****OFFICIAL**** 2008 Washington Redskins Off Season Thread! (1 Viewer)

[Bizkiteer]

I'm going to venture a wild guess here: with Snyder and Cerrato there has been no plan beyond: "let's try this next."

And here we are, Redskin nation, all riding in the back seat, with Dan at the wheel and Vinny riding shotgun. We're in a swamp, we hear mud slopping and tires spinning, and one of them is saying "let's try this next."

Hand me that brown bag and build up that fire.

Considering what we've seen so far, this is very much the possibilty. I would point out that it goes to show that Gibbs moving on came a total surprise. Some on ES have speculated that Danny pushed Gibbs out, which clearly if he had...he'd be moving in a more definitive way towards the hire of the man he truly wanted.

 

[redman]

I'm going to venture a wild guess here: with Snyder and Cerrato there has been no plan beyond: "let's try this next."

And here we are, Redskin nation, all riding in the back seat, with Dan at the wheel and Vinny riding shotgun. We're in a swamp, we hear mud slopping and tires spinning, and one of them is saying "let's try this next."

Hand me that brown bag and build up that fire.

Considering what we've seen so far, this is very much the possibilty. I would point out that it goes to show that Gibbs moving on came a total surprise. Some on ES have speculated that Danny pushed Gibbs out, which clearly if he had...he'd be moving in a more definitive way towards the hire of the man he truly wanted.

I swear sometimes I'm embarrassed by the idiots who like me call themselves Redskins fans.

 

[dgreen]

I'm going to venture a wild guess here: with Snyder and Cerrato there has been no plan beyond: "let's try this next."

And here we are, Redskin nation, all riding in the back seat, with Dan at the wheel and Vinny riding shotgun. We're in a swamp, we hear mud slopping and tires spinning, and one of them is saying "let's try this next."

Hand me that brown bag and build up that fire.

Considering what we've seen so far, this is very much the possibilty. I would point out that it goes to show that Gibbs moving on came a total surprise. Some on ES have speculated that Danny pushed Gibbs out, which clearly if he had...he'd be moving in a more definitive way towards the hire of the man he truly wanted.

I swear sometimes I'm embarrassed by the idiots who like me call themselves Redskins fans.

 

[Kinger]

I'm going to venture a wild guess here: with Snyder and Cerrato there has been no plan beyond: "let's try this next."

And here we are, Redskin nation, all riding in the back seat, with Dan at the wheel and Vinny riding shotgun. We're in a swamp, we hear mud slopping and tires spinning, and one of them is saying "let's try this next."

Hand me that brown bag and build up that fire.

Considering what we've seen so far, this is very much the possibilty. I would point out that it goes to show that Gibbs moving on came a total surprise. Some on ES have speculated that Danny pushed Gibbs out, which clearly if he had...he'd be moving in a more definitive way towards the hire of the man he truly wanted.

I swear sometimes I'm embarrassed by the idiots who like me call themselves Redskins fans.

No, really. I think I've got this figured out his time. We are set. Trust me.

 

[redman]

Now, the famous Andyman on ES says the media knows absolutely nothing right now and that this chaos is unfounded and purely media-driven. Maybe there's something to that. I find it hard to believe, but who knows. The fact remains that this organization continues to defy convention and they think they're looking smart in doing it. It's embarrassing.

Andyman = Karl Swanson, in the team's PR/marketing dept. All you'll get from him is the company line here.

Confirmed?

That's long been the speculation and it's pretty much universally accepted in the ES world.

Andyman = Karl Swanson, in the team's PR/marketing dept. All you'll get from him is the company line here.

Regardless, the rest of the press is pretty much COMPLETELY in the dark and he's got the inside word, not just speculation. Company line or not, it's more than what we hear from the likes of Schefter.That said, I just read his only relevant post since his absence and I got nothing out of it

I finally went and read his post, and frankly found his assertions laughable:

"Here is my Buddy's take on everything he has heard: Expect total upheaval again with the Redskins. The coaches will all go if Williams goes""

Not true.

