I've not used the app, but the MyPlate site from the government has this on budget friendly foods https://www.myplate.gov/app/shopsim...medium=redirect&utm_campaign=desktop-redirect
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It's an interesting disconnect for me as I see more people around me than ever interested in cooking.
But it also seems lots of people don't have time or desire to cook.
There are also non expensive healthy options. With a hot plate and a few pots, one can make a LOT of healthy.
Sure, Red Beans And Rice or Vegetable Stir Fry may take more work than the Big Mac. But not that much more. At some point, don't we ask whether it's really worth it?
But it also seems lots of people don't have time or desire to cook.
There are also non expensive healthy options. With a hot plate and a few pots, one can make a LOT of healthy.
Sure, Red Beans And Rice or Vegetable Stir Fry may take more work than the Big Mac. But not that much more. At some point, don't we ask whether it's really worth it?
Oof. Honey Nut Cheerios are loaded with added sugar. So are the Multi Grain Cheerios, despite the packaging make it sound like they are super-healthy.
Multi Grain Cheerios | Gluten Free Multi Grain Cereal
Looking for a cereal packed with nutrients? Multi Grain Cheerios offer a combination of nutrition and taste with three whole grains filled with flavor.www.cheerios.com
Not sure "loaded" is the right word. Per your link, It's 150 calories and 8 grams of Sugar. That's 16% of the recommended daily allowance.
Add 85 calories for a cup of skim milk and that's breakfast for 235 calories. One can easily start from there for the day.
The important thing is objectively looking at the labels. And keeping up with the diet through the day.
That's where the free apps are so useful.
Set a goal and keep up with what you eat and go from there.
And soon you know the information for the foods you regularly eat and it's way less work.
235 calories for Multi Grain Cheerios and milk vs McDonalds Bacon Egg and Cheest (460 calories) + Hash Browns (140 Calories) plus coffee with 2 packets of sugar (32 calories) and you're at 632 for breakfast.
We'll have to disagree here. 8 grams of added sugar is a lot for a 1.3 cup portion size. To put it in perspective, that's just more than 20% of the added sugar you'll find in a can of Coke. Double that portion size for a meaningful bowl of cereal and you're now looking at 41% of a can of Coke.Oof. Honey Nut Cheerios are loaded with added sugar. So are the Multi Grain Cheerios, despite the packaging make it sound like they are super-healthy.
Multi Grain Cheerios | Gluten Free Multi Grain Cereal
Looking for a cereal packed with nutrients? Multi Grain Cheerios offer a combination of nutrition and taste with three whole grains filled with flavor.
Not sure "loaded" is the right word. Per your link, It's 150 calories and 8 grams of Sugar. That's 16% of the recommended daily allowance.
Add 85 calories for a cup of skim milk and that's breakfast for 235 calories. One can easily start from there for the day.
The important thing is objectively looking at the labels. And keeping up with the diet through the day.
That's where the free apps are so useful.
Set a goal and keep up with what you eat and go from there.
And soon you know the information for the foods you regularly eat and it's way less work.
To further put it in perspective, compare to standard Cheerios at 1 gram of added sugar.
belljr
Footballguy
But it's sugar added unnecessarily, well obviously for taste but that's the point. Even people think they are doing the right thing are inundated with sugarOof. Honey Nut Cheerios are loaded with added sugar. So are the Multi Grain Cheerios, despite the packaging make it sound like they are super-healthy.
Multi Grain Cheerios | Gluten Free Multi Grain Cereal
Looking for a cereal packed with nutrients? Multi Grain Cheerios offer a combination of nutrition and taste with three whole grains filled with flavor.
Not sure "loaded" is the right word. Per your link, It's 150 calories and 8 grams of Sugar. That's 16% of the recommended daily allowance.
Add 85 calories for a cup of skim milk and that's breakfast for 235 calories. One can easily start from there for the day.
The important thing is objectively looking at the labels. And keeping up with the diet through the day.
That's where the free apps are so useful.
Set a goal and keep up with what you eat and go from there.
And soon you know the information for the foods you regularly eat and it's way less work.
And I doubt people are eating only 1 cup for breakfast
This isn't remotely a reasonable comparison, to the point that you're purposely trying to slant it in a specific direction. Why are we only including coffee (with sugar) with the McDonald's meal and not with the sugary Cheerios? Why are you adding hash browns to one side? That 1.3 cup of cereal isn't filling anyone up, so what else should we add to that side of the comparison?
