mitchell).

2-24-DAL 39 (6:18) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass deep middle to 82-J.Witten to NYG 41 for 20 yards (37-Ja.Butler) [98-F.Robbins].

3-4-NYG 41 (6:18) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass short middle to 82-J.Witten to NYG 30 for 11 yards (37-Ja.Butler). PENALTY on DAL, Illegal Formation, 5 yards, enforced at NYG 41 - No Play.

3-9-NYG 46 (4:23) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete deep right to 81-T.Owens (23-C.Webster). PENALTY on NYG-23-C.Webster, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at NYG 46 - No Play.

1-10-NYG 41 (4:16) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short left. PENALTY on DAL-9-T.Romo, Intentional Grounding, 10 yards, enforced at NYG 41. 2-20-DAL 49 (4:09) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short left to 84-P.Crayton [72-O.Umenyiora]. Pass incomplete at the New York 45 sideline.

Timeout #2 by DAL at 04:03.

3-20-DAL 49 (4:03) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete deep left to 81-T.Owens [91-J.Tuck]. Pass incomplete at the goalline.

4-20-DAL 49 (3:54) (Punt formation) 1-M.McBriar punts 39 yards to NYG 12, Center-91-L.Ladouceur, fair catch by 25-R.McQuarters.

Drive killer and likely cost Dallas a scoring chance. Even a FG would have been huge there.

The Int. Grounding penalty irks me because they even huddled to discuss it. Still get it wrong because they don't know the rules.

End rant.

Yet the play before, with the penalty for hands to the face, that was completely above board? They were both questionable calls, yet you're only focused on the one that hurt the Cowboys.

Sure looked like a punch in the face to me.The Witten false start....I agree with.

The Romo call was huge and wrong. Just agree.

I'm not making excuses....just wanting to show how bad this crew was.

 

[dparker713]

Here's the intentional grounding rule, exactly as it appears in the rule book: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Section 3 Fouls on Passes and EnforcementArticle 1 Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage because of pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Again, let me emphasize specifically what the rule says:"Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage because of pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion."It says the quarterback must be "facing an imminent loss of yardage because of pressure from the defense."Not only that, but the rule book gives a specific approved ruling regarding cases when the quarterback is not under pressure:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------A.R. 8.47 Second-and-10 on B20. Quarterback deliberately throws the ball out of bounds to stop the game clock.Ruling: The pass was not thrown away to prevent loss of yardage. A’s ball third-and-10 on B20.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That ruling in no way helps you. Romo did not throw the ball away to stop the game clock. The game clock was of little concern at that point. Its a judgment call as to whether Romo was facing imminent loss and whether he threw the ball away because of pressure. You just dont like the judgment call of the officials.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I still think Barber fumbled on that last drive but we'll never know since they never replayed it. Should have been a booth review at least. He fell into his own guy, tried to get up, and I believe he then fumbled. Should have been Giants ball at that point and game over.

I would have like to see a replay for this as well. I was thinking the same thing.

 

[Bankerguy]

Here's the intentional grounding rule, exactly as it appears in the rule book: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Section 3 Fouls on Passes and EnforcementArticle 1 Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage because of pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Again, let me emphasize specifically what the rule says:"Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage because of pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion."It says the quarterback must be "facing an imminent loss of yardage because of pressure from the defense."Not only that, but the rule book gives a specific approved ruling regarding cases when the quarterback is not under pressure:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------A.R. 8.47 Second-and-10 on B20. Quarterback deliberately throws the ball out of bounds to stop the game clock.Ruling: The pass was not thrown away to prevent loss of yardage. A’s ball third-and-10 on B20.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That ruling in no way helps you. Romo did not throw the ball away to stop the game clock. The game clock was of little concern at that point. Its a judgment call as to whether Romo was facing imminent loss and whether he threw the ball away because of pressure. You just dont like the judgment call of the officials.

I don't like the mis reading of the rules.