Oh I see - so the team has actually gone and asked everyone on the staff whether they'd stay or go if GW isn't promoted to head coach, regardless of any impressions that might give about the team's intentions? And even if the team actually did this and got everyone's agreement to stay, what value is that guarantee if the new head coach wants to bring in his own people . . . the team will let the new head coach bring in his own people right?

 

[Bizkiteer]

I'm going to venture a wild guess here: with Snyder and Cerrato there has been no plan beyond: "let's try this next."

And here we are, Redskin nation, all riding in the back seat, with Dan at the wheel and Vinny riding shotgun. We're in a swamp, we hear mud slopping and tires spinning, and one of them is saying "let's try this next."

Hand me that brown bag and build up that fire.

Considering what we've seen so far, this is very much the possibilty. I would point out that it goes to show that Gibbs moving on came a total surprise. Some on ES have speculated that Danny pushed Gibbs out, which clearly if he had...he'd be moving in a more definitive way towards the hire of the man he truly wanted.

I swear sometimes I'm embarrassed by the idiots who like me call themselves Redskins fans.

No, really. I think I've got this figured out his time. We are set. Trust me.

ok

 

[dgreen]

From JLC:

Coaching Update/Skins Rebuffed In Attempt To Land Another Offensive CoachFormer Coach Joe Gibbs began calling members of the staff today to update them on the coaching search, league sources said. Gibbs is telling the coaches that it could be several more weeks until a decision is made, apologizedfor how this has left them unsettled and for the process taking longer than they had hoped.The coaches will gather at Redskins Park next week to be given more information on what their duties will be in the interim and will meet individually with Gibbs.It had been 16 days since most coaches had been given any information from management whatsoever.League sources said the Redskins have also told other parties involved in this process that they anticipate expanding the process to include coaches involved in the Super Bowl and Jim Fassel, who emerged as the leading candidate this week, has been put on hold.The team was trying to assemble a staff around Fassel, guys they knew he could work well with, and hoped to make that hiring shortly, but several of the men they hoped to hire were blocked - including an attempt to lure San Diego QB coach John Ramsdell to interview for an offensive coordinator or QB coach job here, league sources said (Jason Reid will have more on that later; Ramsdell agreed to new 3-year deal with the Chargers today) - and others like Rex Ryan and Jim Zorn look like they are staying with their current teams. Fan reaction to Fassel has been intense, and the team has taken pause in the process.Steve Spaguolo and Josh McDaniels would be the names to watch among the Super Bowl coaches. Barring another drastic turn from Daniel Snyder, all indications coming from the braintrust point to us heading to February without a resolution. Lauren and the kids are going to love that.

Also, JLC says Ethan Albright has been added to the Pro Bowl roster. Can't wait to get my Ethan Albright #21 Pro Bowl jersey!

 

[buster c]

congrats to the most underappreciated Redskin - the big redhead!

has there been a bad snap since the Turk debacle in Tampa circa 1999?

 

[redman]

congrats to the most underappreciated Redskin - the big redhead!has there been a bad snap since the Turk debacle in Tampa circa 1999?

And congrats to the "Red Snapper" for having one of the best nicknames in football.

 

[TankRizzo]

OK, at this point you have to ask yourself WHY either Steve Spaguolo or Josh McDaniels would even want to interview for the job after the way this has been handled. You'd have to think that they're going to go the way of Mora Jr if they drag this out past the superbowl.

 

[southeastjerome]

From JLC:

Coaching Update/Skins Rebuffed In Attempt To Land Another Offensive CoachFormer Coach Joe Gibbs began calling members of the staff today to update them on the coaching search, league sources said. Gibbs is telling the coaches that it could be several more weeks until a decision is made, apologizedfor how this has left them unsettled and for the process taking longer than they had hoped.The coaches will gather at Redskins Park next week to be given more information on what their duties will be in the interim and will meet individually with Gibbs.It had been 16 days since most coaches had been given any information from management whatsoever.League sources said the Redskins have also told other parties involved in this process that they anticipate expanding the process to include coaches involved in the Super Bowl and Jim Fassel, who emerged as the leading candidate this week, has been put on hold.The team was trying to assemble a staff around Fassel, guys they knew he could work well with, and hoped to make that hiring shortly, but several of the men they hoped to hire were blocked - including an attempt to lure San Diego QB coach John Ramsdell to interview for an offensive coordinator or QB coach job here, league sources said (Jason Reid will have more on that later; Ramsdell agreed to new 3-year deal with the Chargers today) - and others like Rex Ryan and Jim Zorn look like they are staying with their current teams. Fan reaction to Fassel has been intense, and the team has taken pause in the process.Steve Spaguolo and Josh McDaniels would be the names to watch among the Super Bowl coaches. Barring another drastic turn from Daniel Snyder, all indications coming from the braintrust point to us heading to February without a resolution. Lauren and the kids are going to love that.

