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****OFFICIAL 2008 Washington Redskins Thread**** (1 Viewer)
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fatness
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Detailed article on MVM about the performance of the Redskin DB's last year. Statistically they were quite good.
T Bell
Footballguy
"Ow, just, ow" is pretty much the motto for Ecker's Redskins career.
T Bell
Footballguy
This is great news. Davis didn't need a holdout after the oversleeping debacle, and the team now has no distractions and everyone reporting from Day 1 at camp. Nice.
nittanylion
Footballguy
I'm going to try to get out as much as possible. Price of Gas being what it is, having to travel from Rockville, MD to Redskins Park, especially sitting in rush hour traffic on the way home, is a daunting proposition...I'm going to have to find some excuses to stick around down there long enough to drive back when traffic eventually dies down...
...the flipside is that thanks to some quality connections, when I go, I'm going to have pretty much unlimited access, as far as that goes...
Here's what I'm willing to give a shot to, still have to work out the fine print.
I'll try to get down every Thursday, as it's my least busy weekday. I'll report back everything I see and hear. If I can make this a consistent thing, and the access I have winds up yielding quality info without compromising my friends within the Organization, I'll be willing to take some questions down with me.
...the flipside is that thanks to some quality connections, when I go, I'm going to have pretty much unlimited access, as far as that goes...
Here's what I'm willing to give a shot to, still have to work out the fine print.
I'll try to get down every Thursday, as it's my least busy weekday. I'll report back everything I see and hear. If I can make this a consistent thing, and the access I have winds up yielding quality info without compromising my friends within the Organization, I'll be willing to take some questions down with me.
southeastjerome
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The worst. This could be the last of Daniels career. As for Taylor, it goes without saying that he's a nice player, but if the skins give up anything more than a 3rd rounder for him, I'd be pretty annoyed. I really hope that they do not panic and rush into something here.
Sidewinder16
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Sidewinder16
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southeastjerome
Footballguy
I agree with redman on this...
fatness
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fatness
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buster c
Footballguy
this is a real good deal for the Skins. and the 'phins. with Carter at RDE and Taylor at LDE, the pass rush should be there. It might not be Mann & Manley, but it sure got a whole lot better today. the bad news is that Daniels is out, as he is a solid pro and locker room leader. he will be missed.
fatness
Footballguy
Balls with no zip.
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Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Not sure what Cerrato was thinking, but that's a pretty foolish statement to make, IMO.
Tyrion
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Why do you say that? I would bet money that Cerrato, or someone else in the organization, has talked with Taylor and he has said that he would play more than 1 season. I have been convinced all along that the 1 year statement was just a tool by Taylor to help him get out of Miami. I hate to see the skins get him. Its a good move and it makes the NFC east even tougher.Not sure what Cerrato was thinking, but that's a pretty foolish statement to make, IMO.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
What Jason Taylor, or anybody representing him, says doesn't matter one lick. This is the NFL. Players come and go (and sometimes they decide to come again). A 100% guarantee that Taylor will play this year, let alone next, is pushing it. Just ask Phillip Daniels.I'm not saying he can't and I'm not saying he won't. Maybe Cerrato is just being pie in the sky to make sure more people view the trade favorably. But 100% guarantees in the NFL are worth far less than the paper it takes to print them on. Also, comments like that from the guy who has to negotiate the contracts doesn't seem wise.Why do you say that? I would bet money that Cerrato, or someone else in the organization, has talked with Taylor and he has said that he would play more than 1 season. I have been convinced all along that the 1 year statement was just a tool by Taylor to help him get out of Miami. I hate to see the skins get him. Its a good move and it makes the NFC east even tougher.Not sure what Cerrato was thinking, but that's a pretty foolish statement to make, IMO.
