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I'm a big fan of Tom so far and everything that I hear and read on the guy.

Simple toughness will be look of new Cowboys

By MAC ENGEL

[email protected]

Tom Ciskowski has a visual in mind.

When he closes his eyes, he can picture the player he wants to draft. He knows what he wants a Dallas Cowboy to look like.

The Cowboys’ second-year director of player personnel is telling Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones "I want to get tough [competitors] who are football players. They don’t care about the other stuff, and just want to play football. Guys who just play. Guys who are tough. Guys if they have a guy in front of them then I want them to help us on special teams right away."

Eschew the player who runs the 40 in a 4-point-whatever, squats 900 pounds and has the rest measurables in favor of a more grunt-ish pick. Scrap the guy who looks the part but can’t play the part; if you want to win an Academy Award you pick Kate Winslet, not Jessica Alba.

It’s no secret Cowboys general manager Jerry Jones likes the Alba types, but there are a lot of people at Valley Ranch pushing for the safer Winslet, almost Parcellsian pick.

Consistently, the most successful franchises in the NFL today — New England Patriots, Indianapolis Colts, Baltimore Ravens, Pittsburgh Steelers, Philadelphia Eagles etc. — all have created their own look for each player and pursue that person with a clear purpose. It’s not just the best player available but the best player available who fits their identity.

Exactly what is a Dallas Cowboy today?

It’s hard to call it an identity crisis, but two years of Wade Phillips and the look of a Cowboy appears undefined. If Ciskowski has his way, the 2009 Cowboys draft will have more than a hint of Parcells’ philosophy.

Ciskowski has devised a position-by-position set of characteristics he seeks for any player, and the consistent themes throughout every spot are willingness to work, and intelligence. It’s a value system where toughness is almost as important as talent. He is pushing in the direction of the increasingly popular, if slightly boring, tough-guy, fits our-mold football player.

"Every program that I’ve been in that has been successful, we’ve gone out and found football players," said first-year Kansas City Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, who had served as the Patriots director of player personnel during their recent run of success.

"The best moves we made player-personnel wise, are players who can play football; not necessarily guys who tested best or had the higher test scores. It’s a mosaic of all this information that you piece together."

Through the years, the mosaic at Valley Ranch has changed.

In the near 50-year history of the Cowboys, their most successful teams were built around players who shared a common look. Jimmy Johnson’s Cowboys had a certain look, which wasn’t that of Tom Landry’s Cowboys or Parcells’ Cowboys.

When a person said, "That’s a Dallas Cowboy" in 1975, 1995 or even 2005, it created a visual.

While the first draft under Ciskowski yielded positive results — Felix Jones, Mike Jenkins, Orlando Scandrick and Tashard Choice — the class was a clear shift away from Parcells’ lust for size over finesse. It’s doubtful tight end Martellus Bennett would have been selected by Parcells, possibly the same for Scandrick.

Ciskowski has his outline, his plan, and his vision for what he wants. According to various Valley Ranch sources, Ciskowski is allowed to set up the draft board the way he wants it; it’s almost as if it’s Jerry proof, and there will be no chance of taking a Quincy Carter in the second round.

Jones might have learned to agree with Ciskowski’s vision, but he innately likes pretty quarterbacks, running backs and receivers. Jones has been known to go Jessica Alba over the Winslet before. So whatever the Cowboys’ new look is, as long as Jerry Jones is making the final call, style could be involved.

"I don’t think style distracts," Jones said. "There is nothing in me that thinks it distracts. As a matter of fact, I think there are some plusses, but at the end of the day you have to win football games. You have to win enough of them, not only material games, but at the end of the day, and really my entire method, is about winning a Super Bowl. That’s it."

Which is the only look that really matters.

 
Would like some thoughts or hate mail on my second mock (The Mock Draft on page one) .

