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Obama: Worst President Ever? (1 Viewer)

Is Obama the worst president ever?

  • Yes

    Votes: 185 33.6%
  • No

    Votes: 365 66.4%

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The problem with your assumption is that I use all forms of communication to research a subject. 

Those that rely on just certain outlets and ignore others (like you, apparently) will miss some things, both good and bad.  I prefer to have a grip on the opinions of both sides, without dismissing their point of view out of hand.  I seek out the full picture.  Real Clear Politics is a good site that tries to balance out news links for differing political perspectives.  You should check them out.

Being the President is a difficult challenge for even the best of us.  President of the United States is the toughest job on the planet.  Obama, I'm certain, has had to make some insanely critical choices that we'll never know about.

But of the choices we DO know about, he's been quite inept.  Hopefully this experience will aid him in becoming a better community organizer once he's out of office.
SMH.

 
The fact that the right has convinced people that OBAMA is the one who has been dividing the country on race issues is truly amazing.

I guess if the alternative is admitting your party is full of racists who refused to work with a black President, you don't have many options.

Mitch McConnel in 2009: Our #1 goal in Congress is to deny Barack Obama a 2nd term.

Republicans 7 years later: "It's so horrible how Obama refused to work with Republicans!!"
Obama told Republicans to get in the back if the bus as soon as he became president. What did he expect? 

He's not the worst. But it's bad. His entire administration seems rotten, and he himself is a pathological liar

 
The fact that the right has convinced people that OBAMA is the one who has been dividing the country on race issues is truly amazing.

I guess if the alternative is admitting your party is full of racists who refused to work with a black President, you don't have many options.

Mitch McConnel in 2009: Our #1 goal in Congress is to deny Barack Obama a 2nd term.

Republicans 7 years later: "It's so horrible how Obama refused to work with Republicans!!"
President Obama 3 days into his 1st term when the Dems had full control of Congress: "Elections have consequences and I won."

Democrats 7 years later when the Reps have full control of Congress: "The Republicans are racists who refuse to work with a black President!!"

 
Obama told Republicans to get in the back if the bus as soon as he became president. What did he expect? 

He's not the worst. But it's bad. His entire administration seems rotten, and he himself is a pathological liar
When did he say that?

 
Elaborate, please
Foreign policy is a main part of the executive which he leads. China and Russia have judged Obama as weak and have increased their own initiatives with little push back from him.

Funny, the left scoffed at Romney for claiming Russia was our primary geopolitical foe 4yrs ago. They're certainly one of them. Russia openly mocks Obama.

 
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Obama told Republicans to get in the back if the bus as soon as he became president. What did he expect? 

He's not the worst. But it's bad. His entire administration seems rotten, and he himself is a pathological liar
God you guys must be on crack. Republicans would say what they wanted. Then Obama would come there. And then they would move the goalposts. The 2009 stimulous was 1/3 tax cuts because Republicans demanded. What did he get in return? NOT.......ONE.......VOTE

He threw entitlements on the table in search of the "grand bargain". Nothing. 

It was literally thier strategy to stonewall him before he ever walked into the White House. 

The stuff I'm reading in this thread, especially the Statorama post are so far from any intelligible reality its startling.   

He went out of his way to meet the other side especially in his first term. He took major heat from the left for doing it. 

http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-details-on-the-gop-plot-to-obstruct-obama/

 
The fact that the right has convinced people that OBAMA is the one who has been dividing the country on race issues is truly amazing.

I guess if the alternative is admitting your party is full of racists who refused to work with a black President, you don't have many options.

Mitch McConnel in 2009: Our #1 goal in Congress is to deny Barack Obama a 2nd term.

Republicans 7 years later: "It's so horrible how Obama refused to work with Republicans!!"
Come on man, that's ignoring a lot of history to advance an agenda.

To deny that Obama hasn't embraced a role to bring us together as a nation is to ignore the truth.  He has been presented with numerous opportunities to step in and build a leadership bridge between differing sides and instead used them to divide us further.  What frustrates me when talking to Obama fans is that I want him to be the man you think he is.  I want him to do those things that you keep thinking he's capable of.  He's the freaking President, he shouldn't be taking sides!  He needs to be above that.  What can't you guys get about that?  He needs to be the force that helps us love one another, not pick a side and start hurling rocks at the other. 

