Obesity and Ozempic and more (1 Viewer)

[AAABatteries]

While there’s very little upside to being obese

Can you list these so I can feel better about myself? TIA.

 

[Terminalxylem]

While there’s very little upside to being obese

Can you list these so I can feel better about myself? TIA.

Less risk of:

Osteoporosis
Lung cancer
Kwashiorkor
Marasmus
Starvation

Better at:

Sumo
Tug-o-war

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

IDGAF, there is a cost to taking O.

Weighing the benefit vs risk depends on how obese the person is. Morbidly obese and you need a kick start to a healthy lifestyle, sure.

I don’t think anyone who is 20-40 lbs overweight should take them. Those people are more than capable of fixing their issues without O.

Most of the time the root cause of being overweight is lack of a healthy lifestyle. You can take all the pills and have your stomach stapled but if you do t fix the root cause none of it matters.

Many of these people aren’t capable of fixing their issues and the medicine actual does help fix the root cause in some instances.

Many? I said most on purpose. There’s going to be the 800lb woman who has to be cut from her home. There’s people who have rare health issues.

9/10 of the women in my wife’s office are on it. All the formally fat dudes are on it.

We gonna pretend here or be real?

I don’t think that many people are on it. It’s not cheap. If they are, who cares? You need people to earn their physical appearance? Nobody earns it. It’s a genetic grab bag of luck. It’s a much crueler version of your office’s Secret Santa. **** Secret Santa. I want a gift from Ozempic this year.

Her work might be an outlier because their insurance is so insanely good. One girl has been on it for two years and while she looks better, she doesn’t look “good”.

I find the O weight loss makes women look like ghouls. No muscle tone, just frail. They don’t look healthy.

Fair enough. I lost some leg muscle that I don’t think I ever would have ever lost otherwise and I’d like it back so I’m hitting the gym. I think that after twenty frustrating years of being overweight and having a metabolism that was slowing with age that I welcomed the diabetes control and weight control that came with it. People’s reactions to it have surprised me, I didn’t realize how for some people weight was a moral issue. I had always, always thought of it as aesthetic/performance-related, and never a purity one. I’m finding out some differently.

Preventing loss of muscle mass is the next frontier of research in this area. A number of products pretty far along in the pipeline are addressing this in various ways.

As far as "ghouls," dermatologists are now tackling ways to deal with what they call "Ozempic face."

Is the ozempic face and other body issues any different than any other significant weight loss unaccompanied by some sort of gym regimen?

I've got a family member who has done low carb five times in the past 8 years (yeah, it's not sustainable for him but also yields quick results so it's yo-yo time) and he has the same look in the face after the weight loss.

I'm thinking maybe a general "diet and exercise" loss it's less pronounced than Ozempic because the exercise, even if it's just walking or a treadmill or whatever is maintaining some muscle capacity?

Probably not. Yeah I have a buddy who did a lot of the no carb diet stuff. (Adkins?) he had the same look. Frail.

Perhaps the problem isn’t the sunken cheeks, but how Americans have normalized bloated BMIs?

Also, I’d much rather look “frail” than be unhealthy.

Yeah, it's funny, but my wife has an aunt and uncle who did some kind of stomach stapling procedure years ago. We only see them a few times a year, and for the first year or two after, we always commented about how much older and frailer they looked, mostly because of the way their faces changed. They're still around, looking older and frailer now because they're 20 years older and frailer... but when we see old pictures of them from before the procedures, we now just think, "Yeah, they were just fat. They looked much healthier afterwards."

Basically, I wonder how much of people thinking faces look "worse" after losing weight is just because they look different than what you're used to seeing in them, especially when the weight loss is relatively quick.

While there’s very little upside to being obese, a little “baby fat” makes one’s face look younger, no doubt.

Still, I’m constantly surprised how guys in particular view weighing less than 200 or so as “skeletal”, “frail”, or “like a cancer patient.” Yet, these same guys were well under that line in late high school/early college, before they “filled out”. Beer guts are mostly muscle, I suppose.

I have an old study somewhere that looks at average BMI of military recruits, who are presumably fit and healthy. At the turn of last century, average BMIs were around 19, but more recently they’ve ballooned to 25.

And life expectancy back then was around 50 vs. the 78 of now?

Remove infant mortality rates out of the equation and the life expectancy is shockingly similar.

 

[Terminalxylem]

IDGAF, there is a cost to taking O.

Weighing the benefit vs risk depends on how obese the person is. Morbidly obese and you need a kick start to a healthy lifestyle, sure.

I don’t think anyone who is 20-40 lbs overweight should take them. Those people are more than capable of fixing their issues without O.

Most of the time the root cause of being overweight is lack of a healthy lifestyle. You can take all the pills and have your stomach stapled but if you do t fix the root cause none of it matters.

Many of these people aren’t capable of fixing their issues and the medicine actual does help fix the root cause in some instances.

Many? I said most on purpose. There’s going to be the 800lb woman who has to be cut from her home. There’s people who have rare health issues.

9/10 of the women in my wife’s office are on it. All the formally fat dudes are on it.

We gonna pretend here or be real?

I don’t think that many people are on it. It’s not cheap. If they are, who cares? You need people to earn their physical appearance? Nobody earns it. It’s a genetic grab bag of luck. It’s a much crueler version of your office’s Secret Santa. **** Secret Santa. I want a gift from Ozempic this year.

Her work might be an outlier because their insurance is so insanely good. One girl has been on it for two years and while she looks better, she doesn’t look “good”.

I find the O weight loss makes women look like ghouls. No muscle tone, just frail. They don’t look healthy.

Fair enough. I lost some leg muscle that I don’t think I ever would have ever lost otherwise and I’d like it back so I’m hitting the gym. I think that after twenty frustrating years of being overweight and having a metabolism that was slowing with age that I welcomed the diabetes control and weight control that came with it. People’s reactions to it have surprised me, I didn’t realize how for some people weight was a moral issue. I had always, always thought of it as aesthetic/performance-related, and never a purity one. I’m finding out some differently.

Preventing loss of muscle mass is the next frontier of research in this area. A number of products pretty far along in the pipeline are addressing this in various ways.

As far as "ghouls," dermatologists are now tackling ways to deal with what they call "Ozempic face."

Is the ozempic face and other body issues any different than any other significant weight loss unaccompanied by some sort of gym regimen?

I've got a family member who has done low carb five times in the past 8 years (yeah, it's not sustainable for him but also yields quick results so it's yo-yo time) and he has the same look in the face after the weight loss.

I'm thinking maybe a general "diet and exercise" loss it's less pronounced than Ozempic because the exercise, even if it's just walking or a treadmill or whatever is maintaining some muscle capacity?

Probably not. Yeah I have a buddy who did a lot of the no carb diet stuff. (Adkins?) he had the same look. Frail.

Perhaps the problem isn’t the sunken cheeks, but how Americans have normalized bloated BMIs?

Also, I’d much rather look “frail” than be unhealthy.