Also, JLC says Ethan Albright has been added to the Pro Bowl roster. Can't wait to get my Ethan Albright #21 Pro Bowl jersey!

Wow. So it looks like there is pause on Fassel. I guess that's good news. Maybe my email to the Redskins worked, you can all thank me later. And yes, Ethan Albright pro bowl jersey, that's about as good and obscure as it gets! I gots to get me one.

 

[Bizkiteer]

OK, at this point you have to ask yourself WHY either Steve Spaguolo or Josh McDaniels would even want to interview for the job after the way this has been handled. You'd have to think that they're going to go the way of Mora Jr if they drag this out past the superbowl.

Don't kid yourself, a young ambitious coach would jump at the opportunity to be a head coach. Add that the owner is willing to spend the money to get you whatever you want too...no brainer.

 

[TankRizzo]

\Don't kid yourself, a young ambitious coach would jump at the opportunity to be a head coach. Add that the owner is willing to spend the money to get you whatever you want too...no brainer.

Jim Mora Jr. (who the hell is he to scoff at any kind of job offer) pulled his name out of contention. Steve Spaguolo we MIGHT have a shot at depending on how long Couglin may want to hang around, but Josh McDaniels would have to be looney to take a job with the 'skins.

 

[fatness]

OK, at this point you have to ask yourself WHY either Steve Spaguolo or Josh McDaniels would even want to interview for the job after the way this has been handled. You'd have to think that they're going to go the way of Mora Jr if they drag this out past the superbowl.

Any coordinator or assistant coach in his right mind would want to interview with the Redskins. Not to get hired by them, but to get a fat salary offer he's "thinking seriously about" so his own team offers him a raise and/or future advancement to stay and do exactly what he was doing before. It has already paid dividends for Zorn and Mora, and possibly others.

 

[Bizkiteer]

\Don't kid yourself, a young ambitious coach would jump at the opportunity to be a head coach. Add that the owner is willing to spend the money to get you whatever you want too...no brainer.

Jim Mora Jr. (who the hell is he to scoff at any kind of job offer) pulled his name out of contention. Steve Spaguolo we MIGHT have a shot at depending on how long Couglin may want to hang around, but Josh McDaniels would have to be looney to take a job with the 'skins.

Mora Jr. has strong ties to the west/seattle area. Thus, his stupid comment about taking the Wash U job when he was in ATL. Add that it's already been rumored that he's next in line..considering Holmgren was possibly going to retire this year, but now looks to be next year. So, no real surprise there.

 

[Bizkiteer]

OK, at this point you have to ask yourself WHY either Steve Spaguolo or Josh McDaniels would even want to interview for the job after the way this has been handled. You'd have to think that they're going to go the way of Mora Jr if they drag this out past the superbowl.

Any coordinator or assistant coach in his right mind would want to interview with the Redskins. Not to get hired by them, but to get a fat salary offer he's "thinking seriously about" so his own team offers him a raise and/or future advancement to stay and do exactly what he was doing before. It has already paid dividends for Zorn and Mora, and possibly others.

Well, that sure has seemed to work for a few of them in the past several days.

 

[fatness]

Source Says Fassel Feels Manipulated

Former Washington Redskins coach Joe Gibbs called his former assistants yesterday to inform them that the search for his replacement is likely to take several more weeks, team sources said, a day after management's attempts to put together a staff for Jim Fassel, a head coaching candidate, collapsed.

