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****OFFICIAL**** 2008 Washington Redskins Off Season Thread! (1 Viewer)
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redman
Footballguy
Nothing more than speculation that accompanies every FA player or prospective coaching hire with the Redskins.
fatness
Footballguy
Hey, don't forget, there's a Wizards game tonight. Don't be surprised to see Danny and Spags at Verizon Center. I'll wager that Dan doesn't let Spags leave town without his signature on a contract. Kind of like Don Corleone's offer to the Johnny Fontane's bandleader, either your signature or your brains will be on this contract in 10 seconds. It's an offer you can't refuse.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
If Snyder makes a decision tonight, wouldn't you think that it has to be Spags? Would Snyder really shrug off Spags as he leaves his house and hire Fassel immediately. Here Snyder waited almost 2 weeks just to interview this guy after he was about to hire Fassel. Maybe I am naive, but I just don't see that. Then again, I guess nothing would shock me at this point.
Who's to say that the decision hasn't already been made and that what Spags and Danny are talking about now is the deal itself. Isn't that how they sign free agent players? Is the agent at La Casa d'Snyder?
dgreen
Footballguy
redman
Footballguy
Spags would be a good hire - I'd actually come out of this process happy (read "relieved") as he's the kind of guy that you hire to try to build a strong ten-year run around. If he thinks he can live with the staff pre-hired for him, then I'll defer to his better judgment.
redman
Footballguy
No joke - they may be introducing Spags there with Snyder as "the next/new head coach of the Redskins."
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
Another long interview [Ryan O'Halloran]
Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo is still interviewing for the Redskins vacant head coaching job at owner Dan Snyder's house in Potomac, a league source confirmed.
The source said the group met for 8 or 9 hours Tuesday night and started talking again this morning around 8 a.m.
One of Gregg Williams' interviews last month lasted nearly 12 hours.
Today marks the four-week mark of the search, which has included interviews with seven candidates. Some research about coordinators who get their first head coaching job -- they generally sign a four- or five-year contract worth $2 to $2.5 million per season.
I'll have more details when/if they become available although it appears my hope for a Thursday press conference is disappearing with every passing hour.
http://video1.washingtontimes.com/redskins/
UPDATED 6:08 p.m.
A source just chimed into David Elfin and said Spagnuolo, Snyder and Cerrato are still meeting as of 5:30 p.m.
UPDATE: 7:17 p.m.
ESPN is reporting that the interview has shifted from Snyder's house to Redskin Park. I take that as a sign that the interview is going well -- well enough that Spagnuolo wanted to check out the digs before going back to New Jersey.
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Well, it's a first time that they went from the house to the Park. Gentlemen, that might just be the icing on the cake!
Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo is still interviewing for the Redskins vacant head coaching job at owner Dan Snyder's house in Potomac, a league source confirmed.
The source said the group met for 8 or 9 hours Tuesday night and started talking again this morning around 8 a.m.
One of Gregg Williams' interviews last month lasted nearly 12 hours.
Today marks the four-week mark of the search, which has included interviews with seven candidates. Some research about coordinators who get their first head coaching job -- they generally sign a four- or five-year contract worth $2 to $2.5 million per season.
I'll have more details when/if they become available although it appears my hope for a Thursday press conference is disappearing with every passing hour.
http://video1.washingtontimes.com/redskins/
UPDATED 6:08 p.m.
A source just chimed into David Elfin and said Spagnuolo, Snyder and Cerrato are still meeting as of 5:30 p.m.
UPDATE: 7:17 p.m.
ESPN is reporting that the interview has shifted from Snyder's house to Redskin Park. I take that as a sign that the interview is going well -- well enough that Spagnuolo wanted to check out the digs before going back to New Jersey.
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Well, it's a first time that they went from the house to the Park. Gentlemen, that might just be the icing on the cake!
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Latest from the Times..
fatness
Footballguy
Bram has gone seriously downhill. Really, I used to like the guy when he was on WTEM. He seemed at that time to have decent connections with players and reported things straight. Since he's gotten married, had a kid, and gone to work for the Redskins he's gotten way too lapdog-gy to suit me.From an Extremeskins thread discussing a (softball) interview of Snyder by Bram Weinstein:
TankRizzo
Footballguy
He let Gregg dangle on the hook before giving him his walking papers for how long again? I wouldn't put anything past Snyder at this point. If Spags is the man though, I suspect he'll be the HC before he leaves town. If he leaves town without a deal I think the needle points back to Fassel again, at which point who knows how long he'll string him along. I wouldn't rule out Robiskie being named interim head coach until after mini camp.
fatness
Footballguy
Thanks. I was doing so well. But you've just undone years of therapy. I'm getting my bazooka.I wouldn't rule out Robiskie being named interim head coach until after mini camp.
buster c
Footballguy
Hawkeyeskin
Footballguy
I'm thinking you are correct!
