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Obama: Worst President Ever? (2 Viewers)

Is Obama the worst president ever?

  • Yes

    Votes: 185 33.6%
  • No

    Votes: 365 66.4%

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I can only imagine that the first black President is a transformative figure in the African American community.  He's in a much better position to smooth over racial relations than an old white guy.  Nobody is looking for him to solve racial discord.  But it would be nice if he helped guide us along the path rather than needlessly inflaming things.
Well hey guess what, it all starts with the man in the mirror. If everyone just said to themselves hey, what can I do to fix this issue and made an earnest effort to reach out and love and accept those different from themselves, we'd be in great shape. I don't think we as a human race are capable of it, unfortunately. So it's easier to look to elected leaders and expect them to be "transformative figures", as if they somehow have the power to change peoples' nature. So I think you've got a really unrealistic and unfair expectation of a president and I wonder if your motivations are more prejudicial and/or partisan to rip him down and if you'd hold every president up to the same standard.

I don't pretend to be an expert on this crap but he hasn't started any new wars and I'm doing much better financially than I was 8 years ago, so right there he's no worse than average as far as I'm concerned. So much of the other nonsense spewed in this thread is so obviously regurgitated from biased media that it's comical to watch you all fight it out. If you watch Fox, you believe Obama refused to cooperate with the GOP, if you're a lefty you believe the opposite. It's all lame and dumb and pointless and boring. You're all losers. La-ha-hooooooo.......ah-zerrrrrrs.

 
Obama is in Nagasaki, apologizing for the nuclear bombs. What an insult to our veterans, basically calling our own soldiers "war criminals". And he has the nerve to do it on Memorial Day! :angry:

 
Obama is in Nagasaki, apologizing for the nuclear bombs. What an insult to our veterans, basically calling our own soldiers "war criminals". And he has the nerve to do it on Memorial Day! :angry:
Earlier this week he said he was not going to apologize.  Do you have a credible link?

HIROSHIMA, Japan — President Obama made an emotional and historic visit to this once-shattered city Friday, embracing survivors of the Aug. 6, 1945, atomic bomb blast and renewing calls for an end to nuclear weapons.

He did not, however, apologize for the decision to drop the bomb.

"We come to Hiroshima to ponder the terrible forces unleashed in the not so distant past. We come to mourn the dead," Obama said in a speech at Hiroshima’s Peace Memorial Park.

 
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Obama will become the first sitting US president to tour the site of the world’s first nuclear bombing this Friday, accompanied by Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe.

In an interview with Japanese national broadcaster NHK, Obama said the reality is that leaders often have to make hard choices during times of conflict and no apologies would be included in brief remarks he is expected to make in the western Japanese city.

 
Obama will become the first sitting US president to tour the site of the world’s first nuclear bombing this Friday, accompanied by Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe.

In an interview with Japanese national broadcaster NHK, Obama said the reality is that leaders often have to make hard choices during times of conflict and no apologies would be included in brief remarks he is expected to make in the western Japanese city.
That's cool

 
Stop posting if you can't give examples of him "inflaming things" instead of guiding us.
"Since Ferguson ... we have seen too many instances of what appears to be police officers interacting with individuals -- primarily African-American, often poor -- in ways that have raised troubling questions," Obama said. "This has been a slow-rolling crisis. This has been going on for a long time. This is not new, and we shouldn't pretend that it's new."
"they started it, so what you're doing is understandable"

 
Seventy one years ago, on a bright, cloudless morning, death fell from the sky and the world was changed. The flash of light and a wall of fire destroyed a city and demonstrated that mankind possessed the means to destroy itself

Why do we come to this place, to Hiroshima? We come to ponder a terrible force unleashed in a not-so-distant past. We come to mourn the dead, including over 100,000 Japanese men, women and children, thousands of Koreans, a dozen Americans held prisoner.

Their souls speak to us. They ask us to look inward, to take stock of who we are and what we might become.