Fassel had anticipated an offer from the Redskins on Wednesday, according to a source close to him, and earlier in the week discussed the framework of a contract with owner Daniel Snyder, something no other candidate has done.

Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, the team's executive vice president for football operations, spent Monday and Tuesday attempting to contact and interview assistant coaches Fassel wanted -- including Baltimore's Rex Ryan, Seattle's Jim Zorn and San Diego's John Ramsdell -- league sources said -- but contractual stipulations precluded all but Zorn from interviewing.

Public sentiment about Fassel was decidedly negative once his involvement was disclosed, and, after huddling with Cerrato, Snyder called Fassel on Wednesday night to tell him the team would extend the search until after the Super Bowl on Feb. 3.

Fassel, who was on the cusp of getting this position in 2004 before Gibbs was lured out of retirement, feels manipulated according to a source close to him, though Snyder could offer him the job after talking to other candidates.

Meanwhile, Snyder has not spoken to Williams, leader of his defense the past four seasons, in a week, league sources said, and Williams believes he is no longer a serious candidate

The inability to land his top-choice coordinators significantly weakened Fassel's position, with the Redskins becoming increasingly frustrated by league rules that limit contact with assistants who are under contract with other teams, according to a source who spoke to Cerrato.

Washington's staff has been dismayed by the way this search has unfolded, with many members venting to their peers this week during Senior Bowl practices in Mobile, Ala. Players continue to lobby for Williams, though several said they believe he would have been hired by now if Snyder and Cerrato truly wanted him. Many were shocked by Fassel's emergence.

Who else can they alienate?

 

[redman]

Who else can they alienate?

Watch and learn.

 

[fatness]

Czaban trashes Extremeskins

This is great. Reminds me of midget wrestling.

 

[fatness]

Who else can they alienate?

Watch and learn.

Well let's make a list: Gregg Williams, Al Saunders, Jim Fassel, their players, their coaches at the Senior Bowl, their coaches who stayed at Redskin Park. Anyone I missed?

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Who else can they alienate?

Watch and learn.

Well let's make a list: Gregg Williams, Al Saunders, Jim Fassel, their players, their coaches at the Senior Bowl, their coaches who stayed at Redskin Park. Anyone I missed?

not to mention how many million Redskins fans....

 

[Bizkiteer]

Czaban trashes Extremeskins

This is great. Reminds me of midget wrestling. :(

He actually brings up great points to part of why that board is not as special anymore.

 

[fatness]

Yeah, he does. When the team runs the board (Extremeskins) and runs their own broadcasts (Triple X radio) and runs their own "news" outlet (Redskins.com), it does stifle a good bit of criticism (valid or otherwise).

Reminds me of when Peter Angelos fired the best baseball announcer in the world, Jon Miller, because he wouldn't be an Orioles homer. That's when I stopped following baseball.

 

[fatness]

From PFT:

At a time when all signs seem to be pointing to the hiring of former Giants coach Jim Fassel to be the new head coach in Washington, the Associated Press reports that there could be other candidates who have not yet been interviewed. This likely means that owner Dan Snyder wants to visit with current Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, who isn't available to be interviewed until after the Super Bowl. Though it's also possible that the Redskins are waiting for Pats offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, he previously said that he won't be looking for any other gigs in 2008.

So why hasn't Fassel been hired? It could be that Snyder is sensitive to the backlash that already has popped up among fans. After all, they're the ones who buy the tickets and hats and jerseys. If they reject Fassel before he even has the job, it might not be the best move in customer relations to hire him. Snyder apparently recognized the possibility for local consternation over the potential hire of Fassel. Why else would he have been a "mystery candidate"? In our view, Snyder wanted to get a chance to assess Fassel on his own, without being consciously or subconsciously influenced by the opinions that began to flow as soon as Fassel's name got out.

Meanwhile, some league insiders wonder why Cardinals offensive line coach Russ Grimm hasn't gotten a sniff for the job. Last year, Grimm was a finalist for the Steelers job. This year, he has fallen off the face of the football earth. But if any team should have an interest in him, it would be the team with which he spent eleven NFL seasons.

