NYC assassination news thread - Please no politics (1 Viewer)

[Pip's Invitation]

So he got rock star screams on SNL last night when Weekend Update switched the subject to him. Colin Jost commented on the reception. Another data point that Gen Zers have been educated and raised horribly.

I think millennials are the majority of SNL viewers

Millenials are in their late 20s to early 40s. That's not the traditional SNL target audience. College kids and younger.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Bunch of folks chanting for him outside the courthouse.

Probably the same communists and anarchists protesting for Hamas. Brought to you with a grant from the Ford Foundation (or Rockefeller). More toxic industry? The health care industry or the NGO grant-giving industry keeping all these professional grifting protestors employed (somewhat)?

But rock, didn't you hear that violent crime is at historic lows? Life is much better today that it was in the 1990s. Just look at the graph.

 

[TLEF316]

Yeah, that perp walk with the mayor was absolutely ridiculous. They made it look like they were bringing in Hannibal Lecter.

He's a troubled kid who killed one guy. High profile and polarizing? OF COURSE.

But if the goal was to NOT inspire copy cats, they're not doing themselves any favors. By glamorizing it to this extent, they're complicating the legal process and encouraging the next guy who doesn't like something a corporation did to him to do something even more extreme. The idiots supporting this kid are itching for some sort of class war.......and dummies like Adams seem to be going out of their way to make him look like a martyr rather than a criminal.

This kid was a bright engineering student with a 3d printed gun. The next one might be a chemistry student with a bomb.

As someone who works for an insurance company(not health insurance, but we still get plenty of pissed off claimants) ......in New York City....in the same building as our CEO.....that concerns me.

 

[Schmeabs]

If the argument/message from posters in this thread is "it's too bad the American public glorifies criminals", then sure, I'm on board.

If the argument is instead "this is new and unprecedented", then that seems obviously false. We've made blockbuster movies glorifying both real and fictional criminals literally since movies were invented.

You certainly seemed to glorify Thomas Crooks assassination attempt of Trump when you said you were upset he missed.

 

[djmich]

Yeah, that perp walk with the mayor was absolutely ridiculous. They made it look like they were bringing in Hannibal Lecter.

He's a troubled kid who killed one guy. High profile and polarizing? OF COURSE.

But if the goal was to NOT inspire copy cats, they're not doing themselves any favors. By glamorizing it to this extent, they're complicating the legal process and encouraging the next guy who doesn't like something a corporation did to him to do something even more extreme. The idiots supporting this kid are itching for some sort of class war.......and dummies like Adams seem to be going out of their way to make him look like a martyr rather than a criminal.

This kid was a bright engineering student with a 3d printed gun. The next one might be a chemistry student with a bomb.

As someone who works for an insurance company(not health insurance, but we still get plenty of pissed off claimants) ......in New York City....in the same building as our CEO.....that concerns me.

I would assume the amount of security around a perp is less about their ability to eat their way out of handcuffs and more about the threat of external participants creating issues. High profile cases, in particular where there is widespread support for the accused from people that may be slightly deranged.

 

[the moops]

So he got rock star screams on SNL last night when Weekend Update switched the subject to him. Colin Jost commented on the reception. Another data point that Gen Zers have been educated and raised horribly.

I think millennials are the majority of SNL viewers

Millenials are in their late 20s to early 40s. That's not the traditional SNL target audience. College kids and younger.

Might be their target but the biggest audience is 30-44 year olds

 

[GoBirds]

If the argument/message from posters in this thread is "it's too bad the American public glorifies criminals", then sure, I'm on board.

If the argument is instead "this is new and unprecedented", then that seems obviously false. We've made blockbuster movies glorifying both real and fictional criminals literally since movies were invented.

You certainly seemed to glorify Thomas Crooks assassination attempt of Trump when you said you were upset he missed.

Yikes, hopefully we are all better than that.

 

[rockaction]

So he got rock star screams on SNL last night when Weekend Update switched the subject to him. Colin Jost commented on the reception. Another data point that Gen Zers have been educated and raised horribly.

I think millennials are the majority of SNL viewers

Millenials are in their late 20s to early 40s. That's not the traditional SNL target audience. College kids and younger.