Yeah, it's funny, but my wife has an aunt and uncle who did some kind of stomach stapling procedure years ago. We only see them a few times a year, and for the first year or two after, we always commented about how much older and frailer they looked, mostly because of the way their faces changed. They're still around, looking older and frailer now because they're 20 years older and frailer... but when we see old pictures of them from before the procedures, we now just think, "Yeah, they were just fat. They looked much healthier afterwards."

Basically, I wonder how much of people thinking faces look "worse" after losing weight is just because they look different than what you're used to seeing in them, especially when the weight loss is relatively quick.

While there’s very little upside to being obese, a little “baby fat” makes one’s face look younger, no doubt.

Still, I’m constantly surprised how guys in particular view weighing less than 200 or so as “skeletal”, “frail”, or “like a cancer patient.” Yet, these same guys were well under that line in late high school/early college, before they “filled out”. Beer guts are mostly muscle, I suppose.

I have an old study somewhere that looks at average BMI of military recruits, who are presumably fit and healthy. At the turn of last century, average BMIs were around 19, but more recently they’ve ballooned to 25.

And life expectancy back then was around 50 vs. the 78 of now?

Remove infant mortality rates out of the equation and the life expectancy is shockingly similar.

Yup. Water sanitation>>>obstetric advances/aseptic technique>vaccines>>antibiotics>>> the rest of medical care

 

[arrow1]

While there’s very little upside to being obese

Can you list these so I can feel better about myself? TIA.

Harder to kidnap

 

[culdeus]

IDGAF, there is a cost to taking O.

Weighing the benefit vs risk depends on how obese the person is. Morbidly obese and you need a kick start to a healthy lifestyle, sure.

I don’t think anyone who is 20-40 lbs overweight should take them. Those people are more than capable of fixing their issues without O.

Most of the time the root cause of being overweight is lack of a healthy lifestyle. You can take all the pills and have your stomach stapled but if you do t fix the root cause none of it matters.

Many of these people aren’t capable of fixing their issues and the medicine actual does help fix the root cause in some instances.

Many? I said most on purpose. There’s going to be the 800lb woman who has to be cut from her home. There’s people who have rare health issues.

9/10 of the women in my wife’s office are on it. All the formally fat dudes are on it.

We gonna pretend here or be real?

I don’t think that many people are on it. It’s not cheap. If they are, who cares? You need people to earn their physical appearance? Nobody earns it. It’s a genetic grab bag of luck. It’s a much crueler version of your office’s Secret Santa. **** Secret Santa. I want a gift from Ozempic this year.

Her work might be an outlier because their insurance is so insanely good. One girl has been on it for two years and while she looks better, she doesn’t look “good”.

I find the O weight loss makes women look like ghouls. No muscle tone, just frail. They don’t look healthy.

Fair enough. I lost some leg muscle that I don’t think I ever would have ever lost otherwise and I’d like it back so I’m hitting the gym. I think that after twenty frustrating years of being overweight and having a metabolism that was slowing with age that I welcomed the diabetes control and weight control that came with it. People’s reactions to it have surprised me, I didn’t realize how for some people weight was a moral issue. I had always, always thought of it as aesthetic/performance-related, and never a purity one. I’m finding out some differently.

Preventing loss of muscle mass is the next frontier of research in this area. A number of products pretty far along in the pipeline are addressing this in various ways.

As far as "ghouls," dermatologists are now tackling ways to deal with what they call "Ozempic face."

Is the ozempic face and other body issues any different than any other significant weight loss unaccompanied by some sort of gym regimen?

I've got a family member who has done low carb five times in the past 8 years (yeah, it's not sustainable for him but also yields quick results so it's yo-yo time) and he has the same look in the face after the weight loss.

I'm thinking maybe a general "diet and exercise" loss it's less pronounced than Ozempic because the exercise, even if it's just walking or a treadmill or whatever is maintaining some muscle capacity?

Probably not. Yeah I have a buddy who did a lot of the no carb diet stuff. (Adkins?) he had the same look. Frail.

Perhaps the problem isn’t the sunken cheeks, but how Americans have normalized bloated BMIs?

Also, I’d much rather look “frail” than be unhealthy.

Yeah, it's funny, but my wife has an aunt and uncle who did some kind of stomach stapling procedure years ago. We only see them a few times a year, and for the first year or two after, we always commented about how much older and frailer they looked, mostly because of the way their faces changed. They're still around, looking older and frailer now because they're 20 years older and frailer... but when we see old pictures of them from before the procedures, we now just think, "Yeah, they were just fat. They looked much healthier afterwards."

Basically, I wonder how much of people thinking faces look "worse" after losing weight is just because they look different than what you're used to seeing in them, especially when the weight loss is relatively quick.

While there’s very little upside to being obese, a little “baby fat” makes one’s face look younger, no doubt.

Still, I’m constantly surprised how guys in particular view weighing less than 200 or so as “skeletal”, “frail”, or “like a cancer patient.” Yet, these same guys were well under that line in late high school/early college, before they “filled out”. Beer guts are mostly muscle, I suppose.

I have an old study somewhere that looks at average BMI of military recruits, who are presumably fit and healthy. At the turn of last century, average BMIs were around 19, but more recently they’ve ballooned to 25.

And life expectancy back then was around 50 vs. the 78 of now?

Remove infant mortality rates out of the equation and the life expectancy is shockingly similar.

Infant mortality is pretty bad in the US vs where you would think it would be.

If there was a no opioid, no bullet, no infant number it would be nice.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

IDGAF, there is a cost to taking O.

Weighing the benefit vs risk depends on how obese the person is. Morbidly obese and you need a kick start to a healthy lifestyle, sure.

I don’t think anyone who is 20-40 lbs overweight should take them. Those people are more than capable of fixing their issues without O.

Most of the time the root cause of being overweight is lack of a healthy lifestyle. You can take all the pills and have your stomach stapled but if you do t fix the root cause none of it matters.

Many of these people aren’t capable of fixing their issues and the medicine actual does help fix the root cause in some instances.

Many? I said most on purpose. There’s going to be the 800lb woman who has to be cut from her home. There’s people who have rare health issues.

9/10 of the women in my wife’s office are on it. All the formally fat dudes are on it.

We gonna pretend here or be real?

I don’t think that many people are on it. It’s not cheap. If they are, who cares? You need people to earn their physical appearance? Nobody earns it. It’s a genetic grab bag of luck. It’s a much crueler version of your office’s Secret Santa. **** Secret Santa. I want a gift from Ozempic this year.

Her work might be an outlier because their insurance is so insanely good. One girl has been on it for two years and while she looks better, she doesn’t look “good”.

I find the O weight loss makes women look like ghouls. No muscle tone, just frail. They don’t look healthy.

Fair enough. I lost some leg muscle that I don’t think I ever would have ever lost otherwise and I’d like it back so I’m hitting the gym. I think that after twenty frustrating years of being overweight and having a metabolism that was slowing with age that I welcomed the diabetes control and weight control that came with it. People’s reactions to it have surprised me, I didn’t realize how for some people weight was a moral issue. I had always, always thought of it as aesthetic/performance-related, and never a purity one. I’m finding out some differently.

Preventing loss of muscle mass is the next frontier of research in this area. A number of products pretty far along in the pipeline are addressing this in various ways.

