Manster
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i'll send him your regards.i'm sure we can agree that we are both HUGE browns fans tonite!
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****OFFICIAL 2008 Washington Redskins Thread**** (1 Viewer)
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T Bell
Footballguy
That I can get behind.
fatness
Footballguy
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
T Bell
Footballguy
No(t yet), but they're bringing in punters this week for tryouts too.Did Green Bay release him?
Unfortunately he's punting for Green Bay now, and doing a pretty good job.
fatness
Footballguy
I might be misinformed. My son was checking at lunchtime at work and said he had been released. Apparently not.Did Green Bay release him?
I also heard conflicting things about Brooks:That Cerrato said he would not be kicking this Sunday.
That the Redskins were working on an injury settlement with him.
That they were bringing in 2 punters for tryouts.
(Later in the day) that perhaps they had changed their mind about releasing Brooks.
buster c
Footballguy
are you a coward in real life too? where were you 2 weeks ago after your cowgirls tasted defeat to the skins - was it past your bed time?
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
dgreen
Footballguy
They have to find a way to get the ball back in Moss' hands. Quick hooks or WR screens should help open things back up for him down field.
It will be interesting to see what happens with the ground game without Betts. Will Cartwright get most of Betts' carries? Does Portis carry even a larger load? Does Sellers finally get in the mix? Or, will Shaun Alexander (or some other FA) be the primary backup?
It will be interesting to see what happens with the ground game without Betts. Will Cartwright get most of Betts' carries? Does Portis carry even a larger load? Does Sellers finally get in the mix? Or, will Shaun Alexander (or some other FA) be the primary backup?
dgreen
Footballguy
Horton is spending a lot of time in the box and has great instincts against the run. He's a solid tackler, too.
fatness
Footballguy
980 said this morning they'll be talking to Alexander today.
T Bell
Footballguy
I'd much rather resign Marcus Mason off of the Ravens practice squad. Alexander is old, washed up, slow, can't block and can't catch. Great, he knows the playbook. WTF good is that going to do for us?
T Bell
Footballguy
JLC is good at reporting what others tell him, but he's no football analyst.
dgreen
Footballguy
I was wondering about that. How does that work?
dgreen
Footballguy
Does that take some sort of skill?JLC is good at reporting what others tell him, but he's no football analyst.
fatness
Footballguy
I'd rather give Mason a shot, too. A few young "nobodies" on a team does surprising things for morale, and every once in awhile you end up with a Chris Horton.edit: How is Mason's blocking? If he can't block then I take back what I said.I'd much rather resign Marcus Mason off of the Ravens practice squad. Alexander is old, washed up, slow, can't block and can't catch. Great, he knows the playbook. WTF good is that going to do for us?
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T Bell
Footballguy
Like every young RB, that's a weakness, but if he can catch and run the ball with some burst, that's two big advantages he has over Alexander at this stage of Alexander's career. Actually, Alexander wasn't known as a good pass blocker in his own right anyway.I'd rather give Mason a shot, too. A few young "nobodies" on a team does surprising things for morale, and every once in awhile you end up with a Chris Horton.edit: How is Mason's blocking? If he can't block then I take back what I said.I'd much rather resign Marcus Mason off of the Ravens practice squad. Alexander is old, washed up, slow, can't block and can't catch. Great, he knows the playbook. WTF good is that going to do for us?
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dgreen
Footballguy
I've never considered Betts a good blocker, so it may not be a huge drop even if Mason isn't very good. Then again, my view of Betts may be biased based on being spoiled by Portis and that Betts used to be a poor blocker. It's possible he's improved and I just haven't taken notice.I'd rather give Mason a shot, too. A few young "nobodies" on a team does surprising things for morale, and every once in awhile you end up with a Chris Horton.edit: How is Mason's blocking? If he can't block then I take back what I said.I'd much rather resign Marcus Mason off of the Ravens practice squad. Alexander is old, washed up, slow, can't block and can't catch. Great, he knows the playbook. WTF good is that going to do for us?
T Bell
Footballguy
Betts has IMHO gone from "poor" to "adequate" as a blocker. He's certainly not anything like Portis, but he has been able to interfere witih pass rushers and buy Campbell some time.dgreen said:I've never considered Betts a good blocker, so it may not be a huge drop even if Mason isn't very good. Then again, my view of Betts may be biased based on being spoiled by Portis and that Betts used to be a poor blocker. It's possible he's improved and I just haven't taken notice.fatness said:I'd rather give Mason a shot, too. A few young "nobodies" on a team does surprising things for morale, and every once in awhile you end up with a Chris Horton.edit: How is Mason's blocking? If he can't block then I take back what I said.Tatum Bell said:I'd much rather resign Marcus Mason off of the Ravens practice squad. Alexander is old, washed up, slow, can't block and can't catch. Great, he knows the playbook. WTF good is that going to do for us?fatness said:
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
T Bell
Footballguy
Is Omar Stoutmire still available? Lost amidst the injuries at S and RB is that Samuels left the game for a while with a knee injury of some kind. That could be a real mess for the team if that ends up being a lingering issue.