It is not the fact of war that sets Hiroshima apart. Artifacts tell us that violent conflict appeared with the very first man. Our early ancestors, having learned to make blades from flint and spears from wood, used these tools not just for hunting but against their own kind.

On every continent, the history of civilization is filled with war, whether driven by scarcity of grain or hunger for gold, compelled by nationalist fervor or religious zeal. Empires have risen and fallen. Peoples have been subjugated and liberated, and at each juncture, innocents have suffered — a countless toll, their names forgotten by time.

The world war that reached its brutal end in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was fought among the wealthiest and most powerful of nations. Their civilizations had given the world great cities and magnificent art. Their thinkers had advanced ideas of justice and harmony and truth.

And yet, the war grew out of the same base instinct for domination or conquest that had caused conflicts among the simplest tribes. An old pattern amplified by new capabilities and without new constraints.

In the span of a few years, some 60 million people would die. Men, women, children — no different than us — shot, beaten, marched, bombed, jailed, starved, gassed to death. There are many sites around the world that chronicle this war, memorials that tell stories courage and heroism, graves and empty camps, the echo of unspeakable depravity.

Yet in the image of a mushroom cloud that rose into these skies, we are most starkly reminded of humanity's core contradiction: how the very spark that marks us a species — our thoughts, our imagination, our language, our tool-making, our ability to set ourselves apart from nature and bend it to our will — those very things also give us the capacity for unmatched destruction.

How often does material advancement or social innovation blind us to this truth? How easily we learn to justify violence in the name of some higher cost.

Every great religion promises a pathway to love and peace and righteousness. And yet no religion has been spared from believers who have claimed their faith as a license to kill.

Nations arise telling a story that binds people together in sacrifice and cooperation, allowing for remarkable feats. But those same stories have so often been used to oppress and dehumanize those who are different.

Science allows us to communicate across the seas and fly above the clouds, to cure disease and understand the cosmos. But those same discoveries can be turned into ever more efficient killing machines.

The wars of the modern age teach us this truth. Hiroshima teaches this truth. Technological progress without an equivalent progress in human institutions can doom us. The scientific revolution that led to the splitting of an atom requires a moral revolution as well.

That is why we come to this place.

We stand here in the middle of this city and force ourselves to imagine the moment the bomb fell. We force ourselves to feel the dread of children confused by what they see. We listen to a silent cry. We remember all the innocents killed across the arc of that terrible war, and the wars that came before, and the wars that would follow.

Mere words cannot give voice to such suffering, but we have a shared responsibility to look directly into the eye of history and ask what we must do differently to curb such suffering again.

Someday the voices of the hibakusha will no longer be with us to bear witness. But the memory of the morning of Aug. 6, 1945, must never fade. That memory allows us to fight complacency. It fuels our moral imagination. It allows us to change. And since that fateful day, we have made choices that give us hope. The United States and Japan forged not only an alliance but a friendship that has won far more for our people than we could ever claim through war.

The nations of Europe built a union that replaced battlefields with bonds of commerce and democracy. Oppressed peoples and nations won liberation. An international community established institutions and treaties that worked to avoid war and aspired to restrict and roll back and ultimately eliminate the existence of nuclear weapons.

Still, every act of aggression between nations, every act of terror and corruption and cruelty and oppression that we see around the world, shows our work is never done. We may not be able to eliminate man's capacity to do evil. So nations and the alliances that we form must possess the means to defend ourselves. But among those nations like my own that hold nuclear stockpiles, we must have the courage to escape the logic of fear and pursue a world without them.

We may not realize this goal in my lifetime, but persistent effort can roll back the possibility of catastrophe. We can chart a course that leads to the destruction of these stockpiles. We can stop the spread to new nations and secure deadly material from fanatics.

And yet, that is not enough. For we see around the world today how even the crudest rifles and barrel bombs can serve up violence on a terrible scale.

