Oak vs Bal (1 Viewer)

[Marc Levin]

If moleculo is betting on the Raiders WINNING the game, I'll take that bet.

Right now, please.

 

[raidergil]

I think another point to be made is the difference in coaches. Schottenheimer used an unbelievably conservative gameplan which moved the clock, kept Rivers out of trouble situations but also kept the Raiders in the game (at least on the scoreboard). If he had more confidence in Rivers, or had a vet he could trust, Marty could have opened things up & really buried the Raiders. But that's not Marty-ball. While the Ravens are not to be confused with Air-Coryell, McNair's presence allows them to take more shots downfield and potentially get the Raiders in an early hole.

I've seen alot of crazy things in sports but Monday night's performance was the worst offensive showing I've ever seen. If they were to go into Baltimore this week & win you can give Shell coach of the year honors after the game.

 

[Biabreakable]

Reasons why Oakland will make this a game...1) They held a very similiar offensive team (San Diego) to just 13 points going into the 4th quarter. Both SD and Balt. have strong running games with multiple quality RB's. Both teams have a top level pass receiving TE. Both teams have a veteran WR with sure hands who can move the chains.2) Lamont Jordan will get more than just 10 rushing attempts. Hopefully the Raiders will realize that at this point, running the game and relying on their defense may just be their best chance to win. The belief here is if they totally committ to running the ball behind the mammouth right side of their line in Paul McQuistan and Langston Walker (& C Jake Grove), that Jordan can actually be effective. But it will take more than 10 rushing attempts to start to wear down any NFL D, much less the Ravens.3) Oakland's biggest offensive detriment from Monday will not be on the field. Can new starting LT Chad Slaughter actually play any worse than Gallery did Monday?4) Maybe...just maybe Oakland decides to let bygones be bygones and gets Jerry Porter in the game for the betterment of the offense from purely a skill level perspective. Although right now from all accounts it appears Porter will be inactive.5) Yes the Oakland O-Line had numerous breakdowns on Monday. But Brooks was fairly effective at times early in the game with his scrambling, in that he made his decision to run early. Later as the game progressed (after Brooks knee injury???), Brooks appeared to be less mobile and much slower to tuck it and run. Now that his knee injury has been checked out, will his mind be eased enough to play closer to the QB he was in the first half Monday night?6) The Raiders have been totally run down and been the laughingstocks of the media since Monday night. Could this bring the team together and motivate them? While at the same team have the Ravens sleeping on this game a bit after their 27-0 shutout over Tampa? And nobody wants to go 0-2 into their bye week. Reasons why Oakland won't make this a game...1) Week one 27-0 Baltimore wins...27-0 Oakland loses.2) Short week and long East Coast swing trip for Oakland.3) Ray Lewis...Ray Lewis...Ray Lewis4) Jamal Lewis...Jamal Lewis...Jamal Lewis5) Steve McNair...Steve McNair...Steve McNair6) Ed Reed...Chris McAlister...Samari Rolle...Dawan Landry...Corey Ivy

7) Terrell Suggs vs. fresh meat8) Head Coach that stands parylized on the sideline instead of looking to make adjustments.9) Game plan that ceased to be effective in the 90s.

 

[moleculo]

If moleculo is betting on the Raiders WINNING the game, I'll take that bet.Right now, please.

Here's what I think:

let me reiterate - i don't think that there is any way oak can possibly beat Baltimore. No way. Unpossible. I think the oakland offense is liable to give up more scores than they score themselves, in terms of returned fumbles and ints. The Baltimore D is a better scoring threat than the raider O, IMO.When ever I'm this sure that event A will happen, the opposite usually occurs, and that's what worries me about this game. I bet this game knocks alot of people out of survivor pools early.

There is just too much lined up pointing to Baltimore crushing Oakland. Everyone is coming in here, giving evidence as to why this will happen. That's what scares me the most. there is NO REASON oakland should win, which is why they have a shot.I would not bet on oakland at all, but you won't see me picking Baltimore in the survivor pool.

 

[Marc Levin]

If moleculo is betting on the Raiders WINNING the game, I'll take that bet.Right now, please.

Here's what I think:

let me reiterate - i don't think that there is any way oak can possibly beat Baltimore. No way. Unpossible. I think the oakland offense is liable to give up more scores than they score themselves, in terms of returned fumbles and ints. The Baltimore D is a better scoring threat than the raider O, IMO.When ever I'm this sure that event A will happen, the opposite usually occurs, and that's what worries me about this game. I bet this game knocks alot of people out of survivor pools early.