As far as "ghouls," dermatologists are now tackling ways to deal with what they call "Ozempic face."

Is the ozempic face and other body issues any different than any other significant weight loss unaccompanied by some sort of gym regimen?

I've got a family member who has done low carb five times in the past 8 years (yeah, it's not sustainable for him but also yields quick results so it's yo-yo time) and he has the same look in the face after the weight loss.

I'm thinking maybe a general "diet and exercise" loss it's less pronounced than Ozempic because the exercise, even if it's just walking or a treadmill or whatever is maintaining some muscle capacity?

Probably not. Yeah I have a buddy who did a lot of the no carb diet stuff. (Adkins?) he had the same look. Frail.

Perhaps the problem isn’t the sunken cheeks, but how Americans have normalized bloated BMIs?

Also, I’d much rather look “frail” than be unhealthy.

Yeah, it's funny, but my wife has an aunt and uncle who did some kind of stomach stapling procedure years ago. We only see them a few times a year, and for the first year or two after, we always commented about how much older and frailer they looked, mostly because of the way their faces changed. They're still around, looking older and frailer now because they're 20 years older and frailer... but when we see old pictures of them from before the procedures, we now just think, "Yeah, they were just fat. They looked much healthier afterwards."

Basically, I wonder how much of people thinking faces look "worse" after losing weight is just because they look different than what you're used to seeing in them, especially when the weight loss is relatively quick.

While there’s very little upside to being obese, a little “baby fat” makes one’s face look younger, no doubt.

Still, I’m constantly surprised how guys in particular view weighing less than 200 or so as “skeletal”, “frail”, or “like a cancer patient.” Yet, these same guys were well under that line in late high school/early college, before they “filled out”. Beer guts are mostly muscle, I suppose.

I have an old study somewhere that looks at average BMI of military recruits, who are presumably fit and healthy. At the turn of last century, average BMIs were around 19, but more recently they’ve ballooned to 25.

And life expectancy back then was around 50 vs. the 78 of now?

Remove infant mortality rates out of the equation and the life expecancy is shockingly similar.

Infant mortality is pretty bad in the US vs where you would think it would be.

If there was a no opioid, no bullet, no infant number it would be nice.

Here's a good article on infant mortality over the years. https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality-in-the-past

Another cool graphic showing life expectancy once infant mortality is stripped out. https://ourworldindata.org/its-not-just-about-child-mortality-life-expectancy-improved-at-all-ages

As @Terminalxylem alluded to, basic sanitation and OB advances >>> most everything else. I would have thought life expectancy would have jumped mightily since the mid 1800s, but the reality is that we've gained no more than a decade.

 

[culdeus]

IDGAF, there is a cost to taking O.

Weighing the benefit vs risk depends on how obese the person is. Morbidly obese and you need a kick start to a healthy lifestyle, sure.

I don’t think anyone who is 20-40 lbs overweight should take them. Those people are more than capable of fixing their issues without O.

Most of the time the root cause of being overweight is lack of a healthy lifestyle. You can take all the pills and have your stomach stapled but if you do t fix the root cause none of it matters.

Many of these people aren’t capable of fixing their issues and the medicine actual does help fix the root cause in some instances.

Many? I said most on purpose. There’s going to be the 800lb woman who has to be cut from her home. There’s people who have rare health issues.

9/10 of the women in my wife’s office are on it. All the formally fat dudes are on it.

We gonna pretend here or be real?

I don’t think that many people are on it. It’s not cheap. If they are, who cares? You need people to earn their physical appearance? Nobody earns it. It’s a genetic grab bag of luck. It’s a much crueler version of your office’s Secret Santa. **** Secret Santa. I want a gift from Ozempic this year.

Her work might be an outlier because their insurance is so insanely good. One girl has been on it for two years and while she looks better, she doesn’t look “good”.

I find the O weight loss makes women look like ghouls. No muscle tone, just frail. They don’t look healthy.

Fair enough. I lost some leg muscle that I don’t think I ever would have ever lost otherwise and I’d like it back so I’m hitting the gym. I think that after twenty frustrating years of being overweight and having a metabolism that was slowing with age that I welcomed the diabetes control and weight control that came with it. People’s reactions to it have surprised me, I didn’t realize how for some people weight was a moral issue. I had always, always thought of it as aesthetic/performance-related, and never a purity one. I’m finding out some differently.

Preventing loss of muscle mass is the next frontier of research in this area. A number of products pretty far along in the pipeline are addressing this in various ways.

As far as "ghouls," dermatologists are now tackling ways to deal with what they call "Ozempic face."

Is the ozempic face and other body issues any different than any other significant weight loss unaccompanied by some sort of gym regimen?

I've got a family member who has done low carb five times in the past 8 years (yeah, it's not sustainable for him but also yields quick results so it's yo-yo time) and he has the same look in the face after the weight loss.

I'm thinking maybe a general "diet and exercise" loss it's less pronounced than Ozempic because the exercise, even if it's just walking or a treadmill or whatever is maintaining some muscle capacity?

Probably not. Yeah I have a buddy who did a lot of the no carb diet stuff. (Adkins?) he had the same look. Frail.

Perhaps the problem isn’t the sunken cheeks, but how Americans have normalized bloated BMIs?

Also, I’d much rather look “frail” than be unhealthy.

Yeah, it's funny, but my wife has an aunt and uncle who did some kind of stomach stapling procedure years ago. We only see them a few times a year, and for the first year or two after, we always commented about how much older and frailer they looked, mostly because of the way their faces changed. They're still around, looking older and frailer now because they're 20 years older and frailer... but when we see old pictures of them from before the procedures, we now just think, "Yeah, they were just fat. They looked much healthier afterwards."

Basically, I wonder how much of people thinking faces look "worse" after losing weight is just because they look different than what you're used to seeing in them, especially when the weight loss is relatively quick.

While there’s very little upside to being obese, a little “baby fat” makes one’s face look younger, no doubt.

Still, I’m constantly surprised how guys in particular view weighing less than 200 or so as “skeletal”, “frail”, or “like a cancer patient.” Yet, these same guys were well under that line in late high school/early college, before they “filled out”. Beer guts are mostly muscle, I suppose.

I have an old study somewhere that looks at average BMI of military recruits, who are presumably fit and healthy. At the turn of last century, average BMIs were around 19, but more recently they’ve ballooned to 25.

And life expectancy back then was around 50 vs. the 78 of now?

Remove infant mortality rates out of the equation and the life expecancy is shockingly similar.

Infant mortality is pretty bad in the US vs where you would think it would be.

If there was a no opioid, no bullet, no infant number it would be nice.

Here's a good article on infant mortality over the years. https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality-in-the-past

Another cool graphic showing life expectancy once infant mortality is stripped out. https://ourworldindata.org/its-not-just-about-child-mortality-life-expectancy-improved-at-all-ages

As @Terminalxylem alluded to, basic sanitation and OB advances >>> most everything else. I would have thought life expectancy would have jumped mightily since the mid 1800s, but the reality is that we've gained no more than a decade.