Our first pick in the second - Sean Smith CB/FS

I traded for the last pick in the second and got -Duke Robinson -OG (Cost a 2010 second and a 4th this year)

Our pick in the third (I hated the board) - Troy Kropog OT

 
Would like some thoughts or hate mail on my second mock (The Mock Draft on page one) .Our first pick in the second - Sean Smith CB/FSI traded for the last pick in the second and got -Duke Robinson -OG (Cost a 2010 second and a 4th this year)Our pick in the third (I hated the board) - Troy Kropog OT
Smith would be really really good. Duke would be a nice fit. I don't know enough about Kropog to know if he represents value. Not sure what the board looks like for ILB, DL, and WR at 69 to know if thats a value pick or not. My haunch is that we might have been able to go another direction at this pick. But with who, I could not tell you.Getting Smith at 51 would be a home run, though. :doh:
 
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I'm a big fan of Tom so far and everything that I hear and read on the guy.

Simple toughness will be look of new Cowboys

By MAC ENGEL

[email protected]

Tom Ciskowski has a visual in mind.

When he closes his eyes, he can picture the player he wants to draft. He knows what he wants a Dallas Cowboy to look like.

The Cowboys’ second-year director of player personnel is telling Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones "I want to get tough [competitors] who are football players. They don’t care about the other stuff, and just want to play football. Guys who just play. Guys who are tough. Guys if they have a guy in front of them then I want them to help us on special teams right away."

Eschew the player who runs the 40 in a 4-point-whatever, squats 900 pounds and has the rest measurables in favor of a more grunt-ish pick. Scrap the guy who looks the part but can’t play the part; if you want to win an Academy Award you pick Kate Winslet, not Jessica Alba.

It’s no secret Cowboys general manager Jerry Jones likes the Alba types, but there are a lot of people at Valley Ranch pushing for the safer Winslet, almost Parcellsian pick.

Consistently, the most successful franchises in the NFL today — New England Patriots, Indianapolis Colts, Baltimore Ravens, Pittsburgh Steelers, Philadelphia Eagles etc. — all have created their own look for each player and pursue that person with a clear purpose. It’s not just the best player available but the best player available who fits their identity.

Exactly what is a Dallas Cowboy today?

It’s hard to call it an identity crisis, but two years of Wade Phillips and the look of a Cowboy appears undefined. If Ciskowski has his way, the 2009 Cowboys draft will have more than a hint of Parcells’ philosophy.

Ciskowski has devised a position-by-position set of characteristics he seeks for any player, and the consistent themes throughout every spot are willingness to work, and intelligence. It’s a value system where toughness is almost as important as talent. He is pushing in the direction of the increasingly popular, if slightly boring, tough-guy, fits our-mold football player.

"Every program that I’ve been in that has been successful, we’ve gone out and found football players," said first-year Kansas City Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, who had served as the Patriots director of player personnel during their recent run of success.

"The best moves we made player-personnel wise, are players who can play football; not necessarily guys who tested best or had the higher test scores. It’s a mosaic of all this information that you piece together."

Through the years, the mosaic at Valley Ranch has changed.

In the near 50-year history of the Cowboys, their most successful teams were built around players who shared a common look. Jimmy Johnson’s Cowboys had a certain look, which wasn’t that of Tom Landry’s Cowboys or Parcells’ Cowboys.

When a person said, "That’s a Dallas Cowboy" in 1975, 1995 or even 2005, it created a visual.

While the first draft under Ciskowski yielded positive results — Felix Jones, Mike Jenkins, Orlando Scandrick and Tashard Choice — the class was a clear shift away from Parcells’ lust for size over finesse. It’s doubtful tight end Martellus Bennett would have been selected by Parcells, possibly the same for Scandrick.

Ciskowski has his outline, his plan, and his vision for what he wants. According to various Valley Ranch sources, Ciskowski is allowed to set up the draft board the way he wants it; it’s almost as if it’s Jerry proof, and there will be no chance of taking a Quincy Carter in the second round.

Jones might have learned to agree with Ciskowski’s vision, but he innately likes pretty quarterbacks, running backs and receivers. Jones has been known to go Jessica Alba over the Winslet before. So whatever the Cowboys’ new look is, as long as Jerry Jones is making the final call, style could be involved.

"I don’t think style distracts," Jones said. "There is nothing in me that thinks it distracts. As a matter of fact, I think there are some plusses, but at the end of the day you have to win football games. You have to win enough of them, not only material games, but at the end of the day, and really my entire method, is about winning a Super Bowl. That’s it."

