NY Giants... reality check (1 Viewer)

[Neo]

I still think Barber fumbled on that last drive but we'll never know since they never replayed it. Should have been a booth review at least. He fell into his own guy, tried to get up, and I believe he then fumbled. Should have been Giants ball at that point and game over.

A giant had his hand on him moments before he started to go down....I don't think it was a fumble or that it would have been reversed and I'm a Giants fan.

 

[Koya]

I still think Barber fumbled on that last drive but we'll never know since they never replayed it. Should have been a booth review at least. He fell into his own guy, tried to get up, and I believe he then fumbled. Should have been Giants ball at that point and game over.

A giant had his hand on him moments before he started to go down....I don't think it was a fumble or that it would have been reversed and I'm a Giants fan.

I agree. No fumble. I don't think Barber got into the endzone on his TD - his knee was down before he lurched forward. That said, there was definately not enough evidence to overturn the call on the field so I dont have an issue with it.

 

[Neo]

I still think Barber fumbled on that last drive but we'll never know since they never replayed it. Should have been a booth review at least. He fell into his own guy, tried to get up, and I believe he then fumbled. Should have been Giants ball at that point and game over.

A giant had his hand on him moments before he started to go down....I don't think it was a fumble or that it would have been reversed and I'm a Giants fan.

I agree. No fumble. I don't think Barber got into the endzone on his TD - his knee was down before he lurched forward. That said, there was definately not enough evidence to overturn the call on the field so I dont have an issue with it.

Totally agree on the Barber TD as well....but no way it would of been proved. And I think TO's TD was a TD although a lot of Giants fans I was watching it with thought differently.

 

[Liquid Tension]

If the same officiating crew shows up...they have a chance against the Packers.

Could you explain this? Do you think that the Cowboys got the short end? I know of 4 definite penalties on the Cowboys that were not called and I think the call on Webster was bad (hands to the face on TO - TO knocked his hands into hos own face as quickly as possible). Also, while the play should not have been turned, I don't think Barber got in as his knee went down immediately. Edited to clean up my post

 

[Liquid Tension]

If the same officiating crew shows up...they have a chance against the Packers.

I'd be interested to hear what call(s) the officials blew yesterday that helped the Giants. Seems to me they missed quite a few false starts on Dallas...

at least two that were not called...Tivo confirmed

 

[Liquid Tension]

If the same officiating crew shows up...they have a chance against the Packers.

I'd be interested to hear what call(s) the officials blew yesterday that helped the Giants. Seems to me they missed quite a few false starts on Dallas...

Oh yeah, I forgot that - Whitten (I think it was Whitten) in the backfield TOTALLY jumping a half second early and no call. Damn anti-Dallas refs!Its stupid comments like this that make me really enjoy beating Dallas. Over a decade without a playoff win might do that to you. The glory days are a long time ago it seems.

Ahh that is right after I went through the game there were 3 false starts not called. There were also two hands to the face calls that should have been called on Dallas. One where O'Hara was forced to look straight up for 3 steps and another one Osi when he took a blow to the head...

 

[Bankerguy]

If the same officiating crew shows up...they have a chance against the Packers.

Could you explain this? Do you think that the Cowboys got the short end? I know of 4 definite penalties on the Cowboys that were not called and I think the call on Webster was bad (hands to the face on TO - TO knocked his). Also, while the play should not have been turned, I don't think Barber got in as his knee went down immediately.hands into his face for as brief a time as possible.

Ware ws not off-side...Tivo confirmed as did Joe and Troy. Directly led to 7 points as NY would have had to punt.The call against Strahan was riduclous.The Intention Grounding on Romo was called incorrectly and likely cost Dallas points.The Jacobs rodeo tackle of a blitzer was a high light as well.Not saying it was all one-side. The Witten false start was an obvious one. I thought the hands to the face on the DB was the correct call. What am I missing on that play? Corner punches/pushes TO in the face at the snap?.

 

[Koya]

I still think Barber fumbled on that last drive but we'll never know since they never replayed it. Should have been a booth review at least. He fell into his own guy, tried to get up, and I believe he then fumbled. Should have been Giants ball at that point and game over.

