NYC assassination news thread - Please no politics (2 Viewers)

[thecatch]

Does nobody else take issue with Bondi saying via statement that "Mangione's murder of Brian Thompson ... was a premeditated, cold-blooded assassination..."? Hard to get a fair trial anywhere in the US when the AG says "he's guilty". Are AG given latitude because it is assumed that they always presume guilt, given the nature of their job?

-You are saying that because she is the AG she should refrain, at least I hope that's what you are saying

No, I was posing two honest questions.

- Should high officials, for instance an AG or a President, publicly pronounce guilt?
- Is an AG pronouncement of guilt considered "ok" because that stance is expected for that job?

I think its a great question and maybe @Zow has some thoughts. My impression is that it is very common for DA's, AG's and other prosecutors to proclaim a defendant's guilt in public early in these high profile cases, but I've always wondered the same as you - does this not unfairly poison the potential jury pool? Of course, defense counsel do the same - loudly proclaiming their client's innocence to the media.

The AG is an advocate for the prosecution the way the public defender is for the defendant. They aren't an impartial party to the proceedings (like the judiciary is). By prosecuting the case, they've already taken the public position that the defendant is guilty. I don't see the issue.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

We're not going to die on this/that hill"
-What in Sam Hill are people talking about? Nobody's dying on any hill, we're just trying to coordinate a Zoom meeting

 

[Dezbelief]

I am pro death penalty, an eye for an eye. However I do not believe this is the correct path in this instance. Do not increase Luigi's martyr status. He already has a healthcare bill named after him in California. Death isn't a deterrent to fanatics.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Does nobody else take issue with Bondi saying via statement that "Mangione's murder of Brian Thompson ... was a premeditated, cold-blooded assassination..."? Hard to get a fair trial anywhere in the US when the AG says "he's guilty". Are AG given latitude because it is assumed that they always presume guilt, given the nature of their job?

-You are saying that because she is the AG she should refrain, at least I hope that's what you are saying

No, I was posing two honest questions.

- Should high officials, for instance an AG or a President, publicly pronounce guilt?
- Is an AG pronouncement of guilt considered "ok" because that stance is expected for that job?

I think its a great question and maybe @Zow has some thoughts. My impression is that it is very common for DA's, AG's and other prosecutors to proclaim a defendant's guilt in public early in these high profile cases, but I've always wondered the same as you - does this not unfairly poison the potential jury pool? Of course, defense counsel do the same - loudly proclaiming their client's innocence to the media.

The AG is an advocate for the prosecution the way the public defender is for the defendant. They aren't an impartial party to the proceedings (like the judiciary is). By prosecuting the case, they've already taken the public position that the defendant is guilty. I don't see the issue.

I haven't read the AG's statement in this case and likely never will, but I've seen cases where prosecutors publicly stated a case was a 'slam dunk' and similar comments. I think that skirts a line when there's been no determination as to what the admissible evidence will be. If a key witness declines to give testimony or some evidence is excluded, the prosecutor's public comments may be unfairly prejudicial.

 

[thecatch]

Does nobody else take issue with Bondi saying via statement that "Mangione's murder of Brian Thompson ... was a premeditated, cold-blooded assassination..."? Hard to get a fair trial anywhere in the US when the AG says "he's guilty". Are AG given latitude because it is assumed that they always presume guilt, given the nature of their job?

-You are saying that because she is the AG she should refrain, at least I hope that's what you are saying

No, I was posing two honest questions.

- Should high officials, for instance an AG or a President, publicly pronounce guilt?
- Is an AG pronouncement of guilt considered "ok" because that stance is expected for that job?

I think its a great question and maybe @Zow has some thoughts. My impression is that it is very common for DA's, AG's and other prosecutors to proclaim a defendant's guilt in public early in these high profile cases, but I've always wondered the same as you - does this not unfairly poison the potential jury pool? Of course, defense counsel do the same - loudly proclaiming their client's innocence to the media.

The AG is an advocate for the prosecution the way the public defender is for the defendant. They aren't an impartial party to the proceedings (like the judiciary is). By prosecuting the case, they've already taken the public position that the defendant is guilty. I don't see the issue.

I haven't read the AG's statement in this case and likely never will, but I've seen cases where prosecutors publicly stated a case was a 'slam dunk' and similar comments. I think that skirts a line when there's been no determination as to what the admissible evidence will be. If a key witness declines to give testimony or some evidence is excluded, the prosecutor's public comments may be unfairly prejudicial.