First name that I thought of was Vernon Fox.
Actually, Zorn kept most of the Gibbs running offense. So Alexander should be familiar with the passing game, he may not know the running offense that well. Mason will know the playbook much better.Tatum Bell said:I'd much rather resign Marcus Mason off of the Ravens practice squad. Alexander is old, washed up, slow, can't block and can't catch. Great, he knows the playbook. WTF good is that going to do for us?fatness said:
T Bell
Footballguy
Actually, Zorn kept most of the Gibbs running offense. So Alexander should be familiar with the passing game, he may not know the running offense that well. Mason will know the playbook much better.Tatum Bell said:I'd much rather resign Marcus Mason off of the Ravens practice squad. Alexander is old, washed up, slow, can't block and can't catch. Great, he knows the playbook. WTF good is that going to do for us?fatness said:
I'd forgotten about that detail.I'd honestly rather TJ Duckett than SA.
T Bell
Footballguy
He's on the Broncos active roster.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
No. In addition to his hearing problem he has some partial paralysis in or near a foot, if I'm remembering correctly what I heard on 980 this afternoon.
fatness
Footballguy
I was worried about that as well, but Samuels never even went for an MRI because he didn't think it was anything to worry about.
T Bell
Footballguy
Thanks. I hadn't heard that. That's excellent news.
fatness
Footballguy
ESPN980 actually has a lot more Redskin coverage now. Frank Hanrahan is their beat reporter, and they have several shows each day discussing the Redskins for some of their duration. Here's the Link, you can listen online. You know, when you're litigating and stuff.
"A brief recess, Your Honor. Czaban is on a roll and Hanrahan is coming up next."
"A brief recess, Your Honor. Czaban is on a roll and Hanrahan is coming up next."
T Bell
Footballguy
ESPN980 actually has a lot more Redskin coverage now. Frank Hanrahan is their beat reporter, and they have several shows each day discussing the Redskins for some of their duration. Here's the Link, you can listen online. You know, when you're litigating and stuff.
"A brief recess, Your Honor. Czaban is on a roll and Hanrahan is coming up next."
I'm not sure I would expect the Skins to win or lose any game by double-digits this year.
dgreen
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
This seems like a good place to post this. 
Tony Womo Out Three To Four Weeks With Bwoken Widdle Fingey
Tony Womo Out Three To Four Weeks With Bwoken Widdle Fingey
buster c
Footballguy
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...ml?hpid=topnews
I loath Sally Jenkins, but she loves Jimmy Z
First-Class at Coach
By Sally Jenkins
Thursday, October 16, 2008; E01
Anyone who has seen the Redskins play six games this season has seen enough -- enough to know that they aren't over-hyped, enough to know the evidence suggests they can travel high and wide, and enough to know the reason is Coach Jim Zorn. At the risk of shocking Dan Snyder, your heroine would like to make an announcement: I'm jumping on the Redskins bandwagon -- and doing it coming off a loss.
That's how much I like the new guy, and everyone knows I haven't liked much about the Redskins the last few years, especially the management of Snyder. But he deserves praise, in elegant and intelligent language, for a smart hire in Zorn, who in the space of six games has proven as credible as he is likable. He's astute, tactically exciting, and he makes people believe. Under another coach it would be tempting to write the Redskins off as inevitably mediocre after a loss like last Sunday's to the previously winless Rams, 19-17. But Zorn has done something that didn't seem possible, which is to get the organization working together in a coherent, functional way. Whatever the problem is, you get the feeling that he'll fix it.
The whole of the Redskins' performance over a half-dozen games suggests that the Rams loss was the fluke, and not the other way around. The Redskins would have been happy to split their road games with Dallas and Philadelphia to wind up 4-2. But they got there in a much more interesting if confusing way: They won both, and then lost to one of the worst teams on the schedule. Which results more accurately reflect who they are? The positive ones. Without being too wildly optimistic, this is a substantive team.
Every important cumulative statistical category says so. Starting with time of possession, which is essentially a measure of their physical control: The Redskins have held the ball for more than five minutes longer per game than their opponents. They've gained 123 first downs to 99, and converted on four out of five fourth-down attempts, a testament to Zorn's calculation. Their 13 touchdowns have come with a near ideal balance of run and pass, six on the ground and seven in the air.
