Offical Korean War Thread (2 Viewers)

[GroveDiesel]

We're not handing over any countries to Hitler here. If North Korea attacks South Korea, it's on. And it goes without saying that it's also on in the event of any kind of attack on Japan or the US. KJU almost certainly knows this already, but just in case he doesn't, the current show of force we're putting on display should get him up to speed. I completely understand that when some idiot starts acting like a clown, it's tempting to punch him in the face just on the principle of the thing. But the cost of going to war with NK is pretty high and significantly more complicated than either Iraq or Afghanistan. Unfortunately our best option is to do what we've been doing, which is basically nothing. If we end up tossing him some dollars a few weeks from now, that's a lot better than any military alternative.

I'm not advocating a first strike, I'm saying MAD is dumb and we're lucky to have missile defense systems just in case this guy really is crazy.

 

[NCCommish]

I get the feeling that if things do in fact go haywire, the North Korean people won't welcome us with open arms, thanks to the massive propaganda/brainwashing machine they've had for the past 60 years. If things to get to the point where we commit ground troops (And I sincerely hope they don't), what do we do to quell that idea of us that they have in their minds?

People said the same thing about the Japanese. I think these folks are a lot less brainwashed than all that. I know they are hungry though. I have a feeling that if it were to go ground,and it wouldn't until a lot of bombing was done, the SK Army would lead that and that would mitigate the "Imperialist Invader" crap.

 

[NCCommish]

We're not handing over any countries to Hitler here. If North Korea attacks South Korea, it's on. And it goes without saying that it's also on in the event of any kind of attack on Japan or the US. KJU almost certainly knows this already, but just in case he doesn't, the current show of force we're putting on display should get him up to speed. I completely understand that when some idiot starts acting like a clown, it's tempting to punch him in the face just on the principle of the thing. But the cost of going to war with NK is pretty high and significantly more complicated than either Iraq or Afghanistan. Unfortunately our best option is to do what we've been doing, which is basically nothing. If we end up tossing him some dollars a few weeks from now, that's a lot better than any military alternative.

I'm not advocating a first strike, I'm saying MAD is dumb and we're lucky to have missile defense systems just in case this guy really is crazy.

MAD has worked for many decades.

 

[Slapdash]

There is no doubt in my mind that the appropriate response to the North Koreans using a nuke on any of our allies or ourselves would be to nuke them until they glow. Don't need to worry about who is running the North because it will be hot for hundreds of years. I say this as someone who has been clear they think the nuking of Japan in WW2 was wrong. But this is different. MAD works for one reason, the thought that if you nuke us or our allies we will make an overwhelming nuclear response to that act. We would either have to carry through with that or we are blackmail victims forever.

And of course one of the reasons MAD is a bad policy to follow across the board is that it requires two rational state actors, something we may be one short of in this situation. Thank goodness we have some sort of a missile defense system that at least has some shot at preventing hundreds of thousands of deaths.

First off NK is not insane. They are playing a game they have been playing for a long time. New leader in SK? Time to ramp up the crazy. New sanctions? Ramp up the crazy. Add the two together you get extra crazy. But they haven't really done anything verifiable to back up the crazy talk. The worry is Jr isn't very experienced and he may get in over his head. If he goes to far then we need to do something. If he launches a nuke we light them up. Not just as retaliation but as a message to everyone else. Otherwise you have Pakistan and Iran to worry about.

The fact that we're even talking about NK launching a nuke as a real possibility is proof that we may not be dealing with a rational actor. If he launches any type of attack, that's definitive proof that he isn't a rational actor.

NK is not going to launch a nuke. Like NCC said, the new guy is running a play that NK has run about a dozen times in the past. In the NK playbook, "act crazy and provoke an international crisis with wild, arm-flailing belligerence" is their equivalent of running off tackle. They do this because they know that the rest of the world will give them stuff like food and economic assistance in exchange for going back in their basement for a couple of years. The main worry is that the new guy is extremely young and inexperienced so he may not know exactly what he's doing and may push things too far. Also, there is some speculation that his hold on power may not be that secure, and if that's the case he may think that it's in his domestic interest to provoke an actual war. All of this is completely consistent with NK being a rational actor. Yes, in theory, giving NK aid when they act out incentivises bad behavior, but it's just not worth it to teach them a lesson.

We know what his father dis in the past. We also know that a whole lot of North Koreans truly are brainwashed and think that their country truly is the greatest and strongest. How do we know for certain that Jr. isn't one of them? We DON'T know that Jr is playing the same game. Clearly our government doesn't know that or we wouldn't be massing all sorts of troops and military hardware over there. Assuming that everyone is a rational actor that thinks the same as you is how Europe hands over countries to Hitler and is then shocked when he just keeps going.Like I said, I for one am thankful we have an anti-missile system to try to protect ourselves and our allies. MAD is lunacy.

