Obama speech seems to support reparations (1 Viewer)

[T Bell]

Every time I start getting comfortable with the thought of a President Obama he goes and says something along these lines.

And every time I think you might be a rational person, you post something like this.Even if monetary reparations was the strongest issue Barack Obama personally supported, does anyone think he's dumb enough to actual state that? And does anyone really think he actually even believes that?

Are you saying he did not say this? If he did say this are you saying he just says things without really meaning it?

Said what? That reparations should be in the form of better inner city schools and jobs? How is that controversial?

So in other words, but for slavery, we need not worry about inner city schools and jobs. That's great political thought right there. Brilliant.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Every time I start getting comfortable with the thought of a President Obama he goes and says something along these lines.

And every time I think you might be a rational person, you post something like this.Even if monetary reparations was the strongest issue Barack Obama personally supported, does anyone think he's dumb enough to actual state that? And does anyone really think he actually even believes that?

Are you saying he did not say this? If he did say this are you saying he just says things without really meaning it?

Said what? That reparations should be in the form of better inner city schools and jobs? How is that controversial?

So if you are an African American... the government should provide better inner city jobs as a form of reparation for something that has been outlawed for well over a 100 years?

I think you're taking him too literally. You need some context.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Every time I start getting comfortable with the thought of a President Obama he goes and says something along these lines.

And every time I think you might be a rational person, you post something like this.Even if monetary reparations was the strongest issue Barack Obama personally supported, does anyone think he's dumb enough to actual state that? And does anyone really think he actually even believes that?

Are you saying he did not say this? If he did say this are you saying he just says things without really meaning it?

Said what? That reparations should be in the form of better inner city schools and jobs? How is that controversial?

So in other words, but for slavery, we need not worry about inner city schools and jobs. That's great political thought right there. Brilliant.

Who said that?

 

[T Bell]

I don't think that's what Obama meant. I'm guessing he meant that . . .

Do Obama defenders just cut and paste this into threads like this?

 

[T Bell]

Every time I start getting comfortable with the thought of a President Obama he goes and says something along these lines.

And every time I think you might be a rational person, you post something like this.Even if monetary reparations was the strongest issue Barack Obama personally supported, does anyone think he's dumb enough to actual state that? And does anyone really think he actually even believes that?

Are you saying he did not say this? If he did say this are you saying he just says things without really meaning it?

Said what? That reparations should be in the form of better inner city schools and jobs? How is that controversial?

So in other words, but for slavery, we need not worry about inner city schools and jobs. That's great political thought right there. Brilliant.

Who said that?

This little friend I hang with called Mr. Logic.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I don't think that's what Obama meant. I'm guessing he meant that . . .

Do Obama defenders just cut and paste this into threads like this?

Sorry that his position is a bit more nuanced than you're used to.

 

[StrikeS2k]

I don't think that's what Obama meant. I'm guessing he meant that . . .

Do Obama defenders just cut and paste this into threads like this?

Sorry that his position is a bit more nuanced than you're used to.

I think some people would like to know what he meant. So far you really haven't shed much light on that.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

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[Widbil83]

I don't think that's what Obama meant. I'm guessing he meant that . . .

Do Obama defenders just cut and paste this into threads like this?

Sorry that his position is a bit more nuanced than you're used to.

I think some people would like to know what he meant. So far you really haven't shed much light on that.

Just another one of the 1,000 cases where Barack misspoke or misremembered and people misunderstood what he was saying. Noting to see here as usual.

 

[Chadstroma]

Every time I start getting comfortable with the thought of a President Obama he goes and says something along these lines.

And every time I think you might be a rational person, you post something like this.Even if monetary reparations was the strongest issue Barack Obama personally supported, does anyone think he's dumb enough to actual state that? And does anyone really think he actually even believes that?

Are you saying he did not say this? If he did say this are you saying he just says things without really meaning it?

Said what? That reparations should be in the form of better inner city schools and jobs? How is that controversial?

So if you are an African American... the government should provide better inner city jobs as a form of reparation for something that has been outlawed for well over a 100 years?

I think you're taking him too literally. You need some context.

And what is the context?

 

[T Bell]

Every time I start getting comfortable with the thought of a President Obama he goes and says something along these lines.

And every time I think you might be a rational person, you post something like this.Even if monetary reparations was the strongest issue Barack Obama personally supported, does anyone think he's dumb enough to actual state that? And does anyone really think he actually even believes that?

Are you saying he did not say this? If he did say this are you saying he just says things without really meaning it?

Said what? That reparations should be in the form of better inner city schools and jobs? How is that controversial?

So if you are an African American... the government should provide better inner city jobs as a form of reparation for something that has been outlawed for well over a 100 years?

I think you're taking him too literally. You need some context.

And what is the context?

Hope. And audacity. The audacity of hope. And progress.

 

[Chadstroma]

Every time I start getting comfortable with the thought of a President Obama he goes and says something along these lines.

