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This was VD's butter play last year, too. However, to the Eagles defense it didn't appear that the niners had gone to that seam route hardly at all throughout the game. Of course, I'm limited to what the cable box shows me, so I don't know if they ran it several other times and there was adequate coverage. But if they didn't, then it's decent setup by the niners to go the money play late, considering they were keeping it close for much of the game.
That was a quick rib reattachment I guess. I'd rather him be 100% before he starts again though and he can't possible be after only 1 week off. I have a feeling if he does start he won't finish this week.
I think you're underselling Kolb last night. 21 of 31 with Celek having stone hands for some reason, plus that great TD where he ran for his life? Speaking of which, Kolb also scrambled for a big first down with good elusiveness.No, he didn't throw deep and connect to DeSean, but his passes had serious zip to them and he was on target all night behind a weak O-line (again).I'm more than glad to see everyone do well, but that O-line and the inability to (A) cover the TE and (B) adapt to what SF was doing well (Davis and Crabtree) was pretty sad. Alex Smith gave the Eagles the win with that strange fumble.
Agreed. I confidently feel Philly has two capable QBs on the roster - QBs they can win with. Kolb has looked good to great in 3 of his 4 NFL starts to this point - and the exception, GB, is judged off an incomplete body of work (10 attempts and some "interesting" play calling by Reid). The O-Line is a hot mess. King Dunlap was atrocious last night. Common sense tells me with a line this porous, Vick may be the play. If the line stabilizes, I would be excited to see what precision passing and timing Kolb can bring to the offense. The problem here is not QB. The special teams and O-Line leave much to be desired. IMO, Fokou looked very energetic and physical last night. he manhandled Gore on a few carries and the forced fumble was huge.
Kolb's game last night was very encouraging. Since this team has obvious flaws that normally prevent championships, I'd love for them to continue with the original '10 plan and let KK develop. A full year of growth could do wonders. How's Mark Sanchez look this year compared to last?But Andy's already told us Vick is his starter. And if we've learned nothing over the years, its that AR always tells us the truth and we can take him at his word.
Here's the thing - That's about all we can get from Kolb right now. Philly is lucky Kolb survived that game. Whenever SF brought 4 or more rushers (they run a 3-4) the O-line was bad. Really bad. Kolb was sacked several times and ran for his life other times. Over 11 more games the odds are that he gets hurt again, or even loses his confidence.Let Kolb go back to the bench knowing that the main reason Vick is ahead of Kolb right now is because Vick can scramble when things break down - and they will break down several times a game.Kolb will be behind a much better O-line in 2011 as your starter.Kolb's game last night was very encouraging. Since this team has obvious flaws that normally prevent championships, I'd love for them to continue with the original '10 plan and let KK develop. A full year of growth could do wonders. How's Mark Sanchez look this year compared to last?But Andy's already told us Vick is his starter. And if we've learned nothing over the years, its that AR always tells us the truth and we can take him at his word.
Assuming Vick hasn't been extended...
Seems rather unlikely IMHO.If the Eagles try and start that conversation, they will alienate Kolb I believe. Vick also would want some assurance that he'd be the starter, something they likely would not commit to at this point.If Vick pushes for it, he still wants to be assured of being the starter. See above.I think they amicably part ways as Vick goes elsewhere next year.zadok said:
IMHO, we are about a month away of good Vick games away from him being your franchise QB for the next 5 years.
You're assuming that hasn't already happened. He's being a team guy about this, but no football player worth the name would accept being benched under the circumstances he has been without some resentment. I agree with you that he had a pretty good game the other night, which could have been a great game if Celek hadn't dropped those balls. To lose his job after a half because of the backup's "accelerated play" and not have a chance to get it back with a strong performance of his own (if that's what happens) must be beyond frustrating.Overall, I just can't see the logic in going back to Vick unless they are considering keeping him beyond this year.
As an Eagles fan, this is a great problem to have.For Vick though, that would have to mean he's the starter heading into 2011, right?If that happens, you can better believe that several teams (MIN, CLE) will be calling for a trade next March - assuming the CBA is signed.The CBA is another hurdle to Vick's contract too.It will certainly be interesting.
It's early but I just see this being another Jeff Garcia situation with Vick. He'll play well, but the money another team will be offering will be to much to turn away. The Eagles (IMO) just won't compete with what other teams will offer and from what I understand he needs the money.
Based on history, I would tend to agree with you. However, due to Vick's potential upside based on what he has shown so far, I really wouldn't be shocked if the Eagles gave big bucks to Vick through an extension. Also remember that the Eagles have a good team for Vick to be on. Young dynamic receivers, young RB, and he knows this offense. Minnesota would be a good place for him also, but other than that there really aren't many teams that have as good long-term potential as the Eagles offense (assuming there offensive line issues get addressed).
Cool. Hope he gives another strong performance. Easy guy to root for.
