*** Official 2010 Philadelphia Eagles Thread *** (2 Viewers)

[Nagle2998]

Meanwhile I'm left asking:

*** Who is going to run the ball consistently, or are we abandoning that concept?

*** Who is going to start at linebacker, and are we even going to try to have depth?

*** What if, shocking as it may be, Marlin Jackson doesn't work out?

*** Are we going to add depth to our offensive line?

I respect your opinion a lot Jason but I just think you being way to negative this offseason unless you really thought there were players in free agency that were going to make the Eagles SB contenders. Unless the Eagles added Dansby, Peppers and Rolle they weren't going to the SB without a lot of players stepping up.

1. I'm guessing McCoy since he is the one who carried the ball last year and had over 4 yards per carry plus some help from Weaver. I know we all love Westbrook but he wasn't a factor at all last year and now they added Bell who will hopefully be a decent short yardage guy. I'm really not sure why that was even a question with the addition of Bell and still having Weaver and McCoy on the team after how well they did last year.

2. I agree LB is a major problem for me but outside of Dansby was there anyone who would have made a major impact in free agency. I also think the offseason is far from over and maybe it's just something I ate but I have a feeling we are going to see a OLB added before the season. If they don't then yes LB is going to be made up of a bunch of back up players.

3. I really never felt like Jackson was going to be the starting free safety I still think it's going to come down to Demps and Harris and the Eagles only added Jackson for insurance like Jones was last year. They see something in Demps that none of us do which I'm fine with. Demps and Harris were later picks and even though they didn't show they were starting FS yet I have no problem letting them fight for the job. I also think if healthy Jackson is a good insurance policy and Jauron will do a much better job of developing all three of them.

4. Just my opinion but the line being healthy was the biggest problem last year because they never really got the time to gel but aside from the last two weeks they weren't horrible they were just average. When they lost Jackson they had to move Cole which meant they were changing two positions instead of just one which really hurt. They believe and I agree with them that Andrews is going to be the RG this year and he should do a fine job which means Cole who is a decent player will become the back up Guard. Herreman will have a whole camp to gel with Peters something he didn't have last year. The only problem I have is I would like a better back up LT so they don't have to move Herreman over every time Peters goes out for a play. None of us has any idea how long Jackson will be out but I think with a whole offseason Cole can do a much better job for a a few weeks because he was a center in college but he hasn't done it since coming here. The last thing is maybe and it's a huge maybe but Shawn is back and hopefully he can atleast stay healthy enough to be the back up everything for the Eagles next year.

Now maybe I'm a little of an optimist but they are getting Bradley and Andrews back plus better competition at FS so that's a plus. I know many aren't happy with the Tapp addition but he is a much better run stopper then Clemons or Parker which can only help and it allows Parker to become a pass rushing specialist. I know Jauron is a horrible HC but he is a good coach and he will help in the secondary and hopefully help McDermott some. I also expect an improvement in McDermott since he was pretty much thrown into the job with the sudden death of his mentor and he really wasn't ready for the job. April is the best ST coach out there and will improve the Eagles in every aspect of special teams giving them better field position. The Eagles have also done a decent job of drafting the last few years and adding someone like Savage can only help so you have to expect we will see atleast one starter added plus I expect something to come from the McNabb trade. I don't think they are a SB team at all but stranger things have happened and with Kolb at Qb I think they need a year to see what they have.

 

[Zoomanji]

Meanwhile I'm left asking:*** Who is going to run the ball consistently, or are we abandoning that concept?

LOL, new around here?That concept was abandoned years ago

 

[Jason Wood]

Meanwhile I'm left asking:*** Who is going to run the ball consistently, or are we abandoning that concept?

LOL, new around here?That concept was abandoned years ago

Poor choice of words on my part, I concur. I meant, run the ball consistently WELL. Westy never got a boatload of carries, but we always made the most of those carries, which is why we were able to (sometimes) get away with the lack of a run/pass balance.

 

[Gold Standard]

Meanwhile I'm left asking:

*** Who is going to run the ball consistently, or are we abandoning that concept?

*** Who is going to start at linebacker, and are we even going to try to have depth?

*** What if, shocking as it may be, Marlin Jackson doesn't work out?

*** Are we going to add depth to our offensive line?

Although I agree completely with with your concerns at LB, why should you be concerned who is consistently going to run the ball when the head coach throws it 70% of the time and could care less?? Your really worried about this offense and it's ability to score?? Andy Reid has never built a team that pounded the football on the ground . I'm sure they will fix the Oline issues via the draft, not sure who you wanted them to sign still? I dont throw the bank at a guy with a questionable motor in Peppers and the Giants had to overpay for Rolle because lets face it, their defense is worse than ours. With the holes they have at DE,LB and S - this isn't going to be a quick fix. And people who differ with your opinion on McNabb which your entitled too, aren't knuckleheads - they just are completely tired of the same old same old. Most of the fan base will breath a collective sigh of relief seeing #5 go. But sadly, that isn't even close to being the main concern of this team.

