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NY Gubernatorial candidate Lee Zeldin attacked by man with knife (not injured) (1 Viewer)

sho nuff said:
Yeah.  Completely unacceptable behavior that continues to happen.  This crap needs to stop.
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VIDEO: Democrats Calling for Riots & Harm to President Trump 2020 Sep 2, 2020

This video shows the hypocritical calls for riots and harm to our President

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw72Iiy6wqU

Direct Headline: Minnesota newspaper lists over 360 local businesses destroyed by riots

By Brian Flood June 3, 2020

https://www.foxnews.com/media/minnesota-newspaper-lists-over-360-local-businesses-destroyed-by-riots-with-maps-specific-details-of-damage

https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-st-paul-buildings-are-damaged-looted-after-george-floyd-protests-riots/569930671/

Direct Headline:  Here Are Just 10 of the Many Minority-Owned Businesses Destroyed in the Riots

Riots and looting undercut the economic foundation of urban and minority communities.

Brad Polumbo Friday, June 5, 2020

https://fee.org/articles/here-are-just-10-of-the-many-minority-owned-businesses-destroyed-in-the-riots/

Direct Headline:  ‘Everything Is Gone’: Looting Strikes a Second Blow to Reeling Businesses in Minority Neighborhoods

Along Philadelphia’s 52nd Street corridor, mom-and-pop stores suffered major damage. Many had been gearing up for revival after weeks of coronavirus shutdowns, and some now face the prospect of months before reopening, if ever.

By Scott Calvert and Ruth Simon June 3, 2020 4:03 pm ET

https://www.wsj.com/articles/looting-is-second-blow-for-reeling-businesses-especially-in-minority-neighborhoods-11591214595

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And where did this all start?

 
IvanKaramazov said:
It's not a "side" thing.  We, collectively, are creating a culture in which partisan politics is way too central to too many people's identities and simultaneously training those people to be maximally intolerant toward others.  That's not a recipe for a healthy, non-violent society.
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I never understood why people followed politics.  As I get older, I follow it a little bit more and I guess maybe a decent amount more than your average person.  I'm totally coming around to the idea that this is social media driven more than more conventional media driven.  I don't think these people truly follow politics - they follow people on Twitter, FB, TikTok, etc. that get them all riled up.

 
Rich Conway said:
Weird angle on the video posted; makes it hard to see exactly where the security was and what they were/weren't doing.

I did notice this from the article: "Zeldin is an Army Reserve lieutenant colonel..."  May have picked the wrong guy to mess with?

In any case, this stuff needs to stop.  Civilized people don't threaten our political figures, we vote them out.
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Another thing that is odd Rich, is there are usually a lot of people recording.  Like you pointed out, there was just the one angle.  

 
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FairWarning said:
Another thing that is odd Rich, is there are usually a lot of people recording.  Like you pointed out, there was just the one angle.  
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To be fair, I looked at that one because it's the link @John123 posted (and good on him for including links).  There may well be other videos/angles out there, I just haven't looked.  I would think there should be some sort of official recording of a campaign event, probably?

 
squistion said:
Ted Lieu @tedlieu 1h

US House candidate, CA-36

I condemn the attack on Lee Zeldin. Political violence in all its forms is unacceptable, whether it is assaulting a police officer on Jan 6; or threatening @RepJayapal at her home while carrying a gun; or issuing death threats to execute @RepKinzinger and his wife and baby.

https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1550510693132034048
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Nothing about Kavanaugh, huh?  Not surprising. 

 
Alex P Keaton said:
Sure you do.  Trump.  Mob.  Jan 6th.  It’s not a complicated analogy for a smart guy like you.  (No sarcasm - you are a smart guy)
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Yeah I actually don't think Trump telling people to make their voices peacefully and patriotically heard is on the same level as singling out a political adversary as a dangerous right wing extremist and then posting where they can find that person. 

 
timschochet said:
There’s no evidence of this. As I wrote: 1860s, 1890s, 1930s, 1960s. We are a violent society but it is cyclical. I reject your pessimism in the same way I reject the pessimism of the environmentalists. We have real problems in our society but we can and will solve them. 
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If you haven't already, you should read The Fourth Turning by Neil Howe. We are currently experiencing a 4th turning. And I agree with your final statement, though things may get a lot worse before the tide finally turns again.