More to the point, it's the added sugar that's the nutritional problem with Multi Grain Cheerios, not the calories.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
One thing I think we are leaving out of the discussion (and maybe rightfully so) is the number of people who just don’t care. You could make salmon and fresh vegetables cheap and they would still pick the Big Mac. Unfortunately, I think that’s a larger number than we think.
I used to work with a guy who weighed 5 bills and ate a lot of garbage all the time. He literally did not care and no arguments or assistance from me was able to change that.
ETA: I meant to include that I’m making that point in reference to our high obesity numbers. If 35% of us are obese, how many of those people even care that they are?
I used to work with a guy who weighed 5 bills and ate a lot of garbage all the time. He literally did not care and no arguments or assistance from me was able to change that.
ETA: I meant to include that I’m making that point in reference to our high obesity numbers. If 35% of us are obese, how many of those people even care that they are?
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
If you're looking for the perfect breakfast food it's pasture raised, organic eggs. It's about as perfect a food as you can eat. I had 4 medium boiled this morning with a little salt. Virtually all cereal is just pure crap. It's better than fast food but what isn't?
Doug B
Footballguy
When I was a kid, I didn't mind cereal or frozen waffles for breakfast. These days? I need a protein fix in the mornings to feel satisfied. Eggs hit the spot.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
The one that had all those carbs is the base of it all? Yeah, those were the good old days that have since produced several disturbing/unnerving documentaries.
We'll have to disagree here. 8 grams of added sugar is a lot for a 1.3 cup portion size. To put it in perspective, that's just more than 20% of the added sugar you'll find in a can of Coke. Double that portion size for a meaningful bowl of cereal and you're now looking at 41% of a can of Coke.Oof. Honey Nut Cheerios are loaded with added sugar. So are the Multi Grain Cheerios, despite the packaging make it sound like they are super-healthy.
Multi Grain Cheerios | Gluten Free Multi Grain Cereal
Looking for a cereal packed with nutrients? Multi Grain Cheerios offer a combination of nutrition and taste with three whole grains filled with flavor.
Not sure "loaded" is the right word. Per your link, It's 150 calories and 8 grams of Sugar. That's 16% of the recommended daily allowance.
Add 85 calories for a cup of skim milk and that's breakfast for 235 calories. One can easily start from there for the day.
The important thing is objectively looking at the labels. And keeping up with the diet through the day.
That's where the free apps are so useful.
Set a goal and keep up with what you eat and go from there.
And soon you know the information for the foods you regularly eat and it's way less work.
To further put it in perspective, compare to standard Cheerios at 1 gram of added sugar.
It's 16% of what you can have for the day. Manage the rest of the day and you're fine.Sure, eggs or other things are better. But 235 calories for breakfast and 16% of the sugar for the day is ok.
If we're trying to make it the perfect routine, people won't ever do that.
And the portion control comment is a great example.
1.3 cup IS a meaningful bowl of cereal. Part of the problem in our society today is people don't understand portions.
But fortunately, all that information is easily available to us on the label now.
Or maybe you do want more. Have two bowls and know that you have 570 calories accounted for and plan accordingly from there.
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Yes. Super easy too. Granted, not as easy as a bowl of 235 calories from a bowl of cereal. But not much more difficult.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
I have said this or similar a few times now in this thread. That is easily part of the approach from the "macro" level. Let's face it, we are clearly fine with subsidizing things so maybe we STOP subsidizing the things producing negative outcomes and start subsidizing the things that produce positive outcomes.
That's a factor for sure. And part of the personal responsibility element.
I'm not sure how we get people to care.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
you shouldn't have more than 25-35 grams of sugar in an entire day and that's being generous. that's approximately 100-150 calories worth.
matttyl
Footballguy
$. It won’t work for everyone, but it will for many.
belljr
Footballguy
8 grams of sugar is almost 25% fwiw for menWe'll have to disagree here. 8 grams of added sugar is a lot for a 1.3 cup portion size. To put it in perspective, that's just more than 20% of the added sugar you'll find in a can of Coke. Double that portion size for a meaningful bowl of cereal and you're now looking at 41% of a can of Coke.Oof. Honey Nut Cheerios are loaded with added sugar. So are the Multi Grain Cheerios, despite the packaging make it sound like they are super-healthy.