The filing of the case itself is an assertion that the government can prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. If anything, additional hyperbole on that point is more likely to hurt the prosecutor than help - they are raising the public's expectations as to what the evidence will show, and if that key witness doesn't come in, that's going to be a problem with the jury.

 

[fatness]

She is quoted in the news with this today because the White House wants a push for the death penalty
Your 1st question, many Presidents would likely not weigh in, this one of course does.
Your 2nd question...Loretta Lynch met Bill Clinton on a tarmac in Phoenix once, I'm sure they were just flippin' Pokemon cards
Attorney General sounds so fierce and then you look at past people who served and several of them made questionable decisions
I'm sure Bondi will be no different

Like John Mitchell, for example. He was arrested, tried, and went to jail.

 

[fatness]

Does nobody else take issue with Bondi saying via statement that "Mangione's murder of Brian Thompson ... was a premeditated, cold-blooded assassination..."? Hard to get a fair trial anywhere in the US when the AG says "he's guilty". Are AG given latitude because it is assumed that they always presume guilt, given the nature of their job?

I take issue with any AG lobbying publicly for a specific verdict in any trial, because (to me) it cheapens the judicial process down to the level of a popularity contest or internet argument. But it's been done plenty of times before so this isn't unusual. Bondi's been tasked with being very public and very hardline on numerous issues by her boss, and she's doing that job.

 

[Max Power]

Journalist Taylor Lorenz has provoked anger after describing Luigi Mangione as “handsome,” “smart,” and “morally good” in a discussion about his online fandom.

Mangione, 26, was arrested in December for the murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, 50, outside of the New York Hilton Midtown in Manhattan, before fleeing the scene and sparking a week-long manhunt.

U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi has said the Justice Department will seek the death penalty for what she characterized as “an act of political violence.”

However, Mangione’s actions have been celebrated as vigilante heroism in some corners of the internet, with many expressing sympathy with his anger over the cost of health insurance provided by firms like Thompson’s.

Speaking to CNN’s Donie O’Sullivan for Sunday’s installment of his show MisinfoNation, Lorenz ridiculed the media outrage over Mangione’s celebrity.

“To see these millionaire media pundits on TV clutching their pearls about someone stanning a murderer when this is the United States of America, as if we don’t lionize criminals, as if we don’t have, you know, we don’t stan murderers of all sorts, and we can give them Netflix shows,” she said.

“There’s a huge disconnect between the narratives and the angles that mainstream media pushes and what the American public feels.”

Asked by O’Sullivan about the gatherings of female supporters who have congregated outside of the defendant’s court hearings in New York so far, the former Washington Post and New York Times journalist laughed.

“You’re going to see women especially that feel like, Oh my God, right? Like, here’s this man who’s revolutionary, who’s famous, who’s handsome, who is young, who’s smart,” she said.

“He’s a person that seems like this morally good man, which is hard to find.”

MSN

 

[Max Power]

A federal grand jury Thursday indicted Luigi Mangione on four charges in the December ambush killing of UnitedHealthcare’s CEO in New York City.

Mangione, 26, also faces state murder charges and other counts in the Dec. 4 killing of CEO Brian Thompson in midtown Manhattan.

The federal indictment returned Thursday charges Mangione with two counts of stalking, one count of murder through use of a firearm and a firearms offense for an allegation that he used a silencer.

Luigi Mangione indicted on federal charges in death of UnitedHealthcare CEO

Attorney General Pam Bondi has directed prosecutors to seek the death penalty.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Joe Bryant]

So your intent is to ruin another thread?

Thank you. I think most would prefer this thread not be locked.

 

[FarFromHome]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

 

[Max Power]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

I don't get it. This is a 100% political comment.

 

[Max Power]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

I don't get it. This is a 100% political comment.

How so?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So your intent is to ruin another thread?

Thank you. I think most would prefer this thread not be locked.

There are 25 pages of discussion about one of the most brutal acts of political violence this country has ever seen.

In your own software, these are two of the "Similar Threads": "Official Fake News Thread, Who's To Blame?" and "Why I am No Longer a Leftist". That's your algorithm telling you this thread is inherently political. Follow your rules.

 

[Dr_Zaius]

Does the similar thread feature go by keywords? I always thought that it went by the people who post in it, but I guess thinking about it more that was just an assumption on my part because it seems like the easiest way to implement a "recommend" style feature. Now I'm curious.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

I don't get it. This is a 100% political comment.