 
AAABatteries said:
I know little about Lieu so maybe that's fair but coming up with a list of examples seems like it would be easy to leave one out.  Is that something that seems like Lieu would do intentionally?  
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My recollection is he is extremely partisan, so yes I do think he would do it intentionally.  It's not like Kavanaugh is the only example.  But he purposely listed a bunch of high profile Dem incidents.  If I were him, and wanted to be bipartisan, I would have found an incident involving the other side of the aisle.  It's not like he doesn't have staff that he could task with doing that.  They probably wrote the tweet for him anyways.

 
John123 said:
My recollection is he is extremely partisan, so yes I do think he would do it intentionally.  It's not like Kavanaugh is the only example.  But he purposely listed a bunch of high profile Dem incidents.  If I were him, and wanted to be bipartisan, I would have found an incident involving the other side of the aisle.  It's not like he doesn't have staff that he could task with doing that.  They probably wrote the tweet for him anyways.
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Kizinger isn’t a Democrat. and doesn’t the tweet begin with condemning what just took place? 
 

I think you’re reading too much into this because you want it to be so. 

 
Is the purpose of this thread to condemn the violence or is the purpose of this thread to put forth the argument that liberals are responsible for the violence? Because it sure sounds like the latter from a few people here. 

 
Interested to read incident report - seems odd that he was released with no bond. And I fully understand, and agree, with bail reform.

However, if this was a stabbing, doesn’t seem to fit with a crime that has no bail.

 
timschochet said:
Is the purpose of this thread to condemn the violence or is the purpose of this thread to put forth the argument that liberals are responsible for the violence? Because it sure sounds like the latter from a few people here. 
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Wouldn't the purpose of the thread be defined by the OP, not who responded or how they responded? 

 
timschochet said:
Is the purpose of this thread to condemn the violence or is the purpose of this thread to put forth the argument that liberals are responsible for the violence? Because it sure sounds like the latter from a few people here. 
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:yes:

I haven't read all the posts in the thread, but Gordon Gekko has been blaming Kathy Hochul for this attack for calling Zeldin in "a dangerous far-right extremist." I don't see the connection and AOC has been called a "left wing extremist" dozens of times by her critics but I wouldn't blame them if someone attacked her (not knowing the specific background and motivations of the attacker).

 
timschochet said:
Is the purpose of this thread to condemn the violence or is the purpose of this thread to put forth the argument that liberals are responsible for the violence? Because it sure sounds like the latter from a few people here. 
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Remember how some were reacting to the Roe V Wade protests....

 
squistion said:
:yes:

I haven't read all the posts in the thread, but Gordon Gekko has been blaming Kathy Hochul for this attack for calling Zeldin in "a dangerous far-right extremist." I don't see the connection and AOC has been called a "left wing extremist" dozens of times by her critics but I wouldn't blame them if someone attacked her (not knowing the specific background and motivations of the attacker).
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Kathy Hochul also sent out the details on where Lee Zeldin was speaking, essentially asking her supporters to at best crash his speech or at worst....Well we know what happened don't we? 

 
John123 said:
Kathy Hochul also sent out the details on where Lee Zeldin was speaking, essentially asking her supporters to at best crash his speech or at worst....Well we know what happened don't we? 
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No, she didn't ask her supporters to physically attack him either directly or indirectly. 

 
John123 said:
Nothing about Kavanaugh, huh?  Not surprising. 
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John123 said:
My recollection is he is extremely partisan, so yes I do think he would do it intentionally.  It's not like Kavanaugh is the only example.  But he purposely listed a bunch of high profile Dem incidents.  If I were him, and wanted to be bipartisan, I would have found an incident involving the other side of the aisle.  It's not like he doesn't have staff that he could task with doing that.  They probably wrote the tweet for him anyways.
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Seems like it was only yesterday Steve Scalise almost died at congressional baseball game.

 
timschochet said:
Is the purpose of this thread to condemn the violence or is the purpose of this thread to put forth the argument that liberals are responsible for the violence? Because it sure sounds like the latter from a few people here. 
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Maybe it's just to highlight inconsistencies 

 
timschochet said:
Is the purpose of this thread to condemn the violence or is the purpose of this thread to put forth the argument that liberals are responsible for the violence? Because it sure sounds like the latter from a few people here. 
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Yeah, well, we've seen what happened across the country over the last 6 years from the left.  It's a reputation well earned. 