A giant had his hand on him moments before he started to go down....I don't think it was a fumble or that it would have been reversed and I'm a Giants fan.

I agree. No fumble. I don't think Barber got into the endzone on his TD - his knee was down before he lurched forward. That said, there was definately not enough evidence to overturn the call on the field so I dont have an issue with it.

Totally agree on the Barber TD as well....but no way it would of been proved. And I think TO's TD was a TD although a lot of Giants fans I was watching it with thought differently.

TO's TD looked like a TD to me and Im as much a Giants fan as they come. The "moving the ball" looked like tranfering the ball and securing it, not juggling.And even IF there was some juggling, it was obviously so unclear that you could never overturn the call made on the field.

 

[Liquid Tension]

If the same officiating crew shows up...they have a chance against the Packers.

Could you explain this? Do you think that the Cowboys got the short end? I know of 4 definite penalties on the Cowboys that were not called and I think the call on Webster was bad (hands to the face on TO - TO knocked his). Also, while the play should not have been turned, I don't think Barber got in as his knee went down immediately.hands into his face for as brief a time as possible.

Ware ws not off-side...Tivo confirmed as did Joe and Troy. Directly led to 7 points as NY would have had to punt.The call against Strahan was riduclous.The Intention Grounding on Romo was called incorrectly and likely cost Dallas points.The Jacobs rodeo tackle of a blitzer was a high light as well.Not saying it was all one-side. The Witten false start was an obvious one. I thought the hands to the face on the DB was the correct call. What am I missing on that play? Corner punches/pushes TO in the face at the snap?.

What you are missing was the DB's hands went up with TO and TO knocked his hands into his own face. It also was so instantaneous that it was questionableStrahan was held in the exact same way as Jacobs heldThe intentional grounding is a tough call as at that time he threw it away and nobody was right in his face, but he threw it away so that he wouldn't get a loss if held it longer as all his receivers were smothered. As a QB you are taught to rollout and get out the pocket and then throw it away.You are missing two other no doubt false starts (confirmed by Tivo).You are missing two hands to the face calls that should have been called on DallasIt is also possible Barber did not get inI did not think Barber fumbled like some people did.I will look at the Ware play again, but if I remember Troy got it wrong (as he did a few times). i will come back and confirm or not. (Help me out was that the one at the end of the half?The SD/Indy game was MUCH worse, but if anything the Giants got the short end of the stick on calls.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I still think Barber fumbled on that last drive but we'll never know since they never replayed it. Should have been a booth review at least. He fell into his own guy, tried to get up, and I believe he then fumbled. Should have been Giants ball at that point and game over.

A giant had his hand on him moments before he started to go down....I don't think it was a fumble or that it would have been reversed and I'm a Giants fan.

I agree. No fumble. I don't think Barber got into the endzone on his TD - his knee was down before he lurched forward. That said, there was definately not enough evidence to overturn the call on the field so I dont have an issue with it.

Totally agree on the Barber TD as well....but no way it would of been proved. And I think TO's TD was a TD although a lot of Giants fans I was watching it with thought differently.

TO's TD looked like a TD to me and Im as much a Giants fan as they come. The "moving the ball" looked like tranfering the ball and securing it, not juggling.And even IF there was some juggling, it was obviously so unclear that you could never overturn the call made on the field.

yes that was a TD

 

[TxBuckeye]

I thought the hands to the face on the DB was the correct call. What am I missing on that play? Corner punches/pushes TO in the face at the snap?.

Of course you do, because you are completely biased. No one will change your mind here. The Cowboys got outplayed and just plain beat, but you're a homer and so will argue the game was "stolen" from them unti the cows come home. We get it.

 

[Bankerguy]

I thought the hands to the face on the DB was the correct call. What am I missing on that play? Corner punches/pushes TO in the face at the snap?.

Of course you do, because you are completely biased. No one will change your mind here. The Cowboys got outplayed and just plain beat, but you're a homer and so will argue the game was "stolen" from them unti the cows come home. We get it.

Never once said that. I am discussing the officiating which was poor.

 

[Bankerguy]

If the same officiating crew shows up...they have a chance against the Packers.