 

[dhockster]

Although I agree completely with with your concerns at LB, why should you be concerned who is consistently going to run the ball when the head coach throws it 70% of the time and could care less?? Your really worried about this offense and it's ability to score?? Andy Reid has never built a team that pounded the football on the ground . I'm sure they will fix the Oline issues via the draft, not sure who you wanted them to sign still? I dont throw the bank at a guy with a questionable motor in Peppers and the Giants had to overpay for Rolle because lets face it, their defense is worse than ours. With the holes they have at DE,LB and S - this isn't going to be a quick fix. And people who differ with your opinion on McNabb which your entitled too, aren't knuckleheads - they just are completely tired of the same old same old. Most of the fan base will breath a collective sigh of relief seeing #5 go. But sadly, that isn't even close to being the main concern of this team.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Although I agree completely with with your concerns at LB, why should you be concerned who is consistently going to run the ball when the head coach throws it 70% of the time and could care less?? Your really worried about this offense and it's ability to score?? Andy Reid has never built a team that pounded the football on the ground . I'm sure they will fix the Oline issues via the draft, not sure who you wanted them to sign still? I dont throw the bank at a guy with a questionable motor in Peppers and the Giants had to overpay for Rolle because lets face it, their defense is worse than ours. With the holes they have at DE,LB and S - this isn't going to be a quick fix. And people who differ with your opinion on McNabb which your entitled too, aren't knuckleheads - they just are completely tired of the same old same old. Most of the fan base will breath a collective sigh of relief seeing #5 go. But sadly, that isn't even close to being the main concern of this team.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Very good? 18.0 sacks in four years? His only season of note, was in 2007, when he had 7 sacks. Four of those 7 sacks came in one game. The same "very good" player who went from 16 starts to 11 starts to 5 over the last three years, for a defense starved for playmakers? THAT Darryl Tapp?Very good!?!? He's better than Chris Clemons; which isn't saying much seeing as how he was our least effective end.Meanwhile I'm left asking:*** Who is going to run the ball consistently, or are we abandoning that concept?*** Who is going to start at linebacker, and are we even going to try to have depth?*** What if, shocking as it may be, Marlin Jackson doesn't work out?*** Are we going to add depth to our offensive line?

Well there were so many great players in this years free agent market thus I can completely understand your frustration. The Eagles let a ton of talent just walk right pass them and sign with other teams. What a major let down. Typical Eagles.

So there weren't affordable, and better, safeties available? There weren't REALLY affordable, PRODUCTIVE, RBs to be had?It's an uncapped year for a team with plenty of cash flow and we're playing cheap for Mike "Friggin" Bell to save a million when there are HOW many RBs available? Sorry, I'm usually the one defending the Birds decisions (especially against all the anti-McNabb knuckleheads), but this hasn't been an offseason of note. It's not a disaster by any stretch, because as you say this wasn't a bumper crop year for free agency. But it's a DEEP draft which is why, again, I'm frustrated that we're letting 4th and 5th round picks go for what, IMHO, doesn't amount to much improvement for this team.

Which teams in the NFL have had an off season of note in your opinion?

Exactly. This FA period has been quiet as expected due to the owners' outlook on the CBA.It is 100% wrong to view this year as an uncapped year - rather it should be viewed as a year without a salary floor. The ONLY team that spent any real money was Chicago, and that was due to them not having any firsts or seconds in the draft. They needed to spend and they did. Who else threw down major $$ on anyone? Moreover, who was there to throw money down on? Tomlinson or Thomas Jones? Chester Taylor?The Eagles could have had Jennings in the draft but now need a complimentary back for McCoy. I don't think adding LT2 was the right answer, and Chester Taylor was scooped up and overpaid for by Chicago (see the theme?). The only one I can give you is Thomas Jones, and that is debatable.Philly will draft another RB because there are plenty and they can groom a duo backfield for years to come. As others have said, our RBs are pass catchers (#1 screen team) first, pass blockers second, and rushers third. How often did Westy rush 20 times a game in his career? I haven't looked but I doubt > 15% of his career. Bell could easily be the veteran guy to groom a 4th RB (Mallett?) to go with McCoy while Weaver contributes like he has last year.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Very good? 18.0 sacks in four years? His only season of note, was in 2007, when he had 7 sacks. Four of those 7 sacks came in one game. The same "very good" player who went from 16 starts to 11 starts to 5 over the last three years, for a defense starved for playmakers? THAT Darryl Tapp?Very good!?!? He's better than Chris Clemons; which isn't saying much seeing as how he was our least effective end.

Jason - simple question - have you seen Tapp play, or are you judging just by the numbers?Tapp was the third DE last year. He's a good DE and you'll be pleasantly surprised by his play. I watched him throughout his career at Va Tech. The change of scenery is what he needed.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Shawn Andrews = released.

 

[scratcher]

Shawn Andrews = released.

What a shame. Line right now?Peters --- Herremans --- ????? ---- ?????? ---- JusticeI have to think the Eagles go OL early in the draft.

 

[zadok]

Shawn Andrews = released.

What a shame. Line right now?Peters --- Herremans --- ????? ---- ?????? ---- JusticeI have to think the Eagles go OL early in the draft.

So ends the tragic saga of Shawn Andrews... Stacy Andrews has got to have the inside track at RG. Center I still think they should upgrade. Jackson/Cole aren't good enough. Why not bring in Mawae?

 

[SouthJersey]

Shawn Andrews = released.

good. let that scrub get his Michael Phelps on in another city.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Shawn Andrews = released.