 
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AAABatteries said:
I know little about Lieu so maybe that's fair but coming up with a list of examples seems like it would be easy to leave one out.  Is that something that seems like Lieu would do intentionally?  
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VIDEO: Rep. Ted Lieu plays recording of Candace Owens statement on Adolf Hitler (C-SPAN) Apr 9, 2019

Rep. Ted Lieu plays recording of Candace Owens: "I don't know Ms. Owens. I'm not going to characterize her. I'm going to let her own words do the talking. So, I'm going to play for you the first 30 seconds of a statement she made about Adolf Hitler."

Candace Owens: "I think it's pretty apparent that Mr. Lieu believes that black people are stupid and will not pursue the full clip…That was unbelievably dishonest…I'm deeply offended by the insinuation of revealing that clip without the question that was asked of me."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-poqjet5mY

TWEET/VIDEO: John Whitehouse+ XX@XX existentialfish

Here is video of Candace Owens' full answer on nationalism and Hitler

'I actually don't have any problems at all with the word "nationalism." I think that it gets – the definition gets poisoned by elitists that actually want globalism. Globalism is actually what I don't want. 

'So when you think about, whenever we use the word "nationalism" the first think people think about, at least in America, is Hitler. You know, he was a national socialist, but if Hitler had just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, okay, fine. 

'The problem is, is that he wanted – he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize, he wanted everybody to be German, everybody to be speaking German, everybody to look a different way. That's not, to me, that's not nationalism. 

'So in thinking about how we could go bad, down the line, I don't really have an issue with nationalism. I really don't. I think that it's okay. It's important to maintain your country's identity and to make sure that what's happening here, which I think is incredibly worrisome in terms of the decrease in the birth rate that we're seeing in the UK, is kinda what you want to avoid. 

'So I'm not, I don't have any big problems with nationalism. it's globalism that I try to avoid.'

9:24 AM  Feb 8, 2019

https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1093923658446323712

VIDEO: Candace Owens Revisits Her Viral Debate w/Rep. Ted Lieu Dec 21, 2021

In the clip, Owens, the communications director for Turning Point USA, explains that she thinks the word "nationalism" has been "poisoned" by "elitists that actually want globalism" and who conflate the word with Hitler's Nazi agenda.  "You know, he was a National Socialist, but if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, okay fine...The problem is he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize. He wanted everybody to be German.....I think it's pretty apparent that Mr. Lieu believes that black people are stupid and will not pursue the full clip in its entirety," Owens said Tuesday when she did get a chance to respond. "He purposely presented an extracted clip....."

Hearing the word 'stupid,' chairman Jerry Nadler leapt in. 'It is not proper to refer disparagingly to a member of the committee. ... the witness may not refer to a member of the committee as "stupid",' he ordered.

'I didn't refer to him as stupid,' she shot back. 'That's not what I said. That's not what I said at all. You didn't listen to what I said....He purposefully extracted, he cut off, and you didn't hear the question that was asked of me. He's trying to present as though I was mounting a defense of Hitler in Germany,' she boomed, 'when in fact the question that was asked of me was pertaining to whether or not ... I believed in nationalism, and that nationalism was bad....And I responded that I do not believe that we should be characterizing Hitler as a nationalist. He was a homicidal, psychopathic maniac that killed his own people. A nationalist would not kill their own people....'

Owens also said she works with Prager University, an online extension learning program, 'which is run by an Orthodox Jew.' She told the hearing room that she had 'sat on a plane for 18 hours' to attend the May 2018 opening of the U.S. embassy in Jerusalem. 'Not a single Democrat showed up,' Owens said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZpUxO0OXhA

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Ted Lieu tried to cook off a cut down clip of Candace Owens to make it seem like she was someone who generally defended Adolf Hitler and what the Nazis did in WW2.

Of course it backfired. Nadler backed down because he could imagine right there the video going viral and that he would lose Jewish donors and black donors together down the ticket over it. Lieu backed down because he's not a brand name Democrat enough to avoid getting his "burn rate" gutted by Nancy Pelosi if the conflict spread too far into the national daily media cycle and further pushed the narrative that Team Blue has far too many elected officials who are generally antisemitic. Also while liberal blacks might not like Candace Owens for being Conservative, she is still African American and that's ugly overall optics.

Ted Lieu is incompetent. He tried to railroad a black woman with Godwin's Law and had it backfire in the national daily media cycle. So yes, of course he would say something so disgusting about the Zeldin situation.

You are woefully bad at sealioning. The problem with empty virtue signaling is that it's empty. What was stopping you from researching Lieu yourself? Just lazy. If you are going to be a sea lion, be one with a work ethic.  No wonder this place lost so many good posters in all the years I was gone.

