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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (1 Viewer)
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Skeletore Eh
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bengalbuck
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That one is really interesting. I'd personally take Allen and Watkins. Maybe if I had an absolutely loaded roster with Calvin, AJ, and Dez already at WR or something. But otherwise, those 2 guys are close enough in value to Julio that I'd take the 2 of them.
In a lot of these trades, I think back to a recent auction I did ($500 budget). Julio went for something like $110 (which I thought was a great price and about $10-20 less than Calvin, AJ and Gordon and Dez). Allen and 1.01 each went for $76, which I thought were fair prices. So it looks like about $150 of value vs. $110-$120 for Julio.
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Donsmith753
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12 team PPR not involved
Start 1/1/1/1 and 4 flex
Keenan Allen (1.2mil (2 % of cap) / 2 years)
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1.08 (2.1mil, up to 5 years)
Start 1/1/1/1 and 4 flex
Keenan Allen (1.2mil (2 % of cap) / 2 years)
For
1.08 (2.1mil, up to 5 years)
Archer
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12 team PPR dynasty. Would really appreciate honest feedback. Did I give up too early on my RBs I moved? Fair return?
I gave: L. Miller, Wilson, Andre Brown, Olsen
I got: Morris, Helu, 2.3 pick
Roster:
RG3, Foles, Cousins
Martin, Spiller, Morris, Helu, Tolbert
Cruz, Fitz, V-Jax, McCluster, Hankerson, Dwight Jones
Reed, Kelce, McDonald
Picks 1.2, 1.10, 2.1, 2.3, 2.4, 2.6, 3.4
I gave: L. Miller, Wilson, Andre Brown, Olsen
I got: Morris, Helu, 2.3 pick
Roster:
RG3, Foles, Cousins
Martin, Spiller, Morris, Helu, Tolbert
Cruz, Fitz, V-Jax, McCluster, Hankerson, Dwight Jones
Reed, Kelce, McDonald
Picks 1.2, 1.10, 2.1, 2.3, 2.4, 2.6, 3.4
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Bamac
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I like Vereen, but not at that price.
Archer
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Well this morning I finished a major overhaul on a 3rd year dynasty team (PPR league) that stunk up the first 2 seasons and never sniffed the playoffs. Starting to feel like this team now has a chance for post season play. What do you guys think?
Roster 1 Month Ago:
RG3, Dalton, Cousins
Martin, Miller, Wilson, Andre Brown, Tolbert, Pead
Julio, Cruz, FItz, Wright, McCluster, Thompkins, Hankerson, Givens, Dwight Jones
Olsen, McDonald, Myers
Picks 2.4, 2.6, 3.4
Roster Today:
RG3, Foles, Cousins
Martin, Spiller, Morris, Helu, Tolbert
Cruz, Fitz, V-Jax, McCluster, Hankerson, Dwight Jones
Reed, Kelce, McDonald
Picks 1.2, 1.10, 2.1, 2.3, 2.4, 2.6, 3.4
While I obviously hated moving Julio, I feel like I improved my QB depth, #2 and #3 RBs, and while I took a hit at WR, feel like V-Jax is a good short term band aid to losing Julio/Wright and hopefully my draft picks allow me to build depth at WR, RB, and TE. Is this a shark worthy change in roster or do I need a dunce cap?
Trades together consisted of
Giving: Julio, Wright, Dalton, Givens, Pead, Thompkins, Miller, Wilson, Andre Brown, Olsen
Got: Spiller, Morris, V-Jax, Foles, Reed, Kelce, Helu, 1.2, 1.10, 2.1, 2.3
Roster 1 Month Ago:
RG3, Dalton, Cousins
Martin, Miller, Wilson, Andre Brown, Tolbert, Pead
Julio, Cruz, FItz, Wright, McCluster, Thompkins, Hankerson, Givens, Dwight Jones
Olsen, McDonald, Myers
Picks 2.4, 2.6, 3.4
Roster Today:
RG3, Foles, Cousins
Martin, Spiller, Morris, Helu, Tolbert
Cruz, Fitz, V-Jax, McCluster, Hankerson, Dwight Jones
Reed, Kelce, McDonald
Picks 1.2, 1.10, 2.1, 2.3, 2.4, 2.6, 3.4
While I obviously hated moving Julio, I feel like I improved my QB depth, #2 and #3 RBs, and while I took a hit at WR, feel like V-Jax is a good short term band aid to losing Julio/Wright and hopefully my draft picks allow me to build depth at WR, RB, and TE. Is this a shark worthy change in roster or do I need a dunce cap?
Trades together consisted of
Giving: Julio, Wright, Dalton, Givens, Pead, Thompkins, Miller, Wilson, Andre Brown, Olsen
Got: Spiller, Morris, V-Jax, Foles, Reed, Kelce, Helu, 1.2, 1.10, 2.1, 2.3
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msudaisy26
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Concept Coop
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I agree on both parts. If it was the 1.02, even, I might take Julio. But I'd roll the dice on Allen and Watkins.
Concept Coop
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Assuming that's Andre Brown and not Antonio--I like it for you. Miller (or Wilson) and the pick counter out, and Morris/Helu is worth a good deal more than the rest.
Concept Coop
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I thought so, too, but the scoring is weird. I've never played in the format, or anything like it, really. Those carry points might push Pierce and Vereen up a good deal.
Coeur de Lion
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I'd think that that format devalues Vereen hugely -- .5 less / catch and the .25 / carry allows the 150 carry scrubs like Mendenhall and Daniel Thomas to make up a bunch of ground on a receiving specialist.
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MoveToSkypager
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Archer
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I'd still take Jones, but I think its close.
Also close, but I'd take Wright.