What a shame. Line right now?Peters --- Herremans --- ????? ---- ?????? ---- JusticeI have to think the Eagles go OL early in the draft.

So ends the tragic saga of Shawn Andrews... Stacy Andrews has got to have the inside track at RG. Center I still think they should upgrade. Jackson/Cole aren't good enough. Why not bring in Mawae?

I would REALLY like to seem them land Maurkice Pouncey. That would be huge!

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The below was a post from another board I go to from a Seattle fan ragarding the Tapp trade:

Awful, indefensible move.

Tapp signed his tender. Is traded to Philadelphia for Chris Clemons and their 4th round pick.

Tapp is 25. The next 3 years will be his prime. He's been close to the top of the league in QB hurries the past 2 years despite being on an atrocious team that mostly played from behind, facing offenses running out the clock.

Chris Clemons is a 28 year old situational passer, 6'3" 240 (that's linebacker size), undrafted in 2003, bounced around the league, and has accomplished little. He's exiting his prime and Tapp has already been measurably better against the run and the pass.

We also get Philly's 4th round pick. Which I can only guess will be packaged up with perhaps our 5th to trade for 3rd-string San Diego QB Charlie Whitehurst. An intriguing QB prospect, that fills our backup QB hole and holds some potential to become a good starting QB. But he holds about as much potential as Tony Pike does, will cost the picks and the contract, then the development time, possibly will cost the passing on the drafting of a QB in perhaps the deepest QB draft since 2004 when we have 3 picks in the top 40.

And also, possibly, just cost us our best defensive end. Who is in the top dozen in the league for ability and pass rush production, lacking in sacks on a piss-poor team. We invested the resources to develop him.

Now that he's poised to break out, he'll be going to a superior team, profoundly personnel-savvy, great at manufacturing pressure, where he'll be a dark horse for DPOY. I'm serious. I expect Tapp to hit about 15 sacks. And the myth about him being poor against the run is only based on his lighter stature.

Oh yeah, and Chris Clemons comes with a 5-year contract that he just signed with Philadelphia. So we saddled ourselves with that.

This is an indefensible move. I am disgusted.

***I didn't know much about Tapp but this guy is a devoted Seattle fan and I respect his opinion and I hope he's right!!

 

[Gold Standard]

The below was a post from another board I go to from a Seattle fan ragarding the Tapp trade:Awful, indefensible move.Tapp signed his tender. Is traded to Philadelphia for Chris Clemons and their 4th round pick.Tapp is 25. The next 3 years will be his prime. He's been close to the top of the league in QB hurries the past 2 years despite being on an atrocious team that mostly played from behind, facing offenses running out the clock.Chris Clemons is a 28 year old situational passer, 6'3" 240 (that's linebacker size), undrafted in 2003, bounced around the league, and has accomplished little. He's exiting his prime and Tapp has already been measurably better against the run and the pass.We also get Philly's 4th round pick. Which I can only guess will be packaged up with perhaps our 5th to trade for 3rd-string San Diego QB Charlie Whitehurst. An intriguing QB prospect, that fills our backup QB hole and holds some potential to become a good starting QB. But he holds about as much potential as Tony Pike does, will cost the picks and the contract, then the development time, possibly will cost the passing on the drafting of a QB in perhaps the deepest QB draft since 2004 when we have 3 picks in the top 40.And also, possibly, just cost us our best defensive end. Who is in the top dozen in the league for ability and pass rush production, lacking in sacks on a piss-poor team. We invested the resources to develop him.Now that he's poised to break out, he'll be going to a superior team, profoundly personnel-savvy, great at manufacturing pressure, where he'll be a dark horse for DPOY. I'm serious. I expect Tapp to hit about 15 sacks. And the myth about him being poor against the run is only based on his lighter stature.Oh yeah, and Chris Clemons comes with a 5-year contract that he just signed with Philadelphia. So we saddled ourselves with that.This is an indefensible move. I am disgusted.***I didn't know much about Tapp but this guy is a devoted Seattle fan and I respect his opinion and I hope he's right!!

Honestly how can anyone moan about getting a 25 year old DE with upside for a 4th round pick. Plus, I don't have to see Chris Clemons in midnight green anymore - talk about a waste of space. Unless you've watched countless tape on this kid - let's not judge it yet. We need a pass rush, hopefully he helps.

 

[Fire the Fat Man]

Shawn Andrews = released.

What a shame. Line right now?Peters --- Herremans --- ????? ---- ?????? ---- JusticeI have to think the Eagles go OL early in the draft.

Peters----Herremans---Cole (unless Jackson somehow recovers in time)-----Stacy Andrews----Justice.That is your starting offensive line

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Very good? 18.0 sacks in four years? His only season of note, was in 2007, when he had 7 sacks. Four of those 7 sacks came in one game. The same "very good" player who went from 16 starts to 11 starts to 5 over the last three years, for a defense starved for playmakers? THAT Darryl Tapp?

Very good!?!? He's better than Chris Clemons; which isn't saying much seeing as how he was our least effective end.

Meanwhile I'm left asking:

*** Who is going to run the ball consistently, or are we abandoning that concept?

*** Who is going to start at linebacker, and are we even going to try to have depth?

*** What if, shocking as it may be, Marlin Jackson doesn't work out?

*** Are we going to add depth to our offensive line?

Well there were so many great players in this years free agent market thus I can completely understand your frustration. The Eagles let a ton of talent just walk right pass them and sign with other teams. What a major let down. Typical Eagles.