And every time I think you might be a rational person, you post something like this.Even if monetary reparations was the strongest issue Barack Obama personally supported, does anyone think he's dumb enough to actual state that? And does anyone really think he actually even believes that?

Are you saying he did not say this? If he did say this are you saying he just says things without really meaning it?

Said what? That reparations should be in the form of better inner city schools and jobs? How is that controversial?

So if you are an African American... the government should provide better inner city jobs as a form of reparation for something that has been outlawed for well over a 100 years?

I think you're taking him too literally. You need some context.

And what is the context?

Hope. And audacity. The audacity of hope. And progress.

You forgot Change.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Glad to see things are getting a whole lot smarter in here.

 

[Chadstroma]

By the way, where do we draw the line on any reparations?

Is there not a case to be made for many people groups that they are owed something for some historic treatment?

Asians, Hispanics, Irish, Jews... I mean, pretty much almost all people groups other than perhaps decendents of full blooded Englishmen that settled early in the original colonies.

Is there a sliding scale? This people group was enslaved... BIG pay day. This group was huddled into camps during a war... you get a big check but not as big as the enslaved group. This group over here was discriminated against socially... they get the smallest check.

What if you are half a particular group? Does that men you get half a check or a job or an education?

Do females get any reparations? I mean, after all, they get paid less than men. So, maybe the government gives them all a check to make up for earning less. Or do they all get promotions?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

:headexplode:

 

[Homer J Simpson]

By the way, where do we draw the line on any reparations? Is there not a case to be made for many people groups that they are owed something for some historic treatment? Asians, Hispanics, Irish, Jews... I mean, pretty much almost all people groups other than perhaps decendents of full blooded Englishmen that settled early in the original colonies. Is there a sliding scale? This people group was enslaved... BIG pay day. This group was huddled into camps during a war... you get a big check but not as big as the enslaved group. This group over here was discriminated against socially... they get the smallest check. What if you are half a particular group? Does that men you get half a check or a job or an education? Do females get any reparations? I mean, after all, they get paid less than men. So, maybe the government gives them all a check to make up for earning less. Or do they all get promotions?

Are you drunk?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Really guys, I think some of you are being intentionally obtuse because I know you're not this stupid.

 

[T Bell]

Really guys, I think some of you are being intentionally obtuse because I know you're not this stupid.

irony>hi

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

CHICAGO » Sen. Barack Obama, speaking to a gathering of minority journalists yesterday, stopped short of endorsing an official U.S. apology to American Indians but said the country should acknowledge its history of poor treatment of certain ethnic groups."There's no doubt that when it comes to our treatment of Native Americans as well as other persons of color in this country, we've got some very sad and difficult things to account for," Obama told hundreds of attendees of UNITY '08, a convention of four minority journalism associations.The Hawaii-born senator, who has told local reporters that he supports the federal recognition bill for native Hawaiians drafted by U.S. Sen. Daniel Akaka, noted other ethnic groups but did not mention native Hawaiians when answering a question about his thoughts on a formal U.S. apology to American Indians."I personally would want to see our tragic history, or the tragic elements of our history, acknowledged," the Democratic presidential hopeful said."I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds."Obama, who appeared tired in his first major appearance since returning Saturday from a 10-day trip abroad, met with a receptive audience at the Chicago convention. Some journalists had waited three hours for the 40-minute appearance.The group had expected Obama and Sen. John McCain to speak on Thursday night, but because of scheduling conflicts, only Obama could attend yesterday morning's talk.When Obama walked on stage at the McCormick Center, many journalists in the audience leapt to their feet and applauded enthusiastically after being told not to do so. During a two-minute break halfway through the event, which was broadcast live on CNN, journalists ran to the stage to snap photos of Obama.The Illinois senator talked about his trip overseas, reiterating his opinion that violence is down in Iraq but worsening in Afghanistan. And he expressed his approval of the Senate's passage of a major housing bill to help homeowners avert foreclosure.Obama, who acknowledged that he needed a nap, stood up to say farewell to the audience of journalists, many of whom gave him another standing ovation.

Can anyone explain all the hysteria over this?

 

[Desert_Power]

By the way, where do we draw the line on any reparations? Is there not a case to be made for many people groups that they are owed something for some historic treatment? Asians, Hispanics, Irish, Jews... I mean, pretty much almost all people groups other than perhaps decendents of full blooded Englishmen that settled early in the original colonies. Is there a sliding scale? This people group was enslaved... BIG pay day. This group was huddled into camps during a war... you get a big check but not as big as the enslaved group. This group over here was discriminated against socially... they get the smallest check. What if you are half a particular group? Does that men you get half a check or a job or an education? Do females get any reparations? I mean, after all, they get paid less than men. So, maybe the government gives them all a check to make up for earning less. Or do they all get promotions?

