*** Official 2010 Philadelphia Eagles Thread *** (1 Viewer)

[CiscoKid]

Why do I need to think again - because you're "trade evaluator" tells you so? I'll stick with my Heyward-Bey / Harvin example as to why I feel that McNabb, a 6 time pro bowler, is worth more than moving up slightly in the 1st.

You're example is nonsensical and moving up half the draft board (16 spots) is more than "slightly."

Exactly why is my example "nonsensical" - because the difference doesn't seem worth it to you? Like it or not, that is the difference in the "quality" of players drafted in those spots last year. How about 2008, then: #4 Darren McFadden, #24 Chris Johnson - does that difference seem worth McNabb?Let's approach it differently - without using your all knowing "trade evaluator", tell me why you think why McNabb is only worth moving up 16 spots, and how does moving him for that benefit the team in returned value? Specifically, who do you think we'll get at #8 as opposed to #24 to make it worth it?

 

[None_More_Black]

Also, this is only my opinion. But I think a deal for Philly and Oakland would be McNabb & #24 for Oakland's #8. That would put McNabb's value at the #28 pick in the 1st. I think that is close to his value and would be enough to make the Eagles happy. Plus, it might explain bringing Berry in for a workout.

Trading McNabb to move up 16 spots in the first would be a horrible trade, IMHO. I think it would have to be something like McNabb and #24 for #8 and #39. It's almost appaling to me how little some fans think McNabb is worth. Additionally, Berry probably won't be there at #8.

Sal Pal was just on 950 and said he just got off the phone with a senior Eagles official and that they have multiple offers for McNabb, but none better then a 3rd rounder. Although he did say that there were also offers for players and he even threw in "pro-bowl type". How valuable do you think Mcnabb is?

So you don't know the specific players that were offered in addition to these (speculated) 3rd round picks, but yet you are throwing this out there to state definitively what McNabb's perceived trade value is? Really???

No Sal Pal said there were offers for picks and he emphasised the word picks. He also said they have had offers for player(s) some were pro-bowl type. He never said that they were a combination of picks AND players. He also said they haven't been offered anything higher then a 3rd. And where am I stating McNabb's value, I'm asking your opinion? If they were offered a 1st rounder, they would have already made a trade.

Like any Eagle official would tell Palintonio that all they were getting offered was thirds. That's not how you use the media to drum up the better offers.

 

[Cassius]

Like any Eagle official would tell Palintonio that all they were getting offered was thirds. That's not how you use the media to drum up the better offers.

Eagles are driving up the value by emphasizing multiple discussions with multiple teams.

 

[Bushead]

Like any Eagle official would tell Palintonio that all they were getting offered was thirds. That's not how you use the media to drum up the better offers.

my first thought as well

 

[Snotbubbles]

Like any Eagle official would tell Palintonio that all they were getting offered was thirds. That's not how you use the media to drum up the better offers.

I can't imagine Sal Pal would make up the "nothing higher then a 3rd". Why be that specific? Unless he was assuming that if the Eagles got offered a 2nd for McNabb they would have already made a deal with a team. And quite frankly, Howie Roseman (and by extension, the people who work under him) dosn't strike me as people who know what they're doing, especially from the gross mishandling of the QB situation.

 

[Domination]

Why do I need to think again - because you're "trade evaluator" tells you so? I'll stick with my Heyward-Bey / Harvin example as to why I feel that McNabb, a 6 time pro bowler, is worth more than moving up slightly in the 1st.

You're example is nonsensical and moving up half the draft board (16 spots) is more than "slightly."

Exactly why is my example "nonsensical" - because the difference doesn't seem worth it to you? Like it or not, that is the difference in the "quality" of players drafted in those spots last year. How about 2008, then: #4 Darren McFadden, #24 Chris Johnson - does that difference seem worth McNabb?Let's approach it differently - without using your all knowing "trade evaluator", tell me why you think why McNabb is only worth moving up 16 spots, and how does moving him for that benefit the team in returned value? Specifically, who do you think we'll get at #8 as opposed to #24 to make it worth it?

Reading this brought me great amusement. You picked 2 different comparisons that fit your thinking. I would counter your DHB/Harvin by saying that neither would have been around at their respective picks of #8 & #24. But could use Crabtree & Britt. 2008, McFadden wouldn't have been there, but I could use Ryan Clady & Duane Brown. There are good picks made early and late in every round, but there is a greater chance of getting a better player with an earlier pick.

 

[phillyphan07]

Why do I need to think again - because you're "trade evaluator" tells you so? I'll stick with my Heyward-Bey / Harvin example as to why I feel that McNabb, a 6 time pro bowler, is worth more than moving up slightly in the 1st.

You're example is nonsensical and moving up half the draft board (16 spots) is more than "slightly."