Above all, the Redskins do two things that signify a quality team. First, they run the ball down the opposition's throat -- better, in fact, than they ever did under the determinedly grinding Joe Gibbs, thanks to Clinton Portis's league-leading efforts. Second, they checkmate prolific offenses: They've beaten four of the five top passers, by yardage, in the league in Drew Brees of New Orleans, Kurt Warner of Arizona, Tony Romo of Dallas and Donovan McNabb of Philadelphia.
The Rams loss was a setback, but the fact is that some teams are more desperate than others from week to week in the NFL, and the close games are decided by emotional edge. The Redskins were due for a letdown upset after getting through the toughest-seeming part of their schedule 4-1, especially when they decided that 4-1 was actually 7-1. Meanwhile, the Rams were starved for a victory.
Apparently Zorn saw danger signs in a couple of practice sessions late last week, and so did Portis, who shares his coach's habitual emotional honesty. "The headlines got good, and guys started high-fivin'," Portis said. "Maybe we were thinking we have three games here that we can win. We hadn't thought ahead like that until this week."
Something similar happened to the Giants on Monday night against the Cleveland Browns. The Giants were unbeaten, the Browns were clawing for their existence, and guess who got walloped. "You can't go out and play at that level every week," injured Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora said on ESPN. "Every once in a while there's going to be a lapse. They just ran into a team that was a little bit more determined to get a win."
After several seasons of fighting to get above .500, it's dangerous to label anything the Redskins do a mere "lapse" as opposed to a trend. The Redskins still have weaknesses that will take more than a single season to cure, chiefly a lack of depth, and they have a dangerous opponent this week in the Browns, who are on a two-game run.
But this much we know: how Zorn and the Redskins behaved the last time they suffered a sky-is-falling loss. After their dreadful opener against the Giants, a mortifying occasion for Zorn, I wrote them off prematurely, and was wrong. What I didn't reckon on was Zorn's combination of guts and flexibility: He absorbed the pressure without imploding, made strategic adjustments to help his young quarterback, Jason Campbell, with whom he's been unrelentingly demanding yet never downbeat, worked seamlessly and blamelessly with defensive coordinator Greg Blache, and maintained the confidence of his team.
There's something incurably frank about Zorn. He thinks aloud and wears his emotions on his sleeve. But as guileless as he is off the field, that's how guileful he is with a headset on. If the Redskins are a better team than in recent years, it's because they've hit on an infectious leader and absolutely superb play-caller who is shielding their deficiencies while showcasing their strengths. It's a fascinating thing to watch: Other teams know they should be able to attack the offensive line, pressure Campbell, and bottle up Portis, but they can't, because Zorn keeps them guessing so much.
Zorn makes everything easier, and everybody more confident, which is the surest sign of a good coach. Yes, it's perilous to make long-term predictions about the Redskins, whether positive or negative. As my friend Mike Wilbon warns, it's silly to make the "grandest of declarations after each football Sunday." I've done it before, and been boldly wrong. But I'm comfortable making this one about Zorn: It looks like the man who can get it done is finally in the house.
I loath Sally Jenkins, but she loves Jimmy Z
First-Class at Coach
By Sally Jenkins
Thursday, October 16, 2008; E01
Anyone who has seen the Redskins play six games this season has seen enough -- enough to know that they aren't over-hyped, enough to know the evidence suggests they can travel high and wide, and enough to know the reason is Coach Jim Zorn. At the risk of shocking Dan Snyder, your heroine would like to make an announcement: I'm jumping on the Redskins bandwagon -- and doing it coming off a loss.
That's how much I like the new guy, and everyone knows I haven't liked much about the Redskins the last few years, especially the management of Snyder. But he deserves praise, in elegant and intelligent language, for a smart hire in Zorn, who in the space of six games has proven as credible as he is likable. He's astute, tactically exciting, and he makes people believe. Under another coach it would be tempting to write the Redskins off as inevitably mediocre after a loss like last Sunday's to the previously winless Rams, 19-17. But Zorn has done something that didn't seem possible, which is to get the organization working together in a coherent, functional way. Whatever the problem is, you get the feeling that he'll fix it.
The whole of the Redskins' performance over a half-dozen games suggests that the Rams loss was the fluke, and not the other way around. The Redskins would have been happy to split their road games with Dallas and Philadelphia to wind up 4-2. But they got there in a much more interesting if confusing way: They won both, and then lost to one of the worst teams on the schedule. Which results more accurately reflect who they are? The positive ones. Without being too wildly optimistic, this is a substantive team.
Every important cumulative statistical category says so. Starting with time of possession, which is essentially a measure of their physical control: The Redskins have held the ball for more than five minutes longer per game than their opponents. They've gained 123 first downs to 99, and converted on four out of five fourth-down attempts, a testament to Zorn's calculation. Their 13 touchdowns have come with a near ideal balance of run and pass, six on the ground and seven in the air.