So basically you make it to 80 if you make it to 40 and that's that.

 

[Dezbelief]

GLP-1 drugs and vision loss: How significant are the risks?

Some studies link GLP-1 use to an increased risk for eye diseases but a recent paper argues there is insufficient evidence to suggest drugs like Ozempic contribute to vision loss.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

MSN

Article from the WaPo about microdosing GLP-1's

 

[AAABatteries]

MSN

Article from the WaPo about microdosing GLP-1's

Bombeleoooo

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

MSN

Article from the WaPo about microdosing GLP-1's

Bombeleoooo

It might lead to a jazzman lifestyle

 

[Chadstroma]

I mean, is it possible that neurological and chemical issues are more to blame than willpower? Or is the premise that those with willpower should overcome these signals?

Contrave, a drug given to alcoholics and drug addicts in recovery, helped me more than the GLPs did. Though it's impact wore off after time. My insurance declined the prescription because they will not allow two weight loss drugs at the same time. After my colonoscopy is done, I am going on a higher dose of Zepbound (had to come off it for the procedure) and then referral me to a specialist to discuss options.

The huge positive impact of Contrave was pretty clear evidence to me that what I deal with is an addiction. The GLPs helped but I would still have these uncontrollable cravings that would still hit me.

It was a revelation and in an odd way a comfort. That there was/is something going on beyond just willpower. I don't know if that is chemical or neurological or what but it isn't just "but more calories than you eat and if you don't your willpower sucks".

 

[rockaction]

I mean, is it possible that neurological and chemical issues are more to blame than willpower? Or is the premise that those with willpower should overcome these signals?

Contrave, a drug given to alcoholics and drug addicts in recovery, helped me more than the GLPs did. Though it's impact wore off after time. My insurance declined the prescription because they will not allow two weight loss drugs at the same time. After my colonoscopy is done, I am going on a higher dose of Zepbound (had to come off it for the procedure) and then referral me to a specialist to discuss options.

The huge positive impact of Contrave was pretty clear evidence to me that what I deal with is an addiction. The GLPs helped but I would still have these uncontrollable cravings that would still hit me.

It was a revelation and in an odd way a comfort. That there was/is something going on beyond just willpower. I don't know if that is chemical or neurological or what but it isn't just "but more calories than you eat and if you don't your willpower sucks".

I think that’s interesting but your argument has an assumptive premise that addiction isn’t a choice or behavioral.

I am just looking at it from an argument’s perspective and not a judgment about the assumption’s truth value.

I would honestly say that addiction is probably not a choice, but people could argue that it is either preventable or controllable in some way.

Assume it’s the internet and the guy advancing the first assertion will argue anything to make his assertion plausible.

 

[Chadstroma]

I mean, is it possible that neurological and chemical issues are more to blame than willpower? Or is the premise that those with willpower should overcome these signals?

Contrave, a drug given to alcoholics and drug addicts in recovery, helped me more than the GLPs did. Though it's impact wore off after time. My insurance declined the prescription because they will not allow two weight loss drugs at the same time. After my colonoscopy is done, I am going on a higher dose of Zepbound (had to come off it for the procedure) and then referral me to a specialist to discuss options.

The huge positive impact of Contrave was pretty clear evidence to me that what I deal with is an addiction. The GLPs helped but I would still have these uncontrollable cravings that would still hit me.

It was a revelation and in an odd way a comfort. That there was/is something going on beyond just willpower. I don't know if that is chemical or neurological or what but it isn't just "but more calories than you eat and if you don't your willpower sucks".

I think that’s interesting but your argument has an assumptive premise that addiction isn’t a choice or behavioral.

I am just looking at it from an argument’s perspective and not a judgment about the assumption’s truth value.

I would honestly say that addiction is probably not a choice, but people could argue that it is either preventable or controllable in some way.

Assume it’s the internet and the guy advancing the first assertion will argue anything to make his assertion plausible.

Not an argument. Just sharing my experience.

 

[TripItUp]

if obesity largely isn't a choice(which I obviously disagree with), why is everybody in San Diego in great shape, and when I visit Nebraska everybody looks like they ate the goodyear blimp?

Do people in San Diego have awesome choices that Nebraskans don't have and can't overcome?

 

[rockaction]

if obesity largely isn't a choice(which I obviously disagree with), why is everybody in San Diego in great shape, and when I visit Nebraska everybody looks like they ate the goodyear blimp?

Do people in San Diego have awesome choices that Nebraskans don't have and can't overcome?

That’s a fair argument if the assumption that is true holds. Now, examine it a little further as it relates to available food choices and then judgments about individuals whose habits you don’t know.

And that just starts to address the assumptions you’re not dealing with.

 

[TripItUp]

That’s a fair argument if the assumption that is true holds. Now, examine it a little further as it relates to available food choices and then judgments about individuals whose habits you don’t know.

Yeah, I guess I assume that salad and apples are readily available in Nebraska, but I'll confirm that with my Nebraska friends.

 

[rockaction]

I’m bowing out. I don’t want to get suspended. You can expound upon the first of your arguments. Have a good one and don’t forget to vote next November 6th.

 

[AAABatteries]

if obesity largely isn't a choice(which I obviously disagree with), why is everybody in San Diego in great shape, and when I visit Nebraska everybody looks like they ate the goodyear blimp?

Do people in San Diego have awesome choices that Nebraskans don't have and can't overcome?

Probably because your observation is wrong. Difference is 24.7% vs. 33.6%. Definitely noteworthy but 8.9% isn’t everyone.*

*caveat that it’s googled numbers so may be somewhat wrong but point remains.

 

[Max Power]

Some good news.

Tyson to end use of high fructose corn syrup

The meat processor is also removing other ingredients associated with ultraprocessed foods by the end of the year, including sucralose and titanium dioxide.

www.fooddive.com

 

[Max Power]

if obesity largely isn't a choice(which I obviously disagree with), why is everybody in San Diego in great shape, and when I visit Nebraska everybody looks like they ate the goodyear blimp?

Do people in San Diego have awesome choices that Nebraskans don't have and can't overcome?

I think lack of willpower plays into unhealthy food choices. There is probably a laziness aspect to it as well.

However I do think location plays a massive difference in lifestyle. SD climate is much better and a lot of people can walk to stores, restaurants, shopping, parks, ect... Where as places in the rural colder areas of the country are limited in both regards. They have to drive more and spend more time indoors. It adds up over time.

 

[MTskibum]

Some good news.

Tyson to end use of high fructose corn syrup

The meat processor is also removing other ingredients associated with ultraprocessed foods by the end of the year, including sucralose and titanium dioxide.

www.fooddive.com

That is good news, but that is step 1 of step 100. It will still be ultraprocessed crap even without the HFCS. We need the entire manufacturing process of our pre-packaged foods to change.

 

[Max Power]

Some good news.

Tyson to end use of high fructose corn syrup

The meat processor is also removing other ingredients associated with ultraprocessed foods by the end of the year, including sucralose and titanium dioxide.

www.fooddive.com

That is good news, but that is step 1 of step 100. It will still be ultraprocessed crap even without the HFCS. We need the entire manufacturing process of our pre-packaged foods to change.