Exactly why is my example "nonsensical" - because the difference doesn't seem worth it to you? Like it or not, that is the difference in the "quality" of players drafted in those spots last year. How about 2008, then: #4 Darren McFadden, #24 Chris Johnson - does that difference seem worth McNabb?Let's approach it differently - without using your all knowing "trade evaluator", tell me why you think why McNabb is only worth moving up 16 spots, and how does moving him for that benefit the team in returned value? Specifically, who do you think we'll get at #8 as opposed to #24 to make it worth it?

Reading this brought me great amusement. You picked 2 different comparisons that fit your thinking. I would counter your DHB/Harvin by saying that neither would have been around at their respective picks of #8 & #24. But could use Crabtree & Britt. 2008, McFadden wouldn't have been there, but I could use Ryan Clady & Duane Brown. There are good picks made early and late in every round, but there is a greater chance of getting a better player with an earlier pick.

You guys can correct me if I'm wrong, but generally speaking NFL teams do not just "trade up" prior to the draft. The only time you see a team "trade up" is on draft day, when a specific player falls to a specific range of picks that the team decides is worth the value. This has been especially true in recent years when top picks have become almost untradeable because of the large contracts they demand.For example, the 8th pick in 2009 was Eugene Monroe who signed a $35million contract with the Jags. You can assume that whoever is picked at #8 in 2010 will get AT LEAST that much money. Why would the Eagles (or any team for that matter) blindly trade up to #8 if they didn't already know exactly who they are signing to that $35 million contract?

 

[scratcher]

Why do I need to think again - because you're "trade evaluator" tells you so? I'll stick with my Heyward-Bey / Harvin example as to why I feel that McNabb, a 6 time pro bowler, is worth more than moving up slightly in the 1st.

You're example is nonsensical and moving up half the draft board (16 spots) is more than "slightly."

Exactly why is my example "nonsensical" - because the difference doesn't seem worth it to you? Like it or not, that is the difference in the "quality" of players drafted in those spots last year. How about 2008, then: #4 Darren McFadden, #24 Chris Johnson - does that difference seem worth McNabb?Let's approach it differently - without using your all knowing "trade evaluator", tell me why you think why McNabb is only worth moving up 16 spots, and how does moving him for that benefit the team in returned value? Specifically, who do you think we'll get at #8 as opposed to #24 to make it worth it?

Reading this brought me great amusement. You picked 2 different comparisons that fit your thinking. I would counter your DHB/Harvin by saying that neither would have been around at their respective picks of #8 & #24. But could use Crabtree & Britt. 2008, McFadden wouldn't have been there, but I could use Ryan Clady & Duane Brown. There are good picks made early and late in every round, but there is a greater chance of getting a better player with an earlier pick.

You guys can correct me if I'm wrong, but generally speaking NFL teams do not just "trade up" prior to the draft. The only time you see a team "trade up" is on draft day, when a specific player falls to a specific range of picks that the team decides is worth the value. This has been especially true in recent years when top picks have become almost untradeable because of the large contracts they demand.For example, the 8th pick in 2009 was Eugene Monroe who signed a $35million contract with the Jags. You can assume that whoever is picked at #8 in 2010 will get AT LEAST that much money. Why would the Eagles (or any team for that matter) blindly trade up to #8 if they didn't already know exactly who they are signing to that $35 million contract?

Depends what you mean by trading up. Seattle swapped 2nd rnd picks with SD for Whitehurst. If you consider that trading up, then it is done prior to the draft.

 

[phillyphan07]

I was thinking more about trading up in 1st round and essentially trading up into a huge contract commitment.... it probably more common in later rounds when contract money is less of an issue...

 

[ThePassion]

I was thinking more about trading up in 1st round and essentially trading up into a huge contract commitment.... it probably more common in later rounds when contract money is less of an issue...

 

[hydroxybear]

I was thinking more about trading up in 1st round and essentially trading up into a huge contract commitment.... it probably more common in later rounds when contract money is less of an issue...

 

[scratcher]

I know I keep saying this, but McNabb won't be an Eagle by week's end most likely.

Is this info still accurate, DH?

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I know I keep saying this, but McNabb won't be an Eagle by week's end most likely.

Is this info still accurate, DH?

Could be. I don't know, I haven't spoken to him for a few days. Something is weird though, and he's not letting me in on it. This is twice now he's been almost positive McNabb was on the next plane out of Philly and twice things have fallen apart at the last minute.

 

[Jason Wood]

I know I keep saying this, but McNabb won't be an Eagle by week's end most likely.

Is this info still accurate, DH?

Could be. I don't know, I haven't spoken to him for a few days. Something is weird though, and he's not letting me in on it. This is twice now he's been almost positive McNabb was on the next plane out of Philly and twice things have fallen apart at the last minute.