So there weren't affordable, and better, safeties available? There weren't REALLY affordable, PRODUCTIVE, RBs to be had?

It's an uncapped year for a team with plenty of cash flow and we're playing cheap for Mike "Friggin" Bell to save a million when there are HOW many RBs available?

Sorry, I'm usually the one defending the Birds decisions (especially against all the anti-McNabb knuckleheads), but this hasn't been an offseason of note. It's not a disaster by any stretch, because as you say this wasn't a bumper crop year for free agency. But it's a DEEP draft which is why, again, I'm frustrated that we're letting 4th and 5th round picks go for what, IMHO, doesn't amount to much improvement for this team.

Which teams in the NFL have had an off season of note in your opinion?

Exactly. This FA period has been quiet as expected due to the owners' outlook on the CBA.

See here is where I think you are missing the big picture and thats TALENT. Because of the current CBA and 5 year players not becoming available as unrestricted free agents, there just is not that much talent out there to go get. To over spend in this market on average to below average talent would not be wise. There simply arent that many good players available. The Eagles resigned an all pro full back, a very capable rb, traded for a very capable DE, and signed a corner that is questionable. Seems pretty good to me given the talent available.

 

[JetMaxx]

Come on DH, tell me somethin's cookin' here....A bit concerned that Reid overplayed his hand considering the news that Whitehurst might sign in SEA and CLE has acquired all available stiffs at QB in anticipation of a draft pick.

Congrats to Reid. In a down QB year where there is one very questionable franchise QB(Bradford), CLE acquires Wallace and Delhomme, SEA acquires Whitehurst, and AZ acquires Anderson. Remarkably well played on the McNabb/Kolb/Vick trade front.

 

[Routilla]

Seems like the Eagles are making a lot of splashes in FA this year, but not a lot of waves.

 

[Jason Wood]

Come on DH, tell me somethin's cookin' here....A bit concerned that Reid overplayed his hand considering the news that Whitehurst might sign in SEA and CLE has acquired all available stiffs at QB in anticipation of a draft pick.

Congrats to Reid. In a down QB year where there is one very questionable franchise QB(Bradford), CLE acquires Wallace and Delhomme, SEA acquires Whitehurst, and AZ acquires Anderson. Remarkably well played on the McNabb/Kolb/Vick trade front.

You're really surprised? Kolb and McNabb both should/would demand much higher compensation than what any of those other QBs fetched in return. And Vick is...well Vick is a unique case. If BUF or STL don't bite, they'll cut him.

 

[babydemon90]

Come on DH, tell me somethin's cookin' here....A bit concerned that Reid overplayed his hand considering the news that Whitehurst might sign in SEA and CLE has acquired all available stiffs at QB in anticipation of a draft pick.

Congrats to Reid. In a down QB year where there is one very questionable franchise QB(Bradford), CLE acquires Wallace and Delhomme, SEA acquires Whitehurst, and AZ acquires Anderson. Remarkably well played on the McNabb/Kolb/Vick trade front.

You're really surprised? Kolb and McNabb both should/would demand much higher compensation than what any of those other QBs fetched in return. And Vick is...well Vick is a unique case. If BUF or STL don't bite, they'll cut him.

I doubt they'd cut him - why not just hold him, let him walk next year and at least get the compensatory pick...

 

[JetMaxx]

Come on DH, tell me somethin's cookin' here....A bit concerned that Reid overplayed his hand considering the news that Whitehurst might sign in SEA and CLE has acquired all available stiffs at QB in anticipation of a draft pick.

Congrats to Reid. In a down QB year where there is one very questionable franchise QB(Bradford), CLE acquires Wallace and Delhomme, SEA acquires Whitehurst, and AZ acquires Anderson. Remarkably well played on the McNabb/Kolb/Vick trade front.

You're really surprised? Kolb and McNabb both should/would demand much higher compensation than what any of those other QBs fetched in return. And Vick is...well Vick is a unique case. If BUF or STL don't bite, they'll cut him.

Obviously. My point is that those teams so desperate for a QB in a bad QB year would rather settle for those retread stiffs than pay Reid what he's asking. And I forgot that STL went with Feeley. SEA would rather give up what equates to a late 2nd rd pick for a guy that's done nothing and has looked horrible in the preseason whenever he's gotten playing time. Very telling and at the same time disappointing. While we don't know all of the details(perhaps DH could shed some light), on the surface it would seem that Reid poorly played this.

 

[CaptainHook]

i disagree

things will get better after the draft as the season approaches and coaches start freaking out about their qb situation.

 

[Gold Standard]

Come on DH, tell me somethin's cookin' here....A bit concerned that Reid overplayed his hand considering the news that Whitehurst might sign in SEA and CLE has acquired all available stiffs at QB in anticipation of a draft pick.

Congrats to Reid. In a down QB year where there is one very questionable franchise QB(Bradford), CLE acquires Wallace and Delhomme, SEA acquires Whitehurst, and AZ acquires Anderson. Remarkably well played on the McNabb/Kolb/Vick trade front.

You're really surprised? Kolb and McNabb both should/would demand much higher compensation than what any of those other QBs fetched in return. And Vick is...well Vick is a unique case. If BUF or STL don't bite, they'll cut him.