I don't get this. Let's assume this guy is buying his own propaganda here. He probably thinks NK would fare well in a convential war on the penninsula. Why is it lunacy to make it clear that any nuclear attack would be met with his country's utter destruction? If we are just going to respond by engaging in a conventional war, how does that deter him from a first-strike? How does that deter Iran from doing something similar down the line?

The way I see it, the faith our enemies have in our resolve to retaliate in the strongest terms is the biggest reason they have never tested it.

 

[Fennis]

Nice to hear Russia condemn North Korea so strongly.

http://news.yahoo.com/north-korea-actions-radically-limit-chance-nuclear-talks-115901883.html

Fwiw, Russia's motivation is keeping the other countries in the region nuke free. Both SK and Japan are making noises about pursuing nuclear weapons programs. That would be just as bad for the US as Russia.

 

[GroveDiesel]

There is no doubt in my mind that the appropriate response to the North Koreans using a nuke on any of our allies or ourselves would be to nuke them until they glow. Don't need to worry about who is running the North because it will be hot for hundreds of years. I say this as someone who has been clear they think the nuking of Japan in WW2 was wrong. But this is different. MAD works for one reason, the thought that if you nuke us or our allies we will make an overwhelming nuclear response to that act. We would either have to carry through with that or we are blackmail victims forever.

And of course one of the reasons MAD is a bad policy to follow across the board is that it requires two rational state actors, something we may be one short of in this situation. Thank goodness we have some sort of a missile defense system that at least has some shot at preventing hundreds of thousands of deaths.

First off NK is not insane. They are playing a game they have been playing for a long time. New leader in SK? Time to ramp up the crazy. New sanctions? Ramp up the crazy. Add the two together you get extra crazy. But they haven't really done anything verifiable to back up the crazy talk. The worry is Jr isn't very experienced and he may get in over his head. If he goes to far then we need to do something. If he launches a nuke we light them up. Not just as retaliation but as a message to everyone else. Otherwise you have Pakistan and Iran to worry about.

The fact that we're even talking about NK launching a nuke as a real possibility is proof that we may not be dealing with a rational actor. If he launches any type of attack, that's definitive proof that he isn't a rational actor.

NK is not going to launch a nuke. Like NCC said, the new guy is running a play that NK has run about a dozen times in the past. In the NK playbook, "act crazy and provoke an international crisis with wild, arm-flailing belligerence" is their equivalent of running off tackle. They do this because they know that the rest of the world will give them stuff like food and economic assistance in exchange for going back in their basement for a couple of years. The main worry is that the new guy is extremely young and inexperienced so he may not know exactly what he's doing and may push things too far. Also, there is some speculation that his hold on power may not be that secure, and if that's the case he may think that it's in his domestic interest to provoke an actual war. All of this is completely consistent with NK being a rational actor. Yes, in theory, giving NK aid when they act out incentivises bad behavior, but it's just not worth it to teach them a lesson.

We know what his father dis in the past. We also know that a whole lot of North Koreans truly are brainwashed and think that their country truly is the greatest and strongest. How do we know for certain that Jr. isn't one of them? We DON'T know that Jr is playing the same game. Clearly our government doesn't know that or we wouldn't be massing all sorts of troops and military hardware over there. Assuming that everyone is a rational actor that thinks the same as you is how Europe hands over countries to Hitler and is then shocked when he just keeps going.Like I said, I for one am thankful we have an anti-missile system to try to protect ourselves and our allies. MAD is lunacy.

I don't get this. Let's assume this guy is buying his own propaganda here. He probably thinks NK would fare well in a convential war on the penninsula. Why is it lunacy to make it clear that any nuclear attack would be met with his country's utter destruction? If we are just going to respond by engaging in a conventional war, how does that deter him from a first-strike? How does that deter Iran from doing something similar down the line? The way I see it, the faith our enemies have in our resolve to retaliate in the strongest terms is the biggest reason they have never tested it.

What you're describing isn't MAD since our destruction isn't really a likely possibility.

 

[GroveDiesel]

We're not handing over any countries to Hitler here. If North Korea attacks South Korea, it's on. And it goes without saying that it's also on in the event of any kind of attack on Japan or the US. KJU almost certainly knows this already, but just in case he doesn't, the current show of force we're putting on display should get him up to speed. I completely understand that when some idiot starts acting like a clown, it's tempting to punch him in the face just on the principle of the thing. But the cost of going to war with NK is pretty high and significantly more complicated than either Iraq or Afghanistan. Unfortunately our best option is to do what we've been doing, which is basically nothing. If we end up tossing him some dollars a few weeks from now, that's a lot better than any military alternative.