Might be their target but the biggest audience is 30-44 year olds

I was going for studio audience, which probably trends Z/Millennial. It’s not really something to argue about, and the major point I was making (aside from the raising of Z’ers, which I’ll maintain regardless of the SNL audience) might get lost in the details of quibbling about insignificant gradients of granularity.

And perp walks are generally not a good idea and can backfire, like this one seems to have. But they satisfy our notions of retributive justice, so they continue.

 

[TLEF316]

Yeah, that perp walk with the mayor was absolutely ridiculous. They made it look like they were bringing in Hannibal Lecter.

He's a troubled kid who killed one guy. High profile and polarizing? OF COURSE.

But if the goal was to NOT inspire copy cats, they're not doing themselves any favors. By glamorizing it to this extent, they're complicating the legal process and encouraging the next guy who doesn't like something a corporation did to him to do something even more extreme. The idiots supporting this kid are itching for some sort of class war.......and dummies like Adams seem to be going out of their way to make him look like a martyr rather than a criminal.

This kid was a bright engineering student with a 3d printed gun. The next one might be a chemistry student with a bomb.

As someone who works for an insurance company(not health insurance, but we still get plenty of pissed off claimants) ......in New York City....in the same building as our CEO.....that concerns me.

I would assume the amount of security around a perp is less about their ability to eat their way out of handcuffs and more about the threat of external participants creating issues. High profile cases, in particular where there is widespread support for the accused from people that may be slightly deranged.

I get that, but it was all a show for the cameras....not security protocol. Otherwise, why would Adams have been there?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Bunch of folks chanting for him outside the courthouse.

Probably the same communists and anarchists protesting for Hamas. Brought to you with a grant from the Ford Foundation (or Rockefeller). More toxic industry? The health care industry or the NGO grant-giving industry keeping all these professional grifting protestors employed (somewhat)?

But rock, didn't you hear that violent crime is at historic lows? Life is much better today that it was in the 1990s. Just look at the graph.

You have to be careful with your sarcasm IK; some people actually don't believe that violent crime is way down from the 90s.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Yeah, that perp walk with the mayor was absolutely ridiculous. They made it look like they were bringing in Hannibal Lecter.

He's a troubled kid who killed one guy. High profile and polarizing? OF COURSE.

But if the goal was to NOT inspire copy cats, they're not doing themselves any favors. By glamorizing it to this extent, they're complicating the legal process and encouraging the next guy who doesn't like something a corporation did to him to do something even more extreme. The idiots supporting this kid are itching for some sort of class war.......and dummies like Adams seem to be going out of their way to make him look like a martyr rather than a criminal.

This kid was a bright engineering student with a 3d printed gun. The next one might be a chemistry student with a bomb.

As someone who works for an insurance company(not health insurance, but we still get plenty of pissed off claimants) ......in New York City....in the same building as our CEO.....that concerns me.

I would assume the amount of security around a perp is less about their ability to eat their way out of handcuffs and more about the threat of external participants creating issues. High profile cases, in particular where there is widespread support for the accused from people that may be slightly deranged.

I get that, but it was all a show for the cameras....not security protocol. Otherwise, why would Adams have been there?

All perp walks everywhere are always for show. That's their only purpose.

 

[El Floppo]

Yeah, that perp walk with the mayor was absolutely ridiculous. They made it look like they were bringing in Hannibal Lecter.

He's a troubled kid who killed one guy. High profile and polarizing? OF COURSE.

But if the goal was to NOT inspire copy cats, they're not doing themselves any favors. By glamorizing it to this extent, they're complicating the legal process and encouraging the next guy who doesn't like something a corporation did to him to do something even more extreme. The idiots supporting this kid are itching for some sort of class war.......and dummies like Adams seem to be going out of their way to make him look like a martyr rather than a criminal.

This kid was a bright engineering student with a 3d printed gun. The next one might be a chemistry student with a bomb.

As someone who works for an insurance company(not health insurance, but we still get plenty of pissed off claimants) ......in New York City....in the same building as our CEO.....that concerns me.

