The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
Exactly - putting Harris and Haynesworth in the middle would be pretty darn frightening and make the rest of the defense's job that much easier. But I expect Tennessee to get a deal done with Albert.
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Rounders
Footballguy
M.Brown & M.Booker gone, and Tait considers retirement
Link > http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...0,4083164.story
IMO, losing Tait will really hurt this line and Matt Forte. While he wasn't great, he was a big time leader of the unit and really solidified the group. The Bears really need Chris Williams, last years #1 pick, to really step up.
Link > http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...0,4083164.story
IMO, losing Tait will really hurt this line and Matt Forte. While he wasn't great, he was a big time leader of the unit and really solidified the group. The Bears really need Chris Williams, last years #1 pick, to really step up.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I'm not surprised by any of this. The Bear's age had to show eventually and they did little to prepare for it. We need help at almost every position. ah well.
Max Power
Footballguy
I was a little suprised Booker didn't have anything left in the tank this last year and The Mike Brown we just cut hasn't been the Mike Brown we loved for a few years now.I Don't have the contract numbers handy, but I think Tait is making a decent amount. If he does retire, I hope the Bears make a move for OT Gross to replace him.
William Munny
Footballguy
Freakin Angelo. Most of the fans were able to see the problems we were headed for on the o-line, but this idiot couldnt?
He waited too long to wake up
He waited too long to wake up
Max Power
Footballguy
wanted to get the board's thoughts on Matt Sanchez. He seems to be a popular Bears pick in mock drafts recently.
Who would like this pick and who wouldn't? Why / why not?
Personally I haven't seen a lot of the kid, but my feeling is that the Bears should look somewhere else in rd 1. We still have holes for the 09 season. Drafting a kid who might not see PT for a year or two doesn't sound like a legit idea with an aging D. How are Url, Tillman, Ogun, and Alex Brown going to look heading into 2011?
I also think Sanchez is getting a little too much hype because of how weak the QB class is. After the top 2, no one else looks special at this point.
Who would like this pick and who wouldn't? Why / why not?
Personally I haven't seen a lot of the kid, but my feeling is that the Bears should look somewhere else in rd 1. We still have holes for the 09 season. Drafting a kid who might not see PT for a year or two doesn't sound like a legit idea with an aging D. How are Url, Tillman, Ogun, and Alex Brown going to look heading into 2011?
I also think Sanchez is getting a little too much hype because of how weak the QB class is. After the top 2, no one else looks special at this point.
William Munny
Footballguy
No interest. One year starter, never blew me away. This team has so many holes, especially on D and the o-line, cant afford to gamble on a qb with only one years worth of starting experience.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I may be in the minority here but I'm tired of our offense sucking for the last 100 years. Forget the damn defense for once and go after offense. If the offense was just average, the defense would be fine. Sick of this crap.
Max Power
Footballguy
I really get the feeling that JA and Lovie aren't seeing eye to eye on the direction of this team.Some names I have seen mentioned in connection to the Bears were Fred Taylor, Jeff Garcia, and Chris Simms. I'd like to see Simms brought in. He will be a solid #2 and does have a chance to unseat Orton. I was hoping to find out who (OTs) the Bears were showing intrest in at the combine. Any word?
William Munny
Footballguy
Think I read they had a good meeting with Oher
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
Actually, it's Mark Sanchez. I think he's a talented QB, but I don't think the Bears would be best served by going after him in Round 1. Orton played decently before he got hurt (yes, he's still got accuracy problems and I think he played somewhat close to his ceiling prior to the ankle injury) and if the Bears signed a #2 like Chris Simms, I think they would be okay there. They still have so many other areas to address that are more pressing such as the offensive line, improving the pass rush, and upgrading the receiving corps that drafting Sanchez, who isn't proven, would be frivolous. Besides, I think there will be players available when the Bears pick in the first round who will help them address one of those problems. Of course, that would depend on Angelo not screwing it up and getting someone who will be out the entire season. If they drafted Sanchez, you figure he won't really be a player until 2011 at there's really no guarantee he'll be a franchise QB (not that there is with Stafford either). I'd rather the Bears go in another direction in the first round. Next year's draft seems to have more quality QB's available.ETA: For me a bigger question seems to be, given the Bears' need for a receiver, what would you do if Crabtree makes it to them?