 
Candace Owens is not smart and not a good person. Ted Lieu’s representation of her was completely accurate. Owen’s complete statement was far worse than Lieu’s editing; he was being kind to her. 

 
John123 said:
My recollection is he is extremely partisan, so yes I do think he would do it intentionally.  It's not like Kavanaugh is the only example.  But he purposely listed a bunch of high profile Dem incidents.  If I were him, and wanted to be bipartisan, I would have found an incident involving the other side of the aisle.  It's not like he doesn't have staff that he could task with doing that.  They probably wrote the tweet for him anyways.
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:confused:

He listed three incidents

Lee Zeldin - republican

Pramila Jayapal - democrat

Ada Kinzinger - republican

 
HellToupee said:
Of course not. She’s a republican. I understand where you’re coming from.
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Really sad sir. If I told you that Maxine Waters was not smart and not a good person (two statements I absolutely believe to be true)  you would probably agree with me. But you don’t agree with me when it’s someone on your side. Which is your problem not mine. 
 

Incidentally Candace Owens isn’t a Republican in the traditional sense. She is a nationalist, a nativist, a bigot and racist, an isolationist. These are not Republican values. 

 
I can't believe this needs to be explained to people, but the three other incidents of political violence the Lieu mentioned were all selected to remind the audience that members of the red tribe are the real enemy here.  Let's at least be honest about the message being communicated.

Obviously Ted Lieu is not to blame for anyone being stabbed.  The invocation of tribalism is just gross is all.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I can't believe this needs to be explained to people, but the three other incidents of political violence the Lieu mentioned were all selected to remind the audience that members of the red tribe are the real enemy here.  Let's at least be honest about the message being communicated.

Obviously Ted Lieu is not to blame for anyone being stabbed.  The invocation of tribalism is just gross is all.
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Except that he started off talking about Zeldin. 
 

Im not surprised to read the paranoia from conservatives about Lieu’s tweet. I’m a little surprised to read it from you. 

 
timschochet said:
Except that he started off talking about Zeldin. 
 

Im not surprised to read the paranoia from conservatives about Lieu’s tweet. I’m a little surprised to read it from you. 
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You're the one who just called Candace Owen stupid and a bad person.  Someone is suffering from paranoia (and propaganda), and it's certainly not Ivan.

 
timschochet said:
Except that he started off talking about Zeldin. 
 

Im not surprised to read the paranoia from conservatives about Lieu’s tweet. I’m a little surprised to read it from you. 
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Yes.  He mentioned Zeldin because it would have been incredibly weird not to.  Then he immediately pivoted to three instances of right-wingers behaving badly (not hard to find, of course).  That's what you do when you want to deflect.  We see people do stuff like that here all the time -- it's the internet i-fight equivalent of running off tackle.

I mean, if I started a thread condemning the guy who stalked Primala Jayapal and the only other things I talked about where Kavanaugh, Steve Scalice, and Bill Ayers, you would have no problem spotting the idiotic partisanship there.  You can't see it here because you're part of the blue tribe, and Lieu is speaking to keep you focused on the real enemy.

 
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timschochet said:
Candace Owens is not smart and not a good person. Ted Lieu’s representation of her was completely accurate. Owen’s complete statement was far worse than Lieu’s editing; he was being kind to her. 
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VIDEO: 'The most horrific displays of hate I've ever seen' | Portland police describe protests (full video) Aug 6, 2020

Raw interview: Three members of the Portland Police Bureau spoke to the media on Thursday afternoon to share personal experiences while working the front lines of Portland protests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMe2hou_sgE

VIDEO: Molotov Cocktails Thrown, Riot Declared - Day 100 of the Portland Protests Sep 6, 2020

A man was lit on fire after Molotov cocktails were thrown shortly after 9 pm at the Portland Protests last night. Police declared a riot within seconds, firing off teargas to the crowd to try to disperse them from Ventura Park.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPQrIRMCZmg

VIDEO: Riots, arrests as protests pass 100 days in Portland Sep 7, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3_4xjrOESQ

VIDEO: Downtown Portland businesses face rising insurance costs, decreased coverage after riots Jan 5, 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE_2L3o5wNA

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What Ted Lieu is not going to cover is that Zeldin's assassination attempt was predictable. It didn't just happen out of the "Blue"

It was the culmination, just like Kavanaugh and Jayapal, of incitement and enabling and public policy and intentional indifference towards politically related widespread violence.