I'm not advocating a first strike, I'm saying MAD is dumb and we're lucky to have missile defense systems just in case this guy really is crazy.

MAD has worked for many decades.

Do you think the world would have been more or less safe if the Soviet Union never developed nuclear weapons?

 

[Black Box]

What you're describing isn't MAD since our destruction isn't really a likely possibility.

UAD

 

[T Bell]

I get the feeling that if things do in fact go haywire, the North Korean people won't welcome us with open arms, thanks to the massive propaganda/brainwashing machine they've had for the past 60 years. If things to get to the point where we commit ground troops (And I sincerely hope they don't), what do we do to quell that idea of us that they have in their minds?

That's not historically been much of a problem when we've overthrown regimes. We typically win them over just by the fact that we're there providing aid. Most importantly, however, would be the fact that the South Koreans would be front and center in the effort to reunify. I've got to think that the outside world will look like Disneyland to most poor NK's at this point.

 

[NCCommish]

We're not handing over any countries to Hitler here. If North Korea attacks South Korea, it's on. And it goes without saying that it's also on in the event of any kind of attack on Japan or the US. KJU almost certainly knows this already, but just in case he doesn't, the current show of force we're putting on display should get him up to speed. I completely understand that when some idiot starts acting like a clown, it's tempting to punch him in the face just on the principle of the thing. But the cost of going to war with NK is pretty high and significantly more complicated than either Iraq or Afghanistan. Unfortunately our best option is to do what we've been doing, which is basically nothing. If we end up tossing him some dollars a few weeks from now, that's a lot better than any military alternative.

I'm not advocating a first strike, I'm saying MAD is dumb and we're lucky to have missile defense systems just in case this guy really is crazy.

MAD has worked for many decades.

Do you think the world would have been more or less safe if the Soviet Union never developed nuclear weapons?

How many nukes has Russia launched?

 

[Slapdash]

There is no doubt in my mind that the appropriate response to the North Koreans using a nuke on any of our allies or ourselves would be to nuke them until they glow. Don't need to worry about who is running the North because it will be hot for hundreds of years. I say this as someone who has been clear they think the nuking of Japan in WW2 was wrong. But this is different. MAD works for one reason, the thought that if you nuke us or our allies we will make an overwhelming nuclear response to that act. We would either have to carry through with that or we are blackmail victims forever.

And of course one of the reasons MAD is a bad policy to follow across the board is that it requires two rational state actors, something we may be one short of in this situation. Thank goodness we have some sort of a missile defense system that at least has some shot at preventing hundreds of thousands of deaths.

First off NK is not insane. They are playing a game they have been playing for a long time. New leader in SK? Time to ramp up the crazy. New sanctions? Ramp up the crazy. Add the two together you get extra crazy. But they haven't really done anything verifiable to back up the crazy talk. The worry is Jr isn't very experienced and he may get in over his head. If he goes to far then we need to do something. If he launches a nuke we light them up. Not just as retaliation but as a message to everyone else. Otherwise you have Pakistan and Iran to worry about.

The fact that we're even talking about NK launching a nuke as a real possibility is proof that we may not be dealing with a rational actor. If he launches any type of attack, that's definitive proof that he isn't a rational actor.

NK is not going to launch a nuke. Like NCC said, the new guy is running a play that NK has run about a dozen times in the past. In the NK playbook, "act crazy and provoke an international crisis with wild, arm-flailing belligerence" is their equivalent of running off tackle. They do this because they know that the rest of the world will give them stuff like food and economic assistance in exchange for going back in their basement for a couple of years. The main worry is that the new guy is extremely young and inexperienced so he may not know exactly what he's doing and may push things too far. Also, there is some speculation that his hold on power may not be that secure, and if that's the case he may think that it's in his domestic interest to provoke an actual war. All of this is completely consistent with NK being a rational actor. Yes, in theory, giving NK aid when they act out incentivises bad behavior, but it's just not worth it to teach them a lesson.

We know what his father dis in the past. We also know that a whole lot of North Koreans truly are brainwashed and think that their country truly is the greatest and strongest. How do we know for certain that Jr. isn't one of them? We DON'T know that Jr is playing the same game. Clearly our government doesn't know that or we wouldn't be massing all sorts of troops and military hardware over there. Assuming that everyone is a rational actor that thinks the same as you is how Europe hands over countries to Hitler and is then shocked when he just keeps going.Like I said, I for one am thankful we have an anti-missile system to try to protect ourselves and our allies. MAD is lunacy.