We must change our mindset about war itself to prevent conflict through diplomacy and strive to end conflicts after they've begun. To see our growing interdependence as a cause for peaceful cooperation and not violent competition. To define our nations not by our capacity to destroy, but by what we build. And perhaps above all, we must reimagine our connection to one another as members of one human race.

For this, too, is what makes our species unique. We are not bound by genetic code to repeat the mistakes of the past. We can learn. We can choose. We can tell our children a different story — one that describes a common humanity, one that makes war less likely and cruelty less easily accepted.

We see these stories in the hibakusha: the woman who forgave a pilot who flew the plane that dropped the atomic bomb because she recognized that what she really hated was war itself. The man who sought out families of Americans killed here because he believed their loss was equal to his own.

My own nation's story began with simple words. All men are created equal and endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights, including life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Realizing that ideal has never been easy, even within our own borders, even among our own citizens.

But staying true to that story is worth the effort. It is an ideal to be strived for, an ideal that extends across continents and across oceans. The irreducible worth of every person. The insistence that every life is precious. The radical and necessary notion that we are part of a single human family.

That is the story that we all must tell. That is why we come to Hiroshima: so that we might think of people we love. The first smile from our children in the morning. The gentle touch from a spouse over the kitchen table. The comforting embrace of a parent. We can think of those things and know that those same precious moments took place here 71 years ago.

Those who died, they are like us. Ordinary people understand this, I think. They do not want more war. They would rather that the wonders of science be focused on improving life and not eliminating it. When the choices made by nations — when the choices made by leaders — reflect this simple wisdom, then the lesson of Hiroshima is done.

The world was forever changed here. But today, the children of this city will go through their day in peace. What a precious thing that is. It is worth protecting, and then extending to every child.

That is a future we can choose: a future in which Hiroshima and Nagasaki are known not as the dawn of atomic warfare, but as the start of our own moral awakening.

 
Wow, the cult of "Obama can never do anything wrong" is strong in this thread.

He's done some good things, he's done some bad things.  Good grief guys, he's not infallible.  This constant and uncontrollable need to defend any suggestion that he's other than perfect is equal parts commendable and troubling.  I can bring myself to say he's done some good things...can you bring yourself to say he's proactively done some bad things?

Bush did some good things and some bad things.  When there's a suggestion that Bush did something wrong (and whoa brother are there suggestions he did stuff wrong) I don't feel this "need" to defend him.  I actually like to hear both sides of an issue.  I mention that Obama could have been better at race relations and it sets off a firestorm of rage-filled posts.  It's just an opinion, not a court case.

Obama has been a bad President, but it's also within context of the times.  Due to the internet, we learn about EVERYTHING this guy does wrong.  I'm certain there have been worse Presidents, but their missteps could be more easily hidden or dismissed.  Obama does something as small as bow to an Arabian King and it's 3 months of outrage and memes galore.  I take that into account, and it's why I haven't labeled him the worst ever.

This is an opinion thread.  Obama has been a destructive force in the lives of many and I find him personally to be a vile and insufferable d-bag.  There are many that love the guy and think he's perfect.  Opinions, man.

You love him, I hate him.  26 pages later, you love him, I hate him.  If the Obama lovers can overlook things like Fast and Furious and Benghazi, things won't change if we do this for another 26 pages.  I just checked in to see if the "Obama is perfect" crowd had learned anything in the last 7 years, but no such luck.  Have fun in your echo chamber.

 
This is an opinion thread.  Obama has been a destructive force in the lives of many and I find him personally to be a vile and insufferable d-bag.  There are many that love the guy and think he's perfect.  Opinions, man.
lol the hate is strong with this one

 
This is not a speech that either Trump, nor Clinton could deliver with any conviction.

Even those that don't like Obama, will look back on his presidency wistfully over the next 4 years.

 
Stay away from the comments section on Breitbart.  Can you believe the audacity this man has to deliver such a pious anti-war message?  Muslim scum.
I typically stay away from Breitbart completely.  And comment sections are always comedy gold.  People just think Im a troll or think others on this board are bad.  Commenters may be the worst of all.