 

[TankRizzo]

There was a thread on ES asking if we were the Raiders of the east. I scoffed at it at the time...but the painful truth of that thread is starting to set in. Ouch.

 

[Bizkiteer]

There was a thread on ES asking if we were the Raiders of the east. I scoffed at it at the time...but the painful truth of that thread is starting to set in. Ouch.

I guess the one difference is that Danny hasn't called down plays to run like Al has done.

 

[dgreen]

There was a thread on ES asking if we were the Raiders of the east. I scoffed at it at the time...but the painful truth of that thread is starting to set in. Ouch.

I guess the one difference is that Danny hasn't called down plays to run like Al has done.

Cerrato for HC!

 

[TankRizzo]

There was a thread on ES asking if we were the Raiders of the east. I scoffed at it at the time...but the painful truth of that thread is starting to set in. Ouch.

I guess the one difference is that Danny hasn't called down plays to run like Al has done.

oh, wait....

 

[redman]

There was a thread on ES asking if we were the Raiders of the east. I scoffed at it at the time...but the painful truth of that thread is starting to set in. Ouch.

I guess the one difference is that Danny hasn't called down plays to run like Al has done.

Hold on - I'm just trying to imagine the Danny in a sweat suit.

 

[Bizkiteer]

There was a thread on ES asking if we were the Raiders of the east. I scoffed at it at the time...but the painful truth of that thread is starting to set in. Ouch.

I guess the one difference is that Danny hasn't called down plays to run like Al has done.

Hold on - I'm just trying to imagine the Danny in a sweat suit.

I can tell you that he'd surely look better than Al at this point!

 

[Bizkiteer]

There was a thread on ES asking if we were the Raiders of the east. I scoffed at it at the time...but the painful truth of that thread is starting to set in. Ouch.

I guess the one difference is that Danny hasn't called down plays to run like Al has done.

oh, wait....

Ok, I'll get my ready. I promise that I will not cry and call it unfair when you say..."See!"

 

[phrozen]

There was a thread on ES asking if we were the Raiders of the east. I scoffed at it at the time...but the painful truth of that thread is starting to set in. Ouch.

Art Shell is available.The many emotions of Art Shell:

Art Shell getting the phone call from Synder:

Art Shell after getting the HC job:

Art Shell winning the $150 million lottery:

Art Shell winning the superbowl:

 

[TankRizzo]

Hold on - I'm just trying to imagine the Danny in a sweat suit.

So it would appear that Joe Gibbs has been called in to clean up Snyder's mess.

Updated my sig on ES since it looks like Fassel is out.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/Ta.../snyderlost.jpg

 

[dgreen]

Czaban trashes Extremeskins

This is great. Reminds me of midget wrestling.

So his problem is that the Rules and Regulations page is long and that there's a paragraph about varying degrees of punishment and they don't like aliases? Is that all he's got?Besides, who actually reads the Rules and Regulations?

 

[redman]

Czaban trashes Extremeskins

This is great. Reminds me of midget wrestling.

So his problem is that the Rules and Regulations page is long and that there's a paragraph about varying degrees of punishment and they don't like aliases? Is that all he's got?Besides, who actually reads the Rules and Regulations?

I honestly don't get the fascination with Czaben. The guy has some of the most obviously ridiculous takes that are meant to generate controversy, and people gobble it up. People get on Cowherd for that same stuff and he's 100x more intelligent with the way he'll pose a controversial take. Am I missing something here?

 

[Sidewinder16]

Czaban trashes Extremeskins

This is great. Reminds me of midget wrestling.

So his problem is that the Rules and Regulations page is long and that there's a paragraph about varying degrees of punishment and they don't like aliases? Is that all he's got?Besides, who actually reads the Rules and Regulations?

I honestly don't get the fascination with Czaben. The guy has some of the most obviously ridiculous takes that are meant to generate controversy, and people gobble it up. People get on Cowherd for that same stuff and he's 100x more intelligent with the way he'll pose a controversial take. Am I missing something here?

Sounds spot on to me.

 

[buster c]

Czaban trashes Extremeskins

This is great. Reminds me of midget wrestling.