Which is the only look that really matters.
Kind of a fluff piece but I like it. We do need an identity. DeMarcus Ware mentioned at a charity event last weekend (in Grapevine) that he felt that the tone at Valley Ranch has changed and that team unity was growing. He didn't mention any names but in so many words he made it clear that the air in the locker room has improved dramatically with the exits of the likes of T.O., Pacman and Tank Johnson to name a few..
 
Would like some thoughts or hate mail on my second mock (The Mock Draft on page one) .Our first pick in the second - Sean Smith CB/FSI traded for the last pick in the second and got -Duke Robinson -OG (Cost a 2010 second and a 4th this year)Our pick in the third (I hated the board) - Troy Kropog OT
I'll take it.
 
Would like some thoughts or hate mail on my second mock (The Mock Draft on page one) .Our first pick in the second - Sean Smith CB/FSI traded for the last pick in the second and got -Duke Robinson -OG (Cost a 2010 second and a 4th this year)Our pick in the third (I hated the board) - Troy Kropog OT
Good job on the mock draft. In my opinion if Delmas is off the board (which he was) Dallas should wait to draft Darcel McBath in the 4th round. He is the one of the best coverage safeties in the entire draft. I would have traded up a couple of spots to get Robiskie probably to #48 (Denver) because of the need for Wr for both the Browns and Bears. In the next round I would have selected Dannell Ellerbee at ILB.2nd round-Brian Robiskie3rd round- Dannell Ellerbee4th round- Darcel McBath
 
Would like some thoughts or hate mail on my second mock (The Mock Draft on page one) .Our first pick in the second - Sean Smith CB/FSI traded for the last pick in the second and got -Duke Robinson -OG (Cost a 2010 second and a 4th this year)Our pick in the third (I hated the board) - Troy Kropog OT
Good job on the mock draft. In my opinion if Delmas is off the board (which he was) Dallas should wait to draft Darcel McBath in the 4th round. He is the one of the best coverage safeties in the entire draft. I would have traded up a couple of spots to get Robiskie probably to #48 (Denver) because of the need for Wr for both the Browns and Bears. In the next round I would have selected Dannell Ellerbee at ILB.2nd round-Brian Robiskie3rd round- Dannell Ellerbee4th round- Darcel McBath
Great post.I have to admit, but I am warming to Robeskie in the 2nd.In the third, I hope we trade up to what ever it takes to get Duke Robinson (Late second is my guess). I am cursing him with this, but he is my pet this year. That dude is Steve Hutchinson. In the 4th, I could see one of Mcbath or Rashad Johnson (if he slips). Again a possible trade up a couple of spots to ensure we ge our guy might be necessary.Ellerbe has character issues which I don't see as a fit and I think the 3rd is way too early for him. I'd rather have Brinkley later for my money. Just m 0.02
 
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Per PFT, the latest numbers in salary cap space indicates that Dallas has $10.35 million available.

Our NFC East counterparts look like this:

Philadelphia- $37.44 million

N.Y. Giants- $4.37 million

Washington- $5.96 million

PFT indicates that they are not sure if the Eagles recent acquisition of OT Peters has been taken into account.

I'm inclined to think it has not. It would appear that a large chunk of that has been spent.

The list of the entire league is here: http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/22/...as-of-april-22/

 
I heard a little something out of Valley Ranch yesterday that the coaching staff is feeling fairly settled at DT with what they have on the current roster.

I'm also getting a feeling that they may go with a DE/OLB at #51 if Robiskie is gone and still feel confident they could land a safety at #69, whether it be maybe Darcel McBath or William Moore. Personally, I think Moore is a sleeper in this draft as far as the safeties go.

 
I REALLY hope we dont draft a 2nd round receiver. I want Chung or another SS. I think we are set at WR. I like our young guys, I like Crayton to step up. I would love to see Hurd or Austin opposite ROY with Crayton in the slot and if we do a little wildcat, we have Stanbeck.

 
Going to be nice to hear the games in FM with 105.3 The Fan. While I'm still a Ticket P1 (well maybe P2 at this point), this move makes sense for Jerry.

The addition of a 24 hour Cowboy channel on 105.3-3 in HD had to be the cherry on top for Jones.