There is just too much lined up pointing to Baltimore crushing Oakland. Everyone is coming in here, giving evidence as to why this will happen. That's what scares me the most. there is NO REASON oakland should win, which is why they have a shot.I would not bet on oakland at all, but you won't see me picking Baltimore in the survivor pool.

Aren't those the exact same things? Yo might not have a better game this year to take the Ravens to win and then never get to play them again.If you can't poick LOSERS again, you may want to save Oakland.

 

[Marc Levin]

BTW, betting the money line on the Raiders doing the "unpossible" by WINNING the game is a BETTER bet than not taking the Ravens to win the game.

I think it is 100 to win 250 right now.

 

[moleculo]

If moleculo is betting on the Raiders WINNING the game, I'll take that bet.Right now, please.

Here's what I think:

let me reiterate - i don't think that there is any way oak can possibly beat Baltimore. No way. Unpossible. I think the oakland offense is liable to give up more scores than they score themselves, in terms of returned fumbles and ints. The Baltimore D is a better scoring threat than the raider O, IMO.When ever I'm this sure that event A will happen, the opposite usually occurs, and that's what worries me about this game. I bet this game knocks alot of people out of survivor pools early.

There is just too much lined up pointing to Baltimore crushing Oakland. Everyone is coming in here, giving evidence as to why this will happen. That's what scares me the most. there is NO REASON oakland should win, which is why they have a shot.I would not bet on oakland at all, but you won't see me picking Baltimore in the survivor pool.

Aren't those the exact same things? Yo might not have a better game this year to take the Ravens to win and then never get to play them again.If you can't poick LOSERS again, you may want to save Oakland.

Baltimore still has games vs Cleveland, right? I'll pick them for that game.I'll be happy to pick against oakland again. I did pick SD in week 1, purely based on perceived disarray. I'll pick against them again, just not this week.

 

[Raiders Fan]

I believe that Oakland is that bad. Gallery is out & it would take allot for me to start L.Jordan. His 34th ranking by FBG is about right. This game is going to get ugly real fast IMO. I see an Art Shell stepping down for the betterment of the team press conference coming around week 4. I feel for Raider fans right now. I can sympathize being Lions homer.

I am sitting Jordan for JJ..

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

BTW, betting the money line on the Raiders doing the "unpossible" by WINNING the game is a BETTER bet than not taking the Ravens to win the game.

I think it is 100 to win 250 right now.

If you bet the Raiders to win, you'd bet 100 to win 655. (Pinnacle)(Betting 100 to win 250 would equate to the Ravens being about six-point favorites.)

 

[Marc Levin]

I haven't checked lines since Monday's opening

Heck, a 50 dollar bet is well worth those numbers.

 

[Keys Myaths]

BTW, betting the money line on the Raiders doing the "unpossible" by WINNING the game is a BETTER bet than not taking the Ravens to win the game.

I think it is 100 to win 250 right now.

If you bet the Raiders to win, you'd bet 100 to win 655. (Pinnacle)(Betting 100 to win 250 would equate to the Ravens being about six-point favorites.)

Dear God.Do people *realistically* think that the percentage chance of Oakland winning is THAT low?

Seriously.

 

[Marc Levin]

50 to get you 327.50 seems like a decent bet.

 

[WarRedbirds]

I like the Raiders to win outright.

 

[Marc Levin]

Put your where your is.

Bet the money line. It's a GREAT bet.

 

[Al Davis]

This game makes me nervous. All signs point to Baltimore killing the raiders - each was on opposite sides of a 27-0 game last week. One team looks like a SB caliber team, the other looks like a Brady Quinn caliber team.

Games like this make me nervous - when ever you think you have the NFL figured out, the unthinkable happens. There are too many signs pointing to a Baltimore blowout - I'm starting to think that this might be one of those games that drive gamblers crazy.

Fantasy implications of a raider win: plus for Brooks, Jordan, Moss, minus for McNair and Jamal. This game does have fantasy significance here, I think this game is fairly important.

Is anyone else nervous thinking about this game?

Hi moleculo,I hear you - it's always a good idea to check one's enthusiasm in this league.