Yeah its baby steps, but at least we have started acknowledging it and companies seem willing to make the small changes. Several large companies have initiated plans to remove artificial dyes as well.

 

[MTskibum]

Some good news.

Tyson to end use of high fructose corn syrup

The meat processor is also removing other ingredients associated with ultraprocessed foods by the end of the year, including sucralose and titanium dioxide.

www.fooddive.com

That is good news, but that is step 1 of step 100. It will still be ultraprocessed crap even without the HFCS. We need the entire manufacturing process of our pre-packaged foods to change.

Yeah its baby steps, but at least we have started acknowledging it and companies seem willing to make the small changes. Several large companies have initiated plans to remove artificial dyes as well.

Maybe baby steps or maybe learning to crawl. I have strong doubts that these companies are doing anything more than just paying lip service.

If you remove HFCS, it is still ultra processed, but maybe you can convince the consumer that now it is not quite as unhealthy, but the reality is that it is just as unhealthy as before due to all the other ingredients.

A practical way to identify an ultra-processed product is to check to see if its list of ingredients contains at least one item characteristic of the NOVA ultra-processed food group, which is to say, either food substances never or rarely used in kitchens (such as high-fructose corn syrup, hydrogenated or interesterified oils, and hydrolysed proteins), or classes of additives designed to make the final product palatable or more appealing (such as flavours, flavour enhancers, colours, emulsifiers, emulsifying salts, sweeteners, thickeners, and anti-foaming, bulking, carbonating, foaming, gelling and glazing agents).

Ultra-processed foods already make up more than half of the total dietary energy consumed in high-income countries such as the USA( 1 ), Canada( 2 ) and the UK( 3 ) and between one-fifth and one-third of total dietary energy in middle-income countries such as Brazil( 4 ), Mexico( 5 ) and Chile( 6 ). The average growth in sales of these products amounts to about 1% per year in high-income countries and up to 10% per year in middle-income countries( 7 ).

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10260459/

 

[MTskibum]

@Max Power

I saw the thinking emoji, so let me explain further. Sucrose is the chemical name for what we call table sugar.

Sucrose - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If you read the link about sucrose you will see that a sucrose molecule is made up of 1 glucose and 1 fructose. Your body breaks down sucrose into fructose using enzymes. Even if you replace fructose with sucrose in the food your body still gets fructose as part of the metabolic cycle.

Fructose by itself is no worse than sucrose and is generated naturally in foods that people consider healthy: apples, blueberries, bananas and even in veggies like sweet onions and bell peppers.

High levels of fructose are bad and the fact that companies add HFCS into products that make 1 beverage have 100% of your daily recommendation of sugar, then that is why HFCS is considered to be the devil. It is the quantity of it that they are adding to the food that is the issue.

If all a company does is replace fructose with sucrose, you still have an ultra processed food with WAY too many calories derived by sugar. Nothing has really changed to make it healthier.

What we need is for companies to drop the sugar content of their food by 75% or more(regardless of the sugar molecule chosen) and to get rid of artificial sweeteners.

My worry is that Tyson will just replace HFCS with sucrose and call it a day and then market their products as "Healthy option - NO High Fructose Corn Syrup"

 

[Max Power]

@Max Power

I saw the thinking emoji, so let me explain further. Sucrose is the chemical name for what we call table sugar.

Sucrose - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If you read the link about sucrose you will see that a sucrose molecule is made up of 1 glucose and 1 fructose. Your body breaks down sucrose into fructose using enzymes. Even if you replace fructose with sucrose in the food your body still gets fructose as part of the metabolic cycle.

Fructose by itself is no worse than sucrose and is generated naturally in foods that people consider healthy: apples, blueberries, bananas and even in veggies like sweet onions and bell peppers.

High levels of fructose are bad and the fact that companies add HFCS into products that make 1 beverage have 100% of your daily recommendation of sugar, then that is why HFCS is considered bad. It is the quantity of it that they are adding to the food that is the issue.

If all a company does is replace fructose with sucrose, you still have an ultra processed food with WAY too many calories derived by sugar. Nothing has really changed to make it healthier.

What we need is for companies to drop the sugar content of their food by 75% or more(regardless of the sugar molecule chosen) and to get rid of artificial sweeteners.

My worry is that Tyson will just replace HFCS with sucrolose and call it a day and then market their products as "Healthy option - NO High Fructose Corn Syrup"

Thank you. That was a great explanation.

The thinking part was mostly in regards to the lip service and if these companies care even a little bit about the health of their consumers. There seems to be a market of people who want to eat healthier and have better processed options. End of the day these companies are driven by profits and we'll never know the discussions taking place behind closed doors there, but is the desire to improve their food or just the appearance of it...

 

[MTskibum]

Thank you. That was a great explanation.

The thinking part was mostly in regards to the lip service and if these companies care even a little bit about the health of their consumers. There seems to be a market of people who want to eat healthier and have better processed options. End of the day these companies are driven by profits and we'll never know the discussions taking place behind closed doors there, but is the desire to improve their food or just the appearance of it...

I would purchase better processed options if I could, but I dont think there is any company out there making them. Certainly none in my local grocery store.

Even companies like boars head that I always thought of as more of an upscale meat/cheese provider compared to oscar meyer/kraft/grocery store brand is just terrible.

Look at this article from last year, that should have given them ample time to fix their issues for inspection.

Boar's Head plant linked to deadly outbreak broke food safety rules dozens of times, records show

Records show that a Boar's Head deli meat plant in Virginia tied to a deadly food poisoning outbreak repeatedly violated federal regulations.

apnews.com

Nope:

Boar's Head responded with a vow to never make liverwurst again and claimed to be cleaning up its act—and the Jarratt facility, which was shut down last September amid the outbreak. But, subsequent inspection reports at three of the company's other facilities—ones in Arkansas, Indiana, and a second plant in Virginia—have turned up similar sanitation problems. And some of the alarming inspection reports were as recent as this past June.

https://arstechnica.com/health/2025...oars-head-plants-draw-congressional-scrutiny/


I hate big food.

 

[Dr. Manhattan]

That’s a fair argument if the assumption that is true holds. Now, examine it a little further as it relates to available food choices and then judgments about individuals whose habits you don’t know.

Yeah, I guess I assume that salad and apples are readily available in Nebraska, but I'll confirm that with my Nebraska friends.

I mean, San Diego is an incredibly walkable city due to the design as well as climate.

Due to the location, outdoor activities are abundant. Large parks, beaches, bike paths etc. Things Nebraska more than likely lacks.

Now look at the restaurant offerings, I'll take Cava as an example (think Chipotle but a Mediterranean twist). 4 locations in San Diego, 0 in Nebraska.

Omaha has 18 McDonalds and San Diego 13. But San Diego has 3x the population. Just some food for thought.

 

[Capella]

if obesity largely isn't a choice(which I obviously disagree with), why is everybody in San Diego in great shape, and when I visit Nebraska everybody looks like they ate the goodyear blimp?

Do people in San Diego have awesome choices that Nebraskans don't have and can't overcome?

