Just because I wanted him traded, doesn't mean I think he's a bad QB. I think he's a good QB and I supported him while he was our QB (as you can see in my posts last year) but I thought the trade made sense if we're going with Kolb next year anyway. The interdivisional trade is less than ideal because you just gave a QB-needy team in our division a good QB....
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Just because I wanted him traded, doesn't mean I think he's a bad QB. I think he's a good QB and I supported him while he was our QB (as you can see in my posts last year) but I thought the trade made sense if we're going with Kolb next year anyway. The interdivisional trade is less than ideal because you just gave a QB-needy team in our division a good QB....
Lehigh98
Footballguy
I kept hearing that no team had offered higher than a third for McNabb, so I like this better than that.The whole "Andy was looking to take a lesser deal to satisfy McNabb" is BS, that was to:A. Get the crap teams involved to sweeten their offersB. Save face
loose circuits
Footballguy
you don't expect the return of Bradley to immediately improve the defense?
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Jason's season tickets up for sale yet?
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Because now you have to talk about him AT LEAST twice every year. But I wanted McNabb gone, and I love this trade.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
How well does he cover?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Looks like it was all BS. I like this trade for both teams and we have enough draft ammo to go the quantity or quality route. I'm glad all the drama is over and let the Kolb era begin!
Fire the Fat Man
Footballguy
I am happy with this trade. Obviously the Eagles were ready to move on and this was the best deal on the table. Not to worried about McNabb going to the skins since they team isn't really that good and aging.
Fire the Fat Man
Footballguy
The redskins aren't that good. Their o-line is one of the worst in the league, McNabb is going to be running for his life. They have 3 has been running backs. Nothing to worry about him going to the skins.To get the 4th pick in the second round is awesome.
Game Time
Footballguy
Bottom line is this... Redskins offered the best deal (which I like personally).. We had to move Mc5.. get something before he leaves and we get nothing.... Time to see if Kolb can take the keys and run with them (like Rodgers did).... Time will tell, but a good move overall....
CaptainHook
Footballguy
great trade. best front office in the league. now we get 2 free wins a year as mcnabb chokes against the eagles.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Ha! I dodged a bullet on that one, thank goodness.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And let's me honest, McNabb in a pressure situation facing us with one of the worst OL's in the league? McNabb has always had very decent teams throughout his career the Redskins don't even seem mediocore to me.
zadok
Footballguy
I set the over/under at 1 week...
loose circuits
Footballguy
I think the Packers Front Office should take notes on how to run a first class organization. Making the decision based on what is best for Donovan was the right thing to do.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
1. The Redskins defense was very good last year.2. Redskins playcalling was questionable at best last year. That improves a GREAT DEAL with Shanahan taking over.3. Redskins have lots of weapons in the pass game. Santana Moss, Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly (high picks, see what they can do with a better QB than Campbell). Cooley and Fred Davis at TE.4. Offensive line is a weakness but you can count on Wash taking Russell Okung at LT with the 4th pick in the draft.5 Dont love their RB's as they are all aging.I think Philly had to trade McNabb, it was Kolb's time. However, right now I think Washington and Philly is a toss up. The Wash D is better than the Philly D, it just is. And the Philly O is likely better than the Wash O.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Reid addressed that tonight. He said they'll wait and see because the collective bargaining uncertainty gives them options.
We'd all prefer that they traded him at least out of the division, but the Skins are a heck of lot further from competing then an ageing QB.
I love the haul....it was as good as the Eagles could have hoped for!
I'm pretty stoked about the deal overall.
I love the haul....it was as good as the Eagles could have hoped for!
I'm pretty stoked about the deal overall.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I think #4 on the list should be held to a higher standard and probably should have been #1-2 & 3. Even if they draft Okung that's so far from suring up a whole unit or him even being productive. This will be by far McNabbs worst OL and it comes after a year where he showed his escapability was taking a turn for the worse. Also, while the Washington play calling may be improved it won't matter if the OL doesn't get a LOT better and fast.