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I am with you flap. I have no idea what they are going to do at #18. I am tired of seeing Orton on the field, but I understand they need help in a lot of places. A lot of what I have read from Bears insiders are that they do not plan on bringing in another Qb via free agency. Maybe get the O-Line secured this year, get a WR or two and fill some other holes. Then next year go for the QB? I don't know, but Bears are NOT winning a super bowl with Orton at the helm.I may be in the minority here but I'm tired of our offense sucking for the last 100 years. Forget the damn defense for once and go after offense. If the offense was just average, the defense would be fine. Sick of this crap.
MrSoup
Footballguy
Yes, our defensive line play last year was very poor, and I point some of that blame to Tommie Harris. He got paid, and he didn't put up. Honestly, I love Tommie, being and OU and Bears fan, but man, he under-performed terribly last year. I honestly believe Idonije could become an excellent starting interior lineman, and I just wish they would give him more oppurtunities. He's got massive bear paws that swat down any pass that comes near him.
On to Vasher and Tillman. Does anybody honestly believe these two can still get away with man-to-man coverage. Because I sure don't. We were playing opposing WR's soft last year, week after week. Vasher and Tillman would give 5-10 yards off the line on almost every damn play. Chicago media wants to preach how Peanut Tillman is such a physical, shut-down corner, but until they starting jamming WR's at the line, we won't know will we. The same can be said for Vasher, if he can stay healthy. Week 17 last year, all we had to do was win and we were in the playoffs. But, for the entire six days before that game, I was preaching how the Bears had nobody to shut-down Andre Johnson, and what did Andre do? Only had 10 catches for 148 yards and 2 TDs.
The NFL is becoming a passing league, and what are the Bears going to do when we they have a secondary that can stop the pass? You got it! Lose! Because hey, we play in the same division as Calvin Johnson and Greg Jennings and Aaron Rodgers, and even Berrian made us look like fools last year. Get with the times Bears and start earning your paychecks.
On to Vasher and Tillman. Does anybody honestly believe these two can still get away with man-to-man coverage. Because I sure don't. We were playing opposing WR's soft last year, week after week. Vasher and Tillman would give 5-10 yards off the line on almost every damn play. Chicago media wants to preach how Peanut Tillman is such a physical, shut-down corner, but until they starting jamming WR's at the line, we won't know will we. The same can be said for Vasher, if he can stay healthy. Week 17 last year, all we had to do was win and we were in the playoffs. But, for the entire six days before that game, I was preaching how the Bears had nobody to shut-down Andre Johnson, and what did Andre do? Only had 10 catches for 148 yards and 2 TDs.
The NFL is becoming a passing league, and what are the Bears going to do when we they have a secondary that can stop the pass? You got it! Lose! Because hey, we play in the same division as Calvin Johnson and Greg Jennings and Aaron Rodgers, and even Berrian made us look like fools last year. Get with the times Bears and start earning your paychecks.
William Munny
Footballguy
Seriously, the best way to address these problems is to get consistent pressure on the qb. We didnt get ANY pressure on the qb and that cant happen again.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
It does not matter how good your CB's are if you can not get pressure on the QB. I am still waiting for someone to find Mark Anderson's body floating in the Lake because no one has seen the guy since 2006. I do not know what happened to Brown and Ogunleye last year but they were not getting the job done. I do not think they have a real DT to put next to Harris and the guy can not do it all by himself.
Rounders
Footballguy
Brown and Ogun are above average players at best. Harris is good but he's always double teamed.Bottom line is the Bears need a lot of help along both sides of the line. I really hope that Angelo can do something about it, or else I see a 6-10 season on our hands and that means it will be time to clean house.
William Munny
Footballguy
Ok, first on Angelo's agenda......Call Lav Coles' agent asap
az_prof
Footballguy
This article from Sun Times makes it sound like Angelo is planning on Earl Bennett starting across from Devin Hester next fall, unless the perfect WR falls into their lap.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/be...-bear22.article
"But Angelo attempted to minimize the needs at receiver and safety while not ignoring an obvious problem at offensive tackle: John Tait is expected to retire, leaving the Bears with one tackle (Chris Williams) under contract with NFL experience and none with an NFL start.