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
From JLC
Posted at 1:03 AM ET, 02/ 7/2008
Late Nite Update
Here's what we got for now ... Still waiting to hear back from some people so will post thru the nite if need be.
New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo remained deep in talks with the Redskins regarding the team's head vacancy last night, his second day of meetings with owner Daniel Snyder. Spagnuolo spent Tuesday night and all of Wednesday with Snyder and executive vice president Vinny Cerrato.
Jim Fassel, who was nearly given the job two weeks ago, was also a finalist and was awaiting word from the team on a decision. League sources said that Fassel, former San Francisco Coach Steve Mariucci and Indianapolis defensive coordinator Ron Meeks anticipated that Snyder could contact them late last night with his decision as well, with the process winding down a month after Joe Gibbs resigned. (As of 1 a.m. those candidates had not heard from the team, league sources said).
Fassel remained hopeful and believed that he and Spagnuolo were the leading candidates, league sources said, while sources close to Spagnuolo said the coach, who led New York's defense in its stunning Super Bowl defeat of New England, was very enthused about his sessions with the team. League sources said Meeks and Mariucci were less optimistic about their chances and they sensed the decision would likely come down to Fassel or Spagnuolo.
The Redskins have most of their coaching staff in place and already selected new offensive and defensive coordinators before a head coach, an unusual situation but not a deterrent to the final candidates. The Giants do not want to lose Spagnuolo and were working on a counter-proposal to enhance his contract with them, league sources said.
Redskins Notes: The Redskins began creating cap space by renegotiating the contracts of guard Randy Thomas and end Andre Carter, league sources said. The team entered the off season $20 million over the 2008 salary cap and could restructure 12 contracts or more.
Posted at 1:03 AM ET, 02/ 7/2008
Late Nite Update
Here's what we got for now ... Still waiting to hear back from some people so will post thru the nite if need be.
New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo remained deep in talks with the Redskins regarding the team's head vacancy last night, his second day of meetings with owner Daniel Snyder. Spagnuolo spent Tuesday night and all of Wednesday with Snyder and executive vice president Vinny Cerrato.
Jim Fassel, who was nearly given the job two weeks ago, was also a finalist and was awaiting word from the team on a decision. League sources said that Fassel, former San Francisco Coach Steve Mariucci and Indianapolis defensive coordinator Ron Meeks anticipated that Snyder could contact them late last night with his decision as well, with the process winding down a month after Joe Gibbs resigned. (As of 1 a.m. those candidates had not heard from the team, league sources said).
Fassel remained hopeful and believed that he and Spagnuolo were the leading candidates, league sources said, while sources close to Spagnuolo said the coach, who led New York's defense in its stunning Super Bowl defeat of New England, was very enthused about his sessions with the team. League sources said Meeks and Mariucci were less optimistic about their chances and they sensed the decision would likely come down to Fassel or Spagnuolo.
The Redskins have most of their coaching staff in place and already selected new offensive and defensive coordinators before a head coach, an unusual situation but not a deterrent to the final candidates. The Giants do not want to lose Spagnuolo and were working on a counter-proposal to enhance his contract with them, league sources said.
Redskins Notes: The Redskins began creating cap space by renegotiating the contracts of guard Randy Thomas and end Andre Carter, league sources said. The team entered the off season $20 million over the 2008 salary cap and could restructure 12 contracts or more.
redman
Footballguy
Either that or they're waterboarding him. That poor, poor man.
I think Sally sums it up pretty good here...what says you redskin fans???
The Wrong Job for the Man
By Sally Jenkins of the Washington Post
Thursday, February 7, 2008
Fresh off a Super Bowl win, Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo might want to wait until another head coaching job pops up.
If Steve Spagnuolo's friends really care about him, they'll advise him not to go near the Redskins job. "Run," they'll tell him. "Run away, now, as fast as you can." They'll tell him that in the New York Giants he has wise owners and a principled general manager who treat their people right. They'll tell him that Daniel Snyder isn't really looking for a head coach, he just wants to hire another butler.
It's unclear how seriously Spagnuolo, the Giants' defensive coordinator still flushed from his Super Bowl triumph, is being considered for the Redskins' head coaching position. All we know is that Spagnuolo is the latest victim of those interminable, cigar-filled, 20-hour interviews. But frankly, if there's any considering to be done, it's Spagnuolo who should be doing it. He's the one who should carefully size up Snyder, not vice versa. A job offer from Snyder isn't exactly a shortcut to head coaching success. Actually, it's been known to set careers back years.
