Off-Season Dynasty Buys/Sells--2023 starts on Page 3 (1 Viewer)

[Boston]

There is a big x-factor this offseason, the potential for a QB carousel is unlike any I have ever seen and the fallout from it could have dramatic effects, especially on WRs ...here are the possibilities:

Watson-gotta believe he gets moved as long as his legal issues get squared away

Wilson-just feels like there is a very good chance he is somewhere else next year

Rodgers-who knows...last offseason it felt like he was a goner but from the outside it seems like things have settled down...on another note if the Packers win the Super Bowl would he retire?

Jimmy G-gotta believe the Niners move on from him and hand the keys over to Lance...while not as good as the above names he could be a pretty big upgrade for some teams

Rookie QBs-very different than last year as there doesn't seem like any of them are surefire rookie starters...does that open the door for the Daltons/Winstons of the world and will a team try to trade for an intriguing prospect like Huntley instead of drafting one of the rookies

The miscellaneous-if the Dolphins land Watson what happens with Tua, does he compete with Mills or does he go somewhere else...the Giants have a lot of draft ammo so if they decide to go after someone like Wilson will Jones get a chance to start somewhere else...what the hell is going on with Mayfield...if Rodgers stays will another team take a chance on Love?

Gonna be fascinating to watch this unfold and what it does to the value of a lot of players.  

 

[TampaMike19]

List is filled with obvious and not so obvious. Buy and sell requires a level of discomfort, which should confirm that you are heading in the right direction with the transaction outcome:

Buy

Robert Woods could be potentially cheap given the ACL recovery at his age

Josh Jacobs is still cheaper than his production I think

D'onta Foreman showed enough to maybe get a job somewhere else

Sutton and Patrick due to the contracts

Godwin off of the ACL tear

Allen Robinson if the price is low enough

Evan Engram

Trey Sermon - more of a why the heck not thing if he's still on the 49ers roster

Zay Jones if he's projected a starter

McLaurin and DJ Moore due to talent hopefully and odds are winning out in the long term

Josh Palmer

Freiermuth

James Washington

Sell

Jeudy, due to the Sutton and Patrick contracts

Diggs, due to age, but still very productive

I'd be super hesitant to sell Adams

I'd sell Kupp if the price is right. He's already had an ACL tear and he's older than most for how many years he's played

Brady if the price is right lol but he seems immortal

Mike Williams- fool me many times but nice season statistically 

Ekeler - 26 approaching 27 and is not the biggest or most durable guy

 

[SproutDaddy]

I don't think he's someone to build around.  I much prefer Jeudy if they get a QB.  Patrick will probably have more value than Sutton regardless who the QB is.

Sutton is the most proven and best WR on that teams hands down.  Juedy has yet to do anything but be hyped. 
 

I think people are forgetting his 1000 yd season with Case Keenum. 

 

[jm192]

Is it time to start moving Tyreke Hill and Davante Adams?  They’re 28 and 29 respectively.  Both probably have at least a couple of elite seasons left.  But 30 comes fast, and both probably fetch a ton at this point.  
 

 

[Gally]

Is it time to start moving Tyreke Hill and Davante Adams?  They’re 28 and 29 respectively.  Both probably have at least a couple of elite seasons left.  But 30 comes fast, and both probably fetch a ton at this point.  
 

I would be more inclined to move Tyreek instead of Adams. Hill is built on speed and quickness.  He doesn't have size and isn't a technician.  His elite speed/quickness is why he wins.  That will diminish with age.  

Adams is a technician that runs tremendous routes as to his success.  I would keep him unless someone over pays.

 

[Boston]

Is it time to start moving Tyreke Hill and Davante Adams?  They’re 28 and 29 respectively.  Both probably have at least a couple of elite seasons left.  But 30 comes fast, and both probably fetch a ton at this point.  
 

Just a guess here but I'm not sure someone will give fair-market value for Adams until they know who his QB is...he and Rodgers are attached at the hip and if Rodgers leaves, I find it hard to believe the team he goes to will have the cap space to bring in Adams as well.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Ronald Jones is interesting.  UFA this year and has looked good running it the past two seasons.  Will depend where he lands.

Any opinions on Robby Anderson?