 

[Chadstroma]

By the way, where do we draw the line on any reparations? Is there not a case to be made for many people groups that they are owed something for some historic treatment? Asians, Hispanics, Irish, Jews... I mean, pretty much almost all people groups other than perhaps decendents of full blooded Englishmen that settled early in the original colonies. Is there a sliding scale? This people group was enslaved... BIG pay day. This group was huddled into camps during a war... you get a big check but not as big as the enslaved group. This group over here was discriminated against socially... they get the smallest check. What if you are half a particular group? Does that men you get half a check or a job or an education? Do females get any reparations? I mean, after all, they get paid less than men. So, maybe the government gives them all a check to make up for earning less. Or do they all get promotions?

Are you drunk?

Why not just answer the questions?

 

[Chadstroma]

CHICAGO » Sen. Barack Obama, speaking to a gathering of minority journalists yesterday, stopped short of endorsing an official U.S. apology to American Indians but said the country should acknowledge its history of poor treatment of certain ethnic groups.

"There's no doubt that when it comes to our treatment of Native Americans as well as other persons of color in this country, we've got some very sad and difficult things to account for," Obama told hundreds of attendees of UNITY '08, a convention of four minority journalism associations.

The Hawaii-born senator, who has told local reporters that he supports the federal recognition bill for native Hawaiians drafted by U.S. Sen. Daniel Akaka, noted other ethnic groups but did not mention native Hawaiians when answering a question about his thoughts on a formal U.S. apology to American Indians.

"I personally would want to see our tragic history, or the tragic elements of our history, acknowledged," the Democratic presidential hopeful said.

"I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds."

Obama, who appeared tired in his first major appearance since returning Saturday from a 10-day trip abroad, met with a receptive audience at the Chicago convention. Some journalists had waited three hours for the 40-minute appearance.

The group had expected Obama and Sen. John McCain to speak on Thursday night, but because of scheduling conflicts, only Obama could attend yesterday morning's talk.

When Obama walked on stage at the McCormick Center, many journalists in the audience leapt to their feet and applauded enthusiastically after being told not to do so. During a two-minute break halfway through the event, which was broadcast live on CNN, journalists ran to the stage to snap photos of Obama.

The Illinois senator talked about his trip overseas, reiterating his opinion that violence is down in Iraq but worsening in Afghanistan. And he expressed his approval of the Senate's passage of a major housing bill to help homeowners avert foreclosure.

Obama, who acknowledged that he needed a nap, stood up to say farewell to the audience of journalists, many of whom gave him another standing ovation.

Can anyone explain all the hysteria over this?

Honestly? It is Obama's own fault. Anyone other than the people who have converted to the Obama religion are still trying to figure out who this guy is. He has little in way of a track record to really tell us about what he truly believes. And he tends to say everything to all people.

(For all Obamaniacs that is your cue to make some smug comment about me being insane or high or whatever else you choose)

 

[jonessed]

We could always offer them some beads and shiny rims.

 

[tommyGunZ]

By the way, where do we draw the line on any reparations? Is there not a case to be made for many people groups that they are owed something for some historic treatment? Asians, Hispanics, Irish, Jews... I mean, pretty much almost all people groups other than perhaps decendents of full blooded Englishmen that settled early in the original colonies. Is there a sliding scale? This people group was enslaved... BIG pay day. This group was huddled into camps during a war... you get a big check but not as big as the enslaved group. This group over here was discriminated against socially... they get the smallest check. What if you are half a particular group? Does that men you get half a check or a job or an education? Do females get any reparations? I mean, after all, they get paid less than men. So, maybe the government gives them all a check to make up for earning less. Or do they all get promotions?

Are you drunk?

Why not just answer the questions?

Obama isn't talking about paying anyone. He's simply pointing out that our mistreatment of various minorities is one factor in some of the challenges we see those groups facing today. He's saying that paying people for past transgressions isn't the answer - but we have an obligation to ensure that those who still suffer from the results of slavery and displacement are put on an even playing field with regard to educational opportunities. What is wrong with that?

 

[Chadstroma]

By the way, where do we draw the line on any reparations? Is there not a case to be made for many people groups that they are owed something for some historic treatment? Asians, Hispanics, Irish, Jews... I mean, pretty much almost all people groups other than perhaps decendents of full blooded Englishmen that settled early in the original colonies. Is there a sliding scale? This people group was enslaved... BIG pay day. This group was huddled into camps during a war... you get a big check but not as big as the enslaved group. This group over here was discriminated against socially... they get the smallest check. What if you are half a particular group? Does that men you get half a check or a job or an education? Do females get any reparations? I mean, after all, they get paid less than men. So, maybe the government gives them all a check to make up for earning less. Or do they all get promotions?

Are you drunk?

Why not just answer the questions?

Obama isn't talking about paying anyone. He's simply pointing out that our mistreatment of various minorities is one factor in some of the challenges we see those groups facing today. He's saying that paying people for past transgressions isn't the answer - but we have an obligation to ensure that those who still suffer from the results of slavery and displacement are put on an even playing field with regard to educational opportunities. What is wrong with that?