If Spagnuolo's friends care about him, they'll spare him that old saw, "Dan Snyder just wants to win." No, he doesn't. He just wants to run things. If Snyder really wanted to win, he'd have gone after a different guy in the Giants' organization years ago: General Manager Jerry Reese. Spagnuolo is the hot, exciting hire of the day, but Reese was the bigger figure in the Giants' success, though in a more mundane and less visible way. As usual, Snyder's impressed by all the wrong things.
The difference between the Giants and the Redskins at this moment is striking. The divisional cousins split their regular season games, and both fought for wild-card playoff berths. Yet they couldn't be more dissimilar when it comes to good judgment. The Giants reflect how close, and yet how far, the Redskins really are from being a successful franchise.
A year ago, Giants Coach Tom Coughlin was on the brink of being fired despite getting the team to the playoffs twice. Veteran players were frustrated. There were doubts about whether quarterback Eli Manning would fulfill his promise.
What did owners John Mara and Steve Tisch do? They trusted the counsel of Reese, the first-year GM they had promoted after 12-plus years of service in the personnel department.
Reese, in turn, trusted Coughlin enough to give him a one-year contract extension. He stood by Manning. And he refused to make wholesale roster changes. "It wasn't the right thing to do," he said. "The right thing to do was take care of personnel already on the roster."
Instead, Reese concentrated on the draft, and showed what a knowledgeable personnel man with an expert eye can do for a team. All eight of the rookies he selected would contribute to the Giants' Super Bowl run. Wide receiver Steve Smith in the second round from Southern California? Okay, that was a pretty easy pick. Not so easy were tight end Kevin Boss from Western Oregon in the fifth round, or running back Ahmad Bradshaw from Marshall in the seventh. Each made huge plays in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl. Then there was third-rounder Jay Alford from Penn State, whose spearing sack of Tom Brady with 25 seconds left all but cinched the victory. And those were just the stars of the class.
A total of 23 players drafted by Reese over the last few years are on the Giants' roster -- nearly half the team. David Tyree, who merely made one of the biggest catches in Super Bowl history, was a sixth-round pick in 2003. Two of the defensive linemen who made Spagnuolo look so brilliant, Justin Tuck (Notre Dame, third round, 2005) and Osi Umenyiora (Troy, second round, 2003), also were his picks.
Spagnuolo should consider all of that carefully, and then ask himself some questions:
Do you think for a moment Snyder would have retained Coughlin last year? (No. He would have fired him.)
Do you think Snyder would have stuck by Manning after three mediocre seasons? (No. He'd have traded him.)
Do you think for a moment that Snyder and his surrogate, Executive Vice President-Football Operations Vinny Cerrato, could have found the lower-round rookies who made such critical contributions in the Super Bowl? (Ha.)
If Spagnuolo is smart, he'll stay put with the Giants and learn as much as he can from them about how good upper management operates. Another, better head coaching job will come along in time, one in which his owner doesn't impose his assistant coaches on him, or tell him whom to play at quarterback.
It's a bitter shame to say this, given how much it surely pains local fans, but the truth is that Redskins Park is no place for someone with a bright future. It's too dark and dysfunctional. The phrase "coach killer" comes to mind. No good one, except possibly Joe Gibbs, has had a decent experience under Snyder, not Norv Turner, Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Al Saunders or Gregg Williams. Which is why the only people who seem to be realistically entertaining the job now are either those desperate to get back in the game, such as Jim Fassel and Steve Mariucci, or climbers looking for their first head coaching office.
There is a consistent, central weakness in the Redskins' organization that no coach can fix. It's Snyder's tycoon mentality, his assumption that he can purchase people and make them do what he wants, and if they displease him, discard them. His paycheck players and presto coaching solutions fail every time. The franchise is based on a series of extravagant bribes, not a dime of which has ever been spent on the qualities that made the Giants into Super Bowl champions, namely good faith, loyalty, patience, unity and, above all, belief in the leadership at the top.
"Believe!" the Giants defenders shouted at their teammates on the sideline as Manning and the offense took the field for the game-winning drive. Everyone believed. Mara and Tisch believed in Reese, who believed in Coughlin, who believed in the players, who believed back.
Who, at this point, believes in Snyder? Run, Spagnuolo. Run, as fast as you can.
The Wrong Job for the Man
By Sally Jenkins of the Washington Post
Thursday, February 7, 2008
Fresh off a Super Bowl win, Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo might want to wait until another head coaching job pops up.