I’ve never been a RA fan.

I’ll like RoJo a lot more if the Bucs let him go & a team that will truly feature him brings him in. I’ve rostered him for years in dynasty & I'm hoping 2022 is the year it finally happen. 

 

[TripItUp]

I’ve never been a RA fan.

I’ll like RoJo a lot more if the Bucs let him go & a team that will truly feature him brings him in. I’ve rostered him for years in dynasty & I'm hoping 2022 is the year it finally happen. 

He is an ufa so I’m thinking he leaves to be the starter somewhere 

 

[zamboni]

I’ve never been a RA fan.

I’ll like RoJo a lot more if the Bucs let him go & a team that will truly feature him brings him in. I’ve rostered him for years in dynasty & I'm hoping 2022 is the year it finally happen. 

He is an ufa so I’m thinking he leaves to be the starter somewhere 

I’m not so sure. There are several other good UFAs out there - Fournette, Penny, Michel, Conner, Edmonds, Gordon, just for beginners. Some will likely be re-signed, but there are only a few openings for those that don’t.

 

[IHEARTFF]

I would be more inclined to move Tyreek instead of Adams. Hill is built on speed and quickness.  He doesn't have size and isn't a technician.  His elite speed/quickness is why he wins.  That will diminish with age.  

Adams is a technician that runs tremendous routes as to his success.  I would keep him unless someone over pays.

Saying Hill is not a technician is selling him short. Yes, he may lose a step but he’ll still be plenty fast and quick and is tied to the best qb he can be. 

 

[zamboni]

Sell

Jeudy, due to the Sutton and Patrick contracts

I’m with you there as a Jeudy owner since the beginning. Was really hoping that Sutton would be signed away, but that obviously didn’t happen. Not sure Jeudy is all he’s been hyped to be and even if he is, it’s a very crowded receiving corps no matter how much of an upgrade they get at QB.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’m not so sure. There are several other good UFAs out there - Fournette, Penny, Michel, Conner, Edmonds, Gordon, just for beginners. Some will likely be re-signed, but there are only a few openings for those that don’t.

I expect the Bucs to re-sign Fournette and roll with LF/Vaughn

RoJo has been treated like crap by Arians since day 1, with a substantially shorter leash & harsher discipline for fumbles than LF, and he has to be sick of it. Either that or he has abused spouse syndrome & feels like no one else will ever love him, and even though Arians is cruel, it's cruelty in the name of love? I dunno - I'm not a psychologist, but it's been a bumpy ride, and I just don't see the Bucs paying RoJo. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He is an ufa so I’m thinking he leaves to be the starter somewhere 

I agree. 

 

[Boston]

I don't ever see RoJo not being in a RBBC...the key will be that unlike Tampa his role in that RBBC will be secure, so you have an idea what you are going to get out of him.

 

[zamboni]

I expect the Bucs to re-sign Fournette and roll with LF/Vaughn

RoJo has been treated like crap by Arians since day 1, with a substantially shorter leash & harsher discipline for fumbles than LF, and he has to be sick of it. Either that or he has abused spouse syndrome & feels like no one else will ever love him, and even though Arians is cruel, it's cruelty in the name of love? I dunno - I'm not a psychologist, but it's been a bumpy ride, and I just don't see the Bucs paying RoJo. 

I agree 100% he’s gone, but my point is I am not sure he’ll be signed to be a starter. If I had to guess, he’ll go somewhere to have a chance  to compete for the job or become part of an RBBC (and screw two different groups of fantasy owners)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I agree 100% he’s gone, but my point is I am not sure he’ll be signed to be a starter. If I had to guess, he’ll go somewhere to have a chance  to compete for the job or become part of an RBBC (and screw two different groups of fantasy owners)

Oh, yeah - and I agree. But I'm hoping it's a more straightforward split where he's the early down / GL back & there's a scat back for 3rd down/breather duties. 

I could see him taking over as a 3-down role, but so many teams just don't do that any more. So yeah - we're on the same page. 