Could you explain this? Do you think that the Cowboys got the short end? I know of 4 definite penalties on the Cowboys that were not called and I think the call on Webster was bad (hands to the face on TO - TO knocked his). Also, while the play should not have been turned, I don't think Barber got in as his knee went down immediately.hands into his face for as brief a time as possible.

Ware ws not off-side...Tivo confirmed as did Joe and Troy. Directly led to 7 points as NY would have had to punt.The call against Strahan was riduclous.The Intention Grounding on Romo was called incorrectly and likely cost Dallas points.The Jacobs rodeo tackle of a blitzer was a high light as well.Not saying it was all one-side. The Witten false start was an obvious one. I thought the hands to the face on the DB was the correct call. What am I missing on that play? Corner punches/pushes TO in the face at the snap?.

What you are missing was the DB's hands went up with TO and TO knocked his hands into his own face. It also was so instantaneous that it was questionableStrahan was held in the exact same way as Jacobs heldThe intentional grounding is a tough call as at that time he threw it away and nobody was right in his face, but he threw it away so that he wouldn't get a loss if held it longer as all his receivers were smothered. As a QB you are taught to rollout and get out the pocket and then throw it away.You are missing two other no doubt false starts (confirmed by Tivo).You are missing two hands to the face calls that should have been called on DallasIt is also possible Barber did not get inI did not think Barber fumbled like some people did.I will look at the Ware play again, but if I remember Troy got it wrong (as he did a few times). i will come back and confirm or not. (Help me out was that the one at the end of the half?The SD/Indy game was MUCH worse, but if anything the Giants got the short end of the stick on calls.

It was on the Toomer TD drive. I have watched it 100 times over at a Cowboy site. He NOT was not off sides.Again...I am not making excuses for the loss, they played like #### and deserved to lose. The officiating really sucked in my opinion though. The "grounding call" I have watched it several times. There is no one within 4 yards of Romo when he releases the ball. He is allowed to do it when not under duress.

 

[TxBuckeye]

I thought the hands to the face on the DB was the correct call. What am I missing on that play? Corner punches/pushes TO in the face at the snap?.

Of course you do, because you are completely biased. No one will change your mind here. The Cowboys got outplayed and just plain beat, but you're a homer and so will argue the game was "stolen" from them unti the cows come home. We get it.

Never once said that. I am discussing the officiating which was poor.

You directly said it changed the outcome of the score. So yes, you are saying it affected the outcome of the game. You might be using a lot of words to say it, but it IS what you're saying. More than once.

 

[Bankerguy]

I thought the hands to the face on the DB was the correct call. What am I missing on that play? Corner punches/pushes TO in the face at the snap?.

Of course you do, because you are completely biased. No one will change your mind here. The Cowboys got outplayed and just plain beat, but you're a homer and so will argue the game was "stolen" from them unti the cows come home. We get it.

Never once said that. I am discussing the officiating which was poor.

You directly said it changed the outcome of the score. So yes, you are saying it affected the outcome of the game. You might be using a lot of words to say it, but it IS what you're saying. More than once.

OK well it's one of many things that led to the loss.....how about that?It's not the main reason, but impossible to not look at it as having an impact. I love how when you try to explain your stance people want to push you to the opposite opinion of theirs to continue an argument.

 

[Liquid Tension]

If the same officiating crew shows up...they have a chance against the Packers.

Could you explain this? Do you think that the Cowboys got the short end? I know of 4 definite penalties on the Cowboys that were not called and I think the call on Webster was bad (hands to the face on TO - TO knocked his). Also, while the play should not have been turned, I don't think Barber got in as his knee went down immediately.hands into his face for as brief a time as possible.

Ware ws not off-side...Tivo confirmed as did Joe and Troy. Directly led to 7 points as NY would have had to punt.The call against Strahan was riduclous.The Intention Grounding on Romo was called incorrectly and likely cost Dallas points.The Jacobs rodeo tackle of a blitzer was a high light as well.Not saying it was all one-side. The Witten false start was an obvious one. I thought the hands to the face on the DB was the correct call. What am I missing on that play? Corner punches/pushes TO in the face at the snap?.