If Earl Bennett can become the next Marty Booker with Booker turning into the latest Bobby Engram, well, maybe the situation at receiver isn't as dire as it appears. Angelo alluded to the decision he made shortly after arriving in 2001 to get rid of the veteran Engram to give Booker room to flourish. It worked, with Booker catching 100 passes.
Booker was cut after his second stint with the Bears, and now Bennett, the third-round pick from 2008 who didn't catch a pass as a rookie, has nothing in his path to a starting job across from Devin Hester -- who's being labeled as a No. 1 receiver whether he's ready for that role or not.
''I like what we have [at receiver],'' Angelo said. ''They need to continue to develop. But again, our play starts with our lines. I don't want to get so focused on the receiver position -- although, yes, we do need to look at the receiver position, as well. And that's why I say we can go a lot of ways on draft day. And that's the silver lining because it will allow us to create more options and allow us then to get the best players at those particular rounds.''"
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/be...-bear22.article
"But Angelo attempted to minimize the needs at receiver and safety while not ignoring an obvious problem at offensive tackle: John Tait is expected to retire, leaving the Bears with one tackle (Chris Williams) under contract with NFL experience and none with an NFL start.
If Earl Bennett can become the next Marty Booker with Booker turning into the latest Bobby Engram, well, maybe the situation at receiver isn't as dire as it appears. Angelo alluded to the decision he made shortly after arriving in 2001 to get rid of the veteran Engram to give Booker room to flourish. It worked, with Booker catching 100 passes.
Booker was cut after his second stint with the Bears, and now Bennett, the third-round pick from 2008 who didn't catch a pass as a rookie, has nothing in his path to a starting job across from Devin Hester -- who's being labeled as a No. 1 receiver whether he's ready for that role or not.
''I like what we have [at receiver],'' Angelo said. ''They need to continue to develop. But again, our play starts with our lines. I don't want to get so focused on the receiver position -- although, yes, we do need to look at the receiver position, as well. And that's why I say we can go a lot of ways on draft day. And that's the silver lining because it will allow us to create more options and allow us then to get the best players at those particular rounds.''"
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Yea, the O-line and D-line are without doubt the biggest areas of concern for the Bears and yes that is over QB and WR.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
At Hester being #1. What else do you expect Angelo to say of their failed experiment at WR and a young kid that has done nothing yet as their only real WR's currently on roster?
flapgreen
Footballguy
As expected going into the offseason, the Bears are not mentioned with any of the top free agents available. Not one TIME!!! The widereceiver position my be not that dire? WTF!!! Try to pick up a top FA for once on my lifetime BEARS. Where the hell do you spend all of your money? I sure isn't on good players. It seems like you're always avoiding the big names, so you don't have to pay them. If you're going to handle things this way, you better damn well make sure you're getting good value with your cost cutting ways. The trouble is: YOU RARELY DO!!! Go out and spend some money on a top free agent for once and keep from being the historic failure the organization is looked upon as over recent years. Don't you want to win? I wonder sometimes. It's not that hard to see what we need. GO GET IT YOU BUFFONS. Give us a reason to want to support you for another year mediocrity where you did nothing to help the team get better again. Just stuck with the same guys, hoping they would continue to get better by themselves and have a great season, even though they sucked it up last year and the many years/decades before that, excluding the SB year. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? PLEASE MAKE SOME MOVES AND HELP THIS TEAM!!!
two_dollars
Footballguy
Hester is a #1 returner.. not a #1 reciever. Let the kid shine and do what you paid him to do. Clearly he had more of an impact on the return game than he did playing WR.
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Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Bears sign Frank Omilaye; good OT depth. Not sure if this means St Clair is coming back or not.
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune....nk-omiyale.html
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune....nk-omiyale.html
William Munny
Footballguy
Rounders
Footballguy
More like a great big THUD!The Bears front office is a bunch of turd burglars!Quite the splash
Sometimes I wonder why I'm a Bears fan. Angelo knows he has the potential to lose 2 tackles this year, and then goes out and signs a lineman who played tackle and tells him he wants him to compete at guard? WTF Angelo.....WTF.