Obviously. My point is that those teams so desperate for a QB in a bad QB year would rather settle for those retread stiffs than pay Reid what he's asking. And I forgot that STL went with Feeley. SEA would rather give up what equates to a late 2nd rd pick for a guy that's done nothing and has looked horrible in the preseason whenever he's gotten playing time. Very telling and at the same time disappointing. While we don't know all of the details(perhaps DH could shed some light), on the surface it would seem that Reid poorly played this.

I think we are all going to have to wait for the draft to see if there is any movement on the QB front. My main contention with going with Kolb for 2010 is that the defense is just so far behind in being ready for primetime, that why wouldn't you let Kolb play next year and develop with the rest of this young nucleus, so that when the defense is ready to dominate, Kolb is already at full speed and has got most of the kinks out. Just so silly going with McNabb next year, and you know he's going to bark about being a lame duck even though they threw him shut up money last summer.

 

[Jason Wood]

I agree that the draft will set more things in motion. I would be shocked if Vick remains on the team in 2010 UNLESS the Eagles somehow get someone to take McNabb or Kolb soon after the draft (if not before). I think they're trying to hedge their bets right now, and would probably keep Vick as the QB2 if 5 of K were shipped off.

 

[renesauz]

Come on DH, tell me somethin's cookin' here....A bit concerned that Reid overplayed his hand considering the news that Whitehurst might sign in SEA and CLE has acquired all available stiffs at QB in anticipation of a draft pick.

Congrats to Reid. In a down QB year where there is one very questionable franchise QB(Bradford), CLE acquires Wallace and Delhomme, SEA acquires Whitehurst, and AZ acquires Anderson. Remarkably well played on the McNabb/Kolb/Vick trade front.

You're really surprised? Kolb and McNabb both should/would demand much higher compensation than what any of those other QBs fetched in return. And Vick is...well Vick is a unique case. If BUF or STL don't bite, they'll cut him.

I doubt they'd cut him - why not just hold him, let him walk next year and at least get the compensatory pick...

I can't see cutting him. His salary may be high for a third stringer, but it's not enough to hamstring the team in this uncapped year. The possibilities in a wildcat justify keeping him for now.

 

[Polish Hammer]

Maybe someone mentioned this, and maybe I'm over simplifying things but what about this scenario?

Underlying facts

-the team can still be competitive this year, but needs a new direction at QB at SOME point this year to prepare for the future

-the likely long term future at QB for this team (unless bowled over by some trade offer) is Kolb

-McNabb often misses time at some point during the season

-McNabb will be a FA after this year as an Eagle unless we extend him

Plan

-If you have another QB project in the draft that can be had cheap and develop for a few years, trade Vick for what you can get for him (a 3rd would be great, a 4th to replace the one lost for Tapp with a conditional for the following year would be acceptable...maybe I'm overestimating his value though)

-Sign Kolb to a long term extension (say 4 or 5 years) that has bonuses tied to him being the starter AFTER this year; he has the opportunity to learn for another year and really absorb the offense even more...plus with the OL still in flux you aren't putting him in any unnecessary risk of getting pummeled as a new starter

-Let McNabb ride out his time in Philly this year as the starter to begin the season and have one more shot at glory; his play/effort should be good since he'll be playing for his contract next year as a FA (would we potentially get some compensation for him leaving as a FA then as well?)

-Though it's unlikely, you could trade McNabb post-draft or even in season before the deadline if the right opportunity presents itself since you've already committed to Kolb as the eventual starter anyway

-If McNabb otherwise fizzles or gets hurt, Kolb steps in and his era begins

Doesn't this seem to protect both short and long-term interests for the team?

 

[CaptainHook]

dont you want to see kolb in action before you decide hes the future and sign him long term ?

and why would kolb sign a deal that gives him bonuses for being a starter? Hes probably already steaming about sitting on the bench all year. Adding an incentive for the team to continue keeping him on the bench is not something he'd ever go for.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Darren Howard and Kevin Curtis were cut.

 

[Matt's Eagles]

Darren Howard and Kevin Curtis were cut.

Yeah Eagles will probably draft 2 or 3 DL/DTThey also have DJax, Maclin, Avant, Baskett at WR

 

[Gold Standard]

Maybe someone mentioned this, and maybe I'm over simplifying things but what about this scenario?Underlying facts-the team can still be competitive this year, but needs a new direction at QB at SOME point this year to prepare for the future-the likely long term future at QB for this team (unless bowled over by some trade offer) is Kolb-McNabb often misses time at some point during the season-McNabb will be a FA after this year as an Eagle unless we extend himPlan-If you have another QB project in the draft that can be had cheap and develop for a few years, trade Vick for what you can get for him (a 3rd would be great, a 4th to replace the one lost for Tapp with a conditional for the following year would be acceptable...maybe I'm overestimating his value though)-Sign Kolb to a long term extension (say 4 or 5 years) that has bonuses tied to him being the starter AFTER this year; he has the opportunity to learn for another year and really absorb the offense even more...plus with the OL still in flux you aren't putting him in any unnecessary risk of getting pummeled as a new starter-Let McNabb ride out his time in Philly this year as the starter to begin the season and have one more shot at glory; his play/effort should be good since he'll be playing for his contract next year as a FA (would we potentially get some compensation for him leaving as a FA then as well?)-Though it's unlikely, you could trade McNabb post-draft or even in season before the deadline if the right opportunity presents itself since you've already committed to Kolb as the eventual starter anyway-If McNabb otherwise fizzles or gets hurt, Kolb steps in and his era beginsDoesn't this seem to protect both short and long-term interests for the team?

