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Care to elaborate on this one? Haven't heard anything about this.awesome start to FA....a nutjob coming off major knee surgery, trading away a pro bowl CB for a 5th, and losing the heart and soul of the team (maybe). i wonder who they'll draft this year? I hear there's a wicked punter available at 21
I view it as the opposite. This could really help Shawn return to form.awesome start to FA....a nutjob coming off major knee surgery, trading away a pro bowl CB for a 5th, and losing the heart and soul of the team (maybe). i wonder who they'll draft this year? I hear there's a wicked punter available at 21
i hope you're right and that ish isnt genetic. But giving that kind of money to a guy who just had major knee surgery in January is either ignorant, arrogant, or both. At best, Andrews (the sane one...so far) will be ready to go in September sometime. So, the FO is nowrelying on rehab going perfectly, him learning the O, meshing with the OL, and getting back into game shape. Seems like a big risk. And if they're going to take risks, why not get a friggin weapon on O?I view it as the opposite. This could really help Shawn return to form.awesome start to FA....a nutjob coming off major knee surgery, trading away a pro bowl CB for a 5th, and losing the heart and soul of the team (maybe). i wonder who they'll draft this year? I hear there's a wicked punter available at 21
agreed. From what I've heard, he most likely won't be ready to play until the season has started. I think it might turn into a good pickup, hes got skill, can jump from T to G and should at least provide some stability to his bat#### brother. However, there seems to be more risk involved than is necessary.i hope you're right and that ish isnt genetic. But giving that kind of money to a guy who just had major knee surgery in January is either ignorant, arrogant, or both. At best, Andrews (the sane one...so far) will be ready to go in September sometime. So, the FO is nowrelying on rehab going perfectly, him learning the O, meshing with the OL, and getting back into game shape. Seems like a big risk. And if they're going to take risks, why not get a friggin weapon on O?I view it as the opposite. This could really help Shawn return to form.awesome start to FA....a nutjob coming off major knee surgery, trading away a pro bowl CB for a 5th, and losing the heart and soul of the team (maybe). i wonder who they'll draft this year? I hear there's a wicked punter available at 21
Why, exactly?Surely you can state other "how can we let him go" Eagles in the past.Dawkins isn't what he used to be, despite his leadership skills. I loved him on the field and wish he was the same player, but he's not. He's lost skills and he is 1/2 step slower - which is why we saw him with so many borderline late hits last year. He doesn't think he's slowed down, yet he has.Now the Eagles have a TON of cap room and the market has a glut of safeties.
Jeff GB, you sure your checks arent signed by the Birds?How can you be an optimist after a day like this? Do you really, HONESTLY think the Eagles got that extra few mil in cap room so that they can now go out and spend 50 mil instead of 45?
Who are some of the Safeties you see as an upgrade? Have heard Sanders from NE but don't know anything about him. I think Dawk is a big loss, why not let the guy retire an Eagles. Losing some big plays and alot of leadership.
Finally, some good news
sean jones is a definite upgrade (at this stage of Dawk's career) and i haven't heard a peep about him. Here's to hoping the Eagles bring him in
I really struggling to find out what the Eagles are interested in. We have lost alot of players on day 1 and not much activity. Outside of the TO/Kearse year I really wonder why they don't go all out to bring home a title while we have #5, #36, ......guess I can leave out #20. This sucks.
No, I'm pretty sure he'll be the third option and someone will be brought in to start.
Sean Jones would be an immediate upgrade. Sorry to break that news to Dawkins fans (and I am one).I also like the way Jim Leonhard plays.Jermaine Philips is also not signed.I'd take any of those - but Leonhard vs. Dawkins is a hard sell. Jim plays the "Philly way" and will endear himself to the crowd quickly.Sean Jones is the guy to get.
Of the free agents signed today, who did you want them to (over) pay for?
That's easy, Dawkins. Over pay for him, groom Demps, and keep the heart and soul of your team for at least 1 more year. BTW, you always overpay for free agents, thats just the way system works right now.
why would you overpay for Dawk as long as Sean Jones is on the open market?
How come no one was singing Jones' praises 24 hours ago?
i didn't post in this thread then, he's the guy i've wanted all along...
That right there alone is a reason to not low ball him. Big whoop, the birds have a ton of cap room, they always had a ton of cap room but they hardly ever spent it sans a few times. Also everyone has cap room.
Because Dawkins fires up the team and the crowd? Defense was not the problem last year. Lack of leadership might be this year's problem however. I'm usually a dollar and cents guy but in a sport like football, intangibles play a big part. Should have signed Dawkins.