And he has that peace making skill set in him.  I see it.  I know it's there.  That's the worst thing about this guy.  He could be bringing us together.  Instead, he inflames racial tensions. Yes, he IS dividing the country on race issues.  That can't be denied.  Is he the only one?  Of course not.  But is he the loudest voice in the conversation?  YES.  He has the bully pulpit.  His is the loudest voice in the room.  So when he delivers a narrative, it carries a lot of weight.

If you'd like to discuss whether Mitch McConnell is a D-Bag, I'll happily join the "oh yes he is" side of the discussion.  Calling him a half-wit is twice as much credit as he deserves.

 
Foreign policy is a main part of the executive which he leads. China and Russia have judged Obama as weak and have increased their own initiatives with little push back from him.

Funny, the left scoffed at Romney for claiming Russia was our primary geopolitical foe 4yrs ago. They're certainly one of them. Russia openly mocks Obama.
As long as you take out vastly reduced military deaths, vastly reduced civilian deaths, hundreds of millions less spent on wars and no major attacks on the homeland its been horrible.

Because you know, there's still trouble in the middle east. Or something. Putin is on the ropes in his own country by the way. Russia can't even provide for its own citizenry. And enriched uranium has been removed from Iran. Holy crap.  

 
Foreign policy is a main part of the executive which he leads. China and Russia have judged Obama as weak and have increased their own initiatives with little push back from him.

Funny, the left scoffed at Romney for claiming Russia was our primary geopolitical foe 4yrs ago. They're certainly one of them. Russia openly mocks Obama.
Also too. If a republican tells you he can go out and strong arm the world into obeying the US. DO NOT TRUST THAT PERSON. EVER. 

In fact one of the best things Obama has done is recognized the limitations of American Military action. There's not enough bombs. There's not enough boots or guns. 

The Republicans are basically promising more wars like its a good thing. 

Secret plans to wipe out ISIS just like that? BS. 

 
Come on man, that's ignoring a lot of history to advance an agenda.

To deny that Obama hasn't embraced a role to bring us together as a nation is to ignore the truth.  He has been presented with numerous opportunities to step in and build a leadership bridge between differing sides and instead used them to divide us further.  What frustrates me when talking to Obama fans is that I want him to be the man you think he is.  I want him to do those things that you keep thinking he's capable of.  He's the freaking President, he shouldn't be taking sides!  He needs to be above that.  What can't you guys get about that?  He needs to be the force that helps us love one another, not pick a side and start hurling rocks at the other. 

And he has that peace making skill set in him.  I see it.  I know it's there.  That's the worst thing about this guy.  He could be bringing us together.  Instead, he inflames racial tensions. Yes, he IS dividing the country on race issues.  That can't be denied.  Is he the only one?  Of course not.  But is he the loudest voice in the conversation?  YES.  He has the bully pulpit.  His is the loudest voice in the room.  So when he delivers a narrative, it carries a lot of weight.

If you'd like to discuss whether Mitch McConnell is a D-Bag, I'll happily join the "oh yes he is" side of the discussion.  Calling him a half-wit is twice as much credit as he deserves.
What does that mean "pick a side"? Pick a side on what?

 
God you guys must be on crack. Republicans would say what they wanted. Then Obama would come there. And then they would move the goalposts. The 2009 stimulous was 1/3 tax cuts because Republicans demanded. What did he get in return? NOT.......ONE.......VOTE

He threw entitlements on the table in search of the "grand bargain". Nothing. 

It was literally thier strategy to stonewall him before he ever walked into the White House. 

He went out of his way to meet the other side especially in his first term. He took major heat from the left for doing it. 

http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-details-on-the-gop-plot-to-obstruct-obama/


Run with your own facts boo-boo, I aint gonna hate on you.  Live long and prosper brother.

