***Official 2009 Philadelphia Eagles Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Heard this on Sirius the AM, and it is a very good question.The Eagles are on the clock at Pick 21. All of these scenarios are available:1. Moreno is there.2. Pettigrew is there.3. The Cardinals are on the phone asking for the pick (and nothing else) for Boldin.Which do you choose, and why?What's the rest of your draft plan (assuming the Eagles ultimately need both a RB and a TE)?

Much as I'd love to see this offense with a genuine weapon at WR again (who knows, Jackson may become this?), I think we have to go Moreno (or whoever we think is the best RB) in this situation.The team has shown they can win with a mediocre WR corps, and even have a productive passing offense without any of the targets standing out. Without Buck as a reliable backup any missed time by Westbrook (and there will be some, I'm sure) makes the offense totally one dimensional. If that happens I think they suffer. Badly. ETA: Remember Darnell Autry?

Agreed. Every time I see someone talk about how badly the Eagles need a WR it makes me wonder if they even realize what is going on with the Eagles offense. They have an offensive that is not built around a QB or its WR's, but its incredible RB and his ability to create miss matches. This offense needs a RB that MUST be a threat anywhere on the field. IMO they have little choice but to draft a RB on the first day. They do not have any sort of back up yet and the talk about a DE or CB IMO has to be a smoke screen. I cant believe they would go into the '09 season with Booker as their #2 and Buckley as their #3 with a starter who is turning 30 and has missed playing time in every single season of his career.

 

[Jason Wood]

Heard this on Sirius the AM, and it is a very good question.The Eagles are on the clock at Pick 21. All of these scenarios are available:1. Moreno is there.2. Pettigrew is there.3. The Cardinals are on the phone asking for the pick (and nothing else) for Boldin.Which do you choose, and why?What's the rest of your draft plan (assuming the Eagles ultimately need both a RB and a TE)?

Highly unlikely scenario b/c I suspect Boldin is going to land in Baltimore for their 1st and another decent pick. But hypothetically, OF COURSE you take Boldin. It's the same argument you would use in valuing Jay Cutler versus Stafford. Were Cutler in this draft, he would be the no brainer 1st overall pick. Same thing applies here. Boldin is a proven, elite wide receiver who should be in his prime throughout his next contract. You don't ever take a rookie over that, even up. You are MUCH more likely to find a RB or TE who does as much, if not more for your team in rounds 2 or later than you would be trying to replicate Boldin with a rookie WR pick.

 

[JAA]

Heard this on Sirius the AM, and it is a very good question.The Eagles are on the clock at Pick 21. All of these scenarios are available:1. Moreno is there.2. Pettigrew is there.3. The Cardinals are on the phone asking for the pick (and nothing else) for Boldin.Which do you choose, and why?What's the rest of your draft plan (assuming the Eagles ultimately need both a RB and a TE)?

Will never happen, but Boldin in a heartbeat. I would also toss in a 4th no questions asked. Maybe even a 4th in 10......Pettingrew, I dont think hes worth it.....Moreno, I think he would be very overvalued at this point

 

[JAA]

For those choosing Moreno: Do you really believe the differnce between him and a RB in the 2nd is not worth Boldin?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

For those choosing Moreno: Do you really believe the differnce between him and a RB in the 2nd is not worth Boldin?

Boldin fills a want, not a need. IMO Boldin does not bring enough to this team to warrant trading for him. We currently have a burner and a slot, so what we need is that big, red zone threat that can go up and get the ball. I dont see Boldin being that guy. We gotta face the facts and they are pretty simple. #1 - They have 3 pretty effective WR's already#2 - They have a 30 year old RB (go look at what happens to RB's after this point in their career) who has missed games every single season since he came into the NFL#3 - The Eagles offense is run through their RB and they have absolutely ZERO capable players that could start for when Westbrook gets hurt or is no longer effective.#4 - They have tried to draft or trade for a RB to back up Westy since 2004 and have failed

 

[CentralPA]

my heart says get Boldin but my mind says take Moreno.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Boldin and a 2nd round RB like Brown (in some mocks) or McCoy (Maybe Peerman sneaking into the second?)

trumps

Moreno and a 2nd.

I agree that an RB is more critical than Boldin, but he would represent an immediate upgrade. And I have no idea why people don't think he is $$$ in the red zone. A big, physical wideout in his prime with a heart bigger than Andy Reid. No brainer.