I'm not really surprised. McNabb holds a LOT more cards than some would like to believe. Aside from Oakland, what other team would dream of giving up assets for a QB that won't sign an extension with them?

 

[scratcher]

McNabb holds a LOT more cards than some would like to believe.

What do you mean by this Jason?

 

[delusional]

I know I keep saying this, but McNabb won't be an Eagle by week's end most likely.

Is this info still accurate, DH?

Could be. I don't know, I haven't spoken to him for a few days. Something is weird though, and he's not letting me in on it. This is twice now he's been almost positive McNabb was on the next plane out of Philly and twice things have fallen apart at the last minute.

I'm not really surprised. McNabb holds a LOT more cards than some would like to believe. Aside from Oakland, what other team would dream of giving up assets for a QB that won't sign an extension with them?

and the teams he would play for more then likely are NFC teams. Which the eagles would drive up the asking price for. ( arizona, minn ). Honestly wish SF would get in the talks.

 

[Nagle2998]

Could be. I don't know, I haven't spoken to him for a few days.

Something is weird though, and he's not letting me in on it. This is twice now he's been almost positive McNabb was on the next plane out of Philly and twice things have fallen apart at the last minute.

I'm not really surprised. McNabb holds a LOT more cards than some would like to believe. Aside from Oakland, what other team would dream of giving up assets for a QB that won't sign an extension with them?

and the teams he would play for more then likely are NFC teams. Which the eagles would drive up the asking price for. ( arizona, minn ). Honestly wish SF would get in the talks.

I think SF makes a ton of sense they have two first rounders so they can afford to trade their 2nd for McNabb. The could also get a pick for Alex Smith and if McNabb walks they get a 3rd round comp back. SF also has the weapons with Gore, Crabtree and Davis which might be the best weapons he has ever had. They would easily win the West which i belive they will do without McNabb but with him and playing in that weak division they have a legit shot at home field.

 

[Jason Wood]

McNabb holds a LOT more cards than some would like to believe.

What do you mean by this Jason?

I mean that most teams (I'm going to exclude Oakland for obvious reasons) aren't going to trade for McNabb unless he's willing to agree to an extension. And as a result, he's not going somewhere he doesn't want to UNLESS they make him an obscenely good offer. He can pretty much neg any trade the Eagles come up with IF HE WANTS unless the other team is willing to give up a bounty for a one-year rental. That's leverage.

 

[Pickle Rody]

McNabb holds a LOT more cards than some would like to believe.

What do you mean by this Jason?

I mean that most teams (I'm going to exclude Oakland for obvious reasons) aren't going to trade for McNabb unless he's willing to agree to an extension. And as a result, he's not going somewhere he doesn't want to UNLESS they make him an obscenely good offer. He can pretty much neg any trade the Eagles come up with IF HE WANTS unless the other team is willing to give up a bounty for a one-year rental. That's leverage.

All wants, needs, desires and dreams aside...........this is the bottom line when trying to deal McNabb at this point in time. Last year's non-committal/bonus to McNabb may turn out to bite them in the chassis.

 

[None_More_Black]

McNabb holds a LOT more cards than some would like to believe.

What do you mean by this Jason?

I mean that most teams (I'm going to exclude Oakland for obvious reasons) aren't going to trade for McNabb unless he's willing to agree to an extension. And as a result, he's not going somewhere he doesn't want to UNLESS they make him an obscenely good offer. He can pretty much neg any trade the Eagles come up with IF HE WANTS unless the other team is willing to give up a bounty for a one-year rental. That's leverage.

Two years is enough to scare a 34 year old into deal. For every Favre there is a Delhomme or Bulger. Mcnabb will sign a deal with anyone.

 

[JaxBill]

What player could the Browns be sending? Please don't say Shaun Rogers. I figure that it has to a guy who is more of a 4-3 fit than a 3-4.

Report: Eagles close to sending Brown, Gocong to BrownsThe Eagles are reportedly on the verge of a trade -- no, not that one.The Birds are close to a deal to send cornerback Sheldon Brown and linebacker Chris Gocong to the Cleveland Browns, sources told Clark Judge of CBSSports.com. In exchange, the Eagles would get one of two packages -- either a player and a draft pick or two picks and a backup, Judge writes.An Eagles source confirmed the trade talks to the Daily News and said the deal is contingent on Brown agreeing to a contract extension.Brown has been disgruntled with his contract sign last spring when he requested a trade. He skipped the team's voluntary minicamp but reported on time for training camp and had one of his better seasons, including a career-high five interceptions. He also played through a hamstring injury.At the owners meeting last week, coach Andy Reid said the Eagles had received "a few" inquiries about Brown, and added this: "The nice thing with Sheldon is he’s still under contract and been able to make a living. We’ll just take it from there. We’ll see what happens over time."Gocong has been the subject of trade discussions for quite some time, as he never became the pass rusher the Eagles expected. He played strongside linebacker for the Eagles, but Judge reports he would move inside with the Browns. Gocong signed his restricted free agent tender earlier this week. The Eagles tendered him at the original third-round level.Asked about the strongside linebacker situaton, Reid said, "You’ve got Chris (Gocong) and (Moise) Fokou. We’ll see what happens there."The connections between the Eagles and Browns have been well-documented. New Browns general manager Tom Heckert formerly held that same position with the Eagles, and Reid and new Browns president Mike Holmgren are best friends.