Above all, the Redskins do two things that signify a quality team. First, they run the ball down the opposition's throat -- better, in fact, than they ever did under the determinedly grinding Joe Gibbs, thanks to Clinton Portis's league-leading efforts. Second, they checkmate prolific offenses: They've beaten four of the five top passers, by yardage, in the league in Drew Brees of New Orleans, Kurt Warner of Arizona, Tony Romo of Dallas and Donovan McNabb of Philadelphia.
The Rams loss was a setback, but the fact is that some teams are more desperate than others from week to week in the NFL, and the close games are decided by emotional edge. The Redskins were due for a letdown upset after getting through the toughest-seeming part of their schedule 4-1, especially when they decided that 4-1 was actually 7-1. Meanwhile, the Rams were starved for a victory.
Apparently Zorn saw danger signs in a couple of practice sessions late last week, and so did Portis, who shares his coach's habitual emotional honesty. "The headlines got good, and guys started high-fivin'," Portis said. "Maybe we were thinking we have three games here that we can win. We hadn't thought ahead like that until this week."
Something similar happened to the Giants on Monday night against the Cleveland Browns. The Giants were unbeaten, the Browns were clawing for their existence, and guess who got walloped. "You can't go out and play at that level every week," injured Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora said on ESPN. "Every once in a while there's going to be a lapse. They just ran into a team that was a little bit more determined to get a win."
After several seasons of fighting to get above .500, it's dangerous to label anything the Redskins do a mere "lapse" as opposed to a trend. The Redskins still have weaknesses that will take more than a single season to cure, chiefly a lack of depth, and they have a dangerous opponent this week in the Browns, who are on a two-game run.
But this much we know: how Zorn and the Redskins behaved the last time they suffered a sky-is-falling loss. After their dreadful opener against the Giants, a mortifying occasion for Zorn, I wrote them off prematurely, and was wrong. What I didn't reckon on was Zorn's combination of guts and flexibility: He absorbed the pressure without imploding, made strategic adjustments to help his young quarterback, Jason Campbell, with whom he's been unrelentingly demanding yet never downbeat, worked seamlessly and blamelessly with defensive coordinator Greg Blache, and maintained the confidence of his team.
There's something incurably frank about Zorn. He thinks aloud and wears his emotions on his sleeve. But as guileless as he is off the field, that's how guileful he is with a headset on. If the Redskins are a better team than in recent years, it's because they've hit on an infectious leader and absolutely superb play-caller who is shielding their deficiencies while showcasing their strengths. It's a fascinating thing to watch: Other teams know they should be able to attack the offensive line, pressure Campbell, and bottle up Portis, but they can't, because Zorn keeps them guessing so much.
Zorn makes everything easier, and everybody more confident, which is the surest sign of a good coach. Yes, it's perilous to make long-term predictions about the Redskins, whether positive or negative. As my friend Mike Wilbon warns, it's silly to make the "grandest of declarations after each football Sunday." I've done it before, and been boldly wrong. But I'm comfortable making this one about Zorn: It looks like the man who can get it done is finally in the house.
T Bell
Footballguy
No, no - you should have posted this is thefatness said:This seems like a good place to post this.
Tony Womo Out Three To Four Weeks With Bwoken Widdle Fingey
Why is everyone picking on the Cowboys thread.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
I usually appreciate when someone can admit they were wrong, but her "confession" rings hollow to me. Her crush on Zorn is cute, but she was so quick to toss the whole organization, Zorn included, under the bus after week 1 that I can't trust anything she says. Give her a few more weeks and her tone and opinion is sure to change again.
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Sidewinder16
Footballguy
The Redskins' Lone Ranger
With Sean Taylor, LaRon Landry Once Formed a Cornerstone In the Secondary. Now He Must Become a Leader on His Own.
Still pisses me off, thinking about what could have been.
With Sean Taylor, LaRon Landry Once Formed a Cornerstone In the Secondary. Now He Must Become a Leader on His Own.
Still pisses me off, thinking about what could have been.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Oh god no....please let that thread die.No, no - you should have posted this is thefatness said:This seems like a good place to post this.
Tony Womo Out Three To Four Weeks With Bwoken Widdle Fingey
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T Bell
Footballguy
Crazy to think how much they could have disguised coverages with those two back there with their incredible range.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
The "We hadn't even started yet" is what eats at me the most. They were being touted as the best safety tandem in the league, and they hadn't even played a whole season together.Crazy to think how much they could have disguised coverages with those two back there with their incredible range.
Check out the DBs in the HoF. I don't think it would have taken ST more than 3 more years to have been considered a shoe-in. 5, tops. I gotta stop thinking about this or else I'm not going to get anything else done today.
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