 

[TripItUp]

I expect the Bucs to re-sign Fournette and roll with LF/Vaughn

RoJo has been treated like crap by Arians since day 1, with a substantially shorter leash & harsher discipline for fumbles than LF, and he has to be sick of it. Either that or he has abused spouse syndrome & feels like no one else will ever love him, and even though Arians is cruel, it's cruelty in the name of love? I dunno - I'm not a psychologist, but it's been a bumpy ride, and I just don't see the Bucs paying RoJo. 

Exactly right.  I'll be suprised if RoJo remains in TB.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

Two stashes that I was able to pick up in my dynasty for free two weeks ago:   Gus Edwards & Tyler Johnson

Godwin injury got my attention on Johnson, and AB imploding only helps his cause.   Might even be a tradeable asset if he flashes big in a playoff game.   Gus Bus isn't a spring chicken and I doubt he's 100% coming into week 1, but maybe a guy that emerges late in 2022.   For the price of free, I will take him and see if anything positive happens by August.

Feel like I have to try to cash out on Sony Michel for anything of substance.    Anyone think it's a mistake?   

Can't help but think of rookies that I liked that didn't pop when I see a topic like this.   Have to either explain why I was wrong or inquire on the price.   I absolutely loved Terrace Marshall coming in.   He had a miserable rookie year.   I'm thinking $0.30-0.40 offer on last year's training camp buzz $1.   Would love to scoop up Elijah Moore, but I think he did more than enough that his owners will insist on top dollar.   

 

[SproutDaddy]

From what I’m seeing from most, I’ll definitely be trying to buy low on Michael Thomas and Chase Claypool. 

 

[jm192]

From what I’m seeing from most, I’ll definitely be trying to buy low on Michael Thomas and Chase Claypool. 

I was high on Claypool after his rookie year.  I think he can probably be had a lot cheaper right now.  Good buy low.  

I'm out on Thomas.  He'll be 29 in March.  Has been riddled with injuries the last 2 seasons.  Hasn't played football in over a year.  We'll be like 20 months from his last football when the season starts.  Will he be the same after all the injuries?  

 

[Gally]

I was high on Claypool after his rookie year.  I think he can probably be had a lot cheaper right now.  Good buy low.  

I'm out on Thomas.  He'll be 29 in March.  Has been riddled with injuries the last 2 seasons.  Hasn't played football in over a year.  We'll be like 20 months from his last football when the season starts.  Will he be the same after all the injuries?  

I think Thomas will be a location driven value.  Who will be throwing him the ball?  If he goes somewhere with good QB play he will be worth it.  Even if it's not his peak.  I wouldn't pay anywhere close to top dollar for him but a high discount on a roll of the dice he ends up somewhere nice isn't a bad idea. 

 

[SproutDaddy]

I'm out on Thomas.  He'll be 29 in March.  Has been riddled with injuries the last 2 seasons.  Hasn't played football in over a year.  We'll be like 20 months from his last football when the season starts.  Will he be the same after all the injuries?  

He hasn’t been riddled with injuries.  He’s had 1 injury and was rushed back way too soon by the Saints which led to him needing surgery and in the games he played, he put up better than average numbers.  Most think he’s done due to the same thought process you have which is exaggerated on his injury.  Being out of football for a year doesn’t make someone forget how to play.  That’s why he’s a huge buy low for me.  His last full season he broke records. 

 

[SproutDaddy]

I think Thomas will be a location driven value.  Who will be throwing him the ball?  If he goes somewhere with good QB play he will be worth it.  Even if it's not his peak.  I wouldn't pay anywhere close to top dollar for him but a high discount on a roll of the dice he ends up somewhere nice isn't a bad idea. 

I got him for Devante Parker.  Pretty ecstatic even though I’m in the minority. 

 

[jm192]

I got him for Devante Parker.  Pretty ecstatic even though I’m in the minority. 

I would buy him for this.  But I don't think most owners are selling at that price. 

 

[Gally]

I got him for Devante Parker.  Pretty ecstatic even though I’m in the minority. 

Could be bad if Watson goes to Miami and Thomas goes somewhere unfavorable.  

 

[SproutDaddy]

Could be bad if Watson goes to Miami and Thomas goes somewhere unfavorable.  

Parker has been a disappointment since entering the league and Thomas is a ppr machine.  No comparison imo regardless of the QB.  I also don’t think Thomas is going anywhere and is under contract.  I know I’m in the minority. 