I just don't think the defense is where it needs to be in order to be competitive this year. We'll be lucky to split the NFC East and we get the AFC South this year. Now if competeive to you is the last seed of the wild card, then ok your in for yet another year of the Reid/Mcnabb dynamic. Oh joy, where do I sign up for that? I just would much rather rebuild the defense (which they're slowly doing) and start the Kolb era NOW. Until this team can put real pressure on the QB - that isn't manufactured via scheming, and actually cover the middle of the field, we don't have a long haul in us. Just my two cents.

 

[MySportsPress:D.P.]

Even though its an uncapped year, anyone know the rough estimate of our player salaries after all these cuts, seems we've made some space for whenever the cap comes back?

 

[Polish Hammer]

dont you want to see kolb in action before you decide hes the future and sign him long term ?and why would kolb sign a deal that gives him bonuses for being a starter? Hes probably already steaming about sitting on the bench all year. Adding an incentive for the team to continue keeping him on the bench is not something he'd ever go for.

I said part of that incompletely. I meant that his bonuses for starting would be tied to this year...meaning he'd be rewarded for being a starter this year IF it happens. He's be making more money that way than he currently is scheduled to. The future years of the deal he'd be getting starter money to begin with.

 

[gonzobill5]

Darren Howard and Kevin Curtis were cut.

Yeah Eagles will probably draft 2 or 3 DL/DTThey also have DJax, Maclin, Avant, Baskett at WR

Amazing how fast time flies. Seems like only yesterday these guys were going to put this team over the hump. I wish they cut Curtis last year. They could have still kept someone like Gibson or Amendola in his place as a project/special teamer.

 

[JAA]

Didn't they tender him at a 2nd round pick?

he signed his tender

 

[scratcher]

Possible trade of Gocong to Browns?

 

[JAA]

Shawn Andrews = released.

and my rant continues ...We traded up for SA and, as Ive said all along, we should have drafted Steven Jackson... bitter

 

[houndirish]

I'm curious to hear how you guys see the WR position playing out in the next few years. I've been surprised at the numbers Desean Jackson has put up in his early career as despite his playmaking ability and athleticism, I didn't see him being able to stay healthy due to his diminutive size. I also liked Maclin's pro prospects coming into the league better than Jackson's. Anyone feel that Maclin will evolve into the #1 ahead of Jackson or is Desean firmly cemented as the alpha male?

 

[travdogg]

I'm curious to hear how you guys see the WR position playing out in the next few years. I've been surprised at the numbers Desean Jackson has put up in his early career as despite his playmaking ability and athleticism, I didn't see him being able to stay healthy due to his diminutive size. I also liked Maclin's pro prospects coming into the league better than Jackson's. Anyone feel that Maclin will evolve into the #1 ahead of Jackson or is Desean firmly cemented as the alpha male?

I think DeSean is firmly planted as the alpha male as you put it. However that doesn't mean Maclin can't also excel. I see this as being kind of like a Harrison/Wayne or Bruce/Holt deal, only Jackson isn't significantly older. A year or two from now, I think this and Rice/Harvin in Minnesota will likely be the best 1-2 punches at WR in the NFL.Jackson's attitude I think is also a reason I like him to stay as the #1 guy. He just seems to want to be the best, not in a cliche' way either. He will outwork anyone, he is a little cocky, but he's like Ocho Cinco in the sense that he wants to back it up and usually does. Its more of a just having fun attitude than a derisive attitude.Jackson is just getting started, I don't think Philly has entirely figured out how to use him yet. He's far more than just a deep threat, he's an elite deep threat with top notch short area quickness and the ability to score on a bomb or a screen or any other route on any given play. I don't want to overhype the guy, but I feel its possible he'll be a top-5 WR for the next 7-8 years, I really see him as being similar to Harrison or Bruce only faster, and less refined, for now. I'm not overly worried about his size being an injury risk, its tough to hit a target that fast and he seems to have a good idea of when to go down, or go out of bounds when necessary. Jackson is totally capable of being an 80 plus catch WR in my opinion. He's still improving and I think he's got the potential to be the best WR in Eagles history.As for Maclin, I don't see the same attitude of wanting to be the very best in the game. That's not a knock on Maclin, its just another thing that makes Jackson special. Also, it rarely is a good thing to have two of those guys. I think Maclin will happily be the Robin to D-Jax's Batman. Maclin is an excellent playmaker in his own right and the Eagles were wise to draft him(though Harvin may have been a better pick) I envision him being a top notch #2 and being a monster whenever teams decide to sell out to stop Jackson. Look no further than the Bucs game or even the playoff game against Dallas. He'll be extremely successful against #2 corners and if Jackson goes down he will be fully capable of picking up the slack. Both of these guys have multiple 1,000 yard seasons in their futures. But I just think Jackson's potential is higher, and by a noticeable margin.Whoever is Philly's QB over the next couple years will look good. AJ Feeley could put up over 3,000 yards and TD's with these guys. If Kolb is the guy than great, if its McNabb I still think he'll be carried by these WR's(which will be a nice change of pace for him) even Vick could look great with these two and Celek.The future of the Eagles offense looks very bright to me, regardless of who the QB is, unless its a Detmer.