If Steve Spagnuolo's friends really care about him, they'll advise him not to go near the Redskins job. "Run," they'll tell him. "Run away, now, as fast as you can." They'll tell him that in the New York Giants he has wise owners and a principled general manager who treat their people right. They'll tell him that Daniel Snyder isn't really looking for a head coach, he just wants to hire another butler.
It's unclear how seriously Spagnuolo, the Giants' defensive coordinator still flushed from his Super Bowl triumph, is being considered for the Redskins' head coaching position. All we know is that Spagnuolo is the latest victim of those interminable, cigar-filled, 20-hour interviews. But frankly, if there's any considering to be done, it's Spagnuolo who should be doing it. He's the one who should carefully size up Snyder, not vice versa. A job offer from Snyder isn't exactly a shortcut to head coaching success. Actually, it's been known to set careers back years.
If Spagnuolo's friends care about him, they'll spare him that old saw, "Dan Snyder just wants to win." No, he doesn't. He just wants to run things. If Snyder really wanted to win, he'd have gone after a different guy in the Giants' organization years ago: General Manager Jerry Reese. Spagnuolo is the hot, exciting hire of the day, but Reese was the bigger figure in the Giants' success, though in a more mundane and less visible way. As usual, Snyder's impressed by all the wrong things.
The difference between the Giants and the Redskins at this moment is striking. The divisional cousins split their regular season games, and both fought for wild-card playoff berths. Yet they couldn't be more dissimilar when it comes to good judgment. The Giants reflect how close, and yet how far, the Redskins really are from being a successful franchise.
A year ago, Giants Coach Tom Coughlin was on the brink of being fired despite getting the team to the playoffs twice. Veteran players were frustrated. There were doubts about whether quarterback Eli Manning would fulfill his promise.
What did owners John Mara and Steve Tisch do? They trusted the counsel of Reese, the first-year GM they had promoted after 12-plus years of service in the personnel department.
Reese, in turn, trusted Coughlin enough to give him a one-year contract extension. He stood by Manning. And he refused to make wholesale roster changes. "It wasn't the right thing to do," he said. "The right thing to do was take care of personnel already on the roster."
Instead, Reese concentrated on the draft, and showed what a knowledgeable personnel man with an expert eye can do for a team. All eight of the rookies he selected would contribute to the Giants' Super Bowl run. Wide receiver Steve Smith in the second round from Southern California? Okay, that was a pretty easy pick. Not so easy were tight end Kevin Boss from Western Oregon in the fifth round, or running back Ahmad Bradshaw from Marshall in the seventh. Each made huge plays in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl. Then there was third-rounder Jay Alford from Penn State, whose spearing sack of Tom Brady with 25 seconds left all but cinched the victory. And those were just the stars of the class.
A total of 23 players drafted by Reese over the last few years are on the Giants' roster -- nearly half the team. David Tyree, who merely made one of the biggest catches in Super Bowl history, was a sixth-round pick in 2003. Two of the defensive linemen who made Spagnuolo look so brilliant, Justin Tuck (Notre Dame, third round, 2005) and Osi Umenyiora (Troy, second round, 2003), also were his picks.
Spagnuolo should consider all of that carefully, and then ask himself some questions:
Do you think for a moment Snyder would have retained Coughlin last year? (No. He would have fired him.)
Do you think Snyder would have stuck by Manning after three mediocre seasons? (No. He'd have traded him.)
Do you think for a moment that Snyder and his surrogate, Executive Vice President-Football Operations Vinny Cerrato, could have found the lower-round rookies who made such critical contributions in the Super Bowl? (Ha.)
If Spagnuolo is smart, he'll stay put with the Giants and learn as much as he can from them about how good upper management operates. Another, better head coaching job will come along in time, one in which his owner doesn't impose his assistant coaches on him, or tell him whom to play at quarterback.
It's a bitter shame to say this, given how much it surely pains local fans, but the truth is that Redskins Park is no place for someone with a bright future. It's too dark and dysfunctional. The phrase "coach killer" comes to mind. No good one, except possibly Joe Gibbs, has had a decent experience under Snyder, not Norv Turner, Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Al Saunders or Gregg Williams. Which is why the only people who seem to be realistically entertaining the job now are either those desperate to get back in the game, such as Jim Fassel and Steve Mariucci, or climbers looking for their first head coaching office.
There is a consistent, central weakness in the Redskins' organization that no coach can fix. It's Snyder's tycoon mentality, his assumption that he can purchase people and make them do what he wants, and if they displease him, discard them. His paycheck players and presto coaching solutions fail every time. The franchise is based on a series of extravagant bribes, not a dime of which has ever been spent on the qualities that made the Giants into Super Bowl champions, namely good faith, loyalty, patience, unity and, above all, belief in the leadership at the top.
