Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I got a text a few hours ago saying that they 'were seriously discussing' bringing in Ward so they can kick the tires. Apparently Ward gave the NYG an offer of 3 mil per for him to stay and they turned him down. 
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Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
LOL, as soon as I post this Ward signs with the Bucs. Guess the #### or get off the pot mantra is in full effect for the Birds here.I got a text a few hours ago saying that they 'were seriously discussing' bringing in Ward so they can kick the tires. Apparently Ward gave the NYG an offer of 3 mil per for him to stay and they turned him down.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
TJ to Seahawks = thank gawd.
But are we going to make a move outside of an OT who is coming off of a serious injury? Cmon. The offense needs a lot, especially after losing Buckhalter.
But are we going to make a move outside of an OT who is coming off of a serious injury? Cmon. The offense needs a lot, especially after losing Buckhalter.
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E-A-G-L-E-S
Footballguy
The radio was talking of a sean considine clone from baltimore being a possible safety to visit. Jim Leonard (sp) They said he is 5'8", 185lbs...this is just who you want to come up and tackle brandon jacobs
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Would give us a great backup punt returner though
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Jim Leonhard, and he's much, much, MUCH better than Sean Considine.Of course, so is my left sock.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
You read all of that and boil it down to a McNabb argument?Brutal.Way to take the high road.Nice cheap shot. whats wrong, you cant take it when someone disagrees with you openly? I've backed up virtually everything i've said. You may not agree with my reasoning or my view, but its nice to know that a Mod has to sink to the level of taking cheap shots at people. Because when people run out of real arguments and thoughts, they invariably turn to cheap shots
And you can't love the Eagles and dislike McNabb? You're way off on this one and just have a general dislike for people who criticize McNabb. You should tone it down.
GoBirds
Footballguy
DH, what are you hearing is our "plan" exactly? Are we openly going into rebuilding mode? Looks like Tra might be headed to Jax and we are yet to see McNabb's reaction after losing a ton of players and bringing in no one except a hurt Tackle.LOL, as soon as I post this Ward signs with the Bucs. Guess the #### or get off the pot mantra is in full effect for the Birds here.I got a text a few hours ago saying that they 'were seriously discussing' bringing in Ward so they can kick the tires. Apparently Ward gave the NYG an offer of 3 mil per for him to stay and they turned him down.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
I can't believe Sean Jones isn't headed to Philly right this minute.I'm very surprised he's got no attention yet.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
IMO you gotta give Quintin Demps a chance. The Eagles have 3 good corners and a pretty good strong safety which can cover up some of Demps short comings (just like they did with Dawk). The kid was a ball hawk in college and if remember correctly was one of the top players ever in NCAA INT return yards.
Is he going to be a terror like Dawk? Doubtful Will he put that extra elbow into every single player he tackles? More than likely not. Dawk has been pretty suspect in pass coverage the past two years and I dont think anyone would deny that. He has had only 2 INT's and 12 total pass deflections. So maybe this kid can come in and actually do a few things that Dawk has not be able to do the past few years.
Is he going to be a terror like Dawk? Doubtful Will he put that extra elbow into every single player he tackles? More than likely not. Dawk has been pretty suspect in pass coverage the past two years and I dont think anyone would deny that. He has had only 2 INT's and 12 total pass deflections. So maybe this kid can come in and actually do a few things that Dawk has not be able to do the past few years.