 

[JaxBill]

If/when Sheldon Brown is traded, it will be the end of one of the Eagles' better drafts - 2002

1st (27th overall) Lito Sheppard

2nd (58) Michael Lewis

2nd (59) Sheldon Brown

3rd (91) Brian Westbrook

(Also the year that 7th rounder Raheem Brock was not signed because they couldn't fit him under the rookie cap)

 

[Snotbubbles]

What player could the Browns be sending? Please don't say Shaun Rogers. I figure that it has to a guy who is more of a 4-3 fit than a 3-4.

Report: Eagles close to sending Brown, Gocong to BrownsThe Eagles are reportedly on the verge of a trade -- no, not that one.The Birds are close to a deal to send cornerback Sheldon Brown and linebacker Chris Gocong to the Cleveland Browns, sources told Clark Judge of CBSSports.com. In exchange, the Eagles would get one of two packages -- either a player and a draft pick or two picks and a backup, Judge writes.An Eagles source confirmed the trade talks to the Daily News and said the deal is contingent on Brown agreeing to a contract extension.Brown has been disgruntled with his contract sign last spring when he requested a trade. He skipped the team's voluntary minicamp but reported on time for training camp and had one of his better seasons, including a career-high five interceptions. He also played through a hamstring injury.At the owners meeting last week, coach Andy Reid said the Eagles had received "a few" inquiries about Brown, and added this: "The nice thing with Sheldon is he’s still under contract and been able to make a living. We’ll just take it from there. We’ll see what happens over time."Gocong has been the subject of trade discussions for quite some time, as he never became the pass rusher the Eagles expected. He played strongside linebacker for the Eagles, but Judge reports he would move inside with the Browns. Gocong signed his restricted free agent tender earlier this week. The Eagles tendered him at the original third-round level.Asked about the strongside linebacker situaton, Reid said, "You’ve got Chris (Gocong) and (Moise) Fokou. We’ll see what happens there."The connections between the Eagles and Browns have been well-documented. New Browns general manager Tom Heckert formerly held that same position with the Eagles, and Reid and new Browns president Mike Holmgren are best friends.

Maybe D'Qwell Jackson. The Eagles love their players coming off injury.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Brown and Gocong to Cleveland for

Alex Hall, 2010 4th and 5th round picks

 

[scratcher]

Brown and Gocong to Cleveland forAlex Hall, 2010 4th and 5th round picks

Hm... starting CB and LB for backup LB and 4 & 5th rounders... Eagles are set on cleaning house for better or worse...

 

[babydemon90]

Brown and Gocong to Cleveland forAlex Hall, 2010 4th and 5th round picks

what, we couldn't get a PB&J sandwich to go with it?hope we have a replacement for Brown coming...

 

[Marino13]

Brown and Gocong to Cleveland forAlex Hall, 2010 4th and 5th round picks

what, we couldn't get a PB&J sandwich to go with it?hope we have a replacement for Brown coming...

Yup, you do... Nnamdi Asomugha!! for McNabb!

 

[scratcher]

Brown and Gocong to Cleveland forAlex Hall, 2010 4th and 5th round picks

what, we couldn't get a PB&J sandwich to go with it?

I think Andy ate in en route. If this is to clear space for Aso, I'm all for it. Otherwise this leaves a ton of holes on def. Are we counting on rookies to fill holes at CB, LDE, SLB, WLB, FS? That seems a bit much for a complicated defensive scheme as the Eagles have.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Brown and Gocong to Cleveland forAlex Hall, 2010 4th and 5th round picks

what, we couldn't get a PB&J sandwich to go with it?hope we have a replacement for Brown coming...

Well as of now the Eagles have picks:24, 55, 70 (from SEA), 87, 105 (from CLE), 121, and CLE 5th which could be 134, 137, 146, 160That's potentially 7 picks in the top 140 or so. They should be able to get some nice talent to fill some holes.EDIT: And that doesn't even count picks we'll get for McNabb. If it wasn't obvious already, 2010 is a retooling year for the Eagles.

 

[Mahikoa]

Brown and Gocong to Cleveland forAlex Hall, 2010 4th and 5th round picks

what, we couldn't get a PB&J sandwich to go with it?hope we have a replacement for Brown coming...