Bruce Hammond
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12 team PPR start QRWT+4flex
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.04
Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.09
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Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.04
Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.09
for
Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR
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Bruce Hammond
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12 team PPR start QRWT+4flex
Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick
Year 2016 Round 2 Draft Pick
for
Johnson, Chris TEN RB
Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick
Year 2016 Round 2 Draft Pick
for
Johnson, Chris TEN RB
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Bruce Hammond
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12 team PPR start QRWT+4flex
Smith, Torrey BAL WR
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Stills, Kenny NOS WR
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.11
Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.11
Smith, Torrey BAL WR
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Stills, Kenny NOS WR
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.11
Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.11
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I'll take the picks
Nice buy low on Johnson
Stills and the picks
Bruce Hammond
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Which? I ended up posting three deals. For the record, I'm the new owner of Maclin in the first one, Torrey Smith in the 3rd one, and sent Chris Johnson packing in the 2rd one.
I feel like it's time to get out of Dodge with CJ3.8ypc, about to turn 29 and changing teams to who knows where, always-blame-the-OL attitude issues, can't run up the gut and apparently losing that 4.3 speed that allowed him his big gains of the past. I worry that a year from now his trade value might be zilch, my FF team in that league has a lot of really good flex depth, and I can afford to move him now before I'm unable to get anything for him in a year.
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Bruce Hammond
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msudaisy26
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msudaisy26
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Only my opinion.
The Smith one I could probably go either way on but I like Stills enough that I would lean there for now.
Could easily be 3 wins for you.
CJ2K is just effective enough to finish top 15 the past couple of years so a 2nd in each 2015/2016 out doesn't do much for me. Not a bad deal but I would rather hold him until he has a team
Bruce Hammond
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Not asking you to change your original opinion, glad you gave it!
I've been doing this a million years and know these things can go either way. I had a tough time with the Torrey Smith deal because I do like Stills a lot but his future production is still a ?? and the bust rate on the 1.11 pick is high enough that I wanted to get Torrey, who fits well in my starting lineup. I did the Maclin deal confident that he'll be a 70+ catch guy again with DJax about to depart. And I described my reasons above for being way down on Chris Johnson. I forgot to mention too that even when he was in a starting lineup you didn't know which CJ you'd get. Frustratingly inconsistent for a RB. I feel good having him gone!
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Dr. Octopus
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12 Team PPR QB - 2RB - 3WR - TE - FL
Team A acquired
Williams, Terrance WR DAL
Bush, Reggie RB DET
Nelson, Jordy WR GB
Team B acquired
Brown, Bryce RB PHI
Polk, Chris RB PHI
McCoy, LeSean RB PHI
Team A acquired
Williams, Terrance WR DAL
Bush, Reggie RB DET
Nelson, Jordy WR GB
Team B acquired
Brown, Bryce RB PHI
Polk, Chris RB PHI
McCoy, LeSean RB PHI
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thriftyrocker
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Needs at least a mid 1st added to the Nelson side.Dr. Octopus said:
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I will take MaclinBruce Hammond said:
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Stills and picksBruce Hammond said:
thriftyrocker
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Really I'm surprised he got Stills along with it. Can be hard just to get a late 1st from Torrey. Not that its right. If the Ravens take a WR early, which they probably will, his price will go down even more.
Um...I was thinking the opposite actually. If I only have to give up 1.11 and Stills to get Torrey, I'd be all over that; and I actually consider myself a fan of Stills.
Conversely, in the two leagues I own Torrey, I would find a 1.11/Stills offer to be basically a non-starter and wouldn't view the other owner that seriously.
Bruce Hammond
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Torrey is a bona fide #1 for awhile in BAL as I see it. 25 years old, 65-1128 last year and still getting better IMO, career 17+ YPC, and although he only had 4 TDs last year his historical TD/catch ratio would suggest it would normally be more like 8 TDs on 65 catches.
People forget how often low 1st round picks end up either worthless or just marginal players. Go back and look at any prior year and see how often the rookie picks around that spot come nowhere close to being fantasy starters. As for Stills... I said above, I do like Stills. But he's far from a lock to ever be a fantasy starter. 5th round pick, a nice rookie start with 32-641-5 but Colston is ahead of him (for now), J Graham will always be the #1 ahead of him, the RBs get a ton of catches, they certainly could add a WR, and there appears to be a new emphasis on the running game going forward as Brees approaches the end. Stills is no sure thing.
So, give me T Smith to plug into my starting lineup at 14 PPG or so and let someone else take the 'maybes' of 1.11 and Stills, plus 2-3 years of waiting and hoping.
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thriftyrocker
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To be clear I wasn't talking about how I'd value him, but how the market will value him compared to 1.11 especially after post-draft inflation sets in. I think there's a feeling that we've seen what he is and that's all that he can be. That any low WR1 upside is gone, and at best you've got a mediocre WR2 going forward. If they do something like draft Lee at 1.17 like Walter FB has him slotted, then people will look at him as a NFL WR2 that was temporarily forced to be a NFL WR1 and start to question if he can even keep up his current pace. At that point you can offer Stills/2nd for him and not feel like you're insulting the guy too much.
Coeur de Lion
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Bolded pretty much sums up my view on Torrey Smith. That said, I'd still be a buyer for a late 1st and a random Stills type prospect all day. Most of my leagues are 3 WR plus a flex, and that steady WR20 production is good at WR3, and pure gold in a flex spot. I'll gladly let others swing for the fences shooting for WR1 upside, and most likely miss, while I take the easy bloop single to shallow left that is Torrey Smith.
ghostguy123
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I'll take Torrey over pick 11.
When you add Stills to it, makes it closer, but I will still go Torrey.
When you add Stills to it, makes it closer, but I will still go Torrey.