JaxBill
Footballguy
I'm just picturing the in-game flame wars that would occur if the Eagles picked up Braylon Edwards and McNabb throws one down around Edwards knees that he drops. "Braylon sucks, he couldn't catch a cold" "Mcnabb sucks, that ball was way too low"
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Like I said, my buddy is more 'in' on the drafting side of things, but I cann tell you that this offseason is NOT going well. They targeted Andrews and got him. They planned on Dawk signing their lowball offer, but he didn't. They planned on Derick Ward after he got a dose of reality and came down off that absurd 5 mil per year price tag, but they waited too long. They planned to squeeze every penny out of Tra, and that looks like it will bite them now too. The Tra situation is really unsetteling since they don't have a LT on their roster that they can be confident in starting.Also, they never had more than a passing interest in Housh. As far as my buddy knows, they never even contacted him, all contact came from Housh's camp.Unless things drastically change, I see a 3rd place finish for the Birds in the East, at best.DH, what are you hearing is our "plan" exactly? Are we openly going into rebuilding mode? Looks like Tra might be headed to Jax and we are yet to see McNabb's reaction after losing a ton of players and bringing in no one except a hurt Tackle.LOL, as soon as I post this Ward signs with the Bucs. Guess the #### or get off the pot mantra is in full effect for the Birds here.I got a text a few hours ago saying that they 'were seriously discussing' bringing in Ward so they can kick the tires. Apparently Ward gave the NYG an offer of 3 mil per for him to stay and they turned him down.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Letting Tra Thomas go will really bum me out. Assuming that happens, OT and RB become the unquestionable draft priorities if they weren't already.Like I said, my buddy is more 'in' on the drafting side of things, but I cann tell you that this offseason is NOT going well. They targeted Andrews and got him. They planned on Dawk signing their lowball offer, but he didn't. They planned on Derick Ward after he got a dose of reality and came down off that absurd 5 mil per year price tag, but they waited too long. They planned to squeeze every penny out of Tra, and that looks like it will bite them now too. The Tra situation is really unsetteling since they don't have a LT on their roster that they can be confident in starting.Also, they never had more than a passing interest in Housh. As far as my buddy knows, they never even contacted him, all contact came from Housh's camp.Unless things drastically change, I see a 3rd place finish for the Birds in the East, at best.DH, what are you hearing is our "plan" exactly? Are we openly going into rebuilding mode? Looks like Tra might be headed to Jax and we are yet to see McNabb's reaction after losing a ton of players and bringing in no one except a hurt Tackle.LOL, as soon as I post this Ward signs with the Bucs. Guess the #### or get off the pot mantra is in full effect for the Birds here.I got a text a few hours ago saying that they 'were seriously discussing' bringing in Ward so they can kick the tires. Apparently Ward gave the NYG an offer of 3 mil per for him to stay and they turned him down.
Blood Hound
Footballguy
Roto is reporitng that Jim Leonhard signed with the Jets, so it is looking like the starting free safety will either be Demps or one of the draft picks.
C'mon Joe Banner, bring somebody in. Sean Jones, Leaonard Weaver, somebody ... Keeping the $40M or so under the cap does not win you an award - or give you "gold standard" status.
C'mon Joe Banner, bring somebody in. Sean Jones, Leaonard Weaver, somebody ... Keeping the $40M or so under the cap does not win you an award - or give you "gold standard" status.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
What are the chances Eagles give Roy Williams a lowball offer and he fills the BDawk role?
zadok
Footballguy
He has to be cut first...
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Heck no. Roy Williams is HORRENDOUS in coverage, to the point of being such a liability the Cowboys couldn't scheme the liability away against any versatile offensive opponent. B-Dawk is masterful in coverage. Even if you want to replace B-Dawk with a younger, lesser version, it can't be a formerly overpriced guy who quite literally is one dimensional.
delusional
Footballguy
Gotta stay under the cap ya know. All these years of staying under the cap have paid off...../facepalm
NOT a good offseason whatsoever. One of the worst ones in a long time
NOT a good offseason whatsoever. One of the worst ones in a long time
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Two-dimensional if you count horse-collar tacklingHeck no. Roy Williams is HORRENDOUS in coverage, to the point of being such a liability the Cowboys couldn't scheme the liability away against any versatile offensive opponent. B-Dawk is masterful in coverage. Even if you want to replace B-Dawk with a younger, lesser version, it can't be a formerly overpriced guy who quite literally is one dimensional.
stevegamer
Footballguy
Isn't he also injury-prone, making him three-dimensional, two of which are bad?Two-dimensional if you count horse-collar tacklingHeck no. Roy Williams is HORRENDOUS in coverage, to the point of being such a liability the Cowboys couldn't scheme the liability away against any versatile offensive opponent. B-Dawk is masterful in coverage. Even if you want to replace B-Dawk with a younger, lesser version, it can't be a formerly overpriced guy who quite literally is one dimensional.
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Crusaderfan
Footballguy
Hey look at it this way - They will have to make two trades this season to bail on the 1st round and save the signing bonuses that come with that. But then again - I'm sure guys that were there last season like Otah, Chris Johnson, Keller or Matt Forte wouldn't have been able to crack our lineup anyway.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
We say this about every off-season other than when we get TO.Regardless, this one is still young so there is plenty of hope imo.
gonzobill5
Footballguy
Jason Witten disagrees. In fact, I can't remember Dawkins ever being that great at covering a guy one on one. He used to have damn good ball hawking skills - but 1 on 1, not so much.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I should have said WAS masterful in coverage. But Dawkins has always been a true two-way safety, hence the 6 PBs and potential HOF credentials. Roy Williams was always a thumper, but no one thought he would be so bad in coverage that the Cowboys would literally have to never allow him to be put in a coverage situation.Jason Witten disagrees. In fact, I can't remember Dawkins ever being that great at covering a guy one on one. He used to have damn good ball hawking skills - but 1 on 1, not so much.