It's even worse that Hochul is openly defying SCOTUS, passing a bill in the middle of the night, that has no chance to survive legal scrutiny. Delaying someone their rights, even if you don't agree, creates irreparable harm. Doing it intentionally in bad faith is abuse of office. That's a legal reality in this country.

Of course Ted Lieu was to say something stupid and tone deaf and partisan, he wants to enter the national daily media cycle for it.  That's it. He needs his name in the paper and on TV for his future reelection.

 
quick-hands said:
That's ok he doesn't know you either.
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He's turned up in my TL a few times, and every time it's been because he was being a tool.  

But the problem is that I don't follow any politicians.  And the folks who I follow aren't the type to follow politicians.  So the only time I ever see anything from an elected official is when someone intentionally places them in my TL.  Every once in a while, someone will do that because a member of congress said something smart, wise, or inspirational.  I'd estimate that that happens about 1% of the time.  The other 99% of the time, this politician is being put in my TL in the spirit of "Get a load of this #######."  

So where I'm going with this is that 100% of the news items I've ever seen about Ted Lieu are very negative.  But that statement would be true for any politician, because I only ever see their stupid and toolish tweets, never their good tweets.  So as a good Bayesian, I have to keep in mind that me seeing bad tweets from this person doesn't really tell me much about them. 

(In this case, I guess I just have squistion to thank for bringing this tweet to my attention.  I'm not seeing it anywhere else.)

 
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timschochet said:
Except that he started off talking about Zeldin.  Im not surprised to read the paranoia from conservatives about Lieu’s tweet. I’m a little surprised to read it from you. 
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VIDEO: PROTESTS - RIOTS - LOOTING | COMPILATION | JUNE 5 2020 Jun 5, 2020

Compilation of protests, riots, police and looting from late may and June 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y9A-UDlrSM

VIDEO: PROTESTS RIOTS LOOTING | May 2020 Compilation Jun 1, 2020

Compilation of the protests and riots and looting happening in 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSxt8DPWGA8

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The best way to handle your trolling and sealioning Tim is to keep posting up the ramp in and pattern of violence that culminated into these recent assassination attempts.

 
timschochet said:
Really sad sir. If I told you that Maxine Waters was not smart and not a good person (two statements I absolutely believe to be true)  you would probably agree with me. But you don’t agree with me when it’s someone on your side. Which is your problem not mine. 
 

Incidentally Candace Owens isn’t a Republican in the traditional sense. She is a nationalist, a nativist, a bigot and racist, an isolationist. These are not Republican values. 
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VIDEO: Sen. Kamala Harris: The Nationwide Protests Are A Movement. They're Not Going To Stop Jun 18, 2020

Senator Kamala Harris joined protesters in Washington, D.C. recently and she is following the movement closely enough to understand that this push for equal justice is not going to stop, even after Election Day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTg1ynIPGls

".... (Daily Caller  May 29, 2020)... An entire police station has now been set on fire.... in Minneapolis.... police and firefighters have been instructed to stand down...."

 ".... ( Matt Walsh May 31, 2020) .... they beat him... stomped on his entire head... then robbed him as he lay bleeding in the street.... These are some of the most evil people I’ve ever seen..... Imagine how soulless you have to be in life.... to sympathize with them....."

".... (Andy Ngô June 1, 2020) ....The historic St. John’s Church...it's near the White House... was set on fire ....during the DC riot last night...."

"....(Sapien Agenda May 30, 2020)....In America... you can clearly set fire to a business without arrest.... but you cannot open for business without arrest..."

"....(Esther Choi  June 1, 2020) PLEASE stop the looting!.... My parent's shop is on 62nd and Lansdowne... it was looted and set on fire last night..... They've been doing business here for 20 years....they never took a holiday or a day off..... They are HARDWORKING Americans who do not deserve this..... NO POLICE after multiple calls to them...."

"......(Reverend Charles Harrison  May 30, 2020).....Stealing money out of an ATM machine..then taking drugs out of the pharmacy... is not about justice.... Setting business on fire... and looting stores... is not about justice.... I always support peaceful protest for justice.... but not this lawlessness...."

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I said it about a couple of years ago here in the PSF, the violence would keep ramping up and eventually elected officials would start getting picked off.

It didn't just come from nowhere Tim.

It was enabled, supported, funded and protected by public policy on multiple fronts. By the same political Party over and over again.

What happened to Zeldin, tragically, won't be the end of this madness.

 
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