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They didn't run the exact same offensive concepts against Cleveland. They ran a ton of play-action, but it was all out of "traditional" formations. I believe they ran the pistol formation once and just did a straight handoff; no read option. What they ran against Cleveland was classic Shanahan (both Mike and Kyle). It was the stretch run plays and play action. What they run with Griffin is different.
Regardless of who you believe should win rookie of the year, what dgreen said is correct. The offense was quite different the game Cousins started at QB for the Redskins.
Not according to my recollection or that of Greg Cosell. Pistol was definitely incorporated. I didn't watch that game on the coaches tape however.ETA: just rewatched it and while they didn't run as much pistol they did run the same passing game, just with Cousins under center more often in the straight I. Same quick hitting reads and routes though, and same concepts.Regardless of who you believe should win rookie of the year, what dgreen said is correct. The offense was quite different the game Cousins started at QB for the Redskins.
I bet Morris wins for Week 17.
Only one snap in pistol for Cousins. So if you are saying passing and running the ball are the same concepts you are correct. Otherwise, it was pretty much a completely different gameplan for Cousins.Not according to my recollection or that of Greg Cosell. Pistol was definitely incorporated. I didn't watch that game on the coaches tape however.ETA: just rewatched it and while they didn't run as much pistol they did run the same passing game, just with Cousins under center more often in the straight I. Same quick hitting reads and routes though, and same concepts.Regardless of who you believe should win rookie of the year, what dgreen said is correct. The offense was quite different the game Cousins started at QB for the Redskins.
Why do you put Morris ahead of Martin when D-Mart has 200 more yards?
I don't know who Greg Cosell is, but he is about as wrong as wrong can be on this subject.Only one snap in pistol for Cousins. So if you are saying passing and running the ball are the same concepts you are correct. Otherwise, it was pretty much a completely different gameplan for Cousins.Not according to my recollection or that of Greg Cosell. Pistol was definitely incorporated. I didn't watch that game on the coaches tape however.ETA: just rewatched it and while they didn't run as much pistol they did run the same passing game, just with Cousins under center more often in the straight I. Same quick hitting reads and routes though, and same concepts.Regardless of who you believe should win rookie of the year, what dgreen said is correct. The offense was quite different the game Cousins started at QB for the Redskins.
What about wins? RGIII only had 8. I have heard multiple media type (that get votes) state wins as why Luck should be getting votes... yet they seem to ignore the lack of wins when it comes to RGIII.... and tend to ignore that Wilson is the total package...stats and wins.
Seattle 2011: 7-9Seattle 2012: 11-5improvement under Wilson: 4 winsWashington 2011: 5-11Washington 2012: 10-6improvement under Griffin: 5 winsDivision titles: Griffin 1, Wilson 0
I have no horse in this race, but you're really going to leave Luck out of that?
I certainly shouldn't have. He blows them both away.Colts 2011: 2-14Colts 2012: 11-5I don't agree with wins is the ultimate measure of Rookie of the Year. But if it is, as scientist says, then Luck is the hands-down ROY.
Yep. And RGIII was chosen as a captain by his teammates at the bye when the team was 3-6 and then led them to a 7 game win streak. Wilson is great and came on strong in the second half of the season, but RGIII has been getting it done all season while the Redskins found their footing with an injury depleted defense and receiving corps and a sixth round rookie running back (who turned out to be a monster).It's RGIII.Led the league in yards per attempt in passing and rushing. Has that ever been done before?4000+ yards, 27 TDS vs 7 TO's. Led all rookies in passer rating, completion percentage, fewest INTs and espn's mythical QBR. Broke the rookie QB rushing record to boot.Oh and btw, only rookie to lead his team to a division title.
Technically Cousins saved that Ravens game for a W and got the W in the Browns gameI still think its RG3 hands down though
I chuckled.
Totally agree that RGIII was the best Offensive rookie player in the league the first half of the season. In the second half it's been Wilson by just about any measure. If Griffin didn't miss time and wasn't hindered these last two games I'd say he may have matched Wilson's numbers, but as it turns out he was the second most productive rookie on his own offense down the stretch.ETA: also completely agree on the wins year over year comparison. Silly exercise.
At their best, Griffin was the most dominant. I'd like to hear the voters' reasoning though.
This just isn't true; Wilson dominated better competition. Congrats to RGIII. Looks like Wilson won a consolation prize with the NFL.com ROY.
I believe it is true, Seahawks fan.
Nope. Again with the leaps of logic. I'm a Cowboys fan, sad to say.
Curious to know if you thought Luck was good enough for a second place finish, RN.
Interesting.I see you've posted in countless Seahawks threads and one Dallas thread.
I'm just giving you a hard time.Honestly, these guys could have finished 1-2-3 in any order and I really wouldn't have a huge beef with it.
I live near Seattle and go to their games and practices on occasion. This year I only made it to three games, one of which was the Cowboys debacle. Being a Raiders fan you, of all fan base members, should be able to empathize with a Cowboys fan. Not that I believe in Granfalloonery or suffer from homerism on any level, mind you. The Cowboys as a franchise suck, of that there is little doubt.By the bye, I also posted early in the season that Russell Wilson had little chance of outperforming Luck and that Luck was destined to be the best rookie QB ever. I was wrong.