How did you get all of that out of what I just read? Were their footnotes that only Obamaniacs can see? Some form of Obamaniac secret code that you get the super duper decoder upon acceptance into the fainting club?

 

[tommyGunZ]

By the way, where do we draw the line on any reparations? Is there not a case to be made for many people groups that they are owed something for some historic treatment? Asians, Hispanics, Irish, Jews... I mean, pretty much almost all people groups other than perhaps decendents of full blooded Englishmen that settled early in the original colonies. Is there a sliding scale? This people group was enslaved... BIG pay day. This group was huddled into camps during a war... you get a big check but not as big as the enslaved group. This group over here was discriminated against socially... they get the smallest check. What if you are half a particular group? Does that men you get half a check or a job or an education? Do females get any reparations? I mean, after all, they get paid less than men. So, maybe the government gives them all a check to make up for earning less. Or do they all get promotions?

Are you drunk?

Why not just answer the questions?

Obama isn't talking about paying anyone. He's simply pointing out that our mistreatment of various minorities is one factor in some of the challenges we see those groups facing today. He's saying that paying people for past transgressions isn't the answer - but we have an obligation to ensure that those who still suffer from the results of slavery and displacement are put on an even playing field with regard to educational opportunities. What is wrong with that?

How did you get all of that out of what I just read? Were their footnotes that only Obamaniacs can see? Some form of Obamaniac secret code that you get the super duper decoder upon acceptance into the fainting club?

Your reading is that Obama wants to give females reparations because they make less than men - my reading is that Obama wants more attention and focus given to schools that are struggling, underfunded and not coincidentally full of minorities.I'll let you decide which reading is likely closest to the truth.

 

[Chadstroma]

By the way, where do we draw the line on any reparations? Is there not a case to be made for many people groups that they are owed something for some historic treatment? Asians, Hispanics, Irish, Jews... I mean, pretty much almost all people groups other than perhaps decendents of full blooded Englishmen that settled early in the original colonies. Is there a sliding scale? This people group was enslaved... BIG pay day. This group was huddled into camps during a war... you get a big check but not as big as the enslaved group. This group over here was discriminated against socially... they get the smallest check. What if you are half a particular group? Does that men you get half a check or a job or an education? Do females get any reparations? I mean, after all, they get paid less than men. So, maybe the government gives them all a check to make up for earning less. Or do they all get promotions?

Are you drunk?

Why not just answer the questions?

Obama isn't talking about paying anyone. He's simply pointing out that our mistreatment of various minorities is one factor in some of the challenges we see those groups facing today. He's saying that paying people for past transgressions isn't the answer - but we have an obligation to ensure that those who still suffer from the results of slavery and displacement are put on an even playing field with regard to educational opportunities. What is wrong with that?

How did you get all of that out of what I just read? Were their footnotes that only Obamaniacs can see? Some form of Obamaniac secret code that you get the super duper decoder upon acceptance into the fainting club?

Your reading is that Obama wants to give females reparations because they make less than men - my reading is that Obama wants more attention and focus given to schools that are struggling, underfunded and not coincidentally full of minorities.I'll let you decide which reading is likely closest to the truth.

Wow... you love to read into things. I still do not understand how you got all of that out of what has been posted and I have no idea how you twisted what I have posted as being what Obama is saying. I never said Obama wants to give females reparations. I asked where you draw the line? What people groups deserve reparations and others do not. How do you decide what is 'fair' and if that is 'fair' for one group then how do you tell another group that their hardships or historical struggles are not real or important enough to get special treatment in 'deeds' from the government.

 

[tommyGunZ]

By the way, where do we draw the line on any reparations? Is there not a case to be made for many people groups that they are owed something for some historic treatment? Asians, Hispanics, Irish, Jews... I mean, pretty much almost all people groups other than perhaps decendents of full blooded Englishmen that settled early in the original colonies. Is there a sliding scale? This people group was enslaved... BIG pay day. This group was huddled into camps during a war... you get a big check but not as big as the enslaved group. This group over here was discriminated against socially... they get the smallest check. What if you are half a particular group? Does that men you get half a check or a job or an education? Do females get any reparations? I mean, after all, they get paid less than men. So, maybe the government gives them all a check to make up for earning less. Or do they all get promotions?

Are you drunk?

Why not just answer the questions?

Obama isn't talking about paying anyone. He's simply pointing out that our mistreatment of various minorities is one factor in some of the challenges we see those groups facing today. He's saying that paying people for past transgressions isn't the answer - but we have an obligation to ensure that those who still suffer from the results of slavery and displacement are put on an even playing field with regard to educational opportunities. What is wrong with that?

How did you get all of that out of what I just read? Were their footnotes that only Obamaniacs can see? Some form of Obamaniac secret code that you get the super duper decoder upon acceptance into the fainting club?

Your reading is that Obama wants to give females reparations because they make less than men - my reading is that Obama wants more attention and focus given to schools that are struggling, underfunded and not coincidentally full of minorities.I'll let you decide which reading is likely closest to the truth.