 

[D'OHtis]

Whoever is Philly's QB over the next couple years will look good. AJ Feeley could put up over 3,000 yards and TD's with these guys. If Kolb is the guy than great, if its McNabb I still think he'll be carried by these WR's(which will be a nice change of pace for him) even Vick could look great with these two and Celek.The future of the Eagles offense looks very bright to me, regardless of who the QB is, unless its a Detmer.

I think it's a stretch to say Vick would look great considering he's never looked great passing pre-prison. I do agree they have a solid young nucleus at the receiving position. Wasting them away with Vick at QB would be the worst case scenario.I think McNabb's shown he can look good, but I don't think good is good enough with him anymore. I would have parted with McNabb for a high 2nd+ in a heartbeat. Then again, I love those high 2nd picks with cheap contracts [especially with a guy with a questionable future in the organization like McNabb]

 

[G-King]

I'm curious to hear how you guys see the WR position playing out in the next few years. I've been surprised at the numbers Desean Jackson has put up in his early career as despite his playmaking ability and athleticism, I didn't see him being able to stay healthy due to his diminutive size. I also liked Maclin's pro prospects coming into the league better than Jackson's. Anyone feel that Maclin will evolve into the #1 ahead of Jackson or is Desean firmly cemented as the alpha male?

I think DeSean is firmly planted as the alpha male as you put it. However that doesn't mean Maclin can't also excel. I see this as being kind of like a Harrison/Wayne or Bruce/Holt deal, only Jackson isn't significantly older. A year or two from now, I think this and Rice/Harvin in Minnesota will likely be the best 1-2 punches at WR in the NFL.Jackson's attitude I think is also a reason I like him to stay as the #1 guy. He just seems to want to be the best, not in a cliche' way either. He will outwork anyone, he is a little cocky, but he's like Ocho Cinco in the sense that he wants to back it up and usually does. Its more of a just having fun attitude than a derisive attitude.Jackson is just getting started, I don't think Philly has entirely figured out how to use him yet. He's far more than just a deep threat, he's an elite deep threat with top notch short area quickness and the ability to score on a bomb or a screen or any other route on any given play. I don't want to overhype the guy, but I feel its possible he'll be a top-5 WR for the next 7-8 years, I really see him as being similar to Harrison or Bruce only faster, and less refined, for now. I'm not overly worried about his size being an injury risk, its tough to hit a target that fast and he seems to have a good idea of when to go down, or go out of bounds when necessary. Jackson is totally capable of being an 80 plus catch WR in my opinion. He's still improving and I think he's got the potential to be the best WR in Eagles history.As for Maclin, I don't see the same attitude of wanting to be the very best in the game. That's not a knock on Maclin, its just another thing that makes Jackson special. Also, it rarely is a good thing to have two of those guys. I think Maclin will happily be the Robin to D-Jax's Batman. Maclin is an excellent playmaker in his own right and the Eagles were wise to draft him(though Harvin may have been a better pick) I envision him being a top notch #2 and being a monster whenever teams decide to sell out to stop Jackson. Look no further than the Bucs game or even the playoff game against Dallas. He'll be extremely successful against #2 corners and if Jackson goes down he will be fully capable of picking up the slack. Both of these guys have multiple 1,000 yard seasons in their futures. But I just think Jackson's potential is higher, and by a noticeable margin.Whoever is Philly's QB over the next couple years will look good. AJ Feeley could put up over 3,000 yards and TD's with these guys. If Kolb is the guy than great, if its McNabb I still think he'll be carried by these WR's(which will be a nice change of pace for him) even Vick could look great with these two and Celek.The future of the Eagles offense looks very bright to me, regardless of who the QB is, unless its a Detmer.

I was told a projection on Maclin from someone in the know, of 800 to 1,000 yards for him. It sounds like his teammate is pretty high on him....FWIW.

 

[JetMaxx]

I'm curious to hear how you guys see the WR position playing out in the next few years. I've been surprised at the numbers Desean Jackson has put up in his early career as despite his playmaking ability and athleticism, I didn't see him being able to stay healthy due to his diminutive size. I also liked Maclin's pro prospects coming into the league better than Jackson's. Anyone feel that Maclin will evolve into the #1 ahead of Jackson or is Desean firmly cemented as the alpha male?