 

[JAA]

For those choosing Moreno: Do you really believe the differnce between him and a RB in the 2nd is not worth Boldin?

Boldin fills a want, not a need. IMO Boldin does not bring enough to this team to warrant trading for him. We currently have a burner and a slot, so what we need is that big, red zone threat that can go up and get the ball. I dont see Boldin being that guy. We gotta face the facts and they are pretty simple. #1 - They have 3 pretty effective WR's already

#2 - They have a 30 year old RB (go look at what happens to RB's after this point in their career) who has missed games every single season since he came into the NFL

#3 - The Eagles offense is run through their RB and they have absolutely ZERO capable players that could start for when Westbrook gets hurt or is no longer effective.

#4 - They have tried to draft or trade for a RB to back up Westy since 2004 and have failed

Youre saying: Basket ~ Boldindifference of opinion my friend

 

[zadok]

Do we trust Sal or DH? I'm leaning towards DH...

The more time that you spend on this thread, the more you will realize that it is DH as a NO brainer. His sources have been extremely reliable, and no reason to start doubting them now.

I hope I'm wrong, I would love to see Moreno. My source seemed pretty certain they weren't taking a RB in the first though.

The targeting or exclusion of a position, rather than a player, does not seem like their MO.

 

[zadok]

This could clearly lead to them drafting a CB early in the draft, and possibly with #21. If so, I hope it is Alphonso Smith.

Only V. Davis is worth a first.

I'm gonna have to agree with Smith. IMHO he is the best CB in the draft. I see lots of Antoine Winfield in him. I have heard it said his height is the only thing keeping him out of the top 15...

 

[zadok]

Heard this on Sirius the AM, and it is a very good question.The Eagles are on the clock at Pick 21. All of these scenarios are available:1. Moreno is there.2. Pettigrew is there.3. The Cardinals are on the phone asking for the pick (and nothing else) for Boldin.Which do you choose, and why?What's the rest of your draft plan (assuming the Eagles ultimately need both a RB and a TE)?

Moreno - best all around back in the draft, immediate change of pace AND backup for Westy, impact player for years to come, fills a bigger need. Take Cook or Ramses Barden in the 2nd and/or Coffman in the 3rd.

 

[pheagles]

Sal Pal was sitting in on Missanelli's show yesterday insisting there is a chance they could get both Moreno and Boldin, but I don't see it (unless ARI would take Sheldon, Reggie Brown and our 2nd).

If DH is right and they are targeting DE in the 1st (English?), would grabbing Jared Cook in the 2nd and either Rashad Jennings or Andre Brown in the 3rd satisfy you guys? They might need to move up to get those guys, but they have lots of picks to work with.

I think we'd have to be happy with that.

 

[GroveDiesel]

“There have been league MVP’s, Super Bowl champion quarterbacks, and perennial Pro Bowlers who have been in a similar situation. All of their teams have required them to wait until their contract expired or there was only one year remaining before any adjustment took place. It is only in the most extraordinary, in fact, less than a handful of circumstances in the last ten years that any players two new years into a contract with three years left have been adjusted. We don’t think this qualifies as an extraordinary circumstance.

"Just please ignore that we JUST traded for a disgruntled player that is 3 years into a 5 year deal and made him the second highest paid player at his position." "Also, please ignore the nice contract extension that we gave to Brian Westbrook when he was unhappy with his deal despite having lots of years left."

"These are not the droids that you are looking for."

 

[JAA]

This could clearly lead to them drafting a CB early in the draft, and possibly with #21. If so, I hope it is Alphonso Smith.

Only V. Davis is worth a first.

I'm gonna have to agree with Smith. IMHO he is the best CB in the draft. I see lots of Antoine Winfield in him. I have heard it said his height head is the only thing keeping him out of the top 15...

fixedHes quite a head case

 

[JAA]

thought

Would it make sense for PHi to sign as many FA, long term deals as possible this year? Get a close to the salary cap as possible? That what, when the uncapped season comes next year, we will have all of our players locked up long term and wont be battling for needed FA's/rookie contracts to keep up with the Jones's?

makes sense for us spending a lot of monies this season

 

[mo542]

If I'm sitting at 21, Moreno is there, and the Cards are willing to trade Boldin; I take Moreno. Ever since Reid has taken over for the Eagles, a RB has been top three in receptions every year except one. Furthermore, a RB has led the team in receptions four times since 1999. This confirms an important point that we already know, RB plays a critical role in the passing game as well as the main role in running game. Therefore, having a RB that is able to catch and run is critical for the offensive system to function. I believe that Moreno is a player with those attributes. Furthermore, you have to consider the salary the Boldin will demand.