What you are missing was the DB's hands went up with TO and TO knocked his hands into his own face. It also was so instantaneous that it was questionableStrahan was held in the exact same way as Jacobs heldThe intentional grounding is a tough call as at that time he threw it away and nobody was right in his face, but he threw it away so that he wouldn't get a loss if held it longer as all his receivers were smothered. As a QB you are taught to rollout and get out the pocket and then throw it away.You are missing two other no doubt false starts (confirmed by Tivo).You are missing two hands to the face calls that should have been called on DallasIt is also possible Barber did not get inI did not think Barber fumbled like some people did.I will look at the Ware play again, but if I remember Troy got it wrong (as he did a few times). i will come back and confirm or not. (Help me out was that the one at the end of the half?The SD/Indy game was MUCH worse, but if anything the Giants got the short end of the stick on calls.

It was on the Toomer TD drive. I have watched it 100 times over at a Cowboy site. He NOT was not off sides.Again...I am not making excuses for the loss, they played like #### and deserved to lose. The officiating really sucked in my opinion though. The "grounding call" I have watched it several times. There is no one within 4 yards of Romo when he releases the ball. He is allowed to do it when not under duress.

OK, This was before the long play to Toomer (which btw Dallas didn't have to allow the Giants to convert the 3rd down play and then allow such a long play (poor job by them). But to the point. First, if he isn't lined up off sides he is extremely close, then he does move before the snap (no question about this), but he didn't make much progress...but because he is so close to the line (much farther than any other Cowboy I think he was offside (but it is very close). the problem is the angle is a little on an angle. Complaining about this is weak if you ask me when they missed 3 other early starts on the Cowboys.

 

[H.K.]

I thought the hands to the face on the DB was the correct call. What am I missing on that play? Corner punches/pushes TO in the face at the snap?.

Of course you do, because you are completely biased. No one will change your mind here. The Cowboys got outplayed and just plain beat, but you're a homer and so will argue the game was "stolen" from them unti the cows come home. We get it.

Never once said that. I am discussing the officiating which was poor.

As an unbiased observer, I agree that the Cowboys got jobbed on many critical calls. Hate to see a game like that have its outcome so impacted by bad officiating.

 

[Bankerguy]

If the same officiating crew shows up...they have a chance against the Packers.

Could you explain this? Do you think that the Cowboys got the short end? I know of 4 definite penalties on the Cowboys that were not called and I think the call on Webster was bad (hands to the face on TO - TO knocked his). Also, while the play should not have been turned, I don't think Barber got in as his knee went down immediately.hands into his face for as brief a time as possible.

Ware ws not off-side...Tivo confirmed as did Joe and Troy. Directly led to 7 points as NY would have had to punt.The call against Strahan was riduclous.The Intention Grounding on Romo was called incorrectly and likely cost Dallas points.The Jacobs rodeo tackle of a blitzer was a high light as well.Not saying it was all one-side. The Witten false start was an obvious one. I thought the hands to the face on the DB was the correct call. What am I missing on that play? Corner punches/pushes TO in the face at the snap?.

What you are missing was the DB's hands went up with TO and TO knocked his hands into his own face. It also was so instantaneous that it was questionableStrahan was held in the exact same way as Jacobs heldThe intentional grounding is a tough call as at that time he threw it away and nobody was right in his face, but he threw it away so that he wouldn't get a loss if held it longer as all his receivers were smothered. As a QB you are taught to rollout and get out the pocket and then throw it away.You are missing two other no doubt false starts (confirmed by Tivo).You are missing two hands to the face calls that should have been called on DallasIt is also possible Barber did not get inI did not think Barber fumbled like some people did.I will look at the Ware play again, but if I remember Troy got it wrong (as he did a few times). i will come back and confirm or not. (Help me out was that the one at the end of the half?The SD/Indy game was MUCH worse, but if anything the Giants got the short end of the stick on calls.

It was on the Toomer TD drive. I have watched it 100 times over at a Cowboy site. He NOT was not off sides.Again...I am not making excuses for the loss, they played like #### and deserved to lose. The officiating really sucked in my opinion though. The "grounding call" I have watched it several times. There is no one within 4 yards of Romo when he releases the ball. He is allowed to do it when not under duress.