Wow... you love to read into things. I still do not understand how you got all of that out of what has been posted and I have no idea how you twisted what I have posted as being what Obama is saying. I never said Obama wants to give females reparations. I asked where you draw the line? What people groups deserve reparations and others do not. How do you decide what is 'fair' and if that is 'fair' for one group then how do you tell another group that their hardships or historical struggles are not real or important enough to get special treatment in 'deeds' from the government.

You've lost me bro. You can't even discuss the issue with making stupid arguments about female reparations. I've explained to you several times that Obama isn't in favor of "reparations" as you and others are suggesting, he's pointing out that fixing our past transgressions should mean putting additional focus on the education of those who are disadvantaged as a result of the mistreatment of their ancestors. That doesn't mean "special treatment"; it means making sure that inner city schools are properly funded and children in those areas are afforded the same educational opportunities as children in public schools in other areas.I'm blown away that you or anyone wouldn't want the same thing.

 

[StrikeS2k]

I don't think that's what Obama meant. I'm guessing he meant that . . .

Do Obama defenders just cut and paste this into threads like this?

Sorry that his position is a bit more nuanced than you're used to.

I think some people would like to know what he meant. So far you really haven't shed much light on that.

Just another one of the 1,000 cases where Barack misspoke or misremembered and people misunderstood what he was saying. Noting to see here as usual.

Yeah. Well, I guess that answers things. Thanks Bud

 

[roadkill1292]

CHICAGO » Sen. Barack Obama, speaking to a gathering of minority journalists yesterday, stopped short of endorsing an official U.S. apology to American Indians but said the country should acknowledge its history of poor treatment of certain ethnic groups."There's no doubt that when it comes to our treatment of Native Americans as well as other persons of color in this country, we've got some very sad and difficult things to account for," Obama told hundreds of attendees of UNITY '08, a convention of four minority journalism associations.The Hawaii-born senator, who has told local reporters that he supports the federal recognition bill for native Hawaiians drafted by U.S. Sen. Daniel Akaka, noted other ethnic groups but did not mention native Hawaiians when answering a question about his thoughts on a formal U.S. apology to American Indians."I personally would want to see our tragic history, or the tragic elements of our history, acknowledged," the Democratic presidential hopeful said."I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds."Obama, who appeared tired in his first major appearance since returning Saturday from a 10-day trip abroad, met with a receptive audience at the Chicago convention. Some journalists had waited three hours for the 40-minute appearance.The group had expected Obama and Sen. John McCain to speak on Thursday night, but because of scheduling conflicts, only Obama could attend yesterday morning's talk.When Obama walked on stage at the McCormick Center, many journalists in the audience leapt to their feet and applauded enthusiastically after being told not to do so. During a two-minute break halfway through the event, which was broadcast live on CNN, journalists ran to the stage to snap photos of Obama.The Illinois senator talked about his trip overseas, reiterating his opinion that violence is down in Iraq but worsening in Afghanistan. And he expressed his approval of the Senate's passage of a major housing bill to help homeowners avert foreclosure.Obama, who acknowledged that he needed a nap, stood up to say farewell to the audience of journalists, many of whom gave him another standing ovation.

Can anyone explain all the hysteria over this?

Since when do journalists applaud the candidates? This is a little puzzling. And disturbing.

 

[Darth Cheney]

CHICAGO » Sen. Barack Obama, speaking to a gathering of minority journalists yesterday, stopped short of endorsing an official U.S. apology to American Indians but said the country should acknowledge its history of poor treatment of certain ethnic groups."There's no doubt that when it comes to our treatment of Native Americans as well as other persons of color in this country, we've got some very sad and difficult things to account for," Obama told hundreds of attendees of UNITY '08, a convention of four minority journalism associations.The Hawaii-born senator, who has told local reporters that he supports the federal recognition bill for native Hawaiians drafted by U.S. Sen. Daniel Akaka, noted other ethnic groups but did not mention native Hawaiians when answering a question about his thoughts on a formal U.S. apology to American Indians."I personally would want to see our tragic history, or the tragic elements of our history, acknowledged," the Democratic presidential hopeful said."I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds."Obama, who appeared tired in his first major appearance since returning Saturday from a 10-day trip abroad, met with a receptive audience at the Chicago convention. Some journalists had waited three hours for the 40-minute appearance.The group had expected Obama and Sen. John McCain to speak on Thursday night, but because of scheduling conflicts, only Obama could attend yesterday morning's talk.When Obama walked on stage at the McCormick Center, many journalists in the audience leapt to their feet and applauded enthusiastically after being told not to do so. During a two-minute break halfway through the event, which was broadcast live on CNN, journalists ran to the stage to snap photos of Obama.The Illinois senator talked about his trip overseas, reiterating his opinion that violence is down in Iraq but worsening in Afghanistan. And he expressed his approval of the Senate's passage of a major housing bill to help homeowners avert foreclosure.Obama, who acknowledged that he needed a nap, stood up to say farewell to the audience of journalists, many of whom gave him another standing ovation.