 
I typically stay away from Breitbart completely.  And comment sections are always comedy gold.  People just think Im a troll or think others on this board are bad.  Commenters may be the worst of all.
Oh I hear ya.  I just googled part of the speech to make sure it was Obama in Japan.  The Breitbart article was the top result.  I LOL at how there is truly nothing Obama can do or say that doesn't bring out the ire in the far-right.  Literally make things up (like @Joe Summer) to make him look bad.

 
  I actually like to hear both sides of an issue.  I mention that Obama could have been better at race relations and it sets off a firestorm of rage-filled posts.  
There is no rage in the replies to your posts.   There is, however, exasperation and annoyance b/c you keep making outrageous claims and not backing them up.   The mere existence of this thread is evidence that many of our conservative posters have a significant level of ignorance about American history.   Obama is clearly not as lousy a president as Bush II, and neither of them is worse than some of the 19th century presidents.

 
He did not apologize for Hiroshima and we shouldn't.

But Nagasaki is a different issue. There is plenty of evidence that the Japanese were getting ready to surrender after Hiroshima. We didn't wait. We didn't give them enough time. 

 
He did not apologize for Hiroshima and we shouldn't.

But Nagasaki is a different issue. There is plenty of evidence that the Japanese were getting ready to surrender after Hiroshima. We didn't wait. We didn't give them enough time. 
But they hadn't surrendered until afterwards.

 
Obama in Japan for 2 days on Memorial Day weekend and is talking about Trump?   Get a clue you idiot.  Has to make everything political. Grow a pair and quit being so scared of Trump.  You've already ruined the country with your 8 years.  Still trying to cause problems and divide the country even further during g your last few months.  The Great Divider of America.  Worst President ever.  Worthless,  evil,  vile human  being. 

 
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Obama in Japan for 2 days on Memorial Day weekend and is talking about Trump?   Get a clue you idiot.  Has to make everything political. Grow a pair and quit being so scared of Trump.  You've already ruined the country with your 8 years.  Still trying to cause problems and divide the country even further during g your last few months.  The Great Divider of America.  Worst President ever.  Worthless,  evil,  vile human  being. 
:lmao:

 
He did not apologize for Hiroshima and we shouldn't.

But Nagasaki is a different issue. There is plenty of evidence that the Japanese were getting ready to surrender after Hiroshima. We didn't wait. We didn't give them enough time. 
What evidence?!?  Where are you getting that from?  Warned them what would happen.  Gave them a chance.  Japanese  knew we had the bomb. Dropped the first bomb.  Nothing.  Dropped second bomb 3 days later.  Immediate surrender.  

Tojo was holding out as long as possible.  What you're not getting is Tojo didn't care anything about the Japanese people.  They suffered greatly because of him.  The blame falls on him for both bombs.  Not us!  Listen,  it's a sad and horrible thing,  Tim.  It really is.  But times were different then.  They had their chances and the Japanese leaders didn't care about their people.  The same thing happened in Europe with the carpet bombings. More lives were lost with those than the atomic bombs.  It was no different.  Hitler didn't care about the German citizens either. Mussolini didn't care anything Italians.  That's the way it was back then.  I understand the argument that we shouldn't have done it.  It was horrible but it was either that or lose hundreds of thousands of American lives.  They had 2 opportunities to surrender before the second bomb was dropped.  They butchered the Chinese and Filipinos. Attacked us in Pearl Harbor.  They got what was coming to them.  Tens of millions of innocent civilians lost their lives in that war.  It's a horrible thing and easy to sit back now and second guess it now.  But they made the decision based on saving American lives.  

The last of the great American generals died with WW2.  After that,  they began to be controlled by Washington politicians. 