Multi Grain Cheerios | Gluten Free Multi Grain Cereal
Looking for a cereal packed with nutrients? Multi Grain Cheerios offer a combination of nutrition and taste with three whole grains filled with flavor.
Not sure "loaded" is the right word. Per your link, It's 150 calories and 8 grams of Sugar. That's 16% of the recommended daily allowance.
Add 85 calories for a cup of skim milk and that's breakfast for 235 calories. One can easily start from there for the day.
The important thing is objectively looking at the labels. And keeping up with the diet through the day.
That's where the free apps are so useful.
Set a goal and keep up with what you eat and go from there.
And soon you know the information for the foods you regularly eat and it's way less work.
To further put it in perspective, compare to standard Cheerios at 1 gram of added sugar.
Sure, eggs or other things are better. But 235 calories for breakfast and 16% of the sugar for the day is ok.
If we're trying to make it the perfect routine, people won't ever do that.
And the portion control comment is a great example.
1.3 cup IS a meaningful bowl of cereal. Part of the problem in our society today is people don't understand portions.
But fortunately, all that information is easily available to us on the label now.
Or maybe you do want more. Have two bowls and know that you have 570 calories accounted for and plan accordingly from there.
36 grams is recommended
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
The Multi Grain Cheerios discussion is highlighting a good point - it's not enough to just read labels. You need to look at serving sizes and do math. Lots of labels list ridiculously small servings to hide how unhealthy they are. Cereals are among the worst offenders.
And sure, Americans should probably dial down the portions on a lot of our food, but 1 1/3 cup of cereal is not very much. However, it's almost twice as much as the 3/4 cup listed as the serving size for Honey Nut Cheerios. That has 9 grams of sugar - prorate that to 1 1/3 cup and it's 16. Prorate it to what people are actually eating and it's a bowl of candy.
And sure, Americans should probably dial down the portions on a lot of our food, but 1 1/3 cup of cereal is not very much. However, it's almost twice as much as the 3/4 cup listed as the serving size for Honey Nut Cheerios. That has 9 grams of sugar - prorate that to 1 1/3 cup and it's 16. Prorate it to what people are actually eating and it's a bowl of candy.
matttyl
Footballguy
Dang, there is more than that in a single can of coke.
massraider
Footballguy
Obesity raises everyone's insurance premiums, how much say should you have over the dietary habits of fat guys in this here forum?
Would you like them to forward some dinner receipts, so you can sign off on them?
Good article on sugar. https://time.com/3731507/nutrition-facts-sugar/
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Yeah, I was trying to avoid the math, but I gather 50 g of sugar consumption is considered ok by today's government standards, which seems excessive.
That's the thing. One probably should not be drinking regular coke.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
yep....just go "zero sugar" right? anyone ever looked at the extra chemicals present in those drinks? who knows what's happening with those. I try not to drink that much soda, but when I do, I go with the known quantity. If you guys are really feeling up to it, go to the starbucks site and start comparing those drinks to soda and other commonly consumed "treats". Same with Dunkin'
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
I do not focus on calories but on the types and quality of food I eat. Those 235 calories from Honey Nut Cheerios or whatever contain the triple play of heart disease (sugar, seed oils, processed/enriched grains) where as pasture-raised, organic eggs are almost, if not the most nutrient dense, healthy food there is. We have been duped our entire lives regarding fats/saturated fats and dietary cholesterol being the cause of heart disease. The main culprit has been sugar this whole time. Put a grass fed steak topped with butter on one side of the table and a Dr. Pepper on the other side other table and ask the average person to point to the thing that will clog your arteries. The vast majority will point to the steak and they couldn't be more wrong.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
It's patently misleading in my opinion. Craploads of research shows us a correlation, but they only go as far as causation in their "guidelines".
This.
Notice that the serving sizes for Cheerios (1.5 cups), Multi Grain Cheerios (1.3 cups), and Honey Nut Cheerios (1 cup) are all different. Why? Because the manufacturer is playing games and trying to hide how unhealthy the MG Cheerios and HN Cheerios are.
notoriousbill
Footballguy
Anyone try these
High Protein, Keto-Friendly, 0g Sugar Cereal | Magic Spoon Cereal
Magic Spoon is high-protein, keto-friendly, gluten-free cereal with 0g of sugar. Available in Cocoa, Frosted, Blueberry, Peanut Butter and Cinnamon.magicspoon.com
I ordered some, will advise.