Same reason there’s not many fat people in NYC. You’re outside and walking all the time.

 

[Chadstroma]

Thank you. That was a great explanation.

The thinking part was mostly in regards to the lip service and if these companies care even a little bit about the health of their consumers. There seems to be a market of people who want to eat healthier and have better processed options. End of the day these companies are driven by profits and we'll never know the discussions taking place behind closed doors there, but is the desire to improve their food or just the appearance of it...

I would purchase better processed options if I could, but I dont think there is any company out there making them. Certainly none in my local grocery store.

Even companies like boars head that I always thought of as more of an upscale meat/cheese provider compared to oscar meyer/kraft/grocery store brand is just terrible.

Look at this article from last year, that should have given them ample time to fix their issues for inspection.

Boar's Head plant linked to deadly outbreak broke food safety rules dozens of times, records show

Records show that a Boar's Head deli meat plant in Virginia tied to a deadly food poisoning outbreak repeatedly violated federal regulations.

apnews.com

Nope:

Boar's Head responded with a vow to never make liverwurst again and claimed to be cleaning up its act—and the Jarratt facility, which was shut down last September amid the outbreak. But, subsequent inspection reports at three of the company's other facilities—ones in Arkansas, Indiana, and a second plant in Virginia—have turned up similar sanitation problems. And some of the alarming inspection reports were as recent as this past June.

https://arstechnica.com/health/2025...oars-head-plants-draw-congressional-scrutiny/


I hate big food.

Geez... Boars Head is supposed to be high quality

 

[SofaKings]

I think I remember in 90s that it seemed to be or at least it seemed to be different than what you receive over the counter now.

 

[Mitchie]

Thank you. That was a great explanation.

The thinking part was mostly in regards to the lip service and if these companies care even a little bit about the health of their consumers. There seems to be a market of people who want to eat healthier and have better processed options. End of the day these companies are driven by profits and we'll never know the discussions taking place behind closed doors there, but is the desire to improve their food or just the appearance of it...

I would purchase better processed options if I could, but I dont think there is any company out there making them. Certainly none in my local grocery store.

Even companies like boars head that I always thought of as more of an upscale meat/cheese provider compared to oscar meyer/kraft/grocery store brand is just terrible.

Look at this article from last year, that should have given them ample time to fix their issues for inspection.

Boar's Head plant linked to deadly outbreak broke food safety rules dozens of times, records show

Records show that a Boar's Head deli meat plant in Virginia tied to a deadly food poisoning outbreak repeatedly violated federal regulations.

apnews.com

Nope:

Boar's Head responded with a vow to never make liverwurst again and claimed to be cleaning up its act—and the Jarratt facility, which was shut down last September amid the outbreak. But, subsequent inspection reports at three of the company's other facilities—ones in Arkansas, Indiana, and a second plant in Virginia—have turned up similar sanitation problems. And some of the alarming inspection reports were as recent as this past June.

https://arstechnica.com/health/2025...oars-head-plants-draw-congressional-scrutiny/


I hate big food.

Geez... Boars Head is supposed to be high quality

Maybe you know this but all processed meat is considered a Group 1 carcinogen. I used to think that deli turkey meat for example was healthy and ate it all the time. Once found out I stopped eating it cold turkey (no pun intended).

 

[TripItUp]

Same reason there’s not many fat people in NYC. You’re outside and walking all the time.

seems like a choice everybody has...I mean, maybe you can't walk in a blizzard, but does all of Nebraska stop walking/exercising for the entire winter?

Also, isn't obesity more about what you eat than exercise?

 

[TripItUp]

Omaha has 18 McDonalds and San Diego 13. But San Diego has 3x the population. Just some food for thought.

If the people of Omaha decided not to eat at Mcdonalds(like people in SD do), there wouldn't be that many Mcdonalds in Omaha.

 

[rockaction]

Omaha has 18 McDonalds and San Diego 13. But San Diego has 3x the population. Just some food for thought.

If the people of Omaha decided not to eat at Mcdonalds(like people in SD do), there wouldn't be that many Mcdonalds in Omaha.

You are really going to just take an Omaha and San Diego comparison and draw a conclusion?

You’re serious?

Please proceed.

 

[Mitchie]

Better looking people in San Diego, they smash more, that's the difference.

 

[Capella]

Same reason there’s not many fat people in NYC. You’re outside and walking all the time.

seems like a choice everybody has...I mean, maybe you can't walk in a blizzard, but does all of Nebraska stop walking/exercising for the entire winter?

Also, isn't obesity more about what you eat than exercise?

You ever been to Nebraska? You can go a long way without anywhere to walk to. Sure you can just walk a long *** country road but it helps to stop and have stuff to look at.

And yes to your second question.

 

[MTskibum]

Thank you. That was a great explanation.

The thinking part was mostly in regards to the lip service and if these companies care even a little bit about the health of their consumers. There seems to be a market of people who want to eat healthier and have better processed options. End of the day these companies are driven by profits and we'll never know the discussions taking place behind closed doors there, but is the desire to improve their food or just the appearance of it...

I would purchase better processed options if I could, but I dont think there is any company out there making them. Certainly none in my local grocery store.

Even companies like boars head that I always thought of as more of an upscale meat/cheese provider compared to oscar meyer/kraft/grocery store brand is just terrible.

Look at this article from last year, that should have given them ample time to fix their issues for inspection.

Boar's Head plant linked to deadly outbreak broke food safety rules dozens of times, records show

Records show that a Boar's Head deli meat plant in Virginia tied to a deadly food poisoning outbreak repeatedly violated federal regulations.

apnews.com

Nope:

Boar's Head responded with a vow to never make liverwurst again and claimed to be cleaning up its act—and the Jarratt facility, which was shut down last September amid the outbreak. But, subsequent inspection reports at three of the company's other facilities—ones in Arkansas, Indiana, and a second plant in Virginia—have turned up similar sanitation problems. And some of the alarming inspection reports were as recent as this past June.

https://arstechnica.com/health/2025...oars-head-plants-draw-congressional-scrutiny/


I hate big food.

Geez... Boars Head is supposed to be high quality

Maybe you know this but all processed meat is considered a Group 1 carcinogen. I used to think that deli turkey meat for example was healthy and ate it all the time. Once found out I stopped eating it cold turkey (no pun intended).

I know, I try to reduce process meat, alcohol, sugar, salt, potato chips, and even grilled unprocessed meat with a good char.

Everything I like is bad for me.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Better looking people in San Diego, they smash more, that's the difference.

Both Marlon Brando and Fred Astaire are from Omaha. Those guys ####.

 

[Max Power]

Thank you. That was a great explanation.

The thinking part was mostly in regards to the lip service and if these companies care even a little bit about the health of their consumers. There seems to be a market of people who want to eat healthier and have better processed options. End of the day these companies are driven by profits and we'll never know the discussions taking place behind closed doors there, but is the desire to improve their food or just the appearance of it...

I would purchase better processed options if I could, but I dont think there is any company out there making them. Certainly none in my local grocery store.

Even companies like boars head that I always thought of as more of an upscale meat/cheese provider compared to oscar meyer/kraft/grocery store brand is just terrible.