Dexter Manley
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I disagree. If Vinny wasn't convinced that JTaylor is going to play at least 2 more years, he wouldn't have made the statement, let alone the trade. This is exactly the kind of thing he should say.What Jason Taylor, or anybody representing him, says doesn't matter one lick. This is the NFL. Players come and go (and sometimes they decide to come again). A 100% guarantee that Taylor will play this year, let alone next, is pushing it. Just ask Phillip Daniels.I'm not saying he can't and I'm not saying he won't. Maybe Cerrato is just being pie in the sky to make sure more people view the trade favorably. But 100% guarantees in the NFL are worth far less than the paper it takes to print them on. Also, comments like that from the guy who has to negotiate the contracts doesn't seem wise.Why do you say that? I would bet money that Cerrato, or someone else in the organization, has talked with Taylor and he has said that he would play more than 1 season. I have been convinced all along that the 1 year statement was just a tool by Taylor to help him get out of Miami. I hate to see the skins get him. Its a good move and it makes the NFC east even tougher.Not sure what Cerrato was thinking, but that's a pretty foolish statement to make, IMO.
Tyrion
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So you are saying the he shouldn't say that because Taylor might get injured? And what does it matter if he is the guy that negotiates contracts since they are not changing Taylor's contract and he is signed for 2 more years? Seems like a little negativity to me. Why would Taylor lie to them if he wants to retire? Why not just retire now? Has this all just been some big scheme put together by Taylor and Parcells to get some draft picks for the Dolphins? As a Cowboy fan I hope so but I think it is far more likely that Cerrato is correct.What Jason Taylor, or anybody representing him, says doesn't matter one lick. This is the NFL. Players come and go (and sometimes they decide to come again). A 100% guarantee that Taylor will play this year, let alone next, is pushing it. Just ask Phillip Daniels.I'm not saying he can't and I'm not saying he won't. Maybe Cerrato is just being pie in the sky to make sure more people view the trade favorably. But 100% guarantees in the NFL are worth far less than the paper it takes to print them on. Also, comments like that from the guy who has to negotiate the contracts doesn't seem wise.Why do you say that? I would bet money that Cerrato, or someone else in the organization, has talked with Taylor and he has said that he would play more than 1 season. I have been convinced all along that the 1 year statement was just a tool by Taylor to help him get out of Miami. I hate to see the skins get him. Its a good move and it makes the NFC east even tougher.Not sure what Cerrato was thinking, but that's a pretty foolish statement to make, IMO.
I disagree. If Vinny wasn't convinced that JTaylor is going to play at least 2 more years, he wouldn't have made the statement, let alone the trade. This is exactly the kind of thing he should say.What Jason Taylor, or anybody representing him, says doesn't matter one lick. This is the NFL. Players come and go (and sometimes they decide to come again). A 100% guarantee that Taylor will play this year, let alone next, is pushing it. Just ask Phillip Daniels.I'm not saying he can't and I'm not saying he won't. Maybe Cerrato is just being pie in the sky to make sure more people view the trade favorably. But 100% guarantees in the NFL are worth far less than the paper it takes to print them on. Also, comments like that from the guy who has to negotiate the contracts doesn't seem wise.Why do you say that? I would bet money that Cerrato, or someone else in the organization, has talked with Taylor and he has said that he would play more than 1 season. I have been convinced all along that the 1 year statement was just a tool by Taylor to help him get out of Miami. I hate to see the skins get him. Its a good move and it makes the NFC east even tougher.Not sure what Cerrato was thinking, but that's a pretty foolish statement to make, IMO.
With the direction the team has taken this year it makes no sense to sign Taylor if they think he is going to be here one year only. They have to know they will get him for at least two years.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
I agree it makes no sense and I have no doubt that everyone involved would like Taylor to play out his contract. But a 100% guarantee of anything happening in 2009 is a ridiculous statement. You won't convince me otherwise.A year ago every one of us would have guaranteed that Gibbs would have completed his contract, because he was saying he would. After everything that went on last year I would think more 'Skins fans would be aware that one season is a near eternity in the NFL, and a lot will happen between now and week 1 of 2009*. Nothing is guaranteed for 2009.I disagree. If Vinny wasn't convinced that JTaylor is going to play at least 2 more years, he wouldn't have made the statement, let alone the trade. This is exactly the kind of thing he should say.What Jason Taylor, or anybody representing him, says doesn't matter one lick. This is the NFL. Players come and go (and sometimes they decide to come again). A 100% guarantee that Taylor will play this year, let alone next, is pushing it. Just ask Phillip Daniels.I'm not saying he can't and I'm not saying he won't. Maybe Cerrato is just being pie in the sky to make sure more people view the trade favorably. But 100% guarantees in the NFL are worth far less than the paper it takes to print them on. Also, comments like that from the guy who has to negotiate the contracts doesn't seem wise.Why do you say that? I would bet money that Cerrato, or someone else in the organization, has talked with Taylor and he has said that he would play more than 1 season. I have been convinced all along that the 1 year statement was just a tool by Taylor to help him get out of Miami. I hate to see the skins get him. Its a good move and it makes the NFC east even tougher.Not sure what Cerrato was thinking, but that's a pretty foolish statement to make, IMO.