When a player is given a large contract, that is opportunity lost. The salary cap basically creates a zero sum game with respect to salary. 10 Million given to one player is 10 million you cannot give to another. Sam Baker, last year's 21st pick, signed a five year deal worth about 34.5 million (including salary and bonus). Therefore drafting a player at 21 (rather then trading and giving a big deal) allows the team to potentially address two positions or resign a younger player to keep him around. So, salary is another big consideration when weighing the decision.

If you believe that Moreno is similar to Westbrook, then I believe that you need to take him with the 21st pick. I've outlined the two main factors as to why I would choose him. Additionally, Westbrook seems to be wearing down and we need another RB that can carry the load if he misses a few games. I believe that Moreno has the skill set to excel in this offense and will do so if drafted. Therefore, I believe drafting Moreno would be the correct decision in this scenario.

 

[zadok]

This could clearly lead to them drafting a CB early in the draft, and possibly with #21. If so, I hope it is Alphonso Smith.

Only V. Davis is worth a first.

I'm gonna have to agree with Smith. IMHO he is the best CB in the draft. I see lots of Antoine Winfield in him. I have heard it said his height head is the only thing keeping him out of the top 15...

fixedHes quite a head case

First I have heard of that. Link?

 

[Pickle Rody]

Heard this on Sirius the AM, and it is a very good question.The Eagles are on the clock at Pick 21. All of these scenarios are available:1. Moreno is there.2. Pettigrew is there.3. The Cardinals are on the phone asking for the pick (and nothing else) for Boldin.Which do you choose, and why?What's the rest of your draft plan (assuming the Eagles ultimately need both a RB and a TE)?

My initial response was to say take Boldin for the lone pick at 1.21 and be thrilled beyond belief. After reading other responses regarding the great need at RB to fill Westy's shoes, I just don't know now. I like Moreno a lot since I've taken the time to read up on him. I'm pretty sure he would be a great fit for our offensive scheme. No way do we have any need for Pettigrew. Celek will be a better blocking TE this year.I agree, Boldin is a want, not a need. Even still, if we have the very real chance of getting him for the 1.21 (and nothing else), I'd be very disappointed if we passed on him.

 

[phillyphan07]

“There have been league MVP’s, Super Bowl champion quarterbacks, and perennial Pro Bowlers who have been in a similar situation. All of their teams have required them to wait until their contract expired or there was only one year remaining before any adjustment took place. It is only in the most extraordinary, in fact, less than a handful of circumstances in the last ten years that any players two new years into a contract with three years left have been adjusted. We don’t think this qualifies as an extraordinary circumstance.

"Just please ignore that we JUST traded for a disgruntled player that is 3 years into a 5 year deal and made him the second highest paid player at his position." "Also, please ignore the nice contract extension that we gave to Brian Westbrook when he was unhappy with his deal despite having lots of years left."

"These are not the droids that you are looking for."

Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome Sheldon Brown to the shark pool!From http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/200904...les_say_no.html

As for diminishing his trade value by speaking out, Brown said the Eagles just traded for Buffalo tackle Jason Peters, who held out last summer, with 3 years left on a contract.

"They just traded for a guy who diminished his trade value last year," Brown said.

He also noted that the Eagles were willing to redo Brian Westbrook's contract last year.

You can't fault the eagles for trading for a guy with diminished trade value and I think westbrook was that extraordinary circumstance.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Dear Sheldon,

Last year you played across from one of the better CB's in the league and you still only managed 1 Int and 12 pass deflections. Over the past three seasons you were able to pull in a total of 5 Ints and a little over 35 pass deflections.

So ummm, good luck with your tantrum. I will be looking to take over your spot soon enough.

Signed,

Jack Ikegwuonu

 

[scratcher]

The two positions I feel that the Eagles always have depth at (where someone who's holding out can be easily replaced) is the OL and CB. Though this year, with the departure of Lito, it's looking thin. If Sheldon holds out, Hanson would start alongside Asante and then... ??? Is Jack ready to play Nickel? Would a rookie play dime? A Sheldon holdout could be troublesome.