 
As long as you take out vastly reduced military deaths, vastly reduced civilian deaths, hundreds of millions less spent on wars and no major attacks on the homeland its been horrible.

Because you know, there's still trouble in the middle east. Or something. Putin is on the ropes in his own country by the way. Russia can't even provide for its own citizenry. And enriched uranium has been removed from Iran. Holy crap.  
Is that true? I thought he had increased drone strikes significantly. Which often lead to civilian deaths.

Its an issue for which he should be criticized. 

 
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Come on man, that's ignoring a lot of history to advance an agenda.

To deny that Obama hasn't embraced a role to bring us together as a nation is to ignore the truth.  He has been presented with numerous opportunities to step in and build a leadership bridge between differing sides and instead used them to divide us further.  What frustrates me when talking to Obama fans is that I want him to be the man you think he is.  I want him to do those things that you keep thinking he's capable of.  He's the freaking President, he shouldn't be taking sides!  He needs to be above that.  What can't you guys get about that?  He needs to be the force that helps us love one another, not pick a side and start hurling rocks at the other. 

And he has that peace making skill set in him.  I see it.  I know it's there.  That's the worst thing about this guy.  He could be bringing us together.  Instead, he inflames racial tensions. Yes, he IS dividing the country on race issues.  That can't be denied.  Is he the only one?  Of course not.  But is he the loudest voice in the conversation?  YES.  He has the bully pulpit.  His is the loudest voice in the room.  So when he delivers a narrative, it carries a lot of weight.

If you'd like to discuss whether Mitch McConnell is a D-Bag, I'll happily join the "oh yes he is" side of the discussion.  Calling him a half-wit is twice as much credit as he deserves.
Link us some examples of Obama dividing the country on race issues.

You posts contain quite a lot of words, and lots of opinions, but pretty much zero factual information.

 
Is that true? I thought he had increased drone strikes significantly. Which often lead to civilian deaths.

Its an issue for which he should be criticized. 
Agreed on that. I was talking about domestic civilian deaths. But it does at least bring up the point that terrorist leaders have a nasty habit of waking up dead on his watch. Civilian deaths are horrible and I question the constitutionality of drone strikes in sovereign nations.  

 
Link us some examples of Obama dividing the country on race issues.

You posts contain quite a lot of words, and lots of opinions, but pretty much zero factual information.
New here?  Oh yes, you are.  Go do your own legwork, sport. 

 
Obama's not all bad.  He's still the single greatest gun salesman in the history of the world.

I'm a pacifist and even I have a shotgun.

 
New here?  Oh yes, you are.  Go do your own legwork, sport. 
Oh, so you just kind of make stuff up and assume everyone will take it as fact?

I thought so, but thanks for confirming.

Pretty clever actually. If you ignore the facts, you can claim anyone you want to be the worst President ever!

 
Like the time that he said a murdered boy looked like he could be his son?
That was a moment where he could have united us.  It was a clear-cut case of self defense, but Obama used the case as a "see what happens to black people?" moment.

 
Oh, so you just kind of make stuff up and assume everyone will take it as fact?

I thought so, but thanks for confirming.

Pretty clever actually. If you ignore the facts, you can claim anyone you want to be the worst President ever!
Whatever champ.  Thanks for playing.

 
Foreign policy is a main part of the executive which he leads. China and Russia have judged Obama as weak and have increased their own initiatives with little push back from him.

Funny, the left scoffed at Romney for claiming Russia was our primary geopolitical foe 4yrs ago. They're certainly one of them. Russia openly mocks Obama.
China is our primary geopolitical foe.  Hth.   

 
Link us some examples of Obama dividing the country on race issues.

You posts contain quite a lot of words, and lots of opinions, but pretty much zero factual information.
His speech on race issues during the campaign was one of the great american speeches in my opinion. 

Righties have tried making him the angry negro his entire presidency and it just hasn't happened. 

That was a moment where he could have united us.  It was a clear-cut case of self defense, but Obama used the case as a "see what happens to black people?" moment.


This is part of the speech Obama gave. If this stuff is considered incendiary then you need to look in the mirror. I think he has been unbelievably even keeled on race. I wonder what kind of behavior you expect out of him? 