Can anyone explain all the hysteria over this?

Because he is saying things that one group of people thinks should have been said a long time ago and another group of people don't want to hear.

 

[beer 30]

Well, I wonder what he means by deeds. If by deeds, he means boatloads of cash, then I disagree with him.

Well, let me see.We attempted to help freed slaves start their own country. We fought a war where more than 600,000 people were killed and another 400,000 were wounded. We amended the Constitution. We enacted legislation against discrimination based upon race. We enacted legislation that discriminates in favor of racial minorities.What's left?

Maybe a plaque? Plaques are nice, especially if you get them in bright colors and put really big words on them written in caligraphy so it looks super cool.I vote for a plaque.

 

[Godsbrother]

Obama not for reparations

Maybe not.But...what the H did he just say in the quote? Kind of hard to take it another way since it is a direct quote.

And...come, on, now. This quote that you linked is from 4 years ago. This is Mr. "Change". He could have had 17 different positions since then.

Will you cry when Obama is inevitably elected this winter?

I'd guess that weeping for the future of our country would qualify.

If our country can survive 8 years of GWB I am convinced we can survive anything (with the possible exception of another 8 years of GWB).

 

[Follows Closely]

By the way, where do we draw the line on any reparations?

Is there not a case to be made for many people groups that they are owed something for some historic treatment?

Asians, Hispanics, Irish, Jews... I mean, pretty much almost all people groups other than perhaps decendents of full blooded Englishmen that settled early in the original colonies.

Is there a sliding scale? This people group was enslaved... BIG pay day. This group was huddled into camps during a war... you get a big check but not as big as the enslaved group. This group over here was discriminated against socially... they get the smallest check.

What if you are half a particular group? Does that men you get half a check or a job or an education?

Do females get any reparations? I mean, after all, they get paid less than men. So, maybe the government gives them all a check to make up for earning less. Or do they all get promotions?

Are you drunk?

Why not just answer the questions?

Obama isn't talking about paying anyone. He's simply pointing out that our mistreatment of various minorities is one factor in some of the challenges we see those groups facing today. He's saying that paying people for past transgressions isn't the answer - but we have an obligation to ensure that those who still suffer from the results of slavery and displacement are put on an even playing field with regard to educational opportunities. What is wrong with that?

I have a hard time believing that people are still being hindered because their great grand dad was a slave.

 

[popeye]

I just hope the deeds allow Latrell Sprewell's kids to get that meal that they've been so patiently waiting for.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

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[Captain Quinoa]

Every time I start getting comfortable with the thought of a President Obama he goes and says something along these lines.

And every time I think you might be a rational person, you post something like this.Even if monetary reparations was the strongest issue Barack Obama personally supported, does anyone think he's dumb enough to actual state that? And does anyone really think he actually even believes that?

Are you saying he did not say this? If he did say this are you saying he just says things without really meaning it?

Said what? That reparations should be in the form of better inner city schools and jobs? How is that controversial?

So if you are an African American... the government should provide better inner city jobs as a form of reparation for something that has been outlawed for well over a 100 years?

I think you're taking him too literally. You need some context.

And what is the context?

growing up as a poor inner city black man like barack and tommygunz

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

Can anyone explain all the hysteria over this?

Because he is saying things that one group of people thinks should have been said a long time ago and another group of people don't want to hear.

I agree. He's trying to walk a tightrope here by trying to appease the reparations crowd without calling for reparations.Of course, somebody made a great point - what about African-Americans who don't live in the inner city?

 

[JaxBill]

I thought the other part of the article was interesting too.

When Obama walked on stage at the McCormick Center, many journalists in the audience leapt to their feet and applauded enthusiastically after being told not to do so. During a two-minute break halfway through the event, which was broadcast live on CNN, journalists ran to the stage to snap photos of Obama.

 

[toshiba]

By the way, where do we draw the line on any reparations?

Is there not a case to be made for many people groups that they are owed something for some historic treatment?

Asians, Hispanics, Irish, Jews... I mean, pretty much almost all people groups other than perhaps decendents of full blooded Englishmen that settled early in the original colonies.

Is there a sliding scale? This people group was enslaved... BIG pay day. This group was huddled into camps during a war... you get a big check but not as big as the enslaved group. This group over here was discriminated against socially... they get the smallest check.

What if you are half a particular group? Does that men you get half a check or a job or an education?

Do females get any reparations? I mean, after all, they get paid less than men. So, maybe the government gives them all a check to make up for earning less. Or do they all get promotions?

Are you drunk?

Why not just answer the questions?

Obama isn't talking about paying anyone. He's simply pointing out that our mistreatment of various minorities is one factor in some of the challenges we see those groups facing today. He's saying that paying people for past transgressions isn't the answer - but we have an obligation to ensure that those who still suffer from the results of slavery and displacement are put on an even playing field with regard to educational opportunities. What is wrong with that?