OK, This was before the long play to Toomer (which btw Dallas didn't have to allow the Giants to convert the 3rd down play and then allow such a long play (poor job by them). But to the point. First, if he isn't lined up off sides he is extremely close, then he does move before the snap (no question about this), but he didn't make much progress...but because he is so close to the line (much farther than any other Cowboy I think he was offside (but it is very close). the problem is the angle is a little on an angle. Complaining about this is weak if you ask me when they missed 3 other early starts on the Cowboys.

Yeah maybe......just stating my opinion that he wasn't off side. Waree has been called for this a couple of times and it appears that his quickness and not actually being off side has gotten him flags.

 

[Liquid Tension]

If the same officiating crew shows up...they have a chance against the Packers.

Could you explain this? Do you think that the Cowboys got the short end? I know of 4 definite penalties on the Cowboys that were not called and I think the call on Webster was bad (hands to the face on TO - TO knocked his). Also, while the play should not have been turned, I don't think Barber got in as his knee went down immediately.hands into his face for as brief a time as possible.

Ware ws not off-side...Tivo confirmed as did Joe and Troy. Directly led to 7 points as NY would have had to punt.The call against Strahan was riduclous.The Intention Grounding on Romo was called incorrectly and likely cost Dallas points.The Jacobs rodeo tackle of a blitzer was a high light as well.Not saying it was all one-side. The Witten false start was an obvious one. I thought the hands to the face on the DB was the correct call. What am I missing on that play? Corner punches/pushes TO in the face at the snap?.

What you are missing was the DB's hands went up with TO and TO knocked his hands into his own face. It also was so instantaneous that it was questionableStrahan was held in the exact same way as Jacobs heldThe intentional grounding is a tough call as at that time he threw it away and nobody was right in his face, but he threw it away so that he wouldn't get a loss if held it longer as all his receivers were smothered. As a QB you are taught to rollout and get out the pocket and then throw it away.You are missing two other no doubt false starts (confirmed by Tivo).You are missing two hands to the face calls that should have been called on DallasIt is also possible Barber did not get inI did not think Barber fumbled like some people did.I will look at the Ware play again, but if I remember Troy got it wrong (as he did a few times). i will come back and confirm or not. (Help me out was that the one at the end of the half?The SD/Indy game was MUCH worse, but if anything the Giants got the short end of the stick on calls.

It was on the Toomer TD drive. I have watched it 100 times over at a Cowboy site. He NOT was not off sides.Again...I am not making excuses for the loss, they played like #### and deserved to lose. The officiating really sucked in my opinion though. The "grounding call" I have watched it several times. There is no one within 4 yards of Romo when he releases the ball. He is allowed to do it when not under duress.

OK, This was before the long play to Toomer (which btw Dallas didn't have to allow the Giants to convert the 3rd down play and then allow such a long play (poor job by them). But to the point. First, if he isn't lined up off sides he is extremely close, then he does move before the snap (no question about this), but he didn't make much progress...but because he is so close to the line (much farther than any other Cowboy I think he was offside (but it is very close). the problem is the angle is a little on an angle. Complaining about this is weak if you ask me when they missed 3 other early starts on the Cowboys.

Yeah maybe......just stating my opinion that he wasn't off side. Waree has been called for this a couple of times and it appears that his quickness and not actually being off side has gotten him flags.

Either way, I feel for you as losing a playoff game like that is tough when you expect to win.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I thought the hands to the face on the DB was the correct call. What am I missing on that play? Corner punches/pushes TO in the face at the snap?.

Of course you do, because you are completely biased. No one will change your mind here. The Cowboys got outplayed and just plain beat, but you're a homer and so will argue the game was "stolen" from them unti the cows come home. We get it.

Never once said that. I am discussing the officiating which was poor.

As an unbiased observer, I agree that the Cowboys got jobbed on many critical calls. Hate to see a game like that have its outcome so impacted by bad officiating.

Bankerguy now you know you are wrong when HK is on your side. I give HK credit for being consistent, consistently wrong, but that kind of consistency is very hard to find.

 

[Koya]

I thought the hands to the face on the DB was the correct call. What am I missing on that play? Corner punches/pushes TO in the face at the snap?.

Of course you do, because you are completely biased. No one will change your mind here. The Cowboys got outplayed and just plain beat, but you're a homer and so will argue the game was "stolen" from them unti the cows come home. We get it.