I would assume the amount of security around a perp is less about their ability to eat their way out of handcuffs and more about the threat of external participants creating issues. High profile cases, in particular where there is widespread support for the accused from people that may be slightly deranged.

I get that, but it was all a show for the cameras....not security protocol. Otherwise, why would Adams have been there?

All perp walks everywhere are always for show. That's their only purpose.

Pimp walk, otoh ...

 

[Joe Schmo]

Yeah, that perp walk with the mayor was absolutely ridiculous. They made it look like they were bringing in Hannibal Lecter.

He's a troubled kid who killed one guy. High profile and polarizing? OF COURSE.

But if the goal was to NOT inspire copy cats, they're not doing themselves any favors. By glamorizing it to this extent, they're complicating the legal process and encouraging the next guy who doesn't like something a corporation did to him to do something even more extreme. The idiots supporting this kid are itching for some sort of class war.......and dummies like Adams seem to be going out of their way to make him look like a martyr rather than a criminal.

This kid was a bright engineering student with a 3d printed gun. The next one might be a chemistry student with a bomb.

As someone who works for an insurance company(not health insurance, but we still get plenty of pissed off claimants) ......in New York City....in the same building as our CEO.....that concerns me.

I would assume the amount of security around a perp is less about their ability to eat their way out of handcuffs and more about the threat of external participants creating issues. High profile cases, in particular where there is widespread support for the accused from people that may be slightly deranged.

I get that, but it was all a show for the cameras....not security protocol. Otherwise, why would Adams have been there?

All perp walks everywhere are always for show. That's their only purpose.

Pimp walk, otoh ...

Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk
I'm a woman's man, no time to talk
Music loud and women warm, I've been kicked around
Since I was born

 

[Navin Johnson]

Yeah, that perp walk with the mayor was absolutely ridiculous. They made it look like they were bringing in Hannibal Lecter.

He's a troubled kid who killed one guy. High profile and polarizing? OF COURSE.

But if the goal was to NOT inspire copy cats, they're not doing themselves any favors. By glamorizing it to this extent, they're complicating the legal process and encouraging the next guy who doesn't like something a corporation did to him to do something even more extreme. The idiots supporting this kid are itching for some sort of class war.......and dummies like Adams seem to be going out of their way to make him look like a martyr rather than a criminal.

This kid was a bright engineering student with a 3d printed gun. The next one might be a chemistry student with a bomb.

As someone who works for an insurance company(not health insurance, but we still get plenty of pissed off claimants) ......in New York City....in the same building as our CEO.....that concerns me.

I would assume the amount of security around a perp is less about their ability to eat their way out of handcuffs and more about the threat of external participants creating issues. High profile cases, in particular where there is widespread support for the accused from people that may be slightly deranged.

You would think they would have had him in a vest if that was the case

 

[Ilov80s]

Yeah, that perp walk with the mayor was absolutely ridiculous. They made it look like they were bringing in Hannibal Lecter.

He's a troubled kid who killed one guy. High profile and polarizing? OF COURSE.

But if the goal was to NOT inspire copy cats, they're not doing themselves any favors. By glamorizing it to this extent, they're complicating the legal process and encouraging the next guy who doesn't like something a corporation did to him to do something even more extreme. The idiots supporting this kid are itching for some sort of class war.......and dummies like Adams seem to be going out of their way to make him look like a martyr rather than a criminal.

This kid was a bright engineering student with a 3d printed gun. The next one might be a chemistry student with a bomb.

As someone who works for an insurance company(not health insurance, but we still get plenty of pissed off claimants) ......in New York City....in the same building as our CEO.....that concerns me.

I would assume the amount of security around a perp is less about their ability to eat their way out of handcuffs and more about the threat of external participants creating issues. High profile cases, in particular where there is widespread support for the accused from people that may be slightly deranged.

You would think they would have had him in a vest if that was the case

I also find it hard to believe there aren't ways to transport him from jail to court, etc. without it being just out in wide open like he's on a stroll. There aren't garages or back entrances they can pull right up to?

 

[squistion]

Yeah, that perp walk with the mayor was absolutely ridiculous. They made it look like they were bringing in Hannibal Lecter.