I have a hard time believing that people are still being hindered because their great grand dad was a slave.

Slavery destroyed the African 'American' family in this country and it still has not recovered. Do you not understand the value of a solid family unit? Do I think money will solve the problem, no way! Do I think that many African Americans see effects of slavery on their culture, absolutly.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I wonder how much we should give the American Indian since we pretty much pulled a Hitler and tried to wipe their race from the planet. Or how about all of the Japanese and Chinese slaves that were brought here to build rail roads? But worst of all we would have to give deeds to the damn Europeans that were brought over here and used as slaves and or indentured servants. This is gonna be a fine mess to straighten out.

 

[toshiba]

I wonder how much we should give the American Indian since we pretty much pulled a Hitler and tried to wipe their race from the planet. Or how about all of the Japanese and Chinese slaves that were brought here to build rail roads? But worst of all we would have to give deeds to the damn Europeans that were brought over here and used as slaves and or indentured servants. This is gonna be a fine mess to straighten out.

We shouldn't give them any money, but things like reservations and allowing casinos are some deeds that we can do to allow the Americna Indian their own destiny.

 

[Socrates11]

By the way, where do we draw the line on any reparations?

Is there not a case to be made for many people groups that they are owed something for some historic treatment?

Asians, Hispanics, Irish, Jews... I mean, pretty much almost all people groups other than perhaps decendents of full blooded Englishmen that settled early in the original colonies.

Is there a sliding scale? This people group was enslaved... BIG pay day. This group was huddled into camps during a war... you get a big check but not as big as the enslaved group. This group over here was discriminated against socially... they get the smallest check.

What if you are half a particular group? Does that men you get half a check or a job or an education?

Do females get any reparations? I mean, after all, they get paid less than men. So, maybe the government gives them all a check to make up for earning less. Or do they all get promotions?

Are you drunk?

Why not just answer the questions?

Obama isn't talking about paying anyone. He's simply pointing out that our mistreatment of various minorities is one factor in some of the challenges we see those groups facing today. He's saying that paying people for past transgressions isn't the answer - but we have an obligation to ensure that those who still suffer from the results of slavery and displacement are put on an even playing field with regard to educational opportunities. What is wrong with that?

I have a hard time believing that people are still being hindered because their great grand dad was a slave.

Slavery Welfare/government money destroyed the African 'American' family in this country and it still has not recovered. Do you not understand the value of a solid family unit? Do I think money will solve the problem, no way! Do I think that many African Americans see effects of slavery on their culture, absolutly.

Fixed that for ya. Slavery didn't start in Africa/with Africans. Just about every race from one time or another has been enslaved. If you could trace back far enough, you probably have ancestors that were enslaved.

 

[Darth Cheney]

By the way, where do we draw the line on any reparations?

Is there not a case to be made for many people groups that they are owed something for some historic treatment?

Asians, Hispanics, Irish, Jews... I mean, pretty much almost all people groups other than perhaps decendents of full blooded Englishmen that settled early in the original colonies.

Is there a sliding scale? This people group was enslaved... BIG pay day. This group was huddled into camps during a war... you get a big check but not as big as the enslaved group. This group over here was discriminated against socially... they get the smallest check.

What if you are half a particular group? Does that men you get half a check or a job or an education?

Do females get any reparations? I mean, after all, they get paid less than men. So, maybe the government gives them all a check to make up for earning less. Or do they all get promotions?

Are you drunk?

Why not just answer the questions?

Obama isn't talking about paying anyone. He's simply pointing out that our mistreatment of various minorities is one factor in some of the challenges we see those groups facing today. He's saying that paying people for past transgressions isn't the answer - but we have an obligation to ensure that those who still suffer from the results of slavery and displacement are put on an even playing field with regard to educational opportunities. What is wrong with that?

I have a hard time believing that people are still being hindered because their great grand dad was a slave.

I don't know if it's just about slavery...... the inequalities in this country during the 20th century are I'm sure part of the equation. He also mentions (and I think has a more valid point) in regards to the role the U.S. Federal Government had in the Native American situation.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I wonder how much we should give the American Indian since we pretty much pulled a Hitler and tried to wipe their race from the planet. Or how about all of the Japanese and Chinese slaves that were brought here to build rail roads? But worst of all we would have to give deeds to the damn Europeans that were brought over here and used as slaves and or indentured servants. This is gonna be a fine mess to straighten out.

We shouldn't give them any money, but things like reservations and allowing casinos are some deeds that we can do to allow the Americna Indian their own destiny.

Yes thats very kind of us... what a grand destiny for a wonderful race of people.

 

[Hammered Finz]

I wonder how much we should give the American Indian since we pretty much pulled a Hitler and tried to wipe their race from the planet. Or how about all of the Japanese and Chinese slaves that were brought here to build rail roads? But worst of all we would have to give deeds to the damn Europeans that were brought over here and used as slaves and or indentured servants. This is gonna be a fine mess to straighten out.