Never once said that. I am discussing the officiating which was poor.

As an unbiased observer, I agree that the Cowboys got jobbed on many critical calls. Hate to see a game like that have its outcome so impacted by bad officiating.

Bankerguy now you know you are wrong when HK is on your side. I give HK credit for being consistent, consistently wrong, but that kind of consistency is very hard to find.

Unbiased.

 

[ack34]

I thought the hands to the face on the DB was the correct call. What am I missing on that play? Corner punches/pushes TO in the face at the snap?.

Of course you do, because you are completely biased. No one will change your mind here. The Cowboys got outplayed and just plain beat, but you're a homer and so will argue the game was "stolen" from them unti the cows come home. We get it.

Never once said that. I am discussing the officiating which was poor.

As an unbiased observer, I agree that the Cowboys got jobbed on many critical calls. Hate to see a game like that have its outcome so impacted by bad officiating.

Bankerguy now you know you are wrong when HK is on your side. I give HK credit for being consistent, consistently wrong, but that kind of consistency is very hard to find.

 

[houndirish]

Methinks the Giants passrush that had Romo getting hit on almost every dropback of the second half had a lot more to do with the Cowboys loss than anything the boys in stripes did. Romo went from efficient and effective in the first half to skittish and inaccurate in the second. Biggest difference between the two was the Giants stopped the run after intermission and Osi and Stray solved Flozell and Columbo.

 

[moolojoe]

Hey Bankerguy, the international grounding call was questionnable, sure, but even though Romo was not getting pressured, he was about to, the pocket was collapsing and with pass rushers like Strahan and Umenyiora, it's pretty obvious Romo was feeling nervous and threw the ball away. Also, you seem to be focusing on a few plays that went agaisnt the Cowboys but you forget to mention the many false starts by Dallas OLinemen who weren't called by the refs and the Pass Interference against the Giants that should not have been called. Oh and are you seriously saying the refs made a bad call by calling a penalty against Dallas when the lineman was roughing Strahan? Strahan was on the ground, trying to get up, the ball was thrown and the Dallas lineman (Davis?) rushes Strahan head first while he's still on the ground. That was a great call. Take your homer glasses off, buddy.

 

[H.K.]

I thought the hands to the face on the DB was the correct call. What am I missing on that play? Corner punches/pushes TO in the face at the snap?.

Of course you do, because you are completely biased. No one will change your mind here. The Cowboys got outplayed and just plain beat, but you're a homer and so will argue the game was "stolen" from them unti the cows come home. We get it.

Never once said that. I am discussing the officiating which was poor.

As an unbiased observer, I agree that the Cowboys got jobbed on many critical calls. Hate to see a game like that have its outcome so impacted by bad officiating.

Bankerguy now you know you are wrong when HK is on your side. I give HK credit for being consistent, consistently wrong, but that kind of consistency is very hard to find.

I think if more people would search for the truth and not try to prove themselves right, it would be better for all of us because the responses wouldn't end up being personal attacks. they would be good discussion and reading.

 

[TxBuckeye]

I thought the hands to the face on the DB was the correct call. What am I missing on that play? Corner punches/pushes TO in the face at the snap?.

Of course you do, because you are completely biased. No one will change your mind here. The Cowboys got outplayed and just plain beat, but you're a homer and so will argue the game was "stolen" from them unti the cows come home. We get it.

Never once said that. I am discussing the officiating which was poor.

As an unbiased observer, I agree that the Cowboys got jobbed on many critical calls. Hate to see a game like that have its outcome so impacted by bad officiating.

Bankerguy now you know you are wrong when HK is on your side. I give HK credit for being consistent, consistently wrong, but that kind of consistency is very hard to find.

I think if more people would search for the truth and not try to prove themselves right, it would be better for all of us because the responses wouldn't end up being personal attacks. they would be good discussion and reading.

OMFG, talk about irony! That's irony with a capital I. And R. And O. And N. And Y. And 57,416 exclamation points.

 

[TxBuckeye]

OK well it's one of many things that led to the loss.....how about that?It's not the main reason, but impossible to not look at it as having an impact. I love how when you try to explain your stance people want to push you to the opposite opinion of theirs to continue an argument.