But I dunno, I'm starting to seriously wonder if Aaron Brooks can get out of this game without leaving on a stretcher. I really think it's a mismatch of dangerous proportions.

J

Seriously Joe, the only mismatch in proportion is chemistry and timing. After a careful perusal of the San Diego game, and yes it was torture, they are not as bad as advertised by the score. The Raiders are not severely gapped in talent against any team in the NFL, just a matter of intangible field play. And yes, there are signs posted to predict my bias but if they can gel, the Raiders could and can win. If you were sitting down to a Makers and Coke in a Vegas sports book and debating the place on this game, it would be Oakland, tell the truth.

Nice Boat by the way, our business manager is looking at buying one.

 

[Raiders Fan]

I like the Raiders to win outright.

Did you take them in survivor??

 

[STBootleg]

FWIW,On Thursday I heard on Baltimore radio that after practice was over, Ray Lewis held the defense after and actually had sheets he was going over with them and running extra drills with the D as if he were the coach. Ryan was already giving interviews to media, but the D was running extra practice by themselves run by Lewis.

I think it's safe to say that this defense will not over look OAK. and will be ready come Sunday.

 

[amnesiac]

Baltimore still has games vs Cleveland, right? I'll pick them for that game.

unfortunately for my Browns, Cle @ Bal is a pretty safe game to bet on Bal.

 

[JerseyEagles]

Well, it may very well be a trap game, by I'm not taking any chances this week. Lamont and Brooks are benched and I traded Moss. Don't think he's putting up top 10 WR numbers this year.

 

[amnesiac]

Well, it may very well be a trap game, by I'm not taking any chances this week. Lamont and Brooks are benched and I traded Moss. Don't think he's putting up top 10 WR numbers this year.

what are you doing with Courtney Anderson and Janikowski?

 

[WarRedbirds]

I like the Raiders to win outright.

Did you take them in survivor??

No, there are of course better bets out there. But I wouldn't take Baltimore, lets put it that way.The way I see it, one game does not make a season. I don't think the Raiders are as bad as they looked in week 1, and I don't think the Ravens are as good.

 

[WarRedbirds]

Put your where your is.Bet the money line. It's a GREAT bet.

100 to 655, I like that payout. If I was in Vegas, I would pull the trigger on that bet.

 

[Traders2001]

Good point, Raide r- and I agree that you are betting against other bettors, not Vegas.But, it STILL can be a "trap game." A game when you want to bet on Baltimore, but the line is so big that the risk is bigger than it should be. 12 points IS a lot in the NFL, esp. for a dominating defensive team like the Ravens.Imagine a 17-3 game heading into the 4th Q. and the Ravens have been dominating defensively. Garbage time - 5 minutes left in the game - no scoring b/c the Ravens' D has been dominant and they are running out the clock. Raiders score a TD.Spread shot - even if the Ravens put up an insurance FG at some point in the 4th. THAT is the definitoin of a "trap" game.IMO, the smartest bet in this game is the under.

I hear ya.However you guys want to define a "trap" game, I don't think this one qualifies.The Raiders ARE as bad as they looked, IMO.

 

[SickThing]

Put your where your is.Bet the money line. It's a GREAT bet.

100 to 655, I like that payout. If I was in Vegas, I would pull the trigger on that bet.

I still might not take that bet at twice those odds. ETA: I took Baltimore in several survivor pools this week.

 

[Raider Nation]

Good point, Raide r- and I agree that you are betting against other bettors, not Vegas.But, it STILL can be a "trap game." A game when you want to bet on Baltimore, but the line is so big that the risk is bigger than it should be. 12 points IS a lot in the NFL, esp. for a dominating defensive team like the Ravens.Imagine a 17-3 game heading into the 4th Q. and the Ravens have been dominating defensively. Garbage time - 5 minutes left in the game - no scoring b/c the Ravens' D has been dominant and they are running out the clock. Raiders score a TD.Spread shot - even if the Ravens put up an insurance FG at some point in the 4th. THAT is the definitoin of a "trap" game.IMO, the smartest bet in this game is the under.

I hear ya.However you guys want to define a "trap" game, I don't think this one qualifies.The Raiders ARE as bad as they looked, IMO.

I tried to tell ya... This team is downright A-W-F-U-L.I hope Oakland goes 1-15. We'll get the first pick, and there'll be a new coaching staff.