How so?

Topics raised:

• Public anger about health care.
• General assessment of culture.
• Description of dissemination of information infrastructure.
• Invitation to discuss "end justifies the means".
• The discussion above it also invites a further discussion of public mores.

Political, political, political.

 

[Max Power]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

I don't get it. This is a 100% political comment.

How so?

Topics raised:

• Public anger about health care.
• General assessment of culture.
• Description of dissemination of information infrastructure.
• Invitation to discuss "end justifies the means".
• The discussion above it also invites a further discussion of public mores.

Political, political, political.

I'm just going to disagree with you that those are political. Culture isn't politics.

 

[djmich]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

I don't get it. This is a 100% political comment.

Which party is mentioned or wrong? Why is murder being acceptable political.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Does the similar thread feature go by keywords? I always thought that it went by the people who post in it, but I guess thinking about it more that was just an assumption on my part because it seems like the easiest way to implement a "recommend" style feature. Now I'm curious.

That's a Joe Question - one of the 'similar threads' is Dave Berry - he of course was a well known political commentator. There are maybe 5 posts in it and I doubt it has any overlap with the posters in this glorious 25 page thread with non-political discussion about a singularly infamous act of political violence.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

I don't get it. This is a 100% political comment.

Which party is mentioned or wrong? Why is murder being acceptable political.

This is the part where we could insert the meme with the hot dog guy from Arrested Development, which if there were still tags here that would be the tag for this thread.

 

[beer 30]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

I don't get it. This is a 100% political comment.

How so?

Topics raised:

• Public anger about health care.
• General assessment of culture.
• Description of dissemination of information infrastructure.
• Invitation to discuss "end justifies the means".
• The discussion above it also invites a further discussion of public mores.

Political, political, political.

I'm just going to disagree with you that those are political. Culture isn't politics.

This, it's getting to the point that every thread has the political police in it these days. Nothing about your comments were political.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

I don't get it. This is a 100% political comment.

How so?

Topics raised:

• Public anger about health care.
• General assessment of culture.
• Description of dissemination of information infrastructure.
• Invitation to discuss "end justifies the means".
• The discussion above it also invites a further discussion of public mores.

Political, political, political.

I'm just going to disagree with you that those are political. Culture isn't politics.

This, it's getting to the point that every thread has the political police in it these days. Nothing about your comments were political.

Great, I'll reply.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

Well Max, I think that's because of this nation's failure to address soaring health costs. How do you think that happened and who is ultimately responsible for that? Random dude on street? The consumer?

 

[Max Power]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

Well Max, I think that's because of this nation's failure to address soaring health costs. How do you think that happened and who is ultimately responsible for that? Random dude on street? The consumer?

Insurance companies, Big Pharma?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

Well Max, I think that's because of this nation's failure to address soaring health costs. How do you think that happened and who is ultimately responsible for that? Random dude on street? The consumer?

Insurance companies, Big Pharma?

Wow, is there a way to regulate those somehow?

 

[djmich]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

Well Max, I think that's because of this nation's failure to address soaring health costs. How do you think that happened and who is ultimately responsible for that? Random dude on street? The consumer?

And if you wanted to make a non-political thread political, yes that's exactly how you would do it.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

Well Max, I think that's because of this nation's failure to address soaring health costs. How do you think that happened and who is ultimately responsible for that? Random dude on street? The consumer?

And if you wanted to make a non-political thread political, yes that's exactly how you would do it.

I'll exit - and apologies - I was annoyed by what happened earlier.

As I said the whole thread is political, top to bottom, but it's a hollow useless conversation with platitudes and maxims.

Take care guys, much love. - SID

 

[Max Power]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

Well Max, I think that's because of this nation's failure to address soaring health costs. How do you think that happened and who is ultimately responsible for that? Random dude on street? The consumer?

Insurance companies, Big Pharma?

Wow, is there a way to regulate those somehow?

I'm picking up your basic point is that health care costs are out of control and its a failure of the US government to regulate it. So when Luigi kills a healthcare insurance CEO it's because the government failed the people and that makes this entire thing political?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

Well Max, I think that's because of this nation's failure to address soaring health costs. How do you think that happened and who is ultimately responsible for that? Random dude on street? The consumer?

Insurance companies, Big Pharma?