 
Posted by nickeatman at 4/23/2009 3:41 PM CDT on truebluefanclub.com

As expected, wide receiver Miles Austin signed his one-year, $1.545 million tender offer to remain with the Cowboys for at least another season and probably longer. The Cowboys have had some very preliminary discussions with Austin’s agent about a long-term deal. But it’s safe to say Austin is a big part of the team’s long-term plans. That’s why Jerry Jones said on Thursday that he was never too worried about Austin signing with the Jets, whom he visited with two weeks ago as a restricted free agent. Had the Jets signed Austin to an offer sheet, the Cowboys would’ve had a week to match the deal. If they chose to pass, they would’ve received the Jets’ second-round pick, the 52nd overall pick, just behind the Cowboys.

The money it would take to sign Austin, who has just 18 career catches, coupled with the second-round pick, made it a difficult move for the Jets or any team to risk, according to Jones. “That really didn’t figure. That’s a pretty top consideration,” Jones said of the Jets signing Austin. “We think a lot of him too. But there is more to see there. When you really look at those kinds of numbers and that kind of draft pick, the two combined really make that a tough deal. He’s a good player, though. We think a lot of him.” Jones has also said this off-season that Austin’s potential was a big factor in the Cowboys’ decision to release Terrell Owens. Jones said the Cowboys will give the young receivers a chance to showcase their skills this year. And that not only includes Austin, but Sam Hurd and Isaiah Stanback.

The Cowboys also signed two exclusive rights free agents to one-year deals in running back Alonzo Coleman ($385,000) and tight end Rodney Hannah ($310,000).

 
By CALVIN WATKINS / The Dallas Morning News

ARLINGTON – Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said he is excited about wide receiver Roy Williams' progress.

Williams has been working out four days a week at Valley Ranch and is developing a strong chemistry with quarterback Tony Romo.

"Triple A-pluses," Jones said of Williams. "First of all, he's the first one here. And secondly, he's lighting them up. He doesn't have any nicks.

"He's out there working with [wide receivers coach] Ray Sherman, and those guys are elated. I'm not exaggerating. They are elated at the work he is getting in and what he is doing and his focus and his work habits and everything that he is doing."

"The verdict is really still out, but I would absolutely do that trade again," Jones said.

Jones emphasized the next couple of seasons would determine whether the trade was a success.

If there was one thing that seemed certain at Thursday's news conference at the team's new stadium in Arlington, it was the Cowboys' preference to stay out of the first round.

Salary-cap restraints will make it difficult for teams to work out contracts for top picks because of the uncertainty surrounding the collective bargaining agreement. Jones said that was one of the reasons he made the deal with Detroit last season, when the Cowboys traded their first-, third- and sixth-round picks this year for wide receiver Roy Williams and a seventh-round pick.

 
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By CALVIN WATKINS / The Dallas Morning News ARLINGTON – Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said he is excited about wide receiver Roy Williams' progress. Williams has been working out four days a week at Valley Ranch and is developing a strong chemistry with quarterback Tony Romo. "Triple A-pluses," Jones said of Williams. "First of all, he's the first one here. And secondly, he's lighting them up. He doesn't have any nicks. "He's out there working with [wide receivers coach] Ray Sherman, and those guys are elated. I'm not exaggerating. They are elated at the work he is getting in and what he is doing and his focus and his work habits and everything that he is doing." "The verdict is really still out, but I would absolutely do that trade again," Jones said. Jones emphasized the next couple of seasons would determine whether the trade was a success. If there was one thing that seemed certain at Thursday's news conference at the team's new stadium in Arlington, it was the Cowboys' preference to stay out of the first round. Salary-cap restraints will make it difficult for teams to work out contracts for top picks because of the uncertainty surrounding the collective bargaining agreement. Jones said that was one of the reasons he made the deal with Detroit last season, when the Cowboys traded their first-, third- and sixth-round picks this year for wide receiver Roy Williams and a seventh-round pick.
If those quotes were coming from anyone but J. Jones I would be getting excited...
 
Wow philly fans are sure happy about their off-season. If you read through their threads thier pretty much gauranteed to make it to the NFC Conference Championship game. I admit they had a good off season but they like Dallas and NYG have alot of question marks.