William Munny
Footballguy
flapgreen
Footballguy
I'm glad Angelo didn't "jump to spend" a potential 2nd round pick for a couple guys like Cassell and Vrabel. I'm more than happy with what we have. We just need to give them a little time to grow into the great players they can be.
Eat poop, Jerry. 
Eat poop, Jerry.
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William Munny
Footballguy
Vrable?VRABEL???We have HUNTER EFFIN HILLENMEYER AND NICK ROACH BRO!!!I'm glad Angelo didn't "jump to spend" a potential 2nd round pick for a couple guys like Cassell and Vrabel. I'm more than happy with what we have. We just need to give them a little time to grow into the great players they can be. Eat poop, Jerry.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Hunter is our linbacker. Next questionVrable?VRABEL???I'm glad Angelo didn't "jump to spend" a potential 2nd round pick for a couple guys like Cassell and Vrabel. I'm more than happy with what we have. We just need to give them a little time to grow into the great players they can be.
Eat poop, Jerry.
We have HUNTER EFFIN HILLENMEYER AND NICK ROACH BRO!!!
Max Power
Footballguy
Yeah, but there is no way the Bears could finish 4th...
I still think this offseason can be saved.Bears need to bring in someone who can start at OT. Looking at the FA list, I could live with Willis, Barnes or Tra Thomas for the right price. Still need to sign a #2 QB. Garcia, Leftwich, whoever. Just sign someone.There are still a couple decent Safetys on the Market. James Sanders, D Landry and Sean Jones.I think Coles would fill the WR need nicely.Look for a #2 RB. I've lost faith in Wolfe and while I still like Peterson, that spot needs improvement.I'm not mentioning DL because I think Bears will look there in rd 1 of the Draft. I also think Marinelli will do a good job with the current guys.
Max Power
Footballguy
I Think I need to go walk this article off. If the Bears don't make the playoffs this year, I hope we send JA packing. Enough with this crap.General manager Jerry Angelo and coach Lovie Smith at last weekend's NFL scouting combine would not specify which positions will become major priorities during free agency, but they acknowledged holes in the roster.
It's how the Bears plan to fill the holes that's the issue.
"Me personally, it's hard for me to go into an offseason and be relying on the free agent marketplace," Angelo said.But expecting second stringers with no starting experience to step up is ok?
Angelo suggested the Bears could wait a while in free agency for the right players rather than get into bidding wars because the talent pool is usually diluted.I'm guessing right is codeword for cheap. Jerry, there is a reason these players are cheap.
"I just feel like you have to be patient in free agency," he said. "It's not nirvana."
With the Bears losing players at offensive tackle, quarterback, running back and safety -- and with talent lacking at defensive end and wide receiver -- the Bears will have to look at some free agents. The biggest loss is starting right tackle John Tait, who informed the team he is retiring after 10 NFL seasons. Tait has not filed retirement papers with the league yet.
"Of course, I tried to talk him out of it," Smith said. "But for the guys that know John, you know that he doesn't come to decisions overnight. He put a little bit of thought into it."
The Bears drafted tackle Chris Williams in the first round last year, but the Vanderbilt product suffered a back injury and got in only a handful of plays last season. You mean that same back injury every other team red flagged?
He moves to starting left tackle, but their other tackle, John St. Clair, is an unrestricted free agent. St. Clair could play guard or right tackle if he returns to Chicago, and Angelo said talks have been ongoing with agent Ben Dogra. Is it me or should the Bears just let this guy walk? St Clair gave up the third most sacks in the NFL last year. He is going to be 32 and has no upside. Only JA could screw up a situation so bad that we almost NEED to bring this guy back.
The Bears have decided not to extend contracts to free-agent quarterback Rex Grossman and safety Mike Brown. Inexperienced Caleb Haney is currently the backup quarterback behind starter Kyle Orton, while the team looks thin at safety.
"We have (Craig) Stelz, so to say (safety) is a need is premature," Angelo said, referring to the second-year safety from LSU. "We do have somebody. I thought he did a nice job last year." Stelz is a backup, Don't BS us.