He's a troubled kid who killed one guy. High profile and polarizing? OF COURSE.

But if the goal was to NOT inspire copy cats, they're not doing themselves any favors. By glamorizing it to this extent, they're complicating the legal process and encouraging the next guy who doesn't like something a corporation did to him to do something even more extreme. The idiots supporting this kid are itching for some sort of class war.......and dummies like Adams seem to be going out of their way to make him look like a martyr rather than a criminal.

This kid was a bright engineering student with a 3d printed gun. The next one might be a chemistry student with a bomb.

As someone who works for an insurance company(not health insurance, but we still get plenty of pissed off claimants) ......in New York City....in the same building as our CEO.....that concerns me.

I would assume the amount of security around a perp is less about their ability to eat their way out of handcuffs and more about the threat of external participants creating issues. High profile cases, in particular where there is widespread support for the accused from people that may be slightly deranged.

You would think they would have had him in a vest if that was the case

I also find it hard to believe there aren't ways to transport him from jail to court, etc. without it being just out in wide open like he's on a stroll. There aren't garages or back entrances they can pull right up to?

Of course, I am sure there was at least one alternative entrance available where the press coverage would have been minimal and avoided this spectacle.

 

[Navin Johnson]

Yeah, that perp walk with the mayor was absolutely ridiculous. They made it look like they were bringing in Hannibal Lecter.

He's a troubled kid who killed one guy. High profile and polarizing? OF COURSE.

But if the goal was to NOT inspire copy cats, they're not doing themselves any favors. By glamorizing it to this extent, they're complicating the legal process and encouraging the next guy who doesn't like something a corporation did to him to do something even more extreme. The idiots supporting this kid are itching for some sort of class war.......and dummies like Adams seem to be going out of their way to make him look like a martyr rather than a criminal.

This kid was a bright engineering student with a 3d printed gun. The next one might be a chemistry student with a bomb.

As someone who works for an insurance company(not health insurance, but we still get plenty of pissed off claimants) ......in New York City....in the same building as our CEO.....that concerns me.

I would assume the amount of security around a perp is less about their ability to eat their way out of handcuffs and more about the threat of external participants creating issues. High profile cases, in particular where there is widespread support for the accused from people that may be slightly deranged.

You would think they would have had him in a vest if that was the case

I also find it hard to believe there aren't ways to transport him from jail to court, etc. without it being just out in wide open like he's on a stroll. There aren't garages or back entrances they can pull right up to?

They trotted him out there like Oswald. Put a big orange target on him and stood back.

 

[matttyl]

Yeah, that perp walk with the mayor was absolutely ridiculous. They made it look like they were bringing in Hannibal Lecter.

He's a troubled kid who killed one guy. High profile and polarizing? OF COURSE.

But if the goal was to NOT inspire copy cats, they're not doing themselves any favors. By glamorizing it to this extent, they're complicating the legal process and encouraging the next guy who doesn't like something a corporation did to him to do something even more extreme. The idiots supporting this kid are itching for some sort of class war.......and dummies like Adams seem to be going out of their way to make him look like a martyr rather than a criminal.

This kid was a bright engineering student with a 3d printed gun. The next one might be a chemistry student with a bomb.

As someone who works for an insurance company(not health insurance, but we still get plenty of pissed off claimants) ......in New York City....in the same building as our CEO.....that concerns me.

I would assume the amount of security around a perp is less about their ability to eat their way out of handcuffs and more about the threat of external participants creating issues. High profile cases, in particular where there is widespread support for the accused from people that may be slightly deranged.

You would think they would have had him in a vest if that was the case

I also find it hard to believe there aren't ways to transport him from jail to court, etc. without it being just out in wide open like he's on a stroll. There aren't garages or back entrances they can pull right up to?

They trotted him out there like Oswald. Put a big orange target on him and stood back.

….and the people cheered for him.

 

[Navin Johnson]

Yeah, that perp walk with the mayor was absolutely ridiculous. They made it look like they were bringing in Hannibal Lecter.

He's a troubled kid who killed one guy. High profile and polarizing? OF COURSE.