I think DeSean is firmly planted as the alpha male as you put it. However that doesn't mean Maclin can't also excel. I see this as being kind of like a Harrison/Wayne or Bruce/Holt deal, only Jackson isn't significantly older. A year or two from now, I think this and Rice/Harvin in Minnesota will likely be the best 1-2 punches at WR in the NFL.Jackson's attitude I think is also a reason I like him to stay as the #1 guy. He just seems to want to be the best, not in a cliche' way either. He will outwork anyone, he is a little cocky, but he's like Ocho Cinco in the sense that he wants to back it up and usually does. Its more of a just having fun attitude than a derisive attitude.Jackson is just getting started, I don't think Philly has entirely figured out how to use him yet. He's far more than just a deep threat, he's an elite deep threat with top notch short area quickness and the ability to score on a bomb or a screen or any other route on any given play. I don't want to overhype the guy, but I feel its possible he'll be a top-5 WR for the next 7-8 years, I really see him as being similar to Harrison or Bruce only faster, and less refined, for now. I'm not overly worried about his size being an injury risk, its tough to hit a target that fast and he seems to have a good idea of when to go down, or go out of bounds when necessary. Jackson is totally capable of being an 80 plus catch WR in my opinion. He's still improving and I think he's got the potential to be the best WR in Eagles history.As for Maclin, I don't see the same attitude of wanting to be the very best in the game. That's not a knock on Maclin, its just another thing that makes Jackson special. Also, it rarely is a good thing to have two of those guys. I think Maclin will happily be the Robin to D-Jax's Batman. Maclin is an excellent playmaker in his own right and the Eagles were wise to draft him(though Harvin may have been a better pick) I envision him being a top notch #2 and being a monster whenever teams decide to sell out to stop Jackson. Look no further than the Bucs game or even the playoff game against Dallas. He'll be extremely successful against #2 corners and if Jackson goes down he will be fully capable of picking up the slack. Both of these guys have multiple 1,000 yard seasons in their futures. But I just think Jackson's potential is higher, and by a noticeable margin.Whoever is Philly's QB over the next couple years will look good. AJ Feeley could put up over 3,000 yards and TD's with these guys. If Kolb is the guy than great, if its McNabb I still think he'll be carried by these WR's(which will be a nice change of pace for him) even Vick could look great with these two and Celek.The future of the Eagles offense looks very bright to me, regardless of who the QB is, unless its a Detmer.

I was told a projection on Maclin from someone in the know, of 800 to 1,000 yards for him. It sounds like his teammate is pretty high on him....FWIW.

The true question is whether said teammate will have anything to do with that projection becoming reality.

 

[scratcher]

There are rumors that Sheldon Brown is being shopped. I guess the Eagles really are determined to clean house. Anyone else hear anything about this?

 

[bighandsray]

There are rumors that Sheldon Brown is being shopped. I guess the Eagles really are determined to clean house. Anyone else hear anything about this?

I hope what you are saying is not true. On a week to week basis Sheldon is perhaps the most consistent defender we have. If they are cleaning house fine but McNabb needs to go if that is case. Who is reporting the rumor?

 

[scratcher]

There are rumors that Sheldon Brown is being shopped. I guess the Eagles really are determined to clean house. Anyone else hear anything about this?

I hope what you are saying is not true. On a week to week basis Sheldon is perhaps the most consistent defender we have. If they are cleaning house fine but McNabb needs to go if that is case. Who is reporting the rumor?

Tommy Lawlor

I love what he's done for the Eagles in his time here, but there is a real strong chance he's played his last game for us. He was a good soldier last year and didn't complain publicly, but he wants more money and the Eagles just don't think he's worth it. The best thing for both sides is probably to part ways. We'll get younger at RCB and he might get someone to pony up some extra dough. No matter what, Sheldon wasn't going to be here long. He's a bit short, lacks ideal speed, and is on the wrong side of 30. At some point he'll go over the cliff. I'd love to move him to FS, but Sheldon is a proud man and I don't think he wants to do that.

Brown is probably headed in a different direction. He wants a raise. That won't happen. I've heard rumblings that the Eagles will shop him around.

 

[Gold Standard]

There are rumors that Sheldon Brown is being shopped. I guess the Eagles really are determined to clean house. Anyone else hear anything about this?

I hope what you are saying is not true. On a week to week basis Sheldon is perhaps the most consistent defender we have. If they are cleaning house fine but McNabb needs to go if that is case. Who is reporting the rumor?

Tommy Lawlor

I love what he's done for the Eagles in his time here, but there is a real strong chance he's played his last game for us. He was a good soldier last year and didn't complain publicly, but he wants more money and the Eagles just don't think he's worth it. The best thing for both sides is probably to part ways. We'll get younger at RCB and he might get someone to pony up some extra dough. No matter what, Sheldon wasn't going to be here long. He's a bit short, lacks ideal speed, and is on the wrong side of 30. At some point he'll go over the cliff. I'd love to move him to FS, but Sheldon is a proud man and I don't think he wants to do that.

Brown is probably headed in a different direction. He wants a raise. That won't happen. I've heard rumblings that the Eagles will shop him around.

I'm not really sure what your expect to get from a CB that just turned 31 last Friday.

 

[Zoomanji]

Fictional Philly sports radio rumor of the week

From a friend cause I don't listen to that crap

FM 97.5 in Philly, is reporting that the Browns are offering two 1st rounders for Kevin Kolb

 

[bweiser]

Fictional Philly sports radio rumor of the week

From a friend cause I don't listen to that crap

FM 97.5 in Philly, is reporting that the Browns are offering two 1st rounders for Kevin Kolb

would that be 2 this year or 2 different years?either way, that's awesome.

 

[shimtown]

Filed to ESPN: Saints will not match offer sheet that RB Mike Bell signed with Philadelphia. Bell is now an Eagle.

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter

 

[Gold Standard]

I like the move - solid compliment to McCoy and more importantly they don't have to draft and RB in the first three rounds.