 
OK my final guess/prediction for our first 5 picks are:

2nd- Sean Smith CB/FS or Max Unger C or Duke Robinson OG

3rd-Andy Levitre OG or Rashad Johnson FS

4th-Jason Williams ILB

4th Brandon Williams OLB

5th Terrance Taylor NT

 
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Wow philly fans are sure happy about their off-season. If you read through their threads thier pretty much gauranteed to make it to the NFC Conference Championship game. I admit they had a good off season but they like Dallas and NYG have alot of question marks.
Why wouldn't they? They made it that far last year.The Eagles are always tough. Thank God they have never had enough sense to spend just a little more money and get a few more offensive weapons for Donovan.

 
Wow philly fans are sure happy about their off-season. If you read through their threads thier pretty much gauranteed to make it to the NFC Conference Championship game. I admit they had a good off season but they like Dallas and NYG have alot of question marks.
Why wouldn't they? They made it that far last year.The Eagles are always tough. Thank God they have never had enough sense to spend just a little more money and get a few more offensive weapons for Donovan.
Because they were one game away from not making the playoffs it took a monumental collapse by Dallas and Tampa for them to make the playoffs. Add in the fact that the Donovan made it through a 16 game season unscathed which hasnt happened in forever and they have just as many questions as any other NFC East team.
 
Cowboys aren't looking to trade players this weekend

10:10 AM Fri, Apr 24, 2009

Tim MacMahon/Dallas Morning News

The Cowboys will be wheeling and dealing this weekend, but the odds are slim that they'll trade a player that's already on the roster.

"We could have some scenarios," Jerry Jones said. "You could possibly do that. That's a reach though. That's a bad time to be trading players. Draft picks are at their premium, right then and there. And players are at their least, right then."

There has been speculation that RB Tashard Choice, a fourth-round pick who was the Cowboys' best offensive player in December, could be trade bait. It's hard to see how that makes much sense.

The Cowboys have two backs coming off toe injuries, and Choice has proven that they can rely on him. He's locked up to an inexpensive contract for three more seasons. By that point, he might be splitting time with Felix Jones. He's worth more than the third-round pick the Cowboys could get for him this weekend.

 
Yes, he has us with Levitre.

I was also looking at his top 100, especially the safeties:

Delmas 35

William Moore 47

Sean Smith 48

Chung 51

Sherod Martin 70

Rashad Johnson 78

It seems like one of Moore, Smith, or Chung would be available at 51. Delmas would require us to move up in all likelihood.

 
Yes, he has us with Levitre.I was also looking at his top 100, especially the safeties:Delmas 35William Moore 47Sean Smith 48Chung 51Sherod Martin 70Rashad Johnson 78It seems like one of Moore, Smith, or Chung would be available at 51. Delmas would require us to move up in all likelihood.
What is the difference between Chung and Martin besides 19 slots? Is Chung that much better and worthy of the pick relative to OL, DL and ILB?
 
These rankings are Gosselin's consensus rankings from canvassing NFL execs. He does not watch film. He just talks to people around the league and puts together a board based on those discussions. So it appears that NFL insiders believe Chung is half a round higher rated than Martin.

 
Got a few things here.

First of all, Chicago at #49 is our biggest obstacle as Gosselin noted. They have nearly the same shopping list as we do, and also do not have a first-round selection. WR and S is high on their desires.

I'm not really counting on Robiskie at this point, but the Bears may certainly present a problem in targeting safeties.

I'm also hearing whispers that the Cowboys are tossing the idea around (currently) of acquiring two 2nd-round selections, as I had posted that they might earlier in the week. Their 3rd-round selection (#69 overall) and their second 4th-round selection (#117 overall) would get them there.

They cherish their first 4th-round selection (#1 in the 4th, #101 overall) far too much right now to really consider giving it up and I agree whole-heartedly.

It would take something (or somebody) very enticing to make that happen.

As of now, I'll say they will still target a safety at #51. Chung, Smith or Moore should be there.

Maybe it's OL Levitre they are targeting later in the third, unless they are looking at a DE/OLB here and possibly get Levitre or Herman Johnson at #101.