And yes, one should likely consume less sugar than the government suggests (where 8 grams is 16%) but I think it's important we realize how far off many people are on their diet right now.
First steps seem to be getting back to government guidelines. And then we can get better from there.
First steps seem to be getting back to government guidelines. And then we can get better from there.
But it's right there in front of you. If reading the label is too much to ask, we may indeed be doomed.
They're super clear.
I was traveling last week and picked up a protein bar. It was pretty big and the label said 170 calories.
Then I took a split second and looked at serving size and saw it was 2 servings per package.
I then had the choice to have half the bar for 170 or the whole bar for 340. I chose half.
I'm not sure how it could be more simple or transparent.
belljr
Footballguy
But the AHA recommends less.
The American Heart Association recommends limiting added sugars to no more than 6% of calories each day. For most American women, that’s no more than 100 calories per day, or about 6 teaspoons of sugar. For men, it’s 150 calories per day, or about 9 teaspoons. The AHA recommendations focusing on all added sugars without singling out a type such as high fructose corn syrup.
And we expect regular folks to keep track of all this
But eating less is good
Except the argument being made is sugar is added to "everything"
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
"Probably" is doing A LOT of heavy lifting there. The stuff is terrible for you.
I was trying to be gentle as I'm sure we have some Coca Cola drinkers here.
Absolutely. If we want to have a healthy diet.
It does take SOME effort.
Fortunately, free apps make it super simple and convenient. And if one cares about their health, it seems like some of the best ROI one can do.
notoriousbill
Footballguy
I've used MyFitnessPal for past 3+ years. I am OCD on entering my foods...
bigbottom
Footballguy
Sure. But a 10-year-old doesn’t know how to pour out a 1 and 1/3 cup of cereal.
Well, I guess you could teach them but they’re not going to listen.
beer 30
Footballguy
I'm sure it will be taken the wrong way and I'm not trying to be callous but this journey ain't for everybody. You're going to lose a few along the way and I'm ok with that. Some folks would rather go out stuffing hoagies & snickers down their gullet.
Sure. There has to be some guidance there. Same with candy and soda and lots of things.
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
The guidelines are crap though. You have these big food conglomerates lobbying to shape these guidelines and what lies they can put on packaging.
Bottom line, if it contains added sugar, avoid it. We're all human and you're never going to be perfect but there are some easy W's to be had like avoiding soda and cereal. One great thing about cutting all added sugar out of your diet is that your palate eventually resets and food that is naturally sweet tastes like candy.
Doug B
Footballguy
Because you already do the label-checking as a matter of course. You can't use yourself as the default person when thinking about how tackle this stuff.
Magic Spoon review. https://www.bonappetit.com/story/magic-spoon-cereal-review
This seems like a great business idea.
This seems like a great business idea.
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massraider
Footballguy
My parents.
My brothers and I have all talked about this. Stepdad had a heart attack. They made some moves, switched out some foods, and after like a month, the only difference is now he's taking some pills. They both eat almost no veggies, and snack right before they go to bed. Every day. Their attitude 100% is we are gonna eat what we want.
It's a weird feeling, not REALLY pushing and nagging to get them to eat right, but if they aren't committed, there's no chance they will change
belljr
Footballguy
Nice hidden ad trick
I don't matter in this. Transparency is on the person presenting something or the producer.
The producer clearly puts the nutrition label on the food. (Because they're legally required to. I'm sure the companies making unhealthy food hate this law)
I'm not sure how they could be more simple or transparent.
If people don't care enough to spend two seconds reading the clear and simple label, I'm not sure what they can do.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
This is great advice.
My diet isn't very good and I don't have the attention span to enter all my calories into an app, but taking a little time to go through what I eat and throw out the absolute worst offenders went a long way. Soda is pretty much guaranteed to be #1 on the list for anyone who drinks it, so much sugar and zero redeeming qualities.
beer 30
Footballguy
When I first started my weight loss journey, My Fitness Pal was instrumental in the change. I've shied away lately but I do jump back on occasionally when I veer off the path a little too far.
belljr
Footballguy
Agreed. Cutting out soda and cereal is a simple move.
For a lot of people so is alcohol but that's probably a next level thing.
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