One option will not be the much-rumored move of cornerback Charles Tillman to free safety as a replacement for the often-injured Brown. "He's our No. 1 corner and we're going to move him to free safety?" Smith said of Tillman.
"Who came up with that anyway? Who in the Chicago media started that? Charles Tillman is a cornerback for us," said Smith.
The focus at quarterback is expected to be for a backup, since Angelo has backed off earlier critical statements of Orton.
"When you bring somebody in from the outside to create competition, to have potentially co-starters, that takes away (practice time) from both guys, so that hurts the progress potentially of both players," Angelo said. "It certainly doesn't do anything for those backup-type guys that you'd like to continue to develop."
The Bears also need another wide receiver to complement Devin Hester, who had 51 catches in his first full season at the position, and a pass rush end after finishing tied for 22nd with 28 sacks last season.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Playoffs? Playoffs? We just want to win another gameI Think I need to go walk this article off. If the Bears don't make the playoffs this year, I hope we send JA packing. Enough with this crap.General manager Jerry Angelo and coach Lovie Smith at last weekend's NFL scouting combine would not specify which positions will become major priorities during free agency, but they acknowledged holes in the roster.
It's how the Bears plan to fill the holes that's the issue.
"Me personally, it's hard for me to go into an offseason and be relying on the free agent marketplace," Angelo said.
Angelo suggested the Bears could wait a while in free agency for the right players rather than get into bidding wars because the talent pool is usually diluted.
"I just feel like you have to be patient in free agency," he said. "It's not nirvana."
With the Bears losing players at offensive tackle, quarterback, running back and safety -- and with talent lacking at defensive end and wide receiver -- the Bears will have to look at some free agents. The biggest loss is starting right tackle John Tait, who informed the team he is retiring after 10 NFL seasons. Tait has not filed retirement papers with the league yet.
"Of course, I tried to talk him out of it," Smith said. "But for the guys that know John, you know that he doesn't come to decisions overnight. He put a little bit of thought into it."
The Bears drafted tackle Chris Williams in the first round last year, but the Vanderbilt product suffered a back injury and got in only a handful of plays last season. You mean that same back injury every other team red flagged?
He moves to starting left tackle, but their other tackle, John St. Clair, is an unrestricted free agent. St. Clair could play guard or right tackle if he returns to Chicago, and Angelo said talks have been ongoing with agent Ben Dogra. Is it me or should the Bears just let this guy walk? St Clair gave up the third most sacks in the NFL last year. He is going to be 32 and has no upside. Only JA could screw up a situation so bad that we almost NEED to bring this guy back.
The Bears have decided not to extend contracts to free-agent quarterback Rex Grossman and safety Mike Brown. Inexperienced Caleb Haney is currently the backup quarterback behind starter Kyle Orton, while the team looks thin at safety.
"We have (Craig) Stelz, so to say (safety) is a need is premature," Angelo said, referring to the second-year safety from LSU. "We do have somebody. I thought he did a nice job last year." Stelz is a backup, Don't BS us.
One option will not be the much-rumored move of cornerback Charles Tillman to free safety as a replacement for the often-injured Brown. "He's our No. 1 corner and we're going to move him to free safety?" Smith said of Tillman.
"Who came up with that anyway? Who in the Chicago media started that? Charles Tillman is a cornerback for us," said Smith.
The focus at quarterback is expected to be for a backup, since Angelo has backed off earlier critical statements of Orton.
"When you bring somebody in from the outside to create competition, to have potentially co-starters, that takes away (practice time) from both guys, so that hurts the progress potentially of both players," Angelo said. "It certainly doesn't do anything for those backup-type guys that you'd like to continue to develop."
The Bears also need another wide receiver to complement Devin Hester, who had 51 catches in his first full season at the position, and a pass rush end after finishing tied for 22nd with 28 sacks last season.
Max Power
Footballguy
The Bears have reportedly emerged as "serious" contenders to land free agent S Darren Sharper.
Sharper played strong safety in Minnesota but would be used deeper in Chicago. The 33-year-old will be in New Orleans Monday. Brian Dawkins' out-of-nowhere $17 million deal with Denver reset the veteran safety market.