Wow, is there a way to regulate those somehow?

I'm picking up your basic point is that health care costs are out of control and its a failure of the US government to regulate it. So when Luigi kills a healthcare insurance CEO it's because the government failed the people and that makes this entire thing political?

No, Max, his motive is political, it's practically an act of terrorism. It's as political as Lee Oswald or the kid in Butler PA. He is, his story is, his motives are, the reactions to it - and yes all the things which you mentioned, which are valid points of discussion btw.

 

[Max Power]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

Well Max, I think that's because of this nation's failure to address soaring health costs. How do you think that happened and who is ultimately responsible for that? Random dude on street? The consumer?

Insurance companies, Big Pharma?

Wow, is there a way to regulate those somehow?

I'm picking up your basic point is that health care costs are out of control and its a failure of the US government to regulate it. So when Luigi kills a healthcare insurance CEO it's because the government failed the people and that makes this entire thing political?

No, Max, his motive is political, it's practically an act of terrorism. It's as political as Lee Oswald or the kid in Butler PA. He is, his story is, his motives are, the reactions to it - and yes all the things which you mentioned, which are valid points of discussion btw.

I appreciate you spelling it out. I just don't see it the same way. I see it as a guy who wanted to make a statement on the state of health insurance in America. I don't see him as representing a political ideology.

 

[Joe Bryant]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

Som
Well Max, I think that's because of this nation's failure to address soaring health costs. How do you think that happened and who is ultimately responsible for that? Random dude on street? The consumer?

And if you wanted to make a non-political thread political, yes that's exactly how you would do it.

Right.

Any thread can be taken political if people try hard enough. Some are easier than others.

This one could be easy to take political if people make it into government healthcare.

That's why we've specifically asked people not to take it into politics. Please don't do that.

 

[Joe Bryant]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

Well Max, I think that's because of this nation's failure to address soaring health costs. How do you think that happened and who is ultimately responsible for that? Random dude on street? The consumer?

And if you wanted to make a non-political thread political, yes that's exactly how you would do it.

I'll exit - and apologies - I was annoyed by what happened earlier.

As I said the whole thread is political, top to bottom, but it's a hollow useless conversation with platitudes and maxims.

Take care guys, much love. - SID

I get that you're annoyed we don't have political talk here. Thanks for being honest. But that's not a reason to try and ruin this thread.

I disagree the "whole thread is political, top to bottom, but it's a hollow useless conversation with platitudes and maxims."

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

Well Max, I think that's because of this nation's failure to address soaring health costs. How do you think that happened and who is ultimately responsible for that? Random dude on street? The consumer?

And if you wanted to make a non-political thread political, yes that's exactly how you would do it.

I'll exit - and apologies - I was annoyed by what happened earlier.

As I said the whole thread is political, top to bottom, but it's a hollow useless conversation with platitudes and maxims.

Take care guys, much love. - SID

I get that you're annoyed we don't have political talk here. Thanks for being honest. But that's not a reason to try and ruin this thread.

I disagree the "whole thread is political, top to bottom, but it's a hollow useless conversation with platitudes and maxims."

Joe it’s cool. Have a Happy Easter weekend.

 

[Joe Bryant]

It's just the weirdest narrative to me. If the world had become exactly like the Walking Dead time then maybe I could see it. Maybe, but in a time of actual modern civilization I just cant see how I can get behind point blank murdering someone and justify it as better for the world. All my opinion of course.

There seems to be a clear anger some people have against healthcare in the US. It's been my belief since the start of this thing that we've become an instant gratification culture. Luigi's action gave people that outlet or attention they were hoping to bring to the healthcare industry. There is always going to be the end justifies the means crowd. It's just public now.

Well Max, I think that's because of this nation's failure to address soaring health costs. How do you think that happened and who is ultimately responsible for that? Random dude on street? The consumer?

And if you wanted to make a non-political thread political, yes that's exactly how you would do it.

I'll exit - and apologies - I was annoyed by what happened earlier.

As I said the whole thread is political, top to bottom, but it's a hollow useless conversation with platitudes and maxims.

Take care guys, much love. - SID

I get that you're annoyed we don't have political talk here. Thanks for being honest. But that's not a reason to try and ruin this thread.

I disagree the "whole thread is political, top to bottom, but it's a hollow useless conversation with platitudes and maxims."

Joe it’s cool. Have a Happy Easter weekend.

Thanks. Same to you.