Look at this article from last year, that should have given them ample time to fix their issues for inspection.

Boar's Head plant linked to deadly outbreak broke food safety rules dozens of times, records show

Records show that a Boar's Head deli meat plant in Virginia tied to a deadly food poisoning outbreak repeatedly violated federal regulations.

apnews.com

Nope:

Boar's Head responded with a vow to never make liverwurst again and claimed to be cleaning up its act—and the Jarratt facility, which was shut down last September amid the outbreak. But, subsequent inspection reports at three of the company's other facilities—ones in Arkansas, Indiana, and a second plant in Virginia—have turned up similar sanitation problems. And some of the alarming inspection reports were as recent as this past June.

https://arstechnica.com/health/2025...oars-head-plants-draw-congressional-scrutiny/


I hate big food.

Geez... Boars Head is supposed to be high quality

Maybe you know this but all processed meat is considered a Group 1 carcinogen. I used to think that deli turkey meat for example was healthy and ate it all the time. Once found out I stopped eating it cold turkey (no pun intended).

I know, I try to reduce process meat, alcohol, sugar, salt, potato chips, and even grilled unprocessed meat with a good char.

Everything I like is bad for me.

How much salt is too much salt? I can't get away from it

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

Thank you. That was a great explanation.

The thinking part was mostly in regards to the lip service and if these companies care even a little bit about the health of their consumers. There seems to be a market of people who want to eat healthier and have better processed options. End of the day these companies are driven by profits and we'll never know the discussions taking place behind closed doors there, but is the desire to improve their food or just the appearance of it...

I would purchase better processed options if I could, but I dont think there is any company out there making them. Certainly none in my local grocery store.

Even companies like boars head that I always thought of as more of an upscale meat/cheese provider compared to oscar meyer/kraft/grocery store brand is just terrible.

Look at this article from last year, that should have given them ample time to fix their issues for inspection.

Boar's Head plant linked to deadly outbreak broke food safety rules dozens of times, records show

Records show that a Boar's Head deli meat plant in Virginia tied to a deadly food poisoning outbreak repeatedly violated federal regulations.

apnews.com

Nope:

Boar's Head responded with a vow to never make liverwurst again and claimed to be cleaning up its act—and the Jarratt facility, which was shut down last September amid the outbreak. But, subsequent inspection reports at three of the company's other facilities—ones in Arkansas, Indiana, and a second plant in Virginia—have turned up similar sanitation problems. And some of the alarming inspection reports were as recent as this past June.

https://arstechnica.com/health/2025...oars-head-plants-draw-congressional-scrutiny/


I hate big food.

Geez... Boars Head is supposed to be high quality

Maybe you know this but all processed meat is considered a Group 1 carcinogen. I used to think that deli turkey meat for example was healthy and ate it all the time. Once found out I stopped eating it cold turkey (no pun intended).

I know, I try to reduce process meat, alcohol, sugar, salt, potato chips, and even grilled unprocessed meat with a good char.

Everything I like is bad for me.

How much salt is too much salt? I can't get away from it

Is salt still bad? It's hard to keep up. Tons of products like https://drinklmnt.com/ claiming more salt not less is a good thing. Maybe it depends on how much you sweat during workouts.

The drink mix mentioned above is super good though. The chocolate caramel in coffee is heaven in a mug, especially with a little splash of milk or cream and the the lemonade version on a hot day or after a hard workout is tough to beat. Makes me wonder how good something that tastes so good can really be for you.

 

[Max Power]

Thank you. That was a great explanation.

The thinking part was mostly in regards to the lip service and if these companies care even a little bit about the health of their consumers. There seems to be a market of people who want to eat healthier and have better processed options. End of the day these companies are driven by profits and we'll never know the discussions taking place behind closed doors there, but is the desire to improve their food or just the appearance of it...

I would purchase better processed options if I could, but I dont think there is any company out there making them. Certainly none in my local grocery store.

Even companies like boars head that I always thought of as more of an upscale meat/cheese provider compared to oscar meyer/kraft/grocery store brand is just terrible.

Look at this article from last year, that should have given them ample time to fix their issues for inspection.

Boar's Head plant linked to deadly outbreak broke food safety rules dozens of times, records show

Records show that a Boar's Head deli meat plant in Virginia tied to a deadly food poisoning outbreak repeatedly violated federal regulations.

apnews.com

Nope:

Boar's Head responded with a vow to never make liverwurst again and claimed to be cleaning up its act—and the Jarratt facility, which was shut down last September amid the outbreak. But, subsequent inspection reports at three of the company's other facilities—ones in Arkansas, Indiana, and a second plant in Virginia—have turned up similar sanitation problems. And some of the alarming inspection reports were as recent as this past June.

https://arstechnica.com/health/2025...oars-head-plants-draw-congressional-scrutiny/


I hate big food.

Geez... Boars Head is supposed to be high quality

Maybe you know this but all processed meat is considered a Group 1 carcinogen. I used to think that deli turkey meat for example was healthy and ate it all the time. Once found out I stopped eating it cold turkey (no pun intended).

I know, I try to reduce process meat, alcohol, sugar, salt, potato chips, and even grilled unprocessed meat with a good char.

Everything I like is bad for me.

How much salt is too much salt? I can't get away from it

Is salt still bad? It's hard to keep up. Tons of products like https://drinklmnt.com/ claiming more salt not less is a good thing. Maybe it depends on how much you sweat during workouts.

The drink mix mentioned above is super good though. The chocolate caramel in coffee is heaven in a mug, especially with a little splash of milk or cream and the the lemonade version on a hot day or after a hard workout is tough to beat. Makes me wonder how good something that tastes so good can really be for you.

The do your own research thread is down the hall buddy... j/k but that was a very interesting article attached the claim. I've always operated under the idea that people who workout often are cleared to consume more sodium, so I've never shied away from salt.

A growing body of research reveals that optimal health outcomes occur at sodium levels 2-3x government recommendations. That’s why we say, More Salt, Not Less.

I also might give that product a try, you sold it well...

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

The do your own research thread is down the hall buddy

I'm just asking questions

I also might give that product a try, you sold it well...

Don't blame me if your BP jumps 20 points.

Seriously though, once you have the chocolate caramel in coffee there's no going back, so hopefully their science isn't total BS. 30mins in a sauna or sweating it out in the gym probably takes care of any concerns.

 

[MTskibum]

Thank you. That was a great explanation.

The thinking part was mostly in regards to the lip service and if these companies care even a little bit about the health of their consumers. There seems to be a market of people who want to eat healthier and have better processed options. End of the day these companies are driven by profits and we'll never know the discussions taking place behind closed doors there, but is the desire to improve their food or just the appearance of it...

I would purchase better processed options if I could, but I dont think there is any company out there making them. Certainly none in my local grocery store.

Even companies like boars head that I always thought of as more of an upscale meat/cheese provider compared to oscar meyer/kraft/grocery store brand is just terrible.

Look at this article from last year, that should have given them ample time to fix their issues for inspection.