Well as of now the Eagles have picks:24, 55, 70 (from SEA), 87, 105 (from CLE), 121, and CLE 5th which could be 134, 137, 146, 160That's potentially 7 picks in the top 140 or so. They should be able to get some nice talent to fill some holes.

Can you really rely on draft picks to fill those holes, though? It's hard enough to evaluate college talent, but to rely on it to fill that many holes at once, even with multiple picks, seems very risky.This has to be a precursor to a McNabb trade.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Brown and Gocong to Cleveland forAlex Hall, 2010 4th and 5th round picks

what, we couldn't get a PB&J sandwich to go with it?hope we have a replacement for Brown coming...

Well as of now the Eagles have picks:24, 55, 70 (from SEA), 87, 105 (from CLE), 121, and CLE 5th which could be 134, 137, 146, 160That's potentially 7 picks in the top 140 or so. They should be able to get some nice talent to fill some holes.

Can you really rely on draft picks to fill those holes, though? It's hard enough to evaluate college talent, but to rely on it to fill that many holes at once, even with multiple picks, seems very risky.This has to be a precursor to a McNabb trade.

You probably won't fill all the holes this year. Maybe fill 2 or 3 holes with all the picks, then another 2 next year, plus a potential FA or 2 and the team is ready to compete again (assuming Kolb doesn't totally suck) in 2011.

 

[Amused to Death]

Brown and Gocong to Cleveland for

Alex Hall, 2010 4th and 5th round picks

what, we couldn't get a PB&J sandwich to go with it?hope we have a replacement for Brown coming...

Well as of now the Eagles have picks:24, 55, 70 (from SEA), 87, 105 (from CLE), 121, and CLE 5th which could be 134, 137, 146, 160

That's potentially 7 picks in the top 140 or so. They should be able to get some nice talent to fill some holes.

Can you really rely on draft picks to fill those holes, though? It's hard enough to evaluate college talent, but to rely on it to fill that many holes at once, even with multiple picks, seems very risky.This has to be a precursor to a McNabb trade.

But they can't possibly trade McNabb. He gives them their best shot to win the Super Bowl this year. [/sarcasm]

 

[boonesfarm4me]

McNabb holds a LOT more cards than some would like to believe.

What do you mean by this Jason?

I mean that most teams (I'm going to exclude Oakland for obvious reasons) aren't going to trade for McNabb unless he's willing to agree to an extension. And as a result, he's not going somewhere he doesn't want to UNLESS they make him an obscenely good offer. He can pretty much neg any trade the Eagles come up with IF HE WANTS unless the other team is willing to give up a bounty for a one-year rental. That's leverage.

not really, any team that trades for McNabb can keep him for 2 years if they choose to franchise him. Mcnabb is not in the driver seat here imo. He is getting older and it would be wise for him to sign an extension with any team that is interested in him now for his final "big" contract. I believe hes going to oakland for "Aso" now that sheldon brown was just traded...

 

[scratcher]

There's a conference call with Howie Roseman right now. He is indicating that Hobbs is replacing Brown...

 

[Fire the Fat Man]

Brown and Gocong to Cleveland forAlex Hall, 2010 4th and 5th round picks

what, we couldn't get a PB&J sandwich to go with it?hope we have a replacement for Brown coming...

No they couldn't because a PB&J sandwhich is better than what we are getting ready in return.I am getting very worried about this Eagles team for the next few years. They have the offensive skill positions, but the OL is a huge question and the entire defense sucks outside of Cole.It just seems like they are cleaning salary in preparation of a lockout next season.

 

[travdogg]

Brown and Gocong to Cleveland for

Alex Hall, 2010 4th and 5th round picks

what, we couldn't get a PB&J sandwich to go with it?hope we have a replacement for Brown coming...

No they couldn't because a PB&J sandwhich is better than what we are getting ready in return.

I am getting very worried about this Eagles team for the next few years. They have the offensive skill positions, but the OL is a huge question and the entire defense sucks outside of Cole.

It just seems like they are cleaning salary in preparation of a lockout next season.

Just because they aren't in the top-5 in the league at something doesn't make it a hole.When I look at the eagles I see:

QB-check

RB-check

WR-check

TE-check

OL-could use some help, though if Jackson and Andrews are healthy they could be fine

DL-could use another edge rusher, but Cole, Patterson and Bunkley are all solid

LB-Bradley should be good to go, this is probably the teram's biggest weakness

CB-check, Hobbs and Hanson should be fine opposite Samuel, and if Nnamdi shows up...

S-I like the Quentins, but Demps is probably more like a top backup than a starter

Basically they need another interior lineman, at least 1 impact linebacker, another rush end(maybe Tapp is that guy) and another safety.