I don't get this. Let's assume this guy is buying his own propaganda here. He probably thinks NK would fare well in a convential war on the penninsula. Why is it lunacy to make it clear that any nuclear attack would be met with his country's utter destruction? If we are just going to respond by engaging in a conventional war, how does that deter him from a first-strike? How does that deter Iran from doing something similar down the line? The way I see it, the faith our enemies have in our resolve to retaliate in the strongest terms is the biggest reason they have never tested it.

What you're describing isn't MAD since our destruction isn't really a likely possibility.

Then why do you keep mentioning it?

 

[GroveDiesel]

We're not handing over any countries to Hitler here. If North Korea attacks South Korea, it's on. And it goes without saying that it's also on in the event of any kind of attack on Japan or the US. KJU almost certainly knows this already, but just in case he doesn't, the current show of force we're putting on display should get him up to speed. I completely understand that when some idiot starts acting like a clown, it's tempting to punch him in the face just on the principle of the thing. But the cost of going to war with NK is pretty high and significantly more complicated than either Iraq or Afghanistan. Unfortunately our best option is to do what we've been doing, which is basically nothing. If we end up tossing him some dollars a few weeks from now, that's a lot better than any military alternative.

I'm not advocating a first strike, I'm saying MAD is dumb and we're lucky to have missile defense systems just in case this guy really is crazy.

MAD has worked for many decades.

Do you think the world would have been more or less safe if the Soviet Union never developed nuclear weapons?

How many nukes has Russia launched?

Answer the question please.

 

[T Bell]

We're not handing over any countries to Hitler here. If North Korea attacks South Korea, it's on. And it goes without saying that it's also on in the event of any kind of attack on Japan or the US. KJU almost certainly knows this already, but just in case he doesn't, the current show of force we're putting on display should get him up to speed. I completely understand that when some idiot starts acting like a clown, it's tempting to punch him in the face just on the principle of the thing. But the cost of going to war with NK is pretty high and significantly more complicated than either Iraq or Afghanistan. Unfortunately our best option is to do what we've been doing, which is basically nothing. If we end up tossing him some dollars a few weeks from now, that's a lot better than any military alternative.

I'm not advocating a first strike, I'm saying MAD is dumb and we're lucky to have missile defense systems just in case this guy really is crazy.

MAD has worked for many decades.

Do you think the world would have been more or less safe if the Soviet Union never developed nuclear weapons?

I know that you directed this at NCC, but I'll answer as well. I think the world was ultimately more safe for the half-century or so that the USSR was a counterpoint to the US. The US was frighteningly enthralled with the potential of nuclear weapons coming out of WWII and we likely "needed" an equivalent power to force us not to use them frivolously.

Since the USSR fell, however, it's become less clear whether nukes provide some MAD-related stability to the world (this time among a number of actors) or whether they ultimately only increase the risk.

 

[NCCommish]

We're not handing over any countries to Hitler here. If North Korea attacks South Korea, it's on. And it goes without saying that it's also on in the event of any kind of attack on Japan or the US. KJU almost certainly knows this already, but just in case he doesn't, the current show of force we're putting on display should get him up to speed. I completely understand that when some idiot starts acting like a clown, it's tempting to punch him in the face just on the principle of the thing. But the cost of going to war with NK is pretty high and significantly more complicated than either Iraq or Afghanistan. Unfortunately our best option is to do what we've been doing, which is basically nothing. If we end up tossing him some dollars a few weeks from now, that's a lot better than any military alternative.

I'm not advocating a first strike, I'm saying MAD is dumb and we're lucky to have missile defense systems just in case this guy really is crazy.

MAD has worked for many decades.

Do you think the world would have been more or less safe if the Soviet Union never developed nuclear weapons?

How many nukes has Russia launched?

Answer the question please.

How do you suppose for one minute we were ever going to remain the only nuclear power? Physics works everywhere and the Russians had a program started. It still took them a few years but it's simple backwards engineering to get the bomb when you have a state behind your efforts.

 

[culdeus]

OMG HE MOVED A MIZZEL

People need to chill on this it's upsetting the markets.