*ETA: Shoot, after the events of yesterday (forget 2007) I can't believe anyone would want to 100% guarantee something for 2009.
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Bizkiteer
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Good move IMO. Don't care for the price tag, but %'s of 2nd rounder panning out or producing soon enough is just a shakey. Taylor is arguably the best DE in the game...his presence in the lineup will help Carter, but more importantly the secondary. Smart move...look forward to our DL actually putting some pressure on the opposing QB's for once. 
fatness
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buster c
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the price tag seems fair. after all, we spend 2nd round picks on border line TE prospects when we have an all-pro manning the position already...Bizkiteer said:Good move IMO. Don't care for the price tag, but %'s of 2nd rounder panning out or producing soon enough is just a shakey. Taylor is arguably the best DE in the game...his presence in the lineup will help Carter, but more importantly the secondary. Smart move...look forward to our DL actually putting some pressure on the opposing QB's for once.
T Bell
Footballguy
Fred Davis is more than borderline, though your point is otherwise valid. I'm warming to the move, but I've still got concerns about Taylor's suitability to the left side of the line, which is usually where the big DE's play.the price tag seems fair. after all, we spend 2nd round picks on border line TE prospects when we have an all-pro manning the position already...Bizkiteer said:Good move IMO. Don't care for the price tag, but %'s of 2nd rounder panning out or producing soon enough is just a shakey. Taylor is arguably the best DE in the game...his presence in the lineup will help Carter, but more importantly the secondary. Smart move...look forward to our DL actually putting some pressure on the opposing QB's for once.
buster c
Footballguy
I recall reading in several places after the draft (sorry-no links) that Sleepy Davis was a reach. He could be the next John Mackey, but when so-called experts say he won't amount to anything, I'd call it borderline. Meanwhile, JTaylor is younger than the man he'll replace. I am normally the first to berate the team for its poor player acquisitions since little danny took over, but this one is a solid move.Fred Davis is more than borderline, though your point is otherwise valid. I'm warming to the move, but I've still got concerns about Taylor's suitability to the left side of the line, which is usually where the big DE's play.the price tag seems fair. after all, we spend 2nd round picks on border line TE prospects when we have an all-pro manning the position already...Bizkiteer said:Good move IMO. Don't care for the price tag, but %'s of 2nd rounder panning out or producing soon enough is just a shakey. Taylor is arguably the best DE in the game...his presence in the lineup will help Carter, but more importantly the secondary. Smart move...look forward to our DL actually putting some pressure on the opposing QB's for once.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Zorn's media address after the AM practice had an insightful nugget on Colt Brennan. Zorn was deliberate in giving Brennan some praise, but it's clear by his other comments that Brennan has a looonnngg way to go still before he's NFL-ready.
T Bell
Footballguy
I like Zorn. He's handled his public speaking role better with repetition - that first press conference when he was hired was awkward, but now his enthusiasm and openness are refreshing after four years of Gibbs playing everything so close to the vest and using the same old cliches ("super smart" ).
The other guy who I like because he seems intelligent and outgoing, but also doesn't seem full of himself is Malcolm Kelly. I have high hopes for him.