gonzobill5
Footballguy
I'll agree that there is no comparison between the two - even at this point in their careers. Roy Williams, for supposedly being such a big hitter, isn't even that strong a tackler.I should have said WAS masterful in coverage. But Dawkins has always been a true two-way safety, hence the 6 PBs and potential HOF credentials. Roy Williams was always a thumper, but no one thought he would be so bad in coverage that the Cowboys would literally have to never allow him to be put in a coverage situation.Jason Witten disagrees. In fact, I can't remember Dawkins ever being that great at covering a guy one on one. He used to have damn good ball hawking skills - but 1 on 1, not so much.
modogg
Footballguy
so now they are talking about Shawn Springs coming in for a visit? Could he be our FS? i really see no reason to bring him in as a dime back, and Sheldon showed last year he will be fine as our other CB, if Springs were to come in and take his spot that would be a mess. And yes i know Samuel did this to Lito, but this is very, very different. and i still think Mike Brown would be worth giving a shot, am i missing something why no one is talking about him.
None_More_Black
Footballguy
Wait til the draft when we trade away both first rounders to "stock pile" picks.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
DH has there been any talk about them bring in Jermaine Phillips from Tampa?
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
If we acquired every 7th rounder are we guaranteed a Matt Cassel/Marques Colston?
loose circuits
Footballguy
they must have been so thrilled about signing Stacy Andrews, that they went to a trip to the Bahamas or something...somebody needs to get them in touch with Sean JonesFat Andy and Alligator Arms Banner are on Spring Break this week and won't be starting free agency until next Monday when they are back in the office.Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Looks like Shawn Springs will be stepping in to replace Dawkins. Not sure what to think, but I don't hate the idea.
loose circuits
Footballguy
:scratcheshead:Washington Post is reporting he's likely to land in HoustonI hate the idea. Why ditch Dawk if you are gonna sign an old ####er anyways?
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
If the Springs deal rumored on ESPN pans out, not sure he's the opening day safety filling the hole left by Dawkins.
Samuel, Brown, Hanson,Springs....if Jake Ike is healthy....have to see how this plays out. Maybe some others have a better idea than me how realistic it is for Springs to play S. I know he's 6'0, 200+ and (obviously) has cover skills, but can he make that move?
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation?tag=09%20free%20agency
Springs scheduled to visit Philly
March 3, 2009 5:57 PM
Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley
Springs
The Eagles just announced that Shawn Springs is headed to town tonight for a visit and will meet with reporters Wednesday. Springs became expendable in Washington when DeAngelo Hall was signed to a long-term contract Friday.
You normally don't issue a press release when you're not planning to sign a player. Springs is a physical cornerback who could also help out at safety now that Brian Dawkins has left the building.
There was some initial interest from Dallas in Springs, but it looks like he'll end up in Philly. It's interesting to see guys such as Chris Canty and Springs stay in the division. We'll let you know if we hear anything else.
Samuel, Brown, Hanson,Springs....if Jake Ike is healthy....have to see how this plays out. Maybe some others have a better idea than me how realistic it is for Springs to play S. I know he's 6'0, 200+ and (obviously) has cover skills, but can he make that move?
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation?tag=09%20free%20agency
Springs scheduled to visit Philly
March 3, 2009 5:57 PM
Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley
Springs
The Eagles just announced that Shawn Springs is headed to town tonight for a visit and will meet with reporters Wednesday. Springs became expendable in Washington when DeAngelo Hall was signed to a long-term contract Friday.
You normally don't issue a press release when you're not planning to sign a player. Springs is a physical cornerback who could also help out at safety now that Brian Dawkins has left the building.
There was some initial interest from Dallas in Springs, but it looks like he'll end up in Philly. It's interesting to see guys such as Chris Canty and Springs stay in the division. We'll let you know if we hear anything else.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Like I said, my buddy is more 'in' on the drafting side of things, but I cann tell you that this offseason is NOT going well. They targeted Andrews and got him. They planned on Dawk signing their lowball offer, but he didn't. They planned on Derick Ward after he got a dose of reality and came down off that absurd 5 mil per year price tag, but they waited too long. They planned to squeeze every penny out of Tra, and that looks like it will bite them now too. The Tra situation is really unsetteling since they don't have a LT on their roster that they can be confident in starting.
Also, they never had more than a passing interest in Housh. As far as my buddy knows, they never even contacted him, all contact came from Housh's camp.
Unless things drastically change, I see a 3rd place finish for the Birds in the East, at best.