 

[GroveDiesel]

We're not handing over any countries to Hitler here. If North Korea attacks South Korea, it's on. And it goes without saying that it's also on in the event of any kind of attack on Japan or the US. KJU almost certainly knows this already, but just in case he doesn't, the current show of force we're putting on display should get him up to speed. I completely understand that when some idiot starts acting like a clown, it's tempting to punch him in the face just on the principle of the thing. But the cost of going to war with NK is pretty high and significantly more complicated than either Iraq or Afghanistan. Unfortunately our best option is to do what we've been doing, which is basically nothing. If we end up tossing him some dollars a few weeks from now, that's a lot better than any military alternative.

I'm not advocating a first strike, I'm saying MAD is dumb and we're lucky to have missile defense systems just in case this guy really is crazy.

MAD has worked for many decades.

Do you think the world would have been more or less safe if the Soviet Union never developed nuclear weapons?

How many nukes has Russia launched?

Answer the question please.

How do you suppose for one minute we were ever going to remain the only nuclear power? Physics works everywhere and the Russians had a program started. It still took them a few years but it's simple backwards engineering to get the bomb when you have a state behind your efforts.

It's a hypothetical.

 

[GroveDiesel]

We're not handing over any countries to Hitler here. If North Korea attacks South Korea, it's on. And it goes without saying that it's also on in the event of any kind of attack on Japan or the US. KJU almost certainly knows this already, but just in case he doesn't, the current show of force we're putting on display should get him up to speed. I completely understand that when some idiot starts acting like a clown, it's tempting to punch him in the face just on the principle of the thing. But the cost of going to war with NK is pretty high and significantly more complicated than either Iraq or Afghanistan. Unfortunately our best option is to do what we've been doing, which is basically nothing. If we end up tossing him some dollars a few weeks from now, that's a lot better than any military alternative.

I'm not advocating a first strike, I'm saying MAD is dumb and we're lucky to have missile defense systems just in case this guy really is crazy.

MAD has worked for many decades.

Do you think the world would have been more or less safe if the Soviet Union never developed nuclear weapons?

I know that you directed this at NCC, but I'll answer as well. I think the world was ultimately more safe for the half-century or so that the USSR was a counterpoint to the US. The US was frighteningly enthralled with the potential of nuclear weapons coming out of WWII and we likely "needed" an equivalent power to force us not to use them frivolously. Since the USSR fell, however, it's become less clear whether nukes provide some MAD-related stability to the world (this time among a number of actors) or whether they ultimately only increase the risk.

That seems totally counter to pretty much everything we know about how the decision was made to use the bomb, what the fallout was of doing so and what our intent was in using it. I seriously doubt we would have used them in a purely offensive manner.

 

[Kal El]

I get the feeling that if things do in fact go haywire, the North Korean people won't welcome us with open arms, thanks to the massive propaganda/brainwashing machine they've had for the past 60 years. If things to get to the point where we commit ground troops (And I sincerely hope they don't), what do we do to quell that idea of us that they have in their minds?

That's not historically been much of a problem when we've overthrown regimes. We typically win them over just by the fact that we're there providing aid. Most importantly, however, would be the fact that the South Koreans would be front and center in the effort to reunify. I've got to think that the outside world will look like Disneyland to most poor NK's at this point.

I somehow forgot that the people are starving there, but both you and NCC bring up good points, in that the South should lead any effort to aid them should things end badly.

 

[shader]

This young dictator reminds me of Prince Joffrey

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Another expert on international relations has weighed in on the escalating conflict:

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2013/04/bills-stevie-johnson-wants-north-korea-to-bomb-patriots-first/

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Also, why the hell can't we set up links like we could before? It looks like now if you want to post a link, the link itself has to be the url, not explanatory text. The latest board update really seems like a step backwards in several respects.

 

[Slapdash]

Also, why the hell can't we set up links like we could before? It looks like now if you want to post a link, the link itself has to be the url, not explanatory text. The latest board update really seems like a step backwards in several respects.

Hi

ETA: So what you need to do is type the text then highlight it while you click the insert link button. That is how I did links most of the time anyways.

 

[butcher boy]

Also, why the hell can't we set up links like we could before? It looks like now if you want to post a link, the link itself has to be the url, not explanatory text. The latest board update really seems like a step backwards in several respects.

1. You can still do this.

2. Seeing the URL is a million times better than seeing "My Link" 100 times in a thread.

 

[Fennis]

Also, why the hell can't we set up links like we could before? It looks like now if you want to post a link, the link itself has to be the url, not explanatory text. The latest board update really seems like a step backwards in several respects.

1. You can still do this.

2. Seeing the URL is a million times better than seeing "My Link" 100 times in a thread.

My Link

 

[butcher boy]

Also, why the hell can't we set up links like we could before? It looks like now if you want to post a link, the link itself has to be the url, not explanatory text. The latest board update really seems like a step backwards in several respects.