We shouldn't give them any money, but things like reservations and allowing casinos and unlimited booze are some deeds that we can do to allow the Americna Indian their own destiny.

USA! USA! USA!

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

By the way, where do we draw the line on any reparations?

Is there not a case to be made for many people groups that they are owed something for some historic treatment?

Asians, Hispanics, Irish, Jews... I mean, pretty much almost all people groups other than perhaps decendents of full blooded Englishmen that settled early in the original colonies.

Is there a sliding scale? This people group was enslaved... BIG pay day. This group was huddled into camps during a war... you get a big check but not as big as the enslaved group. This group over here was discriminated against socially... they get the smallest check.

What if you are half a particular group? Does that men you get half a check or a job or an education?

Do females get any reparations? I mean, after all, they get paid less than men. So, maybe the government gives them all a check to make up for earning less. Or do they all get promotions?

Are you drunk?

Why not just answer the questions?

Obama isn't talking about paying anyone. He's simply pointing out that our mistreatment of various minorities is one factor in some of the challenges we see those groups facing today. He's saying that paying people for past transgressions isn't the answer - but we have an obligation to ensure that those who still suffer from the results of slavery and displacement are put on an even playing field with regard to educational opportunities. What is wrong with that?

I have a hard time believing that people are still being hindered because their great grand dad was a slave.

Slavery destroyed the African 'American' family in this country and it still has not recovered. Do you not understand the value of a solid family unit? Do I think money will solve the problem, no way! Do I think that many African Americans see effects of slavery on their culture, absolutly.

What role do you think the Great Society and our modern media culture may have played in destroying the "solid family unit?"Just askin'

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

Of course, somebody made a great point - what about African-Americans who don't live in the inner city?

anybody?I suspect the answer is along the lines of Obama's statement being made to appeal to the sensibilities of typical white people who, thanks to the media, stereotype African-Americans as living in inner-city 'ghettos.'

 

[RBM]

By the way, where do we draw the line on any reparations?

Is there not a case to be made for many people groups that they are owed something for some historic treatment?

Asians, Hispanics, Irish, Jews... I mean, pretty much almost all people groups other than perhaps decendents of full blooded Englishmen that settled early in the original colonies.

Is there a sliding scale? This people group was enslaved... BIG pay day. This group was huddled into camps during a war... you get a big check but not as big as the enslaved group. This group over here was discriminated against socially... they get the smallest check.

What if you are half a particular group? Does that men you get half a check or a job or an education?

Do females get any reparations? I mean, after all, they get paid less than men. So, maybe the government gives them all a check to make up for earning less. Or do they all get promotions?

Are you drunk?

Why not just answer the questions?

Obama isn't talking about paying anyone. He's simply pointing out that our mistreatment of various minorities is one factor in some of the challenges we see those groups facing today. He's saying that paying people for past transgressions isn't the answer - but we have an obligation to ensure that those who still suffer from the results of slavery and displacement are put on an even playing field with regard to educational opportunities. What is wrong with that?

I have a hard time believing that people are still being hindered because their great grand dad was a slave.

Slavery destroyed the African 'American' family in this country and it still has not recovered. Do you not understand the value of a solid family unit? Do I think money will solve the problem, no way! Do I think that many African Americans see effects of slavery on their culture, absolutly.

 

[toshiba]

By the way, where do we draw the line on any reparations?

Is there not a case to be made for many people groups that they are owed something for some historic treatment?

Asians, Hispanics, Irish, Jews... I mean, pretty much almost all people groups other than perhaps decendents of full blooded Englishmen that settled early in the original colonies.

Is there a sliding scale? This people group was enslaved... BIG pay day. This group was huddled into camps during a war... you get a big check but not as big as the enslaved group. This group over here was discriminated against socially... they get the smallest check.

What if you are half a particular group? Does that men you get half a check or a job or an education?

Do females get any reparations? I mean, after all, they get paid less than men. So, maybe the government gives them all a check to make up for earning less. Or do they all get promotions?

Are you drunk?

Why not just answer the questions?

Obama isn't talking about paying anyone. He's simply pointing out that our mistreatment of various minorities is one factor in some of the challenges we see those groups facing today. He's saying that paying people for past transgressions isn't the answer - but we have an obligation to ensure that those who still suffer from the results of slavery and displacement are put on an even playing field with regard to educational opportunities. What is wrong with that?

I have a hard time believing that people are still being hindered because their great grand dad was a slave.

Slavery destroyed the African 'American' family in this country and it still has not recovered. Do you not understand the value of a solid family unit? Do I think money will solve the problem, no way! Do I think that many African Americans see effects of slavery on their culture, absolutly.

I am sorry let me fixed that.Slavery was a boon for the African 'American' family in this country and it still reeps the benefits. Do you not understand the value of a solid family unit? They should be payin gus for this great reward we gave them by bringing their ancestors over here so they could now live in freedom.