 

[Jason Wood]

I think it's silly for Brown to go public given his contract situation, BUT...the response was equally nonsensical. The Eagles have been more aggressive than most teams in tearing up old deals and giving out new ones, and we just traded for a guy who gave up 11.5 sacks last year and made him a $60mm man even though his old team argued to him that he was already under contract for a number of years. Definitely not helping make the case that Sheldon isn't seeing a double standard here.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I think it's silly for Brown to go public given his contract situation, BUT...the response was equally nonsensical. The Eagles have been more aggressive than most teams in tearing up old deals and giving out new ones, and we just traded for a guy who gave up 11.5 sacks last year and made him a $60mm man even though his old team argued to him that he was already under contract for a number of years. Definitely not helping make the case that Sheldon isn't seeing a double standard here.

One was playing of his rookie contract as a TE and then was switched to one of the highest paid positions in the game, while the other is working off his 2nd contract. One has shown he is one of the top players at his position while the other has managed an impressive 5 interceptions over the past 3 years.Players only see what they want to see.

 

[renesauz]

Heard this on Sirius the AM, and it is a very good question.The Eagles are on the clock at Pick 21. All of these scenarios are available:1. Moreno is there.2. Pettigrew is there.3. The Cardinals are on the phone asking for the pick (and nothing else) for Boldin.Which do you choose, and why?What's the rest of your draft plan (assuming the Eagles ultimately need both a RB and a TE)?

Highly unlikely scenario b/c I suspect Boldin is going to land in Baltimore for their 1st and another decent pick. But hypothetically, OF COURSE you take Boldin. It's the same argument you would use in valuing Jay Cutler versus Stafford. Were Cutler in this draft, he would be the no brainer 1st overall pick. Same thing applies here. Boldin is a proven, elite wide receiver who should be in his prime throughout his next contract. You don't ever take a rookie over that, even up. You are MUCH more likely to find a RB or TE who does as much, if not more for your team in rounds 2 or later than you would be trying to replicate Boldin with a rookie WR pick.

AGREED!Boldin would be a top five talent in this draft. Do we really need him? Nope (at least I don't think so), but at that price you have to make the deal. Keep in mind I've been one of those saying we do NOT need another WR.I would love to see a RB at 21, but we have enough picks, and enough flexibility to look elsewhere.

 

[renesauz]

The more I read and think about it, the more I wonder exactly who the Eagles might covet a RB. A guy like Peerman, for example, in the late second, might fit nearly as well for us.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I think it's silly for Brown to go public given his contract situation, BUT...the response was equally nonsensical. The Eagles have been more aggressive than most teams in tearing up old deals and giving out new ones, and we just traded for a guy who gave up 11.5 sacks last year and made him a $60mm man even though his old team argued to him that he was already under contract for a number of years. Definitely not helping make the case that Sheldon isn't seeing a double standard here.

One was playing of his rookie contract as a TE and then was switched to one of the highest paid positions in the game, while the other is working off his 2nd contract. One has shown he is one of the top players at his position while the other has managed an impressive 5 interceptions over the past 3 years.Players only see what they want to see.

WRONG!Peters was given a new deal when he was moved to OT. He was paid very well actually for a guy that had never started at OT. So it's almost the EXACT same situation. Only the Eagles not only gave Peters a new contract despite having 2 years left, they gave up 3 draft picks to get him. While telling Sheldon Brown that they don't re-do deals for guys with more than 1 year left on their contract.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

I think it's silly for Brown to go public given his contract situation, BUT...the response was equally nonsensical. The Eagles have been more aggressive than most teams in tearing up old deals and giving out new ones, and we just traded for a guy who gave up 11.5 sacks last year and made him a $60mm man even though his old team argued to him that he was already under contract for a number of years. Definitely not helping make the case that Sheldon isn't seeing a double standard here.

One was playing of his rookie contract as a TE and then was switched to one of the highest paid positions in the game, while the other is working off his 2nd contract. One has shown he is one of the top players at his position while the other has managed an impressive 5 interceptions over the past 3 years.Players only see what they want to see.