1. You can still do this.

2. Seeing the URL is a million times better than seeing "My Link" 100 times in a thread.

My Link

http://www.thislooksalotbetterbecauseseeingtheurlgivesabetterideaofwherethelinktakesyou.com

Edit: Well that didn't work like I expected.

 

[Fennis]

Also, why the hell can't we set up links like we could before? It looks like now if you want to post a link, the link itself has to be the url, not explanatory text. The latest board update really seems like a step backwards in several respects.

1. You can still do this.

2. Seeing the URL is a million times better than seeing "My Link" 100 times in a thread.

My Link

http://www.thislooksalotbetterbecauseseeingtheurlgivesabetterideaofwherethelinktakesyou.com

Edit: Well that didn't work like I expected.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Ah, got it. If only there was a forum where we could test out this kind of stuff.

 

[Billy Bats]

Other than a nucular strike against them, can SK hold their own against NK or is it a 1-16 first round game?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Other than a nucular strike against them, can SK hold their own against NK or is it a 1-16 first round game?

My understanding is that SK would be favored over NK if it was a one-on-one matchup. Which of course it wouldn't be.

 

[Billy Bats]

Other than a nucular strike against them, can SK hold their own against NK or is it a 1-16 first round game?

My understanding is that SK would be favored over NK if it was a one-on-one matchup. Which of course it wouldn't be.

Who are they tagging into the match or are you referring strictly to the nukes?eta: thanks for answering, didnt know SK had a powerful military. Especially after hearing all the bluster about NKs forces.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Other than a nucular strike against them, can SK hold their own against NK or is it a 1-16 first round game?

My understanding is that SK would be favored over NK if it was a one-on-one matchup. Which of course it wouldn't be.

I think there will be a definite first-movers advantage here.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Other than a nucular strike against them, can SK hold their own against NK or is it a 1-16 first round game?

My understanding is that SK would be favored over NK if it was a one-on-one matchup. Which of course it wouldn't be.

Who are they tagging into the match or are you referring strictly to the nukes?eta: thanks for answering, didnt know SK had a powerful military. Especially after hearing all the bluster about NKs forces.

I don't think there's any question that the US would respond to an attack on SK with anything other than all-out war. Not a nuclear strike, but a full-fledged regime-destroying war like Iraq and Afghanistan. If it really did something stupid, like shelling Seoul, the North Korean regime will be completely annihilated by the US.

Others here undoubtedly know more about the ROK military than I do, but I've always been under the impression that it's solid. South Korea isn't like Japan, where it's almost completely reliant on the US for its military defense. My understanding is that it could hold its own. Sinn Fein's point about the first mover advantate is probably right though.

 

[NCCommish]

Other than a nucular strike against them, can SK hold their own against NK or is it a 1-16 first round game?

My understanding is that SK would be favored over NK if it was a one-on-one matchup. Which of course it wouldn't be.

In the early stages NK would have a numbers advantage but the longer it goes the worse it goes for NK. Their equipment just isn't comparable. The estimates are it would take 500k US troops so they would have some time before reinforcements arrived but it wouldn't last long after that. In the interim it's expected the the troops along the DMZ would provide a significant obstacle for NK. If they wanted to invade they really needed to do it 50 years ago when their number advantage would have meant more.

 

[Copeman]

SK is overmatched numerically something like 6-1, but they have much better technology (thanks to the US) in regards to their military. Also, NK could make a good first push, but they lack the fuel to do much over any extended period of time. Think of the Germans in The Batte of the Bulge.

 

[Billy Bats]

Other than a nucular strike against them, can SK hold their own against NK or is it a 1-16 first round game?

My understanding is that SK would be favored over NK if it was a one-on-one matchup. Which of course it wouldn't be.

Who are they tagging into the match or are you referring strictly to the nukes?eta: thanks for answering, didnt know SK had a powerful military. Especially after hearing all the bluster about NKs forces.

I don't think there's any question that the US would respond to an attack on SK with anything other than all-out war. Not a nuclear strike, but a full-fledged regime-destroying war like Iraq and Afghanistan. If it really did something stupid, like shelling Seoul, the North Korean regime will be completely annihilated by the US.

Others here undoubtedly know more about the ROK military than I do, but I've always been under the impression that it's solid. South Korea isn't like Japan, where it's almost completely reliant on the US for its military defense. My understanding is that it could hold its own. Sinn Fein's point about the first mover advantate is probably right though.