Source: St. Paul Pioneer Press
Little old, but better than nothing
Sharper played strong safety in Minnesota but would be used deeper in Chicago. The 33-year-old will be in New Orleans Monday. Brian Dawkins' out-of-nowhere $17 million deal with Denver reset the veteran safety market.
Source: St. Paul Pioneer Press
Little old, but better than nothing
Lovie can bring in his boy Derrick Brooks!flapgreen said:Hunter is our linbacker. Next questionVrable?VRABEL???I'm glad Angelo didn't "jump to spend" a potential 2nd round pick for a couple guys like Cassell and Vrabel. I'm more than happy with what we have. We just need to give them a little time to grow into the great players they can be.
Eat poop, Jerry.
We have HUNTER EFFIN HILLENMEYER AND NICK ROACH BRO!!!
flapgreen
Footballguy
Hunter is our linbacker. Next questionLovie can bring in his boy Derrick Brooks!flapgreen said:Hunter is our linbacker. Next questionVrable?VRABEL???I'm glad Angelo didn't "jump to spend" a potential 2nd round pick for a couple guys like Cassell and Vrabel. I'm more than happy with what we have. We just need to give them a little time to grow into the great players they can be.
Eat poop, Jerry. :(
We have HUNTER EFFIN HILLENMEYER AND NICK ROACH BRO!!!
William Munny
Footballguy
No interest in a guy like Lav Coles huh? Reliable veteran, great hands, seems like a good competitor.....yea we dont need him. We've got Earl Bennett and Rashied Davis
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
I think we will make a run at Holt at some point. Lovie knows him well; he is the type of vet who is a good locker room guy too. He can be had for a 3rd or 4th rounder. And frankly he is no worse than Coles for the next 1 or 2 years (which is what we need to do until we find something in the draft or Bennett works out or Hester develops). Do no forget we have a legit TE target already on O. I actually hope we look at Engram for a couple of years too. The perfect 3rd down, move the chain kind of guy and he has a history here with the Bears. He would be an upgrade over Rashied Davis.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Let's not get carried away here. That's high dollar and the team "won't jump to spend."
flapgreen
Footballguy
Our tight ends are the best part of our team. I'll take heat over this from some but I can never get myself to the see the positive in most off-seasons from the Bears. There's just never anything to look forward too. And as soon as I start to feel good about any FA pickup, it doesn't happen, and likely never close to happening. Angelo's last statement only reaffirmed what most of us already know about him and the organization. They don't take any chances and will thus rarely ever succeed. They attempt to build team like they were in the Bears Ditka years and appear to damn ignorant to see the difference.I don't get it. They have to know more about football than most people. Right? They run an NFL franchise and the owners and staff have decades of experience in the sport. Am I missing something that they all know? We sucked for years. Is it that hard to figure out? Most importantly, does Lovie even have much say in what is happening with the team? Sadly, after the Bears continue to fail for obvious reasons, he will be the one taking the fall, justified or not. Now, he's taking over the defensive play calling for the next season during this offseason? Say What? U telling me you can't find a good defensive coordinator to come in and take over the Bears defense at this point? WTF!
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3nOut
Footballguy
hey flap,so what FA's do you think we should have gone after? which ones of the remaining ones should we make offers to?Our tight ends are the best part of our team. I'll take heat over this from some but I can never get myself to the see the positive in most off-seasons from the Bears. There's just never anything to look forward too. And as soon as I start to feel good about any FA pickup, it doesn't happen, and likely never close to happening. Angelo's last statement only reaffirmed what most of us already know about him and the organization. They don't take any chances and will thus rarely ever succeed. They attempt to build team like they were in the Bears Ditka years and appear to damn ignorant to see the difference.I don't get it. They have to know more about football than most people. Right? They run an NFL franchise and the owners and staff have decades of experience in the sport. Am I missing something that they all know? We sucked for years. Is it that hard to figure out? Most importantly, does Lovie even have much say in what is happening with the team? Sadly, after the Bears continue to fail for obvious reasons, he will be the one taking the fall, justified or not. Now, he's taking over the defensive play calling for the next season during this offseason? Say What? U telling me you can't find a good defensive coordinator to come in and take over the Bears defense at this point? WTF!