WRONG!Peters was given a new deal when he was moved to OT. He was paid very well actually for a guy that had never started at OT.

So it's almost the EXACT same situation. Only the Eagles not only gave Peters a new contract despite having 2 years left, they gave up 3 draft picks to get him. While telling Sheldon Brown that they don't re-do deals for guys with more than 1 year left on their contract.

I would think the Peters situation qualifies as an "extraordinary circumstance" and would fall within the "handful" of times the Eagles have torn up deals with 2+ years remaining.I agree with the Eagles philosophically in this situation, but I think the heavy-handedness of their statement was pretty dumb, and very bad timing, seeing how it was the day after Peters although the two situations are in no way similar as far as the Eagles are concerned.

Brown didn't have to sign that extension and take the $7.5 Mill signing bonus a few years back, which was a nice chunk of change for what he was at the time. He could've waited it out until free agency and made bigger bucks later. But he chose the instant financial security, which is fine, but now he's complaining because he's at the low point of the deal that he signed. Weak. I like Brown, but maybe he should make a Pro Bowl or two before complaining about his deal.

And for those who complain about the hyprocrisy of players having to honor contracts while teams don't, two things:

1. This is the system that the players association agreed to through collective bargaining.

2. This system is better for fans. Would you rather have guaranteed contracts like the NBA and baseball? Loads of dead money clogging up the cap? Players that don't give a crap because they're getting paid regardless? No thanks.

 

[Jason Wood]

I think it's silly for Brown to go public given his contract situation, BUT...the response was equally nonsensical. The Eagles have been more aggressive than most teams in tearing up old deals and giving out new ones, and we just traded for a guy who gave up 11.5 sacks last year and made him a $60mm man even though his old team argued to him that he was already under contract for a number of years. Definitely not helping make the case that Sheldon isn't seeing a double standard here.

One was playing of his rookie contract as a TE and then was switched to one of the highest paid positions in the game, while the other is working off his 2nd contract. One has shown he is one of the top players at his position while the other has managed an impressive 5 interceptions over the past 3 years.Players only see what they want to see.

Not true, the Bills gave Peters a new deal after he moved to OT. It's synonymous.And don't think CB isn't as much a marquis position at OT, look at comparable salaries.

 

[mo542]

I think it's silly for Brown to go public given his contract situation, BUT...the response was equally nonsensical. The Eagles have been more aggressive than most teams in tearing up old deals and giving out new ones, and we just traded for a guy who gave up 11.5 sacks last year and made him a $60mm man even though his old team argued to him that he was already under contract for a number of years. Definitely not helping make the case that Sheldon isn't seeing a double standard here.

One was playing of his rookie contract as a TE and then was switched to one of the highest paid positions in the game, while the other is working off his 2nd contract. One has shown he is one of the top players at his position while the other has managed an impressive 5 interceptions over the past 3 years.Players only see what they want to see.

WRONG!Peters was given a new deal when he was moved to OT. He was paid very well actually for a guy that had never started at OT. So it's almost the EXACT same situation. Only the Eagles not only gave Peters a new contract despite having 2 years left, they gave up 3 draft picks to get him. While telling Sheldon Brown that they don't re-do deals for guys with more than 1 year left on their contract.

Really? Last time I checked Brown has not been elected to the pro bowl or all-pro team. Nor is he considered a “top talent” in the league. Peters is also younger than Brown and you should look into the history of how the Eagles front office feels about extending older players. Lastly, the Eagles feel Peters is a top talent and the front office will pay for top talent. I think the Eagles think Brown is a solid corner and will not break the bank on him.As far as I’m concerned, if Brown was concerned with being paid at market value, then he shouldn’t have signed a long-term deal. He could have let his rookie contract expire and then cashed in, but he didn’t want the risk. He took security over maximizing his income and now has changed his mind and wants market value. As a person that negotiates contracts, I think he needs to be mad at himself, not the Eagles.

 

[Domination]

I think it's silly for Brown to go public given his contract situation, BUT...the response was equally nonsensical. The Eagles have been more aggressive than most teams in tearing up old deals and giving out new ones, and we just traded for a guy who gave up 11.5 sacks last year and made him a $60mm man even though his old team argued to him that he was already under contract for a number of years. Definitely not helping make the case that Sheldon isn't seeing a double standard here.