But if the goal was to NOT inspire copy cats, they're not doing themselves any favors. By glamorizing it to this extent, they're complicating the legal process and encouraging the next guy who doesn't like something a corporation did to him to do something even more extreme. The idiots supporting this kid are itching for some sort of class war.......and dummies like Adams seem to be going out of their way to make him look like a martyr rather than a criminal.

This kid was a bright engineering student with a 3d printed gun. The next one might be a chemistry student with a bomb.

As someone who works for an insurance company(not health insurance, but we still get plenty of pissed off claimants) ......in New York City....in the same building as our CEO.....that concerns me.

I would assume the amount of security around a perp is less about their ability to eat their way out of handcuffs and more about the threat of external participants creating issues. High profile cases, in particular where there is widespread support for the accused from people that may be slightly deranged.

You would think they would have had him in a vest if that was the case

I also find it hard to believe there aren't ways to transport him from jail to court, etc. without it being just out in wide open like he's on a stroll. There aren't garages or back entrances they can pull right up to?

They trotted him out there like Oswald. Put a big orange target on him and stood back.

….and the people cheered for him.

 

[matttyl]

Due in NYC court later today. His defense fund has apparently topped half a million.

 

[Max Power]

Due in NYC court later today. His defense fund has apparently topped half a million.

I saw a MSM personality promoted his defense fund website and received a lot of backlash for it.

 

[McBokonon]

Due in NYC court later today. His defense fund has apparently topped half a million.

Interesting timing since UNH stock is getting beat up premarket on news the DOJ is investigating them over Medicare billing practices: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/unitedhealth-under-doj-investigation-over-134008822.html

 

[fatness]

Back to the original topic - now a Florida woman has been arrested for threatening a BCBS agent (which is what I am, scary stuff for me). She’s recorded saying “Delay, Deny, depose…you people are next.”

Charges against her were dropped. She had no criminal history, no guns, and no intention of committing an attack.

Woman accused of using infamous phrase, threatening health insurance company has charge dropped

A probable cause arrest affidavit said Boston had called about a medical insurance claim that was denied. At the end of the call, Boston allegedly said "Deny, Delay, Depose. You people are next."

lawandcrime.com

 

[Max Power]

Law & Order just did a Mangione knockoff episode.

On March 20, Law & Order aired Folk Hero, where Lt. Jessica Brady (Maura Tierney) teams up with a former colleague to track down the assassin behind the murder of OptiShield’s CEO. As public scrutiny grows, Brady’s team faces a huge obstacle—the killer is always one step ahead, forcing them to race against time to stop the next strike.

The episode closely mirrors the real-life events surrounding Mangione’s alleged assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. As the investigation unfolds, Ethan (the show’s Mangione) becomes a folk hero, captivating a public enraged by a broken healthcare system that kills thousands every year through arbitrary claim denials.

Unlike Mangione, who has yet to face trial in real life, viewers get a glimpse of how Law & Order imagines his trial might unfold. Ethan takes the stand to tell his story, revealing that OptiShield denied coverage for a drug that could have treated his mother’s terminal cancer, leading to her death. Realizing his mother’s case is just one of many where OptiShield’s greed has cost people their lives, Ethan takes matters into his own hands, hoping to prevent more families from suffering the same fate.

 

[El Floppo]

Law & Order just did a Mangione knockoff episode.

On March 20, Law & Order aired Folk Hero, where Lt. Jessica Brady (Maura Tierney) teams up with a former colleague to track down the assassin behind the murder of OptiShield’s CEO. As public scrutiny grows, Brady’s team faces a huge obstacle—the killer is always one step ahead, forcing them to race against time to stop the next strike.

The episode closely mirrors the real-life events surrounding Mangione’s alleged assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. As the investigation unfolds, Ethan (the show’s Mangione) becomes a folk hero, captivating a public enraged by a broken healthcare system that kills thousands every year through arbitrary claim denials.