It's called disagreemnt and dissenting opinion. I'm pretty sure it's what this board is all about.

 

[harryhood]

Yea it took way to many posts for someone to finally realize that when Strahan gets knocked to the deck and is getting back up to pursue Romo, you cant drive your head into his back...thats a lot of things, especially a clip

Thats one glaring call Cowboy-Fanboys are arguing against that I just don't understand

 

[FWmaker]

All I know is that I am a very happy Giants fan right about now.

All the crying about penalties is just making it sweeter.

The Cowboys could've won that game, they just didn't "bring it."

 

[H.K.]

I thought the hands to the face on the DB was the correct call. What am I missing on that play? Corner punches/pushes TO in the face at the snap?.

Of course you do, because you are completely biased. No one will change your mind here. The Cowboys got outplayed and just plain beat, but you're a homer and so will argue the game was "stolen" from them unti the cows come home. We get it.

Never once said that. I am discussing the officiating which was poor.

As an unbiased observer, I agree that the Cowboys got jobbed on many critical calls. Hate to see a game like that have its outcome so impacted by bad officiating.

Bankerguy now you know you are wrong when HK is on your side. I give HK credit for being consistent, consistently wrong, but that kind of consistency is very hard to find.

I think if more people would search for the truth and not try to prove themselves right, it would be better for all of us because the responses wouldn't end up being personal attacks. they would be good discussion and reading.

OMFG, talk about irony! That's irony with a capital I. And R. And O. And N. And Y. And 57,416 exclamation points.

I agree 100%.

 

[Mik789fl]

All I know is that I am a very happy Giants fan right about now.All the crying about penalties is just making it sweeter.The Cowboys could've won that game, they just didn't "bring it."

I agree. I "celebrated" after the interception,then it got even better when T.O. cried like a baby,and now it's getting "more better" as the little boy's fans cry along with him. This is ecstasy without the pill.

 

[Bankerguy]

Hey Bankerguy, the international grounding call was questionnable, sure, but even though Romo was not getting pressured, he was about to, the pocket was collapsing and with pass rushers like Strahan and Umenyiora, it's pretty obvious Romo was feeling nervous and threw the ball away. Also, you seem to be focusing on a few plays that went agaisnt the Cowboys but you forget to mention the many false starts by Dallas OLinemen who weren't called by the refs and the Pass Interference against the Giants that should not have been called. Oh and are you seriously saying the refs made a bad call by calling a penalty against Dallas when the lineman was roughing Strahan? Strahan was on the ground, trying to get up, the ball was thrown and the Dallas lineman (Davis?) rushes Strahan head first while he's still on the ground. That was a great call. Take your homer glasses off, buddy.

I have re-watched the play several times and the pocket in NOT collapsing. Romo is under no duress and threw it away as he is entitled to in that situation. If you even watch the Side Judge come in to tell the head ref about the duress after Phillips talked to him (You could even read his lips). The 2 talk and the Head Ref still gets it wrong.The "Roughing the Strahan" call. A little more debateable. My question is.....how is a lineman who's back is to the QB supossed to see when the ball gets released. What happened to play to the whistle? Once again for the haters....the Cowboys deserved to lose. Just commenting on the reffing.

 

[harryhood]

The "Roughing the Strahan" call. A little more debateable. My question is.....how is a lineman who's back is to the QB supossed to see when the ball gets released. What happened to play to the whistle?

Banker, are we seeing the same play, or was i missing something. cause I could have swore strahan was trying to get up, to continue to pursue Romo, while a lineman dove face first into his back, preventing that action.....Here is the link, looks a lot like a penalty to me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgEvVik2mnU

 

[Bankerguy]

The "Roughing the Strahan" call. A little more debateable. My question is.....how is a lineman who's back is to the QB supossed to see when the ball gets released. What happened to play to the whistle?

Banker, are we seeing the same play, or was i missing something. cause I could have swore strahan was trying to get up, to continue to pursue Romo, while a lineman dove face first into his back, preventing that action.....Here is the link, looks a lot like a penalty to me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgEvVik2mnU

So at what point is he allow to block Strahan then? Does Strahan get a "time out" because he went down, the play is still live? Romo is known for scrambling around the pocket and O-Line needs to continue to block. Again, did the whistle blow? Was the hit malicous (Did he lead with a helmet, elbow)? I'm just saying. The ball comes out of Romo's hand only a mere second before Bigg drills him.