Oh, my mistake. I thought you were referring to NK when you said it wouldn't be a one-on-one matchup, thinking you meant they had someone else to partner with. I originally asked because I was just wondering if SK could win a war with NK without our help, knowing of course we definitely would get involved, was just curious about SK's military might and capabilities. Thanks for the insight everyone.

 

[Eminence]

Again, I simply want these fools annihilated. I feel awful for my Grandfather some 80+ years old having fought in this war now having to hear jive about them nuking us.

I think North Korea with the various statements and threats they've made have committed crimes against every American citizen. They're scum; ######s that can't add to the world.

Take them out and the world will be a safer place.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Again, I simply want these fools annihilated. I feel awful for my Grandfather some 80+ years old having fought in this war now having to hear jive about them nuking us. I think North Korea with the various statements and threats they've made have committed crimes against every American citizen. They're scum; ####### that can't add to the world. Take them out and the world will be a safer place.

Yes. All 24 million of them are scum and should be annihilated. Stay classy.

 

[culdeus]

SK is overmatched numerically something like 6-1, but they have much better technology (thanks to the US) in regards to their military. Also, NK could make a good first push, but they lack the fuel to do much over any extended period of time. Think of the Germans in The Batte of the Bulge.

They would get smoked in 24 hrs. Their main threat is their artillery which would take some time to take out. 8 hours of artillery from NK could kill as many people as a nuke would. By the time those guns are stopped the US would have blown every military resource worth anything to hell. Then it's just a matter of how China plays it's hand.

While we are at it we should poke a hole in that stupid dam they built.

 

[Usual21]

Again, I simply want these fools annihilated. I feel awful for my Grandfather some 80+ years old having fought in this war now having to hear jive about them nuking us. I think North Korea with the various statements and threats they've made have committed crimes against every American citizen. They're scum; ####### that can't add to the world. Take them out and the world will be a safer place.

Have to agree here.

 

[Billy Bats]

How is our intelligence inside NK? Do we know where Junior lives in order to send a cruise missle through his front door or are we blind inside NK?

 

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Other than a nucular strike against them, can SK hold their own against NK or is it a 1-16 first round game?

My understanding is that SK would be favored over NK if it was a one-on-one matchup. Which of course it wouldn't be.

Who are they tagging into the match or are you referring strictly to the nukes?eta: thanks for answering, didnt know SK had a powerful military. Especially after hearing all the bluster about NKs forces.

South vs North : Via Global Firepower Website

 

[culdeus]

What do their 1700 planes consist of?

 

[Redwes25]

SK is overmatched numerically something like 6-1, but they have much better technology (thanks to the US) in regards to their military. Also, NK could make a good first push, but they lack the fuel to do much over any extended period of time. Think of the Germans in The Batte of the Bulge.

Nothing like the South Korean verison of A-1 Abrams tanks going against T-62 tanks. Lets not forget that T-72 tanks were shown as completely obsolute in Iraq and the 62 was top Soviet technology in the early 60s.

 

[Redwes25]

What do their 1700 planes consist of?

I have read they have only 50 or so modern fighters. Most are aging Mig-19s and 21s.

 

[Black Box]

South vs North : Via Global Firepower Website

Weak. I was expecting them to predict a winner at the end.

 

[Eminence]

Again, I simply want these fools annihilated. I feel awful for my Grandfather some 80+ years old having fought in this war now having to hear jive about them nuking us.

I think North Korea with the various statements and threats they've made have committed crimes against every American citizen. They're scum; ####### that can't add to the world.

Take them out and the world will be a safer place.

Yes. All 24 million of them are scum and should be annihilated. Stay classy.

North Korea today warned ‘the moment of explosion is near' as it declared that troops have been cleared to attack the U.S. using 'smaller, lighter and diversified' nuclear weapons (April 3rd).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2303725/North-Korea-nuclear-war-threat-US-troops-poised-respond-madman-Kim-Jong-Un-says-attack-authorised.html

"South Korean and US intelligence authorities have obtained indications the North has moved an object that appears to be a mid-range missile to the east coast," the agency said citing a South Korean government source. The missile is believed to be a mid-range Musudan missile, with a reach of some 3,000 km or more.

"We formally inform the White House and Pentagon that the ever-escalating US hostile policy toward the DPRK and its reckless nuclear threat will be smashed by the strong will of all the united service personnel and people."

"The moment of explosion is near."

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I will not be bullied by some Asian #####. He wants to kill me, you, everyone on this message board. I don't have time to decipher what is or isn't a threat.

If I walk up to you and have a banana under my shirt and say I'm going to shoot you with a gun, I am going to face scrutiny by law enforcement whether or not my intent is to shoot or if I really have a gun.