It's not so much them extending him as it would be him signing an extension. If he does play well wouldn't he want to test the FA market to see who offers him the most money? A team like Oakland (assuming the dont draft a QB) would love to have him and would pay way more then we would IMO. This would more then likely be his last contract and I think he would take the most money he can, JMO.dhockster said:
I'm definitely tempted and thinking about it . . also have tickets to Penguins/Flyers the night before. I know I'll probably regret it if I don't.
Why do I feel bad for Kolb having to start at home this week?G-King said:
We're 3-0 on the road and 0-2 at home. I would think that the team makes a real effort to get a home win this week. ATL is good this year, but not a powerhouse by any means. Any particular reason behind the negative waves I'm sensing here-besides the OL
Besides that horrible OL, I'm very concerned about the LB's. Bradley hasn't looked the same since the concussion. We face Gonzalez this week and I expect him to have a great game. Don't we have issues in the secondary also?We're 3-0 on the road and 0-2 at home. I would think that the team makes a real effort to get a home win this week. ATL is good this year, but not a powerhouse by any means. Any particular reason behind the negative waves I'm sensing here-besides the OL
Very true about Bradley. I hope to not see him chasing Gonzo down the seam repeatedly this week ala VD in SF last game.I think Asante being back will fix a lot of the DB issues. If not it could get ugly with Roddy White being such a good route runner vs Hanson/Hobbs. Ernie Sims' speed is key in this game I believe. If it translates into a big play or two, I like our chances.Besides that horrible OL, I'm very concerned about the LB's. Bradley hasn't looked the same since the concussion. We face Gonzalez this week and I expect him to have a great game. Don't we have issues in the secondary also?We're 3-0 on the road and 0-2 at home. I would think that the team makes a real effort to get a home win this week. ATL is good this year, but not a powerhouse by any means. Any particular reason behind the negative waves I'm sensing here-besides the OL
That's the part that bothers me the most. He will have to have pretty much a flawless first drive or they'll be all over him. I just hate it.Very true about Bradley. I hope to not see him chasing Gonzo down the seam repeatedly this week ala VD in SF last game.I think Asante being back will fix a lot of the DB issues. If not it could get ugly with Roddy White being such a good route runner vs Hanson/Hobbs. Ernie Sims' speed is key in this game I believe. If it translates into a big play or two, I like our chances.Besides that horrible OL, I'm very concerned about the LB's. Bradley hasn't looked the same since the concussion. We face Gonzalez this week and I expect him to have a great game. Don't we have issues in the secondary also?We're 3-0 on the road and 0-2 at home. I would think that the team makes a real effort to get a home win this week. ATL is good this year, but not a powerhouse by any means. Any particular reason behind the negative waves I'm sensing here-besides the OL
I really like our run offense this week, too. I know it's not a trendy option for Reid usually, but with the success vs SF last week I think we potentially have a good thing to exploit vs the Falcons. Anything that keeps the OL going forward is a plus imo.
Kolb showed some mental toughness last week and will look to build on that vs the home crowd.
I'll choose to be optimistic concerning our fellow fans at the Linc on Sunday....hopefully he at least gets a half before the morons start acting up. He deserves it after his performance on the road on national tv vs a pretty desperate 0-4 team.That's the part that bothers me the most. He will have to have pretty much a flawless first drive or they'll be all over him. I just hate it.Very true about Bradley. I hope to not see him chasing Gonzo down the seam repeatedly this week ala VD in SF last game.I think Asante being back will fix a lot of the DB issues. If not it could get ugly with Roddy White being such a good route runner vs Hanson/Hobbs. Ernie Sims' speed is key in this game I believe. If it translates into a big play or two, I like our chances.Besides that horrible OL, I'm very concerned about the LB's. Bradley hasn't looked the same since the concussion. We face Gonzalez this week and I expect him to have a great game. Don't we have issues in the secondary also?We're 3-0 on the road and 0-2 at home. I would think that the team makes a real effort to get a home win this week. ATL is good this year, but not a powerhouse by any means. Any particular reason behind the negative waves I'm sensing here-besides the OL
I really like our run offense this week, too. I know it's not a trendy option for Reid usually, but with the success vs SF last week I think we potentially have a good thing to exploit vs the Falcons. Anything that keeps the OL going forward is a plus imo.
Kolb showed some mental toughness last week and will look to build on that vs the home crowd.
Another theory: The Lions and Jaguars are just really, really bad at covering people.
If things go as planned, I think we should see the ball coming to DJ more this weekend. Practice has been smooth and he will be involved heavy in the game plan. They know that they have to get the ball to their playmaker and contrary to what some report, KK loves to put it in his hands and watch his magic. Now obviously it all goes out the window if the big Lurch protecting Kolb's backside can't hold a block. But lets just hope so.
Thanks for the insight. Any word on Jerome Harrison being worked into the mix? General thoughts on him? Also, any word on if Celek's workload might increase?If things go as planned, I think we should see the ball coming to DJ more this weekend. Practice has been smooth and he will be involved heavy in the game plan. They know that they have to get the ball to their playmaker and contrary to what some report, KK loves to put it in his hands and watch his magic. Now obviously it all goes out the window if the big Lurch protecting Kolb's backside can't hold a block. But lets just hope so.