Boar's Head plant linked to deadly outbreak broke food safety rules dozens of times, records show

Records show that a Boar's Head deli meat plant in Virginia tied to a deadly food poisoning outbreak repeatedly violated federal regulations.

apnews.com

Nope:

Boar's Head responded with a vow to never make liverwurst again and claimed to be cleaning up its act—and the Jarratt facility, which was shut down last September amid the outbreak. But, subsequent inspection reports at three of the company's other facilities—ones in Arkansas, Indiana, and a second plant in Virginia—have turned up similar sanitation problems. And some of the alarming inspection reports were as recent as this past June.

https://arstechnica.com/health/2025...oars-head-plants-draw-congressional-scrutiny/


I hate big food.

Geez... Boars Head is supposed to be high quality

Maybe you know this but all processed meat is considered a Group 1 carcinogen. I used to think that deli turkey meat for example was healthy and ate it all the time. Once found out I stopped eating it cold turkey (no pun intended).

I know, I try to reduce process meat, alcohol, sugar, salt, potato chips, and even grilled unprocessed meat with a good char.

Everything I like is bad for me.

How much salt is too much salt? I can't get away from it

Is salt still bad? It's hard to keep up. Tons of products like https://drinklmnt.com/ claiming more salt not less is a good thing. Maybe it depends on how much you sweat during workouts.

The drink mix mentioned above is super good though. The chocolate caramel in coffee is heaven in a mug, especially with a little splash of milk or cream and the the lemonade version on a hot day or after a hard workout is tough to beat. Makes me wonder how good something that tastes so good can really be for you.

The do your own research thread is down the hall buddy... j/k but that was a very interesting article attached the claim. I've always operated under the idea that people who workout often are cleared to consume more sodium, so I've never shied away from salt.

A growing body of research reveals that optimal health outcomes occur at sodium levels 2-3x government recommendations. That’s why we say, More Salt, Not Less.

I also might give that product a try, you sold it well...

I exercise outside in Houston in the summer after work. Needless to say I sweat a lot. I still think I get too much salt through normal diet and wish companies would offer low salt alternatives.

Of course there are some people who do need to supplement their diet with salt and in fact I have read stories of ultra marathoners even dieing due to brain swelling because not enough salt, but situations like that are not the norm.

I would be wary of a company that sells a salt beverage trying to say that medical industry is wrong, instead consume more salt.

 

[Max Power]

Thank you. That was a great explanation.

The thinking part was mostly in regards to the lip service and if these companies care even a little bit about the health of their consumers. There seems to be a market of people who want to eat healthier and have better processed options. End of the day these companies are driven by profits and we'll never know the discussions taking place behind closed doors there, but is the desire to improve their food or just the appearance of it...

I would purchase better processed options if I could, but I dont think there is any company out there making them. Certainly none in my local grocery store.

Even companies like boars head that I always thought of as more of an upscale meat/cheese provider compared to oscar meyer/kraft/grocery store brand is just terrible.

Look at this article from last year, that should have given them ample time to fix their issues for inspection.

Boar's Head plant linked to deadly outbreak broke food safety rules dozens of times, records show

Records show that a Boar's Head deli meat plant in Virginia tied to a deadly food poisoning outbreak repeatedly violated federal regulations.

apnews.com

Nope:

Boar's Head responded with a vow to never make liverwurst again and claimed to be cleaning up its act—and the Jarratt facility, which was shut down last September amid the outbreak. But, subsequent inspection reports at three of the company's other facilities—ones in Arkansas, Indiana, and a second plant in Virginia—have turned up similar sanitation problems. And some of the alarming inspection reports were as recent as this past June.

https://arstechnica.com/health/2025...oars-head-plants-draw-congressional-scrutiny/


I hate big food.

Geez... Boars Head is supposed to be high quality

Maybe you know this but all processed meat is considered a Group 1 carcinogen. I used to think that deli turkey meat for example was healthy and ate it all the time. Once found out I stopped eating it cold turkey (no pun intended).

I know, I try to reduce process meat, alcohol, sugar, salt, potato chips, and even grilled unprocessed meat with a good char.

Everything I like is bad for me.

How much salt is too much salt? I can't get away from it

Is salt still bad? It's hard to keep up. Tons of products like https://drinklmnt.com/ claiming more salt not less is a good thing. Maybe it depends on how much you sweat during workouts.

The drink mix mentioned above is super good though. The chocolate caramel in coffee is heaven in a mug, especially with a little splash of milk or cream and the the lemonade version on a hot day or after a hard workout is tough to beat. Makes me wonder how good something that tastes so good can really be for you.

The do your own research thread is down the hall buddy... j/k but that was a very interesting article attached the claim. I've always operated under the idea that people who workout often are cleared to consume more sodium, so I've never shied away from salt.

A growing body of research reveals that optimal health outcomes occur at sodium levels 2-3x government recommendations. That’s why we say, More Salt, Not Less.

I also might give that product a try, you sold it well...

I exercise outside in Houston in the summer after work. Needless to say I sweat a lot. I still think I get too much salt through normal diet and wish companies would offer low salt alternatives.

Of course there are some people who do need to supplement their diet with salt and in fact I have read stories of ultra marathoners even dieing due to brain swelling because not enough salt, but situations like that are not the norm.

I would be wary of a company that sells a salt beverage trying to say that medical industry is wrong, instead consume more salt.

I have no plans to go crazy with it, but as sodium substitute, I think a drink like that might be more beneficial than salt which is only around 50% sodium.

But I'm also a conspiracy theorist when it comes to FDA/Medical/food pyramid stuff, so the salt angle is more of the same.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

Same reason there’s not many fat people in NYC. You’re outside and walking all the time.

seems like a choice everybody has...I mean, maybe you can't walk in a blizzard, but does all of Nebraska stop walking/exercising for the entire winter?

Also, isn't obesity more about what you eat than exercise?

obesity is about diet AND exercise.

I can't tell if this stuff is trolling or just the standard results from "do your own research" approach we see far to often, so I'll just ask. Which is it?

 

[Joe Bryant]

I can't tell if this stuff is trolling or just the standard results from "do your own research" approach we see far to often, so I'll just ask. Which is it?

Drop the snarky trolling shots.

This has the potential to be a good discussion without that kind of stuff.

 

[Capella]

Same reason there’s not many fat people in NYC. You’re outside and walking all the time.

seems like a choice everybody has...I mean, maybe you can't walk in a blizzard, but does all of Nebraska stop walking/exercising for the entire winter?

Also, isn't obesity more about what you eat than exercise?

obesity is about diet AND exercise.

I can't tell if this stuff is trolling or just the standard results from "do your own research" approach we see far to often, so I'll just ask. Which is it?

I mean I think it’s safe to say if you exercise a decent amount you’re very less likely to be overweight. I don’t even know what you’re upset about.

 

[TripItUp]

You ever been to Nebraska? You can go a long way without anywhere to walk to. Sure you can just walk a long *** country road but it helps to stop and have stuff to look at.

I've been to Omaha several times. In the winter and the summer. I've also been to 43 other states and 51 countries.

My larger point here is that obesity epidemics are obviously cultural to some degree. I can expand on this if people care.