There are at least 20 teams that would be thrilled to be in that position with their roster.

Maybe 2010 is a rebuilding year, but its a rebuilding on the fly year, there is no reason at all not to expect Philly to at least be in the hunt for the playoffs. Let's not forget, if they had beaten Oakland(pigeon game) they would have had a bye week in the playoffs.

Its not like we are talking about the Rams here.

 

[Fire the Fat Man]

Brown and Gocong to Cleveland for

Alex Hall, 2010 4th and 5th round picks

what, we couldn't get a PB&J sandwich to go with it?hope we have a replacement for Brown coming...

No they couldn't because a PB&J sandwhich is better than what we are getting ready in return.

I am getting very worried about this Eagles team for the next few years. They have the offensive skill positions, but the OL is a huge question and the entire defense sucks outside of Cole.

It just seems like they are cleaning salary in preparation of a lockout next season.

Just because they aren't in the top-5 in the league at something doesn't make it a hole.When I look at the eagles I see:

QB-check

RB-check

WR-check

TE-check

OL-could use some help, though if Jackson and Andrews are healthy they could be fine

DL-could use another edge rusher, but Cole, Patterson and Bunkley are all solid

LB-Bradley should be good to go, this is probably the teram's biggest weakness

CB-check, Hobbs and Hanson should be fine opposite Samuel, and if Nnamdi shows up...

S-I like the Quentins, but Demps is probably more like a top backup than a starter

Basically they need another interior lineman, at least 1 impact linebacker, another rush end(maybe Tapp is that guy) and another safety.

There are at least 20 teams that would be thrilled to be in that position with their roster.

Maybe 2010 is a rebuilding year, but its a rebuilding on the fly year, there is no reason at all not to expect Philly to at least be in the hunt for the playoffs. Let's not forget, if they had beaten Oakland(pigeon game) they would have had a bye week in the playoffs.

Its not like we are talking about the Rams here.

QB- Not a check if it is Kolb. You have no idea how this is going to pan out until he starts an entire seasonOL- Is a problem. Peters was ranked as the worst LT in the league last year. How he made the Pro Bowl is disgusting. Jackson is hurt. Andrews is a question mark. The Eagles gambled with the OL last year a failed miserablely.

DL - Could use another edge rusher? You mean they need another edge rusher. This team can't generate a pass rush without blitzing and could barely do thateven do that towards then end of last year. The Cowboys exposed them big time those last 2 games. They need a very good edge rusher on the other side of cole. Bunkley and Patterson are great run stoppers but that it is they get no pass rush. The rest of the DL is average at best.

LB - Bradley is coming of an ACL injury and the rest of the LB's are horrible.

CB- Asante I can't tackle and jump every route so I get beat often, hobbs and hanson is an isssue. Forget about Nnamdi the eagles would never pay him his $16 million he is due this year.

S - Another huge question mark.

The Cowboys exposed the Eagles defense those last 2 games. The Eagles have made no upgrades in the off season to hole up those weaknesses so what makes you think they would be any better than last year?

If there was a cap in place this year they would be $45 million under the cap after today's trade. The Eagles could have easily upgraded there defensive needs with Peppers, Rolle and Dansby. But they chose to not sign one of them.

Could they make the playoffs as a 9-7 and 8-8 team, maybe. But we are passed that point. It has been 10+ years under this regime and they haven't won a thing.

I mean if your happy with making the playoffs every year then that is your opinon. I, and a lot of other fans, want to win a Super Bowl than just be competitive year in and year out.

 

[delusional]

Brown and Gocong to Cleveland forAlex Hall, 2010 4th and 5th round picks

Browns ####### raped the Eagles. I am done. I need a new team, suggestions? I grew up a Broncos fan cause of Elway, liked the steelers also

 

[Snotbubbles]

Brown and Gocong to Cleveland forAlex Hall, 2010 4th and 5th round picks

Browns ####### raped the Eagles. I am done. I need a new team, suggestions? I grew up a Broncos fan cause of Elway, liked the steelers also

What exactly do you think Sheldon Brown is worth? Gocong is virtually worthless.

 

[Jason Wood]

McNabb holds a LOT more cards than some would like to believe.

What do you mean by this Jason?

I mean that most teams (I'm going to exclude Oakland for obvious reasons) aren't going to trade for McNabb unless he's willing to agree to an extension. And as a result, he's not going somewhere he doesn't want to UNLESS they make him an obscenely good offer. He can pretty much neg any trade the Eagles come up with IF HE WANTS unless the other team is willing to give up a bounty for a one-year rental. That's leverage.

not really, any team that trades for McNabb can keep him for 2 years if they choose to franchise him. Mcnabb is not in the driver seat here imo. He is getting older and it would be wise for him to sign an extension with any team that is interested in him now for his final "big" contract. I believe hes going to oakland for "Aso" now that sheldon brown was just traded...