One was playing of his rookie contract as a TE and then was switched to one of the highest paid positions in the game, while the other is working off his 2nd contract. One has shown he is one of the top players at his position while the other has managed an impressive 5 interceptions over the past 3 years.Players only see what they want to see.

WRONG!Peters was given a new deal when he was moved to OT. He was paid very well actually for a guy that had never started at OT. So it's almost the EXACT same situation. Only the Eagles not only gave Peters a new contract despite having 2 years left, they gave up 3 draft picks to get him. While telling Sheldon Brown that they don't re-do deals for guys with more than 1 year left on their contract.

Dear Buffalo Bills fans,Seeing as how you all seem very bitter about the Peters to the Eagles situation. I would like to offer you the opportunity to return the favor. I will gladly ship you Sheldon Brown for the #28 pick in this year's draft. I think that the draft is very deep at CB, and that there would be a couple of CBs to choose from at that point in the draft who could fill in for Brown. If not, thank you for your input, and good luck with TO and no o-line.Thank you again,Eagles FOPS... If you have any more young, pro-bowl o-lineman that you want to get rid of in the future, please don't hesitate to call.

 

[stevegamer]

Okay given the scenario, my strategy would be to do the following IMMEDIATELY:

1. Try and acquire the #22 pick, giving up excess value. Work out an agreement in principle.

2. Then go to AZ and see if they will take the #22 & another pick. Have someone working with AZ to see if they will do this, while the GM does what is needed to get the #22 done.

3. Draft Moreno @ 21 so he's not snagged by AZ, and then trade for Boldin.

Rating the players:

1. Boldin. If he's in the draft, he's the #1 pick. So, I'm pretty confident that Boldin makes this team a lot better. I know some don't think much of him in the red zone, but they may want to check out some film. I think there was a play last year involving a broken jaw.

2. Moreno. I love him as a fit for this offense. However, he's not a guaranteed pro-bowl player.

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33. Pettigrew. Not even worth a first round pick. Too many TE's that are better fits in this draft.

 

[Domination]

Okay given the scenario, my strategy would be to do the following IMMEDIATELY:1. Try and acquire the #22 pick, giving up excess value. Work out an agreement in principle. 2. Then go to AZ and see if they will take the #22 & another pick. Have someone working with AZ to see if they will do this, while the GM does what is needed to get the #22 done.3. Draft Moreno @ 21 so he's not snagged by AZ, and then trade for Boldin.Rating the players:1. Boldin. If he's in the draft, he's the #1 pick. So, I'm pretty confident that Boldin makes this team a lot better. I know some don't think much of him in the red zone, but they may want to check out some film. I think there was a play last year involving a broken jaw.2. Moreno. I love him as a fit for this offense. However, he's not a guaranteed pro-bowl player. ...33. Pettigrew. Not even worth a first round pick. Too many TE's that are better fits in this draft.

If ARZ was going to make the trade in order to draft Moreno, they wouldn't wait until after you draft him, and then trade you Boldin.

 

[zadok]

Boldin. If he's in the draft, he's the #1 pick.

No, he's not...

 

[stevegamer]

If ARZ was going to make the trade in order to draft Moreno, they wouldn't wait until after you draft him, and then trade you Boldin.

That's true, but the scenario didn't say Arizona was taking Moreno, only that they wanted that pick.And that's EXACTLY why you ask if they are willing to take the #22 plus a pick. If they are, then you work the deal, and get BOTH Moreno & Boldin.You hold the "Cards" in this scenario. They want what you have. If you can meet their needs with something else, you do it. Perhaps they want another player who has fallen.

 

[stevegamer]

Boldin. If he's in the draft, he's the #1 pick.

No, he's not...

Okay, maybe not for the Lions, who have a WR. Top 5 pick? Top 10 pick? Top 20 pick?

 

[zadok]

Boldin. If he's in the draft, he's the #1 pick.

No, he's not...

Okay, maybe not for the Lions, who have a WR. Top 5 pick? Top 10 pick? Top 20 pick?

Better than 21 you mean? Yeah probably. Don't get me wrong, getting Moreno and Boldin would be awesome, but if I had to pick one, Moreno would get the team more wins (IE better chance at a championship).

 

[stevegamer]

Boldin. If he's in the draft, he's the #1 pick.

No, he's not...

Okay, maybe not for the Lions, who have a WR. Top 5 pick? Top 10 pick? Top 20 pick?