In any case, they want these earlier selections to afford them the opportunity to get some production out of them as rookies. This would include special teams. Special teams have become a keen interest and will bring about a lot of focus this weekend. It's a high priority.

 
Let me just add a comforting note here. Not that the Cowboys have had any trouble in signing their draft picks in recent years, but not having a first-rounder to have to negotiate with brings all the more comfort. I don't see any reason the Cowboys can't get their rookies signed in a timely enough manner to afford them to have them all on them field from day one of training camp. That's huge. That many fewer distractions and allowing them to get right down to business.

 
This helps us.

As part of the trade between the Jets and the Browns for the pick of Sanchez, the Browns received both DE Kenyon Coleman and S Abram Elam as part of the trade (both former Cowboys, by the way). With the Browns slotted just ahead of the Cowboys in the second round at #50, it certainly lightens their need at both of those positions. I'll take it. That works.

 
We can raise the bar a notch or two for a safety now that the Eagles have picked up Maclin to go along with Jackson.

That's scary speed, and we better have a secondary that can respond.

 
A note from Stephen Jones in regards to the trade made for WR Roy Williams.

"At the time (of the trade), we saw ourselves much closer to pick #30 than #20, and felt that there was much greater value with Roy than with what we may have been able to select in the draft."

That hindsight speaks volumes.

 
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All things being equal I'd rather have Maclin than Roy .... let alone everything else we gave up. Better still, I'd rather have Oher and Robiskie in the 2nd than Roy.

 
All things being equal I'd rather have Maclin than Roy .... let alone everything else we gave up. Better still, I'd rather have Oher and Robiskie in the 2nd than Roy.
Maybe so, maybe not. Point being, they didn't envision themselves picking at #20, but closer to #30. As for the 2nd round, we didn't give anything up in the 2nd for Roy. That point is mute, and Oher's already off the board. When did we have two 2nd-round picks anyway? Oher AND Robiskie?ETA: In any case, don't shoot the messenger.
 
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Jerry Jones just indicated during a brief break from the war room that with the way the board has fallen to this point that the chances of the Cowboys moving into the second round for a 2nd pick are on the rise.

 
Wade Phillips during this break: "We'd like to get somebody who can play on our 45 (active gameday roster). We want some of these young guys to contribute on special teams." He indicated that "some of these guys off the board we didn't have graded that high, so that's good."

ETA: This was just prior to Delmas and Chung going off the board.

 
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The way this is falling there's still 2 OT's left that projeceted to have been gone as of #37. The Duke is still there too.

My original choice Darius Butler is still there.

Williams is a fine choice at safety but there's more DE/OLB's on the board than we've been mocking too.

 
Robiskie's off the board, as I suspected. Keep an eye out for Connor Barwin (Cincinnati) at this point.

 
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We're finally moving closer towards the Cowboys selection. Just wanted to take this opportunity to inform you that I will be posting their selection even before the commissioner knows or gathers up the ticket indicating such. I'm on it. :lmao:

 
DE Jarron Gilbert (San Jose State) is still out there, who was brought in for a visit, as was DE Lawrence Sidbury (Richmond). Strong indication there.

They had a big target on CB Darius Butler (confirmed), but he's gone.

CB/S Smith is still out there (Your guy, Bankerguy).

Georgia WR Massaquoi is still out there too.

Me? I'm still pulling for S William Moore (Missouri).

ETA: OT Loadholt (Oklahoma) is still out there too.

 
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Beatty is growing on me although William Moore stands out as would Michael Johnson and Smith. There's several OT's left ... does Beatty stand out as the heir at LT? Otherwise take Moore and don't look back and take an OL in Round 3.

 
We're finally moving closer towards the Cowboys selection. Just wanted to take this opportunity to inform you that I will be posting their selection even before the commissioner knows or gathers up the ticket indicating such. I'm on it. :lmao:
Well, we can all get the same info too, so na na na boo boo![/syrus]:sarcasm:Where is that tool? Did he finally get the boot?
 
Take Moore ... there's several OL left .. don't see value anywhere else. Trade down? ugh ... tough one ... who would someone just HAVE to have to trade up for? Were we targeting that WR?

 

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