 

[netnalp]

The hands to the face on TO looked more like Webster went for a jam at the line and TO's right hand raised Webster's arm during a swim move, thus putting Websters hand in his face. It was the only play I considered ticy-tac.

 

[Bankerguy]

In a Radio interview....Jerry Jones said the league has already apologized for the Romo grounding penalty and admitted they were wrong.

 

[smitty63]

In a Radio interview....Jerry Jones said the league has already apologized for the Romo grounding penalty and admitted they were wrong.

The game is over, they lost, let it go. You only make yourself look like a whiner by complaining about every call made against the Cowboys. Excuses are for losers. There's always next year.

 

[Bankerguy]

In a Radio interview....Jerry Jones said the league has already apologized for the Romo grounding penalty and admitted they were wrong.

The game is over, they lost, let it go. You only make yourself look like a whiner by complaining about every call made against the Cowboys. Excuses are for losers. There's always next year.

OK...I am whiner.The Cowboys deserved to lose plain and simple. I am just happy to hear the league admit they blew an obvious call which many have argued with me. I'll digress.

 

[kentric]

I'm a Giant fan but I think there were two questionable calls against Dallas:

1. The intentional grounding - I was unaware of the lack of pressure rule (thanks for the info BG).

2. The personal foul on the hit against Strahan. Looking at the replay provided, the Dallas lineman didn't hit Strahan with his helmet. He went into him with his arms/shoulders. Did he hit him while the ball was away? Yes. Did he hit him in the back? Yes. Personally, I'd rather see things like this go. There has to be doubt as to whether the lineman actually saw the pass go. In such a circumstance, I think you need to let the game go on. It was a weak call IMO.

The Barber fumble wasn't a fumble (replays show his knee was down) and T.O.'s TD was a completion.

Did Barber clear the goal line on his TD? I don't believe so. Based on the angle, his knee looked down and I think he was short. Like others said however, it wasn't conclusive so they couldn't reverse the call.

 

[timintey]

In a Radio interview....Jerry Jones said the league has already apologized for the Romo grounding penalty and admitted they were wrong.

The game is over, they lost, let it go. You only make yourself look like a whiner by complaining about every call made against the Cowboys. Excuses are for losers. There's always next year.

OK...I am whiner.The Cowboys deserved to lose plain and simple. I am just happy to hear the league admit they blew an obvious call which many have argued with me. I'll digress.

Trust me the Giants have had their share of blown calls in big games before as well. Look back at the playoff game vs. SF a few years back. A blantant pass int goes uncalled on the botched FG at the end of the game and the Giants lose. That to me was way more game deciding that this grounding call.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Aside from arguing the penalty aspect of the play where Romo threw the ball away, somebody explain to me why he did it. He was not under duress yet he did not try to make a play with his legs through a run, or at least try to extend the play by getting outside of te pocket and letting his receivers work back to him. I found that strange because I thought that was his game. Was he shell shocked from the rush all day and hearing footsteps? Did he chock up under the pressure of a big game and go away from his style, playing tight? Or was the improvisational aspect of his play drastically oversold? I do note he had great success when he did extend plays with his legs, like his forward pitch to the T.E.

 

[Bankerguy]

Aside from arguing the penalty aspect of the play where Romo threw the ball away, somebody explain to me why he did it. He was not under duress yet he did not try to make a play with his legs through a run, or at least try to extend the play by getting outside of te pocket and letting his receivers work back to him. I found that strange because I thought that was his game. Was he shell shocked from the rush all day and hearing footsteps? Did he chock up under the pressure of a big game and go away from his style, playing tight? Or was the improvisational aspect of his play drastically oversold? I do note he had great success when he did extend plays with his legs, like his forward pitch to the T.E.

I can only speculate, but I would say he got an earful for taking the previous sack where he could have thrown it away. On this play, his first 2 reads were probably covered, so he just chucked it out of bounds. That is my guess?