So his problem is that the Rules and Regulations page is long and that there's a paragraph about varying degrees of punishment and they don't like aliases? Is that all he's got?Besides, who actually reads the Rules and Regulations?

I honestly don't get the fascination with Czaben. The guy has some of the most obviously ridiculous takes that are meant to generate controversy, and people gobble it up. People get on Cowherd for that same stuff and he's 100x more intelligent with the way he'll pose a controversial take. Am I missing something here?

Sounds spot on to me.

I love me some Czabe. Morning and evening. What is "spot on" actually is his take on Danny and his stooges. But I refuse to take refuge with him in Houston Texanistan

 

[Bizkiteer]

Czaban trashes Extremeskins

This is great. Reminds me of midget wrestling.

So his problem is that the Rules and Regulations page is long and that there's a paragraph about varying degrees of punishment and they don't like aliases? Is that all he's got?Besides, who actually reads the Rules and Regulations?

I honestly don't get the fascination with Czaben. The guy has some of the most obviously ridiculous takes that are meant to generate controversy, and people gobble it up. People get on Cowherd for that same stuff and he's 100x more intelligent with the way he'll pose a controversial take. Am I missing something here?

I'd say that when he first came onto the scene in the DC area, he was the BIGGEST homer. He brought the fans perspective, then it became odd later when he first started to bash the team.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

There was a thread on ES asking if we were the Raiders of the east. I scoffed at it at the time...but the painful truth of that thread is starting to set in. Ouch.

Art Shell is available.The many emotions of Art Shell:

Art Shell getting the phone call from Synder:

Art Shell after getting the HC job:

Art Shell winning the $150 million lottery:

Art Shell winning the superbowl:

I was taking a nice big sip of coffee as I was reading it, and ended up choking on it as opposed to spitting it all over my laptop screen here at work!

 

[redman]

There was a thread on ES asking if we were the Raiders of the east. I scoffed at it at the time...but the painful truth of that thread is starting to set in. Ouch.

Maybe we can hire Lane Kiffin.

 

[dgreen]

Any word on whether Redskins One is on its way to Oakland?

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Any word on whether Redskins One is on its way to Oakland?

This was my first thought when I saw the Kiffen thread. LOL

 

[scoobygang]

Hmm Czaban versus ExtremeSkins. That's kind of a reverse Sophie's Choice. The end of the movie would be me screaming to the Nazis, "Take them both! Take them both!"

 

[redman]

Hmm Czaban versus ExtremeSkins. That's kind of a reverse Sophie's Choice. The end of the movie would be me screaming to the Nazis, "Take them both! Take them both!"

 

[ATW22]

Hold on - I'm just trying to imagine the Danny in a sweat suit.

:X

So it would appear that Joe Gibbs has been called in to clean up Snyder's mess.

Updated my sig on ES since it looks like Fassel is out.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/Ta.../snyderlost.jpg

CLASSIC

 

[TeddyKGB]

ESPN reporting Zorn is the new OC?

edit: Done deal.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3214785

 

[redman]

ESPN reporting Zorn is the new OC?

edit: Done deal.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3214785

I can only hope that this means that Williams is the guy and that he approved this hire, because otherwise this is looking a lot like the beginning of a giant cluster- well, you get the idea.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

ESPN reporting Zorn is the new OC?

edit: Done deal.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3214785

Espn? Is this that same network that said Les Miles was headed to Michigan?

 

[Harjiran]

I can only hope that this means that Williams is the guy and that he approved this hire, because otherwise this is looking a lot like the beginning of a giant cluster- well, you get the idea.

Isn't Zorn one of the guys Fassel wanted? Could mean Fassel is on his way in. Or it could simply underscore Snyderato's idiocy in hiring an OC before the HC. I have a bad feeling about this whole thing.

 

[TeddyKGB]

I can only hope that this means that Williams is the guy and that he approved this hire, because otherwise this is looking a lot like the beginning of a giant cluster- well, you get the idea.

Isn't Zorn one of the guys Fassel wanted? Could mean Fassel is on his way in. Or it could simply underscore Snyderato's idiocy in hiring an OC before the HC. I have a bad feeling about this whole thing.

You're only getting this feeling now?