There are so many good safeties around that Denver signed two 34+ year old players to play the position over the last three years? Cleveland secondary shut down and intimidated everyone. OK.
are you saying that the men they have now and the fans they have now will no longer be able to be fired up since Dawkins is gone? Stewart Bradley and Chris Gocong can't fire up the team? or Trent Cole? or Asante Samuel? none of these guys are capable of 'firing up the team or the crowd' interesting. I guess they should just take the next few seasons off until they can find someone to fire up the team and the crowd. Is there anyone in the draft capable of firing up the team and the crowd?
This is the best statement so far.... Everyone loves Dawk and that isn't questioned.... Do you just play him to play him though.. Or can you possibly sign someone else (Jones, etc..) who might be a bit better skill wise at this time and make the defense that much better. I know leadership is important... But this is a business and too many forget that... I wish it weren't... Dawk will be back to retire as an Eagle... If he goes to the Broncos.. I will be there when they come back to give him his deserving standing O ..... And to say FA is a failure 26 hours in is rediculous..... They have a lot of holes to fill... tons of money and tons of Draft picks..... I'll put my faith in them as this team is competitive year in and year out... Only a hnadful of teams can say that.... And they were right about Trot, Vincent, and so many other "aging" vets.. I'd say they deserve the benefit of the doubt...
I'm 99% sure he will still retire in Eagle Green.Look, I love the guy but for what he brings to the team (on-field + off-field; note that imo he wasn't going to bring that much on-field) there was better value out there. You can't just unconditionally keep guys you like on your team with the way free agency works.By the way, to me this signing made little sense for the Broncos. What he really brought the Eagles was motivation, etc. I don't really think you can just switch to another team and do it there. wtf b-dawkkkkkk.
I see what you are saying but how many times the last few seasons have we gone into the year with somewhere in the neighborhood of $10 mil unspent under the cap? Now we have 40+. Dawk is old but is he really asking for so much that they let this happen? Spend the extra $3 mil for the chemistry of the team and the guys heart. Maybe it plays out in a plan to bring in some other studs somehow, don't see it right now.I'm 99% sure he will still retire in Eagle Green.Look, I love the guy but for what he brings to the team (on-field + off-field; note that imo he wasn't going to bring that much on-field) there was better value out there. You can't just unconditionally keep guys you like on your team with the way free agency works.By the way, to me this signing made little sense for the Broncos. What he really brought the Eagles was motivation, etc. I don't really think you can just switch to another team and do it there. wtf b-dawkkkkkk.
It has nothing to do with motivation. But it has everything to do with leadership. There are so many conversations, decisions, and actions that take place inside the walls of an NFL team, that you must have true leaders there to help steer the ship. Do you trust McNabb to do that now? Do you think Asante gives a damn about anyone else? Does Cole care about anything but getting his sacks. You dont know. no one does. Letting Dawk go is like removing the rudder from a ship because you think its possible that you might have a replacement somewhere else on the boat...but you're not really sure.As for the comparison to Hugh and Trott, i was actually ok with those moves. Their decline in production was extremely obvious to even the casual fan. I'll admit i dont watch the game film 3 or 4 times after each week. But, i really didnt see a ton of deterioration in Dawks game. I mean, in the last 10 games on '08, he had one bad game. That happened to be in the NFCC game, and when they were facing what is arguably the best group of WRs in the league.I'll wait to see what they do in terms of filling the football void left by Dawk leaving. But, this move is about as cold as it comes. I understand its a business, and that the FO makes moves based on what they think is best for that business. But, Dawk was about as true an Eagle as there has ever been. He meant so much to this team and the fans...it really wouldnt have hurt this team to bring him back for 2 more years.
There are many in Philly who feel that the first time Trot was let go was a big mistake. I don't have a problem with him going if it were an insane deal in the terms of money or years, or he obviously could not play anymore. Neither of these seem to be the case.
Exactly, Trott and Hugh both wanted like 5-6 mil per year for 5-6 years. Dawk would've stayed for a 2 year deal. This move makes less and less sense to me the more i look at it
So far I am thrilled with the FA. I will absolutely miss BDawk (my favorite Eagle of all time), but at some point I have to realize its time to move on. If he comes back its great if not, we have lots of great memories. I love the Andrews signing. At this point he is our only legit OT on the roster. I think we will bring back Tra and then draft an OT with one of our 1st picks.
couldn't have said it better myself. Take the emotion out of it and the business decision is a sound one. Wait a year or two and they might be replacing Westbrook, McNabb, and Dawkins all at the same time which would set um up for a bad season. Hopefully they can get those replacements in motion this year along with adding a solid LT prospect.
Weaver would be an awesome fit for the Eagles. He can run, block & catch & knows the WCO from Seattle.
between Giles, Shawn Andrews, and Herremans, one of them will either be on the bench or will need to play a different position. Is Herremans that much better than Giles at LG? I'm not so sure. If Herremans is much better than the other options at LT, why not play him there? you would rather have a weak LT and a pro bowl LG over a decent LT and a pretty good LG?
B-Dawk is not signed yet. I still have faith the Birds will do the right thing