See, this is what makes me physically sick. I can agree with Pasquino and Bob Ford and understand the calculated, cold logic of letting Dawkins go but if they did in fact want him to stay but lowballed him anyway with all that money under the cap then I just don't get these people. This just makes me sick
Also, they never had more than a passing interest in Housh. As far as my buddy knows, they never even contacted him, all contact came from Housh's camp.
Unless things drastically change, I see a 3rd place finish for the Birds in the East, at best.
See, this is what makes me physically sick. I can agree with Pasquino and Bob Ford and understand the calculated, cold logic of letting Dawkins go but if they did in fact want him to stay but lowballed him anyway with all that money under the cap then I just don't get these people. This just makes me sick
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Hey look at it this way - They will have to make two trades this season to bail on the 1st round and save the signing bonuses that come with that. But then again - I'm sure guys that were there last season like Otah, Chris Johnson, Keller or Matt Forte wouldn't have been able to crack our lineup anyway.
This post seemingly got lost in the emotional posts of FA's failures and Dawk's departure but it poses an issue that needs to be addressed. Since DH's source supposedly is in the draft side of things, let's have an answer on why the Eagles poorly evaluated these players? All could have filled a void that currently exists. Why trade the pick when such value, and one might say Pro Bowl value considering the players mentioned, are still available? For a team that prides itself on draft pick acquisition, they come up awfully small when it comes to actually making the picks.If we're going to play the Monday Morning QB thing, how about you check in with your draft guy and tell us why they passed on such quality talent last year?
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musicman_17046
Footballguy
New to the board and wanted to say hi. I'm an Eagle fan and I heard this place is where I need to be.
Wanted to see if anyone had heard the rumor about the Birds going after New Orleans RFA WR Lance Moore.
Wanted to see if anyone had heard the rumor about the Birds going after New Orleans RFA WR Lance Moore.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Carolina overpaid. Reid woulda taken Otah. They turned Otah into DeSean, Booker, and 1.28 this year
You can bash AR's drafts if you'd like, but that was one specific move that would be practically criminal to bash. Booker didn't work, but SeSean was a hit, and we still have this year's first.
Mcnabbfan
Footballguy
Interesting that the Eagles are interested in Springs. I found this link on philadelphiaeagles.com and it has Adam Caplain on a local sports show talking about the eagles being interested in CB Greer from Buffalo and the possibility of the Eagles moving Sheldon Brown to the Cardinals for Boldin. Maybe Springs replaces Greer in this scenario. Has anybody else hear anything similar to this?
Adam Caplain on NBC
Adam Caplain on NBC
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
but IIRC their 2nds and 3rds have been really bad the last few years. Tony Hunt? Really???
loose circuits
Footballguy
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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsi...redskinsinsiderpeople report visits all the time. Did we sign Ward? He visited...
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I think otherwise. Hunt is a bad example. They needed a RB. He was their 3rd or 4th choice. Granted their first choice hasn't turned out any better - Booker. The last 3 years have actually been very good drafts compared to the previous years under this regime. Other than 2002 no drafts stand out as great drafts. They get a lot of credit for 2002 - Lito, Lewis, Sheldon, Westbrook - building a secondary when they already had an elite but aging secondary.2008 - Laws - B at least a good 3rd DT, maybe moreDeSean - A- playmaker WR, will his body hold up over multiple yearsSmith - INC project DE, weird choice2007 - Kolb - D+ questionable pick that has underperformedAbiamiri - B- solid pick slowed by injuryBradley - A great pickHunt - F wasted pick2006Justice - D- great value turned into huge bustGocong - B project LB turned into solid starter(Bunkley in the first is at least a B+)
None_More_Black
Footballguy
Matt McCoy, Winston Justice, and Kevin Kolb have all been money. It's all about value.but IIRC their 2nds and 3rds have been really bad the last few years. Tony Hunt? Really???You can bash AR's drafts if you'd like, but that was one specific move that would be practically criminal to bash. Booker didn't work, but SeSean was a hit, and we still have this year's first.
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None_More_Black
Footballguy
An A for Stewart Bradley? The Eagles really don't care about their lbs and Bradley is average at best.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
He is not a pro bowler but he is solid. He was a marked improvement over all the LBs that were on the team at that point. The improved LB play is a big reason the defense was better in 08 than 07. Maybe he is not a better pick than DeSean but he is a better pick than depth picks like Abiamiri and Laws (who are both solid players). Is he that much better or worse than Poslunszy who some mocks had the Eagles spending a 1st rounder on and went 50 picks earlier?
None_More_Black
Footballguy
I am not a big fan of Bradley. He is ok against the run but is below average at best in coverage and was exposed in the NFC championship game. The Eagles like their cheap lbs like Gaither, Gocong, and Jordan. None of these guys make 500K or would start for another Super Bowl contender.
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