Unlike Mangione, who has yet to face trial in real life, viewers get a glimpse of how Law & Order imagines his trial might unfold. Ethan takes the stand to tell his story, revealing that OptiShield denied coverage for a drug that could have treated his mother’s terminal cancer, leading to her death. Realizing his mother’s case is just one of many where OptiShield’s greed has cost people their lives, Ethan takes matters into his own hands, hoping to prevent more families from suffering the same fate.

it was a Law and Order episode the second it happened- had to have been on all of our minds back then.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

Law & Order just did a Mangione knockoff episode.

On March 20, Law & Order aired Folk Hero, where Lt. Jessica Brady (Maura Tierney) teams up with a former colleague to track down the assassin behind the murder of OptiShield’s CEO. As public scrutiny grows, Brady’s team faces a huge obstacle—the killer is always one step ahead, forcing them to race against time to stop the next strike.

The episode closely mirrors the real-life events surrounding Mangione’s alleged assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. As the investigation unfolds, Ethan (the show’s Mangione) becomes a folk hero, captivating a public enraged by a broken healthcare system that kills thousands every year through arbitrary claim denials.

Unlike Mangione, who has yet to face trial in real life, viewers get a glimpse of how Law & Order imagines his trial might unfold. Ethan takes the stand to tell his story, revealing that OptiShield denied coverage for a drug that could have treated his mother’s terminal cancer, leading to her death. Realizing his mother’s case is just one of many where OptiShield’s greed has cost people their lives, Ethan takes matters into his own hands, hoping to prevent more families from suffering the same fate.

it was a Law and Order episode the second it happened- had to have been on all of our minds back then.

Dun dun.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

NBC: “This is a work of fiction. Any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.”

Also NBC: “RIPPED FROM THE HEADLINES!!!!!”

 

[Max Power]

Mangione's defense donation fund has surpassed 750k as of this morning. People are really getting behind him.

 

[culdeus]

Reddit is still oddly censoring this topic. Not sure why this is the hill they want to die on

 

[Jayrod]

Mangione's defense donation fund has surpassed 750k as of this morning. People are really getting behind him.

Yes, such a worthy thing to donate to.

Sex trafficking, homeless, starving mentally ill, orphans........nahhh, I want to support an upper middle class kid who murdered a guy.

 

[Kev4029]

Mangione's defense donation fund has surpassed 750k as of this morning. People are really getting behind him.

Yes, such a worthy thing to donate to.

Sex trafficking, homeless, starving mentally ill, orphans........nahhh, I want to support an upper middle class kid who murdered a guy.

These people could be doing both. Just because you support one thing financially doesn't mean you can't support something else.

 

[Jayrod]

Mangione's defense donation fund has surpassed 750k as of this morning. People are really getting behind him.

Yes, such a worthy thing to donate to.

Sex trafficking, homeless, starving mentally ill, orphans........nahhh, I want to support an upper middle class kid who murdered a guy.

These people could be doing both. Just because you support one thing financially doesn't mean you can't support something else.

Well, dollars are finite. Every dollar that goes to this is not spent anywhere else.

That's all right, people just revealing their true selves. Where your treasure is, there your heart goes.

 

[fatness]

Please tell me there are no Luigi bobbleheads yet.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Reddit is still oddly censoring this topic. Not sure why this is the hill they want to die on

Murder is an appropriate hill, IMO.

 

[FarFromHome]

I believe I have the depth to understand why he believes his actions were heroic. I also believe I have the depth to understand he is a narcissist that committed cold blooded murder. All my opinion.

 

[Max Power]

Reddit is still oddly censoring this topic. Not sure why this is the hill they want to die on

What angle are they censoring it from?

 

[Juxtatarot]

Reddit is still oddly censoring this topic. Not sure why this is the hill they want to die on

What angle are they censoring it from?

Here’s an article:

Reddit Accused of Cracking Down on Luigi Mangione Content

Luigi content is on the run from the (moderation) law.

gizmodo.com

 

[Max Power]

Reddit is still oddly censoring this topic. Not sure why this is the hill they want to die on

What angle are they censoring it from?