North Korea today warned ‘the moment of explosion is near' as it declared that troops have been cleared to attack the U.S. using 'smaller, lighter and diversified' nuclear weapons (April 3rd).

And from a global standpoint, North Korea has already stated they've ended their "ceasefire" with the South and South Korea 'just happens' to be our 6th Largest Trade Partner.

Like it or not, we're involved and now that they're threatening to take the lives of our innocent citizens. I'm pissed.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Again, I simply want these fools annihilated. I feel awful for my Grandfather some 80+ years old having fought in this war now having to hear jive about them nuking us.

I think North Korea with the various statements and threats they've made have committed crimes against every American citizen. They're scum; ####### that can't add to the world.

Take them out and the world will be a safer place.

Yes. All 24 million of them are scum and should be annihilated. Stay classy.

North Korea today warned ‘the moment of explosion is near' as it declared that troops have been cleared to attack the U.S. using 'smaller, lighter and diversified' nuclear weapons (April 3rd).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2303725/North-Korea-nuclear-war-threat-US-troops-poised-respond-madman-Kim-Jong-Un-says-attack-authorised.html

"South Korean and US intelligence authorities have obtained indications the North has moved an object that appears to be a mid-range missile to the east coast," the agency said citing a South Korean government source. The missile is believed to be a mid-range Musudan missile, with a reach of some 3,000 km or more.

"We formally inform the White House and Pentagon that the ever-escalating US hostile policy toward the DPRK and its reckless nuclear threat will be smashed by the strong will of all the united service personnel and people."

"The moment of explosion is near."

-

I will not be bullied by some Asian #####. He wants to kill me, you, everyone on this message board. I don't have time to decipher what is or isn't a threat.

If I walk up to you and have a banana under my shirt and say I'm going to shoot you with a gun, I am going to face scrutiny by law enforcement whether or not my intent is to shoot or if I really have a gun.

North Korea today warned ‘the moment of explosion is near' as it declared that troops have been cleared to attack the U.S. using 'smaller, lighter and diversified' nuclear weapons (April 3rd).

And from a global standpoint, North Korea has already stated they've ended their "ceasefire" with the South and South Korea 'just happens' to be our 6th Largest Trade Partner.

Like it or not, we're involved and now that they're threatening to take the lives of our innocent citizens. I'm pissed.

 

[NCCommish]

What do their 1700 planes consist of?

Migs, some bombers that can't reach the US, some helicopters and some cargo planes.

 

[culdeus]

What do their 1700 planes consist of?

Migs, some bombers that can't reach the US, some helicopters and some cargo planes.

http://theaviationist.com/2013/04/02/north-korea-map/#.UV3kg5OG11A

 

[NCCommish]

Again, I simply want these fools annihilated. I feel awful for my Grandfather some 80+ years old having fought in this war now having to hear jive about them nuking us.

I think North Korea with the various statements and threats they've made have committed crimes against every American citizen. They're scum; ####### that can't add to the world.

Take them out and the world will be a safer place.

Yes. All 24 million of them are scum and should be annihilated. Stay classy.

North Korea today warned ‘the moment of explosion is near' as it declared that troops have been cleared to attack the U.S. using 'smaller, lighter and diversified' nuclear weapons (April 3rd).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2303725/North-Korea-nuclear-war-threat-US-troops-poised-respond-madman-Kim-Jong-Un-says-attack-authorised.html

"South Korean and US intelligence authorities have obtained indications the North has moved an object that appears to be a mid-range missile to the east coast," the agency said citing a South Korean government source. The missile is believed to be a mid-range Musudan missile, with a reach of some 3,000 km or more.

"We formally inform the White House and Pentagon that the ever-escalating US hostile policy toward the DPRK and its reckless nuclear threat will be smashed by the strong will of all the united service personnel and people."

"The moment of explosion is near."

-

I will not be bullied by some Asian #####. He wants to kill me, you, everyone on this message board. I don't have time to decipher what is or isn't a threat.

If I walk up to you and have a banana under my shirt and say I'm going to shoot you with a gun, I am going to face scrutiny by law enforcement whether or not my intent is to shoot or if I really have a gun.

North Korea today warned ‘the moment of explosion is near' as it declared that troops have been cleared to attack the U.S. using 'smaller, lighter and diversified' nuclear weapons (April 3rd).

And from a global standpoint, North Korea has already stated they've ended their "ceasefire" with the South and South Korea 'just happens' to be our 6th Largest Trade Partner.

Like it or not, we're involved and now that they're threatening to take the lives of our innocent citizens. I'm pissed.

Get over yourself. They can't do anything to us and this is their usual rhetoric.