"Believe!" the Giants defenders shouted at their teammates on the sideline as Manning and the offense took the field for the game-winning drive. Everyone believed. Mara and Tisch believed in Reese, who believed in Coughlin, who believed in the players, who believed back.
Who, at this point, believes in Snyder? Run, Spagnuolo. Run, as fast as you can.
Sally Jenkins may write for the WaPo, but she still lives in New York City and she's her father's daughter. She's been a leading Snyder basher for a LONG time, and if truth be told, is strictly an affirmative action hire for the Post to show how enlightened their Sports Department is. Long ago Christine Brennan was the Skins beat reporter for the Post before she got all hung up on figure skating, Title IX and women's sports in general, and the Post has a long tradition of having women sports reporter. Jenkins is the first to actually get a column.
TankRizzo
Footballguy
that was about as fair and balanced as Fox News.
What of my statement aren't true?1. Sally Jenkins lives in New York2. Sally Jenkins is Dan Jenkins daughter3. Sally Jenkins has for a long time bashed Dan Snyder (haven't we all)4. Christine Brennan was a Post reporter and Skins beat writer during Gibbs 1, then went on to the Olympic beat and women's sports, but she never had a column5. Sally Jenkins is the first Post female reporte with a sports column.6. Sally Jenkins was an affirmative action hire (well maybe you've got me there...
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TankRizzo
Footballguy
I should have been more clear, I meant her article, not your post.What of my statement aren't true?1. Sally Jenkins lives in New York2. Sally Jenkins is Dan Jenkins daughter3. Sally Jenkins has for a long time bashed Dan Snyder (haven't we all)4. Christine Brennan was a Post reporter and Skins beat writer during Gibbs 1, then went on to the Olympic beat and women's sports, but she never had a column5. Sally Jenkins is the first Post female reporte with a sports column.6. Sally Jenkins was an affirmative action hire (well maybe you've got me there...
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buster c
Footballguy
you make a lot of statements, but the only relevant one is #3 - she bashes Snyder.Are your statements meant to discredit her column? Because she basically hits the nail on the head.What of my statement aren't true?1. Sally Jenkins lives in New York2. Sally Jenkins is Dan Jenkins daughter3. Sally Jenkins has for a long time bashed Dan Snyder (haven't we all)4. Christine Brennan was a Post reporter and Skins beat writer during Gibbs 1, then went on to the Olympic beat and women's sports, but she never had a column5. Sally Jenkins is the first Post female reporte with a sports column.6. Sally Jenkins was an affirmative action hire (well maybe you've got me there...)
redman
Footballguy
Think of the columnist who writes the most negatively, most consistently about the Dallas Cowboys. That's Sally Jenkins to the Redskins. She either writes negative about the team, or she writes about some other subject matter.
fatness
Footballguy
I highlighted the only relevant part of your post.
TankRizzo
Footballguy
dgreen
Footballguy
I guess Zorn did a similar thing and was still hired. Zorn left without a contract, but he probably left with a $ value in mind. He took that back to Seattle and the Seahawks wouldn't match, so Zorn is a Redskin. I guess the same thing could be happening with Spags. At least I hope so.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Welcome to the Fassel era my fellow 'Skins fans. At least this time not many of us should have high hopes of our new coach as we have had with the last few.
TankRizzo
Footballguy
Sadly, I think you are correct...
fatness
Footballguy
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maybe spags read sally and agreed...
not to worry skin fans....right around the time the team starts to learn the new coaches and system...out the door they will go...wash, rinse....repeat
on a side note...we dont have it much better in dallas with jj...good luck with whomever you get
not to worry skin fans....right around the time the team starts to learn the new coaches and system...out the door they will go...wash, rinse....repeat
on a side note...we dont have it much better in dallas with jj...good luck with whomever you get
fatness
Footballguy
TankRizzo
Footballguy
there goes the hopes of a turn around like what happened with Zorn.
Not surprisingly, a pure leverage play by Spags. Good for him.
Time to brace for Coach Fassel, who obviously hasn't an ounce of self-respect after being strung along for weeks and yet still sits obediently by Danny's dinner table waiting for scraps of Chef Boyardee from the Boy Blunder. Woo-hoo!
Time to brace for Coach Fassel, who obviously hasn't an ounce of self-respect after being strung along for weeks and yet still sits obediently by Danny's dinner table waiting for scraps of Chef Boyardee from the Boy Blunder. Woo-hoo!