Here’s an article:

Reddit Accused of Cracking Down on Luigi Mangione Content

Luigi content is on the run from the (moderation) law.

gizmodo.com

I don't care for Reddit as a platform and community, but it seems like they are doing things right for the most part here. They allow a sub reddit for healthcare reform based off Luigi's actions, but ban the ones calling for violence.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

US Atty General has reportedly directed prosecutors to seek the death penalty for Mangione if convicted, based on the "murder through use of a firearm" charge.

 

[Max Power]

US Atty General has reportedly directed prosecutors to seek the death penalty for Mangione if convicted, based on the "murder through use of a firearm" charge.

My initial response is that I don't like this. I'm not anti-death penalty, but this feels like a situation where a maximum punishment is being pushed because of who the victim was.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

US Atty General has reportedly directed prosecutors to seek the death penalty for Mangione if convicted, based on the "murder through use of a firearm" charge.

My initial response is that I don't like this. I'm not anti-death penalty, but this feels like a situation where a maximum punishment is being pushed because of who the victim was.

I am personally strongly anti-death penalty based on my personal experience. However, I'm not troubled by it when guilt is either admitted or so clearly established there can truly be no shadow of a doubt. My understanding is that the allegation in this case is a thoroughly planned, premeditated assassination-style murder of an innocent person with no mitigating factors whatsoever. The defendant has entered a not guilty plea to the state charges and will surely do the same for the pending federal charges. Under these circumstances, if guilt is contested to trial I'm going to withhold judgment, but if it is admitted, I would not be bothered by a death sentence. Its obviously a terribly sad situation for everyone associated with the defendant and victim.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Reddit is still oddly censoring this topic. Not sure why this is the hill they want to die on

-Was there a recent movie where this saying was uttered in pop culture?
Because it seems people in our office are using this anytime we have disagreements or want to push forward on a plan/idea and implement things

"We're not going to die on this/that hill"
-What in Sam Hill are people talking about? Nobody's dying on any hill, we're just trying to coordinate a Zoom meeting.

-I'm just talking out loud to myself, pay me no attention Culdeus
Cheers

 

[Sleestak]

Does nobody else take issue with Bondi saying via statement that "Mangione's murder of Brian Thompson ... was a premeditated, cold-blooded assassination..."? Hard to get a fair trial anywhere in the US when the AG says "he's guilty". Are AG given latitude because it is assumed that they always presume guilt, given the nature of their job?

 

[Max Power]

US Atty General has reportedly directed prosecutors to seek the death penalty for Mangione if convicted, based on the "murder through use of a firearm" charge.

My initial response is that I don't like this. I'm not anti-death penalty, but this feels like a situation where a maximum punishment is being pushed because of who the victim was.

I am personally strongly anti-death penalty based on my personal experience. However, I'm not troubled by it when guilt is either admitted or so clearly established there can truly be no shadow of a doubt. My understanding is that the allegation in this case is a thoroughly planned, premeditated assassination-style murder of an innocent person with no mitigating factors whatsoever. The defendant has entered a not guilty plea to the state charges and will surely do the same for the pending federal charges. Under these circumstances, if guilt is contested to trial I'm going to withhold judgment, but if it is admitted, I would not be bothered by a death sentence. Its obviously a terribly sad situation for everyone associated with the defendant and victim.

Makes a lot of sense to view it through that lens... admitted vs contested. Do you not take the manifesto as an admission though?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Does nobody else take issue with Bondi saying via statement that "Mangione's murder of Brian Thompson ... was a premeditated, cold-blooded assassination..."? Hard to get a fair trial anywhere in the US when the AG says "he's guilty". Are AG given latitude because it is assumed that they always presume guilt, given the nature of their job?

-You are saying that because she is the AG she should refrain, at least I hope that's what you are saying

If they had video of OJ doing the actual murders things likely would have turned out much different.
In this case however, the prosecution has fairly clear video evidence that most citizens in this country have watched repeatedly

I don't believe Pam Bondi is poisoning the minds of potential jurors, I think the video did enough on its own.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, just letting you know that not everyone feels the same

And it's a two sided coin, she could get some folks so irate they do anything to get picked as one of the 12 jurors so they can try and free him
You see what i mean? It can work both ways but to my 1st statement, you just don't like the fact the AG is already passing judgement without a trial which would make sense
It's just this case has some pretty damning evidence the public has already seen

Is this really the hill we want to die on?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

US Atty General has reportedly directed prosecutors to seek the death penalty for Mangione if convicted, based on the "murder through use of a firearm" charge.