You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot I said that this could have been my son.  Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago.  And when you think about why, in the African American community at least, there’s a lot of pain around what happened here, I think it’s important to recognize that the African American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that doesn’t go away.

There are very few African American men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store.  That includes me.  There are very few African American men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars.  That happens to me -- at least before I was a senator.  There are very few African Americans who haven't had the experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse nervously and holding her breath until she had a chance to get off.  That happens often.

And I don't want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African American community interprets what happened one night in Florida.  And it’s inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear.  The African American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws -- everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws.  And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

Now, this isn't to say that the African American community is naïve about the fact that African American young men are disproportionately involved in the criminal justice system; that they’re disproportionately both victims and perpetrators of violence.  It’s not to make excuses for that fact -- although black folks do interpret the reasons for that in a historical context.  They understand that some of the violence that takes place in poor black neighborhoods around the country is born out of a very violent past in this country, and that the poverty and dysfunction that we see in those communities can be traced to a very difficult history.

And so the fact that sometimes that’s unacknowledged adds to the frustration.  And the fact that a lot of African American boys are painted with a broad brush and the excuse is given, well, there are these statistics out there that show that African American boys are more violent -- using that as an excuse to then see sons treated differently causes pain.

I think the African American community is also not naïve in understanding that, statistically, somebody like Trayvon Martin was statistically more likely to be shot by a peer than he was by somebody else.  So folks understand the challenges that exist for African American boys.  But they get frustrated, I think, if they feel that there’s no context for it and that context is being denied. And that all contributes I think to a sense that if a white male teen was involved in the same kind of scenario, that, from top to bottom, both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different.

Now, the question for me at least, and I think for a lot of folks, is where do we take this?  How do we learn some lessons from this and move in a positive direction?  I think it’s understandable that there have been demonstrations and vigils and protests, and some of that stuff is just going to have to work its way through, as long as it remains nonviolent.  If I see any violence, then I will remind folks that that dishonors what happened to Trayvon Martin and his family.  But beyond protests or vigils, the question is, are there some concrete things that we might be able to do. 

 
Link us some examples of Obama dividing the country on race issues.

You posts contain quite a lot of words, and lots of opinions, but pretty much zero factual information.
Didn't he just legitimize BLM once again, like last week?  Duh

Cambridge ring a bell?  Cmon cut the crap and wake up. 

 
His speech on race issues during the campaign was one of the great american speeches in my opinion. 

Righties have tried making him the angry negro his entire presidency and it just hasn't happened. 
From his 2009 NAACP speech:

These are some of the ways we're doing our part in government to overcome the inequities, the injustices, the barriers that still exist in our country.
But all these innovative programs and expanded opportunities will not, in and of themselves, make a difference if each of us, as parents and as community leaders, fail to do our part by encouraging excellence in our children.  (Applause.)  Government programs alone won't get our children to the Promised Land.  We need a new mind set, a new set of attitudes -- because one of the most durable and destructive legacies of discrimination is the way we've internalized a sense of limitation; how so many in our community have come to expect so little from the world and from themselves.
 
We've got to say to our children, yes, if you're African American, the odds of growing up amid crime and gangs are higher.  Yes, if you live in a poor neighborhood, you will face challenges that somebody in a wealthy suburb does not have to face.  But that's not a reason to get bad grades -- (applause) -- that's not a reason to cut class -- (applause) -- that's not a reason to give up on your education and drop out of school.  (Applause.)  No one has written your destiny for you.  Your destiny is in your hands -- you cannot forget that.  That's what we have to teach all of our children.  No excuses.  (Applause.)  No excuses.
You get that education, all those hardships will just make you stronger, better able to compete.  Yes we can.  (Applause.)
 
To parents -- to parents, we can't tell our kids to do well in school and then fail to support them when they get home.  (Applause.)  You can't just contract out parenting.  For our kids to excel, we have to accept our responsibility to help them learn.  That means putting away the Xbox -- (applause) -- putting our kids to bed at a reasonable hour.  (Applause.)  It means attending those parent-teacher conferences and reading to our children and helping them with their homework.  (Applause.)
 