1) Not as soon as you think, but yes an extension.2) Wont lock up because of the CBA.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
They were in no particular order.Eagles O Line was nothing to write home about last year. Jason Peters is not as good as hyped. Jamaal Jackson got injured at the end of the year and the line fell apart against Dallas the last 2 games. Their guards are Herremans, Nick Cole and Max Jean-Gillies....any Pro Bowlers there? And that is before you talk about the Andrews brothers. Shaun Andrews has been cut and Stacey Andrews seems always to e injured. Winston Justice was said to have a good year at RT if only because expectations were so low.I honestly dont know who is on the Reskins line right now so it might be a complete mess but drafting Okung will be a good start for them.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Now that the deal is done I just want to say that I truly do appreciate everything McNabb did for this team. I've said all along this is the right move but that doesn't make it any easier to see him go. I wish him well - more so if he goes outside of the division/conference in 2011! No doubt he's a big upgrade for Washington. I honestly felt the Eagles weren't a legit Super Bowl contender in 2010 with or without him.
This is now a completely new team without #5, Westbrook, Sheldon, etc. I'm looking forward to see what the new guys can do.
This is now a completely new team without #5, Westbrook, Sheldon, etc. I'm looking forward to see what the new guys can do.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Peters may be overatted but still was solid and much better then anything in Washington. Herramens after coming back from injury was also very solid as was Jackson before getting hurt VERY late in the year. Gilles and Cole weren't anything more then average and Justice played very well and earned a 6 year extension in the process. The Washington OL with or without a rookie will still be a very bad unit. Having a OL that was not worth writing home about is still a huge upgrade over what they have.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
First, great trade. Addition by subtraction with a guy like Kolb waiting in the wings. A 2nd in this draft and another pick next yr is great value for a downside QB.
Second, anyone that says this hasn't been a productive offseason needs to step back and rethink their position. With what seems to be 20% of the team purged, this is CLEARLY an out with the old, in with the new offseason at every place of the roster. Many kudos to Reid for not being satisfied with the playoffs in 2009. This is an exciting offseason with the draft yet to come.
Second, anyone that says this hasn't been a productive offseason needs to step back and rethink their position. With what seems to be 20% of the team purged, this is CLEARLY an out with the old, in with the new offseason at every place of the roster. Many kudos to Reid for not being satisfied with the playoffs in 2009. This is an exciting offseason with the draft yet to come.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Not that I trust Caplan's "intel" but if that turns out to be accurate, I'm 100% fine with passing on that. No way I want a DT with who is already fat and happy and financially set for life.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
The Eagles 2009 thread is a fun thread to go back and read. Particularly after the season ended.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
Can we start the rumor now?
Plan B for the Raiders... trade for Mike Vick!
Plan B for the Raiders... trade for Mike Vick!
delusional
Footballguy
People like you that make me shake my head and facepalm myself.
D'OHtis
Footballguy
As unlikely as it may be, I don't think that'd be a bad move for either organization. I think Philly just needs to substantially lower its demands.
mike303
Footballguy
I'm happy with the actual deal (McNabb for #37 and 3/4 in 2011). We had limited other options. This is a 100% improvement over letting him play out 2010 and then walking with no compensation for the team. I would have liked to see him traded outside the division, though.
I'm putting my faith in Reid. He has not let a player walk (or traded them away) and had any regrets. Think of the fans outrage when these guys were let go and none of them went on to do anything after leaving the Birds.
Hugh
Trotter
Lito
Burgess (had one great season, but was never truly healthy)
The Birds are cleaning house, but isn't that what we the fans want? I'm thrilled that they are not satisfied with a playoff run. Most NFL administrations would ride that into the ground and then rebuild. The birds still have a great offense. There are rumors that many of the players would have rather had Kolb last year anyway. You can't just look at stats with Donovan. Think how many times Maclin or Jackson was wide open and would have ran for 20/30 more yards when McNabb threw behind them. They still recorded the catch/completion, but no additional yards. It never shows up on the stat sheets but those plays seperate wins and losses.
In a very limited viewing, I thought Kolb looked great. Albeit was against poor secondaries, he still made good decisions (barring three) and got rid of it quickly. I think he may help the O-line. Donovan came to believe he was still the Donovan of 2004 and could hold the ball for eight seconds and still escape. I think he caused a lot of sacks by hanging in too long. This O-line was okay last year. Peters was horrible in Sept and Oct but showed some signs of greatness later in the year. He had some great games in November. Justice was great last year. Herremans is solid and no worse than a middle tier NFL guard. Cole is solid and can hold down the fort until Jackson is fully healed. We just need to find a right guard and the O-line has great potential. I really believe that. The WR and TE are as talented as any in the league. I'm not as big of a McCoy fan as most. I think he looked very mediocre. I like the Bell signing. He brings toughness. Bell and Weaver will be