Franchising McNabb? That's POSSIBLE, but again only the Raiders would want to franchise a guy at the QB position and pay him what will likely be $17-$20mm that year.

 

[delusional]

Brown and Gocong to Cleveland forAlex Hall, 2010 4th and 5th round picks

Browns ####### raped the Eagles. I am done. I need a new team, suggestions? I grew up a Broncos fan cause of Elway, liked the steelers also

What exactly do you think Sheldon Brown is worth? Gocong is virtually worthless.

Gocong is still young. He has been playing in the wrong position/system since he was drafted. A 4th for him alone would be fine, I do believe he is going to play alot better in a 3-4 system. Sheldon was a top 10-12 CB in the entire league last season and has been for a while now. The guy is never injured, plays his ### off for a weak contract & had a bum legged and still played damn well. He was at least a 3rd or a 2nd. He was our only CB that could freaking tackle. Who takes over now??? Hanson? Hobbs? Both these guys are borderline nickels.Alex Hall? The Eagles made the Browns look like they are MENSA membersedit: Id say at least a 3rd since they are giving Brown a new contract.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Brown and Gocong to Cleveland forAlex Hall, 2010 4th and 5th round picks

Browns ####### raped the Eagles. I am done. I need a new team, suggestions? I grew up a Broncos fan cause of Elway, liked the steelers also

What exactly do you think Sheldon Brown is worth? Gocong is virtually worthless.

Gocong is still young. He has been playing in the wrong position/system since he was drafted. A 4th for him alone would be fine, I do believe he is going to play alot better in a 3-4 system. Sheldon was a top 10-12 CB in the entire league last season and has been for a while now. The guy is never injured, plays his ### off for a weak contract & had a bum legged and still played damn well. He was at least a 3rd or a 2nd. He was our only CB that could freaking tackle. Who takes over now??? Hanson? Hobbs? Both these guys are borderline nickels.Alex Hall? The Eagles made the Browns look like they are MESNA members

Alex Hall is younger than Gocong and was a bad fit in Clevelands 3-4. We just traded wrong position/system player for wrong position/system player. And if Lito Sheppard only returned a 5th round pick and he was a 2 time Pro Bowler and only a year older then Gocong is right now why would Gocong return a 4th.Brown isn't a top 10-12 CB in the league. Plus he's 31. That's like 40 in CB years.

 

[Jason Wood]

Brown and Gocong to Cleveland forAlex Hall, 2010 4th and 5th round picks

Browns ####### raped the Eagles. I am done. I need a new team, suggestions? I grew up a Broncos fan cause of Elway, liked the steelers also

What exactly do you think Sheldon Brown is worth? Gocong is virtually worthless.

Gocong is still young. He has been playing in the wrong position/system since he was drafted. A 4th for him alone would be fine, I do believe he is going to play alot better in a 3-4 system. Sheldon was a top 10-12 CB in the entire league last season and has been for a while now. The guy is never injured, plays his ### off for a weak contract & had a bum legged and still played damn well. He was at least a 3rd or a 2nd. He was our only CB that could freaking tackle. Who takes over now??? Hanson? Hobbs? Both these guys are borderline nickels.Alex Hall? The Eagles made the Browns look like they are MENSA membersedit: Id say at least a 3rd since they are giving Brown a new contract.

I love Sheldon, don't get me wrong. But I think you're really overvaluing Sheldon and Gocong's worth. Most thought we would let Gocong walk, he was roster fodder. So packaging him to the Browns with Sheldon is a nice thing. I know 4th and 5th rounders don't SOUND sexy, but there's real value in those two picks.

 

[delusional]

Eagles got raped. Sheldon was up there in the top 10-12 in terms of CBs i hate to tell you.

Just realized it was a 4th and a 5th. Lord thats even worse. Heckert just made Andy & Howie look like his #####es.

Hall won't even make this team I bet. He will probably be used as a DE.

#### this team,, ill be in the denver steelers giants or cowboys thread

 

[scratcher]

Tommy Lawlor's view on trade:

Sheldon Brown and Chris Gocong have been traded to the Cleveland Browns for a 4th round pick, a 5th round pick, and LB/DE Alex Hall. That isn't a huge bounty for a pair of starting defensive players. Contracts played a big part in this. We all love Sheldon for everything he's done in his career as an Eagle. Unfortunately he wants a big pay raise. One of the delays in this deal getting pushed back 7 to 10 days is Sheldon's demands. The Browns had to figure out how much they're willing to pay a CB who lacks ideal size, ideal speed, and just turned 31. That generally isn't a player you want to throw money at. Gocong is a RFA. They need to figure out what they want to do with him. I was really hoping to net a 3rd round pick from this deal, but I'm hearing the Eagles really wanted Hall. He is 6'5, 250 and they want him to work in at the SAM spot. We needed depth there with Gocong on the way out. I'll need to watch tape to give you specifics about Hall. He had a good rookie year, collecting 3 sacks and a pair of FFs in 2008. He got lost in the shuffle last year and didn't play as much. He's talented, but will need some work. Essentially the trade is Gocong for Hall and Sheldon for a 4th and 5th. The value isn't great, but most teams are being stingy with picks this year. This is a real good draft class and no one wants to give up good picks if they can help. I am glad we added a 4th and 5th to what we had. We've now got some good ammunition to work with on draft weekend. 1st2nd3rd3rd4th4th5th6th7th7thI know there are some rumors about the Eagles being interested in OG Rob Sims, but I can't get that confirmed from any Eagles sources. For now, I'm not buying those rumors as legit. I'll keep checking and let you know if I stumble across new info.

 

[ReggieHammond]

Eagles got raped. Sheldon was up there in the top 10-12 in terms of CBs i hate to tell you. Just realized it was a 4th and a 5th. Lord thats even worse. Heckert just made Andy & Howie look like his #####es.Hall won't even make this team I bet. He will probably be used as a DE.#### this team,, ill be in the denver steelers giants or cowboys thread

No team is giving up a highish pick for a 31 year old CB who wants a new contract. You certainly picked an apt name for yourself.Will be interesting to see what happens at CB, surely they're not really planning on Hobbs being a starter.

 

[Wooderson]

If/when Sheldon Brown is traded, it will be the end of one of the Eagles' better drafts - 20021st (27th overall) Lito Sheppard2nd (58) Michael Lewis2nd (59) Sheldon Brown3rd (91) Brian Westbrook(Also the year that 7th rounder Raheem Brock was not signed because they couldn't fit him under the rookie cap)

Kinda sad to see this chapter end.

 

[delusional]

Eagles got raped. Sheldon was up there in the top 10-12 in terms of CBs i hate to tell you. Just realized it was a 4th and a 5th. Lord thats even worse. Heckert just made Andy & Howie look like his #####es.Hall won't even make this team I bet. He will probably be used as a DE.#### this team,, ill be in the denver steelers giants or cowboys thread

No team is giving up a highish pick for a 31 year old CB who wants a new contract. You certainly picked an apt name for yourself.Will be interesting to see what happens at CB, surely they're not really planning on Hobbs being a starter.

HAR HAR HAR! GOod one!....Why not? A 3rd is what he was worth at least. He has at least 3 more seasons left in him ( at CB or S towards the end ). Interesting? Hobbs IS the #2 now. Doing this trade did NOTHING. It just created an even bigger hole on the Def, I thought we needed a new nickel db to begin with as Hanson and Hobbs looked not that good at all. Now Hobbs is the #2? Huge decrease in skill right now. Now they HAVE to look at CB high in the draft when before they could have gone mid rounds for a DB.They are a worst team without Brown. 4th and a 5th round? Total crap, they got raped.

 

[boonesfarm4me]

McNabb holds a LOT more cards than some would like to believe.

What do you mean by this Jason?

I mean that most teams (I'm going to exclude Oakland for obvious reasons) aren't going to trade for McNabb unless he's willing to agree to an extension. And as a result, he's not going somewhere he doesn't want to UNLESS they make him an obscenely good offer. He can pretty much neg any trade the Eagles come up with IF HE WANTS unless the other team is willing to give up a bounty for a one-year rental. That's leverage.

not really, any team that trades for McNabb can keep him for 2 years if they choose to franchise him. Mcnabb is not in the driver seat here imo. He is getting older and it would be wise for him to sign an extension with any team that is interested in him now for his final "big" contract. I believe hes going to oakland for "Aso" now that sheldon brown was just traded...

Franchising McNabb? That's POSSIBLE, but again only the Raiders would want to franchise a guy at the QB position and pay him what will likely be $17-$20mm that year.

Its very possible. Mcnabb is set to make $12+ million this year and to franchise him is just paying him another years salary. Peyton earns $14 million then theres everyone else make $10 million (Brady,brees,romo, mcnabb) and under so your $17 million is a bit over the top. it actually averages to $11 million, point being it is the team that mcnabb goes to via trade can easily keep him for 2 years...just saying

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Its very possible. Mcnabb is set to make $12+ million this year and to franchise him is just paying him another years salary. Peyton earns $14 million then theres everyone else make $10 million (Brady,brees,romo, mcnabb) and under so your $17 million is a bit over the top. it actually averages to $11 million, point being it is the team that mcnabb goes to via trade can easily keep him for 2 years...just saying

Both Brady and Manning are due for extensions.