Better than 21 you mean? Yeah probably. Don't get me wrong, getting Moreno and Boldin would be awesome, but if I had to pick one, Moreno would get the team more wins (IE better chance at a championship).

I agree regarding Moreno - long term. I was thinking about it, and realized that scenario didn't say I had to pick only one. So I went outside the box.

 

[phillyphan07]

From http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eag...E_SAME_WAY.html

"Brown said his current salary ranks 36th among NFL cornerbacks, but it wasn't clear if he was talking about this year's salary or the average value of his deal. He said he's not trying to become the highest-paid cornerback in the game."

"It's not like I'm trying to get near the top of the tier," Brown said. "I want them to pay me somewhere in the middle of the pack."

Uhhh Sheldon, there are 32 NFL teams and 64 starting CBs. 36 is pretty much in the middle of the pack.

 

[JAA]

This could clearly lead to them drafting a CB early in the draft, and possibly with #21. If so, I hope it is Alphonso Smith.

Only V. Davis is worth a first.

I'm gonna have to agree with Smith. IMHO he is the best CB in the draft. I see lots of Antoine Winfield in him. I have heard it said his height head is the only thing keeping him out of the top 15...

fixedHes quite a head case

First I have heard of that. Link?

My opinion is based on an ESPN writeup I saw. I believe they had news to back it up, ill look to see if I can find the links to jar my memory.

 

[PhillyRocks]

Browns agent at the time he signed his deal........

"We didn’t need to do this now, but this deal was too attractive and too important not to get it done,” Chayut said at the time. "They made him a multimillionaire, taking all the risk out of injury. He’s set for life.”

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I think it's silly for Brown to go public given his contract situation, BUT...the response was equally nonsensical. The Eagles have been more aggressive than most teams in tearing up old deals and giving out new ones, and we just traded for a guy who gave up 11.5 sacks last year and made him a $60mm man even though his old team argued to him that he was already under contract for a number of years. Definitely not helping make the case that Sheldon isn't seeing a double standard here.

One was playing of his rookie contract as a TE and then was switched to one of the highest paid positions in the game, while the other is working off his 2nd contract. One has shown he is one of the top players at his position while the other has managed an impressive 5 interceptions over the past 3 years.Players only see what they want to see.

Not true, the Bills gave Peters a new deal after he moved to OT. It's synonymous.And don't think CB isn't as much a marquis position at OT, look at comparable salaries.

I forgot about the new contract on '05. Even with that being said on player clearly over played that contract while the other has been a middle of the road starter at his position. As for CB being a marquis position over OT...of course it is. The average NFL fan barely knows any O-lineman. However the OT will win every time. Look at the top guys from last year...

Asante Samuel pulled in a total of $14,145,000 while Chris Snee pulled in $14,890,000. Now Chris Snee is a very good guard but is he one of the top 5 in the league as Asante is at his position? The point is that you can not compare Peters and Brown because they are vastly different players in regards to their position and their peers in the league.

Brown is no where close to one of the top 10 corners in the league and he may not even be in the top 20. Just because you want to compare yourself to the studs in the league and believe the same rules should apply to you does not make it so.

 

[Jason Wood]

Boldin. If he's in the draft, he's the #1 pick.

No, he's not...

Of course he would be. But that's not saying much really. A good chunk of proven Pro Bowl caliber players would be the 1st overall pick if they were magically eligible for the NFL draft while no other veterans were. Kind of makes arguing it silly, other than to say Boldin is without question worth more than any rookie you take at 1.21.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Boldin. If he's in the draft, he's the #1 pick.

No, he's not...

Of course he would be.

At his current age and injury history? Doubtful.

 

[gonzobill5]

From http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eag...E_SAME_WAY.html

"Brown said his current salary ranks 36th among NFL cornerbacks, but it wasn't clear if he was talking about this year's salary or the average value of his deal. He said he's not trying to become the highest-paid cornerback in the game."

"It's not like I'm trying to get near the top of the tier," Brown said. "I want them to pay me somewhere in the middle of the pack."

Uhhh Sheldon, there are 32 NFL teams and 64 starting CBs. 36 is pretty much in the middle of the pack.

To me, Sheldon probably is around the middle of the pack. Most would agree that he isn't among the top ten at his position. I'm pretty certain that after you take out the top ten CB contracts, the next 20 or even 30 are all pretty close.