 

[jm192]

He hasn’t been riddled with injuries.  He’s had 1 injury and was rushed back way too soon by the Saints which led to him needing surgery and in the games he played, he put up better than average numbers.  Most think he’s done due to the same thought process you have which is exaggerated on his injury.  Being out of football for a year doesn’t make someone forget how to play.  That’s why he’s a huge buy low for me.  His last full season he broke records. 

He had a "setback" that led to him missing the entirety of the 2021 season.  I always assumed setback meant he aggravated the injury, but maybe not.  

And I don't know that I feel any better at the thought "the Saints rushed him back."  Regardless of the cause--we're talking about a guy who has played 7 games in 2 seasons.  I don't think he's going to have forgotten how to play football.  I think Jerry Rice still knows how to play football.  I think Michael Jordan still knows how to play basketball.  I just think that after only playing 7 games in 2 seasons for dealing with an injury--I'm not feeling 100% confident he's going to be the same guy he was.  Maybe he will be.  But I'm not feeling super confident in that.  

But let's say he is.  And I'm wrong on him being less than he was physically.  I think it's fair to say the Saints don't have the most sound QB situation.  Maybe Winston is back healthy and he's certainly been good enough to make fantasy relevant receivers in the past.  But it's another piece to worry about.  

All said and done, if everything works and he has a stud season--awesome.  But now you've got a 30 year old receiver that you probably can't ever get rid of.  

You posted in a later post that you got him for Davante Parker.  I don't like Parker at all, and think that's an amazing buy low.  Great job.  You'd be crazy not to do that.  I don't think most MT owners are letting him go anywhere near that cheap.  

 

[zamboni]

I think Thomas will be a location driven value.  Who will be throwing him the ball?  If he goes somewhere with good QB play he will be worth it.  Even if it's not his peak.  I wouldn't pay anywhere close to top dollar for him but a high discount on a roll of the dice he ends up somewhere nice isn't a bad idea. 

I got him for Devante Parker.  Pretty ecstatic even though I’m in the minority. 

Think you got a great deal. There is no shortage of Devante Parkers out there. 

 

[Gally]

Parker has been a disappointment since entering the league and Thomas is a ppr machine.  No comparison imo regardless of the QB.  I also don’t think Thomas is going anywhere and is under contract.  I know I’m in the minority. 

When Parker has had decent QB play he was very good (2019 with 1200 yds and 9 TD's).  He has also had injuries that have slowed him down which is of course a potential negative to his overall value.  Talent wise he has been good when on the field with decent QB's.  

 

[Mimo]

James Washington and Corey Davis

 

[JohnnyU]

Two stashes that I was able to pick up in my dynasty for free two weeks ago:   Gus Edwards & Tyler Johnson

Godwin injury got my attention on Johnson, and AB imploding only helps his cause.   Might even be a tradeable asset if he flashes big in a playoff game.   Gus Bus isn't a spring chicken and I doubt he's 100% coming into week 1, but maybe a guy that emerges late in 2022.   For the price of free, I will take him and see if anything positive happens by August.

Feel like I have to try to cash out on Sony Michel for anything of substance.    Anyone think it's a mistake?   

Can't help but think of rookies that I liked that didn't pop when I see a topic like this.   Have to either explain why I was wrong or inquire on the price.   I absolutely loved Terrace Marshall coming in.   He had a miserable rookie year.   I'm thinking $0.30-0.40 offer on last year's training camp buzz $1.   Would love to scoop up Elijah Moore, but I think he did more than enough that his owners will insist on top dollar.   

I wouldn’t be shocked if Jaleon Darden becomes more valuable than Tyler Johnson.

 

[JohnnyU]

James Washington and Corey Davis

The days of hoping Washington will become fantasy relevant have come and gone.  He’s waiver wire material and if picked up, a roster clogger.

 

[SproutDaddy]

The days of hoping Washington will become fantasy relevant have come and gone.  He’s waiver wire material and if picked up, a roster clogger.

Why?  He’s been buried on 1 depth chart for what…..4 years?