My initial response is that I don't like this. I'm not anti-death penalty, but this feels like a situation where a maximum punishment is being pushed because of who the victim was.

I am personally strongly anti-death penalty based on my personal experience. However, I'm not troubled by it when guilt is either admitted or so clearly established there can truly be no shadow of a doubt. My understanding is that the allegation in this case is a thoroughly planned, premeditated assassination-style murder of an innocent person with no mitigating factors whatsoever. The defendant has entered a not guilty plea to the state charges and will surely do the same for the pending federal charges. Under these circumstances, if guilt is contested to trial I'm going to withhold judgment, but if it is admitted, I would not be bothered by a death sentence. Its obviously a terribly sad situation for everyone associated with the defendant and victim.

Makes a lot of sense to view it through that lens... admitted vs contested. Do you not take the manifesto as an admission though?

I'm very careful about considering anything in the media as evidence in the case. He's entered a not guilty plea so that's where it sits for me until more comes out.

 

[Sleestak]

Does nobody else take issue with Bondi saying via statement that "Mangione's murder of Brian Thompson ... was a premeditated, cold-blooded assassination..."? Hard to get a fair trial anywhere in the US when the AG says "he's guilty". Are AG given latitude because it is assumed that they always presume guilt, given the nature of their job?

-You are saying that because she is the AG she should refrain, at least I hope that's what you are saying

No, I was posing two honest questions.

- Should high officials, for instance an AG or a President, publicly pronounce guilt?
- Is an AG pronouncement of guilt considered "ok" because that stance is expected for that job?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Does nobody else take issue with Bondi saying via statement that "Mangione's murder of Brian Thompson ... was a premeditated, cold-blooded assassination..."? Hard to get a fair trial anywhere in the US when the AG says "he's guilty". Are AG given latitude because it is assumed that they always presume guilt, given the nature of their job?

-You are saying that because she is the AG she should refrain, at least I hope that's what you are saying

No, I was posing two honest questions.

- Should high officials, for instance an AG or a President, publicly pronounce guilt?
- Is an AG pronouncement of guilt considered "ok" because that stance is expected for that job?

She is quoted in the news with this today because the White House wants a push for the death penalty
Your 1st question, many Presidents would likely not weigh in, this one of course does.
Your 2nd question...Loretta Lynch met Bill Clinton on a tarmac in Phoenix once, I'm sure they were just flippin' Pokemon cards
Attorney General sounds so fierce and then you look at past people who served and several of them made questionable decisions
I'm sure Bondi will be no different

 

[Major]

US Atty General has reportedly directed prosecutors to seek the death penalty for Mangione if convicted, based on the "murder through use of a firearm" charge.

My initial response is that I don't like this. I'm not anti-death penalty, but this feels like a situation where a maximum punishment is being pushed because of who the victim was.

Yep, hate it as well. Clearly motivated to protect C Level execs like Elon. Doubt she'll have that same energy for the random kid in Baltimore who gets murdered.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Does nobody else take issue with Bondi saying via statement that "Mangione's murder of Brian Thompson ... was a premeditated, cold-blooded assassination..."? Hard to get a fair trial anywhere in the US when the AG says "he's guilty". Are AG given latitude because it is assumed that they always presume guilt, given the nature of their job?

-You are saying that because she is the AG she should refrain, at least I hope that's what you are saying

No, I was posing two honest questions.

- Should high officials, for instance an AG or a President, publicly pronounce guilt?
- Is an AG pronouncement of guilt considered "ok" because that stance is expected for that job?

I think its a great question and maybe @Zow has some thoughts. My impression is that it is very common for DA's, AG's and other prosecutors to proclaim a defendant's guilt in public early in these high profile cases, but I've always wondered the same as you - does this not unfairly poison the potential jury pool? Of course, defense counsel do the same - loudly proclaiming their client's innocence to the media.