Isn't it about time you change that lousy logo under your name to more appropriately show your allegiance?If things go as planned, I think we should see the ball coming to DJ more this weekend. Practice has been smooth and he will be involved heavy in the game plan. They know that they have to get the ball to their playmaker and contrary to what some report, KK loves to put it in his hands and watch his magic. Now obviously it all goes out the window if the big Lurch protecting Kolb's backside can't hold a block. But lets just hope so.
They were glad to get Harrison to play over Bell. Bell was well liked, but was just not very good (I know thats not really inside info) and we could all see that he just wasn't really into the job or something. I wouldn't expect Harrison to get worked in more than Bell except for the confidence they seem to have that Harrison can haul the mail when Shady needs a breather. I don't think the team felt they could let that happen with Bell. As far as Celek, him and Kolb do have some chemistry, and because he is working on going more vertical than lateral with the pass, then I would expect an uptick in Celek just because he is such a viable option. Celek will get his, but this week's "game plan" is to go after DJ.... alot!Disclaimer: I know I will be fried by the Vick lovers if this all fails, so I am still saying that the offense success will be determined by the strength of the O-line. In the GB game Kolb throws 9 pre-concussion passes while running for his life, and lots of Chicken Little's screamed he was a bust and the sky was falling. The game could easily go south quick if the O-line turns into the gates at the Kentucky Derby.Polish Hammer said:Thanks for the insight. Any word on Jerome Harrison being worked into the mix? General thoughts on him? Also, any word on if Celek's workload might increase?G-King said:If things go as planned, I think we should see the ball coming to DJ more this weekend. Practice has been smooth and he will be involved heavy in the game plan. They know that they have to get the ball to their playmaker and contrary to what some report, KK loves to put it in his hands and watch his magic. Now obviously it all goes out the window if the big Lurch protecting Kolb's backside can't hold a block. But lets just hope so.
I think most reasonable fans agree with you here. The hallmark of Reid teams through most of the tenure up until recently has been solid O-Line play. I think that was a big part of Donovan's success with his style of play and the limited talent he played with at the skill positions for a while. Then everyone said they wanted skill positions drafted higher. Well, we got that and have good players there but now the QB has little time to make the necessary reads or even get comfortable in the pocket. Hopefully more plays are designed with a moving pocket or quicker drops/reads to help out a bit. Players like Dunlap are a nice depth project, but starting him against savvy veterans we face regularly (like John Abraham this week) makes me nervous. At least Justice seems to be getting better. If only they had gotten Alex Mack or even Pouncey for C/G the last few years I think this would be better.They were glad to get Harrison to play over Bell. Bell was well liked, but was just not very good (I know thats not really inside info) and we could all see that he just wasn't really into the job or something. I wouldn't expect Harrison to get worked in more than Bell except for the confidence they seem to have that Harrison can haul the mail when Shady needs a breather. I don't think the team felt they could let that happen with Bell. As far as Celek, him and Kolb do have some chemistry, and because he is working on going more vertical than lateral with the pass, then I would expect an uptick in Celek just because he is such a viable option. Celek will get his, but this week's "game plan" is to go after DJ.... alot!Disclaimer: I know I will be fried by the Vick lovers if this all fails, so I am still saying that the offense success will be determined by the strength of the O-line. In the GB game Kolb throws 9 pre-concussion passes while running for his life, and lots of Chicken Little's screamed he was a bust and the sky was falling. The game could easily go south quick if the O-line turns into the gates at the Kentucky Derby.Polish Hammer said:Thanks for the insight. Any word on Jerome Harrison being worked into the mix? General thoughts on him? Also, any word on if Celek's workload might increase?G-King said:If things go as planned, I think we should see the ball coming to DJ more this weekend. Practice has been smooth and he will be involved heavy in the game plan. They know that they have to get the ball to their playmaker and contrary to what some report, KK loves to put it in his hands and watch his magic. Now obviously it all goes out the window if the big Lurch protecting Kolb's backside can't hold a block. But lets just hope so.
JetMaxx said:Isn't it about time you change that lousy logo under your name to more appropriately show your allegiance?G-King said:If things go as planned, I think we should see the ball coming to DJ more this weekend. Practice has been smooth and he will be involved heavy in the game plan. They know that they have to get the ball to their playmaker and contrary to what some report, KK loves to put it in his hands and watch his magic. Now obviously it all goes out the window if the big Lurch protecting Kolb's backside can't hold a block. But lets just hope so.
I've been a long time Cowboy fan, but I have tell all my boys that I hope the Cowboys win every game but three: 1)Philly in Dallas 2) Dallas in Philly 3) Philly and Dallas in the NFC Championship. Unfortunately now I just hope we win three games period.