And by the way, it means we need to be there for our neighbor's sons and daughters.  (Applause.)  We need to go back to the time, back to the day when we parents saw somebody, saw some kid fooling around and -- it wasn't your child, but they'll whup you anyway.  (Laughter and applause.)  Or at least they'll tell your parents -- the parents will.  You know.  (Laughter.)  That's the meaning of community.  That's how we can reclaim the strength and the determination and the hopefulness that helped us come so far; helped us make a way out of no way.
 
It also means pushing our children to set their sights a little bit higher.  They might think they've got a pretty good jump shot or a pretty good flow, but our kids can't all aspire to be LeBron or Lil Wayne.  (Applause.)  I want them aspiring to be scientists and engineers -- (applause) -- doctors and teachers -- (applause) -- not just ballers and rappers.  I want them aspiring to be a Supreme Court Justice.  (Applause.)  I want them aspiring to be the President of the United States of America.  (Applause.)
 
I want their horizons to be limitless.  I don't -- don't tell them they can't do something.  Don't feed our children with a sense of -- that somehow because of their race that they cannot achieve.
 
Yes, government must be a force for opportunity.  Yes, government must be a force for equality.  But ultimately, if we are to be true to our past, then we also have to seize our own future, each and every day.
 
And that's what the NAACP is all about.  The NAACP was not founded in search of a handout.  The NAACP was not founded in search of favors.  The NAACP was founded on a firm notion of justice; to cash the promissory note of America that says all of our children, all God's children, deserve a fair chance in the race of life.  (Applause.)

 
Jackstraw, if you read what I wrote and then read what his speechwriters told him to say, I think the two match.

That clear cut case of self-defense was a prime opportunity for him to bridge the gaps between the races.

We had an opportunity to move forward, but instead he chose to take us backward. 

Black people were dealt a crappy hand.  We get it.  Lets move forward and unite.  I think we're ready.

 
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Also too. If a republican tells you he can go out and strong arm the world into obeying the US. DO NOT TRUST THAT PERSON. EVER. 

In fact one of the best things Obama has done is recognized the limitations of American Military action. There's not enough bombs. There's not enough boots or guns. 

The Republicans are basically promising more wars like its a good thing. 

Secret plans to wipe out ISIS just like that? BS. 
Why would you bother to wipe out the JV team?

 
Jackstraw, if you read what I wrote and then read what his speechwriters told him to say, I think the two match.

That clear cut case of self-defense was a prime opportunity for him to bridge the gaps between the races.

We had an opportunity to move forward, but instead he chose to take us backward. 

Black people were dealt a crappy hand.  We get it.  Lets move forward and unite.  I think we're ready.
I'm really not sure what you mean. Honestly. What did you want him to do/say in that case? Specifically. You speak in such wide generalizations I can't even grok what you are getting at.  

What was he going to pull out of his hat to end racial animosity in America during a heated case? That would have to be some crazy good presidenting.  

And the clear cut thing is ridiculous. Come on. You can keep saying it but it doesn't make it true.  

 
Jackstraw, if you read what I wrote and then read what his speechwriters told him to say, I think the two match.

That clear cut case of self-defense was a prime opportunity for him to bridge the gaps between the races.

We had an opportunity to move forward, but instead he chose to take us backward. 

Black people were dealt a crappy hand.  We get it.  Lets move forward and unite.  I think we're ready.
Zimmerman was a clear cut case of self defense?  Cmon, if Trayvon was a white kid named Trevor, there would never have been an "incident".

 
"And if participation means voting, and it means compromise, and organizing and advocacy, it also means listening to those who don’t agree with you.  I know a couple years ago, folks on this campus got upset that Condoleezza Rice was supposed to speak at a commencement.  Now, I don't think it's a secret that I disagree with many of the foreign policies of Dr. Rice and the previous administration.  But the notion that this community or the country would be better served by not hearing from a former Secretary of State, or shutting out what she had to say -- I believe that’s misguided.  (Applause.)  I don't think that's how democracy works best, when we're not even willing to listen to each other.  (Applause.)  I believe that's misguided.  