 
Obama in Japan for 2 days on Memorial Day weekend and is talking about Trump?   Get a clue you idiot.  Has to make everything political. Grow a pair and quit being so scared of Trump.  You've already ruined the country with your 8 years.  Still trying to cause problems and divide the country even further during g your last few months.  The Great Divider of America.  Worst President ever.  Worthless,  evil,  vile human  being. 
Tuned the country ?

Read that speech... Try doing it without your ridiculous bias for once.

 
Obama in Japan for 2 days on Memorial Day weekend and is talking about Trump?   Get a clue you idiot.  Has to make everything political. Grow a pair and quit being so scared of Trump.  You've already ruined the country with your 8 years.  Still trying to cause problems and divide the country even further during g your last few months.  The Great Divider of America.  Worst President ever.  Worthless,  evil,  vile human  being. 
I hope Jay Cutler and John Shoop take your wife out for a nice dinner and then never call her again.

 
But Nagasaki is a different issue. There is plenty of evidence that the Japanese were getting ready to surrender after Hiroshima. We didn't wait. We didn't give them enough time. 
get out of here with your revisionist mamby pambyism.

We are still awarding Purple Hearts today that were made for the invasion of Japan

 
Obama in Japan for 2 days on Memorial Day weekend and is talking about Trump?   Get a clue you idiot.  Has to make everything political. Grow a pair and quit being so scared of Trump.  You've already ruined the country with your 8 years.  Still trying to cause problems and divide the country even further during g your last few months.  The Great Divider of America.  Worst President ever.  Worthless,  evil,  vile human  being. 
You're the idiot.  This is well established.

 
That level of hatred toward Obama has got to be racism right? I can understand some arguments that he's not a great president, but words like vile, evil, divider are just weird.

 
That level of hatred toward Obama has got to be racism right? I can understand some arguments that he's not a great president, but words like vile, evil, divider are just weird.
:shrug:

were you in JR HS when Bush 2 was president? Even Clintons 2nd term was a poop show . Those guys were hated , not everything is about race if a black person is president . 

The biggest disappointment of Obama to me is on racial matters . He's played the race card properly but far too often he's played it wrongly.

 
:shrug:

were you in JR HS when Bush 2 was president? Even Clintons 2nd term was a poop show . Those guys were hated , not everything is about race if a black person is president . 

The biggest disappointment of Obama to me is on racial matters . He's played the race card properly but far too often he's played it wrongly.
Bush was legitimately a disaster to anyone paying attention and Clinton was plagued by scandal after scandal. Those are kind of easy imo. 

 
Perfict opportunity for him to tell teh blacks to know there place and he didn't do it tipicle Barry obummer the racial divisivin' Kenyan! Worst evar!!!!!!

 
This what you got the bombs for,  Japan.  But by all means,  express your regret over what happened,  Obama.  Good luck getting Japan to show up at Pearl Harbor to pay any respects.  Maybe try honoring American vets and mentioning to Japan leaders that they attacked us unprovoked and killed thousands of American soldiers.  Of course you wouldn't so that,  though.  Evil evil man.  No loyalty to America. 

japandialogueonpows.org/Santo Tomas liberation.htm

https://www.google.com/search?q=lee+rogers+john+c+todd&oq=Lee+Rogers+jo&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.7212j0j4&client=ms-android-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=oF_Gvp1WWN6iaM%3A

 
This what you got the bombs for,  Japan.  But by all means,  express your regret over what happened,  Obama.  Good luck getting Japan to show up at Pearl Harbor to pay any respects.  Maybe try honoring American vets and mentioning to Japan leaders that they attacked us unprovoked and killed thousands of American soldiers.  Of course you wouldn't so that,  though.  Evil evil man.  No loyalty to America. 

japandialogueonpows.org/Santo Tomas liberation.htm

https://www.google.com/search?q=lee+rogers+john+c+todd&oq=Lee+Rogers+jo&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.7212j0j4&client=ms-android-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=oF_Gvp1WWN6iaM%3A
Going way off the deep end in here.

Anyone calling him evil after that speech has no grasp on reality.

 
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