).The other guy who I like because he seems intelligent and outgoing, but also doesn't seem full of himself is Malcolm Kelly. I have high hopes for him.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
I think we got good value, but would be jumping and hitting the ceiling if it had been a 3rd rounder. Glad Jason will be wearing the B & G and look foward to seeing JT & AC reekin' havoc in the back fields...I recall reading in several places after the draft (sorry-no links) that Sleepy Davis was a reach. He could be the next John Mackey, but when so-called experts say he won't amount to anything, I'd call it borderline. Meanwhile, JTaylor is younger than the man he'll replace. I am normally the first to berate the team for its poor player acquisitions since little danny took over, but this one is a solid move.Fred Davis is more than borderline, though your point is otherwise valid. I'm warming to the move, but I've still got concerns about Taylor's suitability to the left side of the line, which is usually where the big DE's play.the price tag seems fair. after all, we spend 2nd round picks on border line TE prospects when we have an all-pro manning the position already...Bizkiteer said:Good move IMO. Don't care for the price tag, but %'s of 2nd rounder panning out or producing soon enough is just a shakey. Taylor is arguably the best DE in the game...his presence in the lineup will help Carter, but more importantly the secondary. Smart move...look forward to our DL actually putting some pressure on the opposing QB's for once.
T Bell
Footballguy
The issue with Davis is not his talent, it's his focus/drive. That's why that oversleeping thing was particularly galling. But he's got all the talent that, for example, Cooley has if he puts it all together.I think we got good value, but would be jumping and hitting the ceiling if it had been a 3rd rounder. Glad Jason will be wearing the B & G and look foward to seeing JT & AC reekin' havoc in the back fields...I recall reading in several places after the draft (sorry-no links) that Sleepy Davis was a reach. He could be the next John Mackey, but when so-called experts say he won't amount to anything, I'd call it borderline. Meanwhile, JTaylor is younger than the man he'll replace. I am normally the first to berate the team for its poor player acquisitions since little danny took over, but this one is a solid move.Fred Davis is more than borderline, though your point is otherwise valid. I'm warming to the move, but I've still got concerns about Taylor's suitability to the left side of the line, which is usually where the big DE's play.the price tag seems fair. after all, we spend 2nd round picks on border line TE prospects when we have an all-pro manning the position already...Bizkiteer said:Good move IMO. Don't care for the price tag, but %'s of 2nd rounder panning out or producing soon enough is just a shakey. Taylor is arguably the best DE in the game...his presence in the lineup will help Carter, but more importantly the secondary. Smart move...look forward to our DL actually putting some pressure on the opposing QB's for once.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
What? You don't miss hearing "he played his guts out" in every post game presser?
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
I agree, it is worisome and hope that it is not a sign of things to come. He's got talent, it's the drive that is surely questionable.The issue with Davis is not his talent, it's his focus/drive. That's why that oversleeping thing was particularly galling. But he's got all the talent that, for example, Cooley has if he puts it all together.I think we got good value, but would be jumping and hitting the ceiling if it had been a 3rd rounder. Glad Jason will be wearing the B & G and look foward to seeing JT & AC reekin' havoc in the back fields...I recall reading in several places after the draft (sorry-no links) that Sleepy Davis was a reach. He could be the next John Mackey, but when so-called experts say he won't amount to anything, I'd call it borderline. Meanwhile, JTaylor is younger than the man he'll replace. I am normally the first to berate the team for its poor player acquisitions since little danny took over, but this one is a solid move.Fred Davis is more than borderline, though your point is otherwise valid. I'm warming to the move, but I've still got concerns about Taylor's suitability to the left side of the line, which is usually where the big DE's play.the price tag seems fair. after all, we spend 2nd round picks on border line TE prospects when we have an all-pro manning the position already...Bizkiteer said:Good move IMO. Don't care for the price tag, but %'s of 2nd rounder panning out or producing soon enough is just a shakey. Taylor is arguably the best DE in the game...his presence in the lineup will help Carter, but more importantly the secondary. Smart move...look forward to our DL actually putting some pressure on the opposing QB's for once.
fatness
Footballguy
I won't think that there's an issue with his focus or drive until we're at least several weeks into training camp and we start hearing it from "unnamed sources" within the Redskins. The oversleeping thing is overblown.
T Bell
Footballguy
I thought that this was an interesting approach to expectations during Zorn's first year, though I don't agree with all of his conclusions.
fatness
Footballguy
It seems like, in that analysis, a lot depended on the QB the first-year coach had. So that's pretty much what we generally think about this year's Redskins --- a lot will depend on Jason Campbell.
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