 

[-OZ-]

Robert Woods could be potentially cheap given the ACL recovery at his age

Sell

I'd be super hesitant to sell Adams

I'd sell Kupp if the price is right. He's already had an ACL tear and he's older than most for how many years he's played

i have woods and kupp on one team where my receivers are strong. While I think I’d rather take woods, price definitely matters. But Kupp still seems like nobody is giving much for him. 
 

i have Adams on a team where I should rebuild. Price is hard to set especially as this league tends to overvalue youth imo.  I’d think he’s worth a high and mid first at least but I don’t know if I’d be able to get that. 

 

[Todem]

When Parker has had decent QB play he was very good (2019 with 1200 yds and 9 TD's).  He has also had injuries that have slowed him down which is of course a potential negative to his overall value.  Talent wise he has been good when on the field with decent QB's.  

When is he on the field? That guy is a grade A bum Gally. He has had one true productive season and had been in the trainers room the other 4 seasons.

He stinks because he can’t stay on the field and always has something bothering him. A soft tissue nightmare.

Thomas is a bonafide proven stud.

I am selling:

Lamar Jackson

Dalvin Cook

Darren Waller

 

[JohnnyU]

Why?  He’s been buried on 1 depth chart for what…..4 years?

He buried himself by not being good enough.  He was there first.

 

[Boston]

A few potential buys:

Damien Harris-everyone knows the headaches that come with owning a Patriot RB which is why the price to obtain Harris might be unusually low for a 24-year-old RB with 14 TDs...this kid can play, and he is a great RB to add to your stable as long as you keep expectations realistic.

Tony Pollard-Zeke is adding mileage but he's not going anywhere with that contract so there is the chance the Pollard Owner (if it's not the Zeke Owner) may be willing to cash out...this kid could be a big-time fantasy RB if he starts getting more touches.

JD McKissic-he has quietly been very effective the past two years...he will be a UFA and it will be interesting to see where he ends up...this is not a flashy name, but you can probably get him without giving up much and if you can get another year or two like the past two he will be a nice end-of-bench depth RB.

Kadarius Toney-it was one thing after another for this kid all season long...he was very good at giving his Owner's headaches...that being said there is potential for him to be a big time WR...this kid has sick speed and athleticism, and he looks like he knows how to play WR better than I thought he would at this point in his career...he probably won't come cheap but if he can figure it out he could be well worth it...also, with two high picks the Giants are in a position to make a run at a QB like Wilson and if that happens that takes things to another level.

Alen Robinson-what a horrific year...between that and his age starting to creep up there he could be pretty cheap...gotta believe he is signing with another team and if it is the right spot, he could be good for a couple more quality years...since he has made big $ and has been on some bad teams the hope is he's more concerned about fit then $.

Cole Kmet-been in the league two years but he will only be 23 in March and he seemed like he made some real progress this year...with Fields in the fold and the Bears having limited weapons he could be poised to make a leap next year.

Pat Freiermuth-this kid is legit...he will absolutely not come cheap, but he is only going to get better so now is the time to make a play for him...if you get him your TE position will be locked down for a long time.

Mac Jones-this is for Superflex and 2 QBs...after a few more years in the league and with the addition of some more weapons I fully expect him to throw 30+ TDs a year for a long time. 

 

[Tau837]

He is an ufa so I’m thinking he leaves to be the starter somewhere 

I assume you are talking about Rojo. Which teams do you reasonably think would sign him to be their RB1 (assuming that is what you are saying)?

 

[opensourcebeer]

Sells

Hollywood Brown - I think he will lose targets as Bateman gets more playing time with Jackson. 

Mike Williams - I don't think he'll resign with the Chargers and I think he regresses badly with a big contract and potentially a worse QB and offensive scheme.

Buys

Gabe Davis - Sure, the Bills might bring in someone via FA or the draft, but they really should be spending that money/draft capital on both sides of their line IMO.

 

[Ben & Jerry's]

Buy:

Javonte Williams 

Nico Collins 

Ashton Dulin 

Sell:

Michael Pittman 

Lamar Jackson

Joe Mixon

 

[rockaction]

I’ve never been a RA fan

This hurts, somehow. Like, deep down. Leave for a few days and this is what I come back to? 