If you disagree with somebody, bring them in -- (applause) -- and ask them tough questions.  Hold their feet to the fire.  Make them defend their positions.  (Applause.)  If somebody has got a bad or offensive idea, prove it wrong.  Engage it.  Debate it.  Stand up for what you believe in.  (Applause.)  Don't be scared to take somebody on.  Don't feel like you got to shut your ears off because you're too fragile and somebody might offend your sensibilities.  Go at them if they’re not making any sense. Use your logic and reason and words.  And by doing so, you’ll strengthen your own position, and you’ll hone your arguments.  And maybe you’ll learn something and realize you don't know everything.  And you may have a new understanding not only about what your opponents believe but maybe what you believe.  Either way, you win.  And more importantly, our democracy wins.  (Applause.)  "

-Remarks by the President at Commencement Address at Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey, May 15, 2016

 
I'm really not sure what you mean. Honestly. What did you want him to do/say in that case? Specifically. You speak in such wide generalizations I can't even grok what you are getting at.  

What was he going to pull out of his hat to end racial animosity in America during a heated case? That would have to be some crazy good presidenting.  
Hey, now we're getting somewhere.  I will fully admit that I don't have the answers to ending racial tension.  I'm good looking, smart and white, the world is my oyster.

Lets face it, one speech won't end racial discord.  But he didn't even attempt to see it through the eyes of George Zimmerman.  The President took a side (what eventually turned out to be the wrong side) and that's my point on several issues with him.  He could have stood on the stage with one of any Hispanic leaders and made it a teachable moment.  He could have given the speech you cite above, but then talked about how it must have seemed through George Zimmerman's eyes.  There's a lot of potential there, and he has the greatest speechwriters in the world.  He could have eased tensions quite a bit. 

 
"And if participation means voting, and it means compromise, and organizing and advocacy, it also means listening to those who don’t agree with you.  I know a couple years ago, folks on this campus got upset that Condoleezza Rice was supposed to speak at a commencement.  Now, I don't think it's a secret that I disagree with many of the foreign policies of Dr. Rice and the previous administration.  But the notion that this community or the country would be better served by not hearing from a former Secretary of State, or shutting out what she had to say -- I believe that’s misguided.  (Applause.)  I don't think that's how democracy works best, when we're not even willing to listen to each other.  (Applause.)  I believe that's misguided.  

If you disagree with somebody, bring them in -- (applause) -- and ask them tough questions.  Hold their feet to the fire.  Make them defend their positions.  (Applause.)  If somebody has got a bad or offensive idea, prove it wrong.  Engage it.  Debate it.  Stand up for what you believe in.  (Applause.)  Don't be scared to take somebody on.  Don't feel like you got to shut your ears off because you're too fragile and somebody might offend your sensibilities.  Go at them if they’re not making any sense. Use your logic and reason and words.  And by doing so, you’ll strengthen your own position, and you’ll hone your arguments.  And maybe you’ll learn something and realize you don't know everything.  And you may have a new understanding not only about what your opponents believe but maybe what you believe.  Either way, you win.  And more importantly, our democracy wins.  (Applause.)  "

-Remarks by the President at Commencement Address at Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey, May 15, 2016
That's good stuff.  He should bring that tone and tenacity when he speaks to non-college kids.

Thanks for the share!

 
Oh you're the first black president huh? Could you go ahead and fix this whole...."racism"....thing? Kthx 
I can only imagine that the first black President is a transformative figure in the African American community.  He's in a much better position to smooth over racial relations than an old white guy.  Nobody is looking for him to solve racial discord.  But it would be nice if he helped guide us along the path rather than needlessly inflaming things.

 
I can only imagine that the first black President is a transformative figure in the African American community.  He's in a much better position to smooth over racial relations than an old white guy.  Nobody is looking for him to solve racial discord.  But it would be nice if he helped guide us along the path rather than needlessly inflaming things.
Stop posting if you can't give examples of him "inflaming things" instead of guiding us.

 
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