Also, while I think his low INT totals do not even begin to reflect what he does on the field, I think he is much more of a product of a system than he realizes.

 

[JAA]

I think it's silly for Brown to go public given his contract situation, BUT...the response was equally nonsensical. The Eagles have been more aggressive than most teams in tearing up old deals and giving out new ones, and we just traded for a guy who gave up 11.5 sacks last year and made him a $60mm man even though his old team argued to him that he was already under contract for a number of years. Definitely not helping make the case that Sheldon isn't seeing a double standard here.

One was playing of his rookie contract as a TE and then was switched to one of the highest paid positions in the game, while the other is working off his 2nd contract. One has shown he is one of the top players at his position while the other has managed an impressive 5 interceptions over the past 3 years.Players only see what they want to see.

WRONG!Peters was given a new deal when he was moved to OT. He was paid very well actually for a guy that had never started at OT. So it's almost the EXACT same situation. Only the Eagles not only gave Peters a new contract despite having 2 years left, they gave up 3 draft picks to get him. While telling Sheldon Brown that they don't re-do deals for guys with more than 1 year left on their contract.

Correct.I read somewhere that the Bills should have NOT given him that contract (which they didnt need to do), and waited till he was better and then restructure. Basically, Peters got that new money, performned well, and is back at the teet for more.As an Eagles fan, I hope we made a good choice here. Peters just doesnt fit the mold of the FA we usually sign

 

[JAA]

I think it's silly for Brown to go public given his contract situation, BUT...the response was equally nonsensical. The Eagles have been more aggressive than most teams in tearing up old deals and giving out new ones, and we just traded for a guy who gave up 11.5 sacks last year and made him a $60mm man even though his old team argued to him that he was already under contract for a number of years. Definitely not helping make the case that Sheldon isn't seeing a double standard here.

One was playing of his rookie contract as a TE and then was switched to one of the highest paid positions in the game, while the other is working off his 2nd contract. One has shown he is one of the top players at his position while the other has managed an impressive 5 interceptions over the past 3 years.Players only see what they want to see.

WRONG!Peters was given a new deal when he was moved to OT. He was paid very well actually for a guy that had never started at OT. So it's almost the EXACT same situation. Only the Eagles not only gave Peters a new contract despite having 2 years left, they gave up 3 draft picks to get him. While telling Sheldon Brown that they don't re-do deals for guys with more than 1 year left on their contract.

Dear Buffalo Bills fans,Seeing as how you all seem very bitter about the Peters to the Eagles situation. I would like to offer you the opportunity to return the favor. I will gladly ship you Sheldon Brown for the #28 pick in this year's draft. I think that the draft is very deep at CB, and that there would be a couple of CBs to choose from at that point in the draft who could fill in for Brown. If not, thank you for your input, and good luck with TO and no o-line.Thank you again,Eagles FOPS... If you have any more young, pro-bowl o-lineman that you want to get rid of in the future, please don't hesitate to call.

 

[2and2is5]

950 is reporting deal in place for boldin, 1st and 3rd, we just need to work out a contract with mr anquan, anyone else here that? Baltimore is out of the running

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

950 is reporting deal in place for boldin, 1st and 3rd, we just need to work out a contract with mr anquan, anyone else here that? Baltimore is out of the running

WowDH please pick up the white courtesy phoneETA - no mention of this in their recent sports update. Sure it wasn't a hypothetical?

 

[Mighty Mice]

950 is reporting deal in place for boldin, 1st and 3rd, we just need to work out a contract with mr anquan, anyone else here that? Baltimore is out of the running

WOW. Peters and 'Quan with the two first rounders would be unbelievably good. Despite needs at TE + RB, Anquan is a huge upgrade to the offense! Desean on #2 CBs, Curtis in the slot would be great matchups to exploit. (In addition to upgrading and getting younger at both tackles and adding a FB...)ETA Skeptical about this deal being legit, but I do think it would be great value if the price is what was reported above.

 

[PhillyRocks]

950 is reporting deal in place for boldin, 1st and 3rd, we just need to work out a contract with mr anquan, anyone else here that? Baltimore is out of the running

No 950 is not reporting it. Someone called with some "inside knowledge" that it was done. Not 950 is reporting it.