I just wanted some pub, some dap, and you gotta come like this. 



Damn, man. 

-The real RA

 

[Dacomish]

I sold S.Barkley, D.Hopkins and J.Conner in 3 different deals.....netted 1.03/1.05/1.08 and AJ Dillion for my efforts - I feel like a massive weight lifted from around my neck. 

 

[Dacomish]

He hasn’t been riddled with injuries.  He’s had 1 injury and was rushed back way too soon by the Saints which led to him needing surgery and in the games he played, he put up better than average numbers.  Most think he’s done due to the same thought process you have which is exaggerated on his injury.  Being out of football for a year doesn’t make someone forget how to play.  That’s why he’s a huge buy low for me.  His last full season he broke records. 

It's not just the injury that would concern me....as much as the off-field issues: people seem to forget he decked a teammate, got suspended a game for it by the saints, and more recently Payton was pissed at him over his management of the latest injury I remember reading something about him delaying surgery until training camp despite the team asking him to do it in like Feb. Not to mention how many Twitter tirades has he gone into over various things. I kinda feel like he has burned too many bridges there in NO and he may never play for them again, and get traded. What he can bring to the table trade wise with his Diva persona is going to be interesting in that case. 

I sold him mid-season 2020 for AJ Brown and a 1st and never felt better. 

 

[rockaction]

AJ Dillion for my efforts

A dillion kudos to you, then. 

Honestly, too bad you couldn't use those picks in '23. 

 

[Dacomish]

A dillion kudos to you, then. 

Honestly, too bad you couldn't use those picks in '23. 

Yea I agree but Would a few of those even be worth a 1st in 23.....I'll take one of the big 3 RB's at 1.03 and 2 of the top 5 WR's with the other 2 picks so decently happy with that. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This hurts, somehow. Like, deep down. Leave for a few days and this is what I come back to? 

I just wanted some pub, some dap, and you gotta come like this. 



Damn, man. 

-The real RA

O-Ver-Rat-Ed

(clap clap, clap clap clap!)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I sold S.Barkley, D.Hopkins and J.Conner in 3 different deals.....netted 1.03/1.05/1.08 and AJ Dillion for my efforts - I feel like a massive weight lifted from around my neck. 

I don’t mind parting with those 3, and you got nice value there overall. Maybe you could have done slightly better, but then you also coulda done a heck of a lot worse, so….nice deal(s).

 

[SproutDaddy]

It's not just the injury that would concern me....as much as the off-field issues: people seem to forget he decked a teammate, got suspended a game for it by the saints, and more recently Payton was pissed at him over his management of the latest injury I remember reading something about him delaying surgery until training camp despite the team asking him to do it in like Feb. Not to mention how many Twitter tirades has he gone into over various things. I kinda feel like he has burned too many bridges there in NO and he may never play for them again, and get traded. What he can bring to the table trade wise with his Diva persona is going to be interesting in that case. 

I sold him mid-season 2020 for AJ Brown and a 1st and never felt better. 

As a Saints fan who’s followed the situation closer than most, a lot of this is completely blown out of proportion and some of this isn’t even true.  I guess we’ll see what happens. 

 

[joey]

Sell:

Michael Pittman 

I was going to question this one as a Pittman owner who’s happy with his progress and becoming the center piece of their passing game, but then I checked the season ppg stats and his targets and realized he’s top 35-ish in ppg and top 28 or so in targets. So my perception of him is obviously higher than reality, so you’re probably right that you could likely sell him for more than he’s actually worth. Interesting…

 

[Birdie048]

Sell:

Michael Pittman 

Lamar Jackson

Joe Mixon

I was going to question this one as a Pittman owner who’s happy with his progress and becoming the center piece of their passing game, but then I checked the season ppg stats and his targets and realized he’s top 35-ish in ppg and top 28 or so in targets. So my perception of him is obviously higher than reality, so you’re probably right that you could likely sell him for more than he’s actually worth. Interesting…

I agree.  Time to move Pittman.  I think his ceiling is WR3 range.  They are a dime a dozen.  His value is high and people are buying.  Cash in

Recently sold Pittman and $15 BB (from $200) for 2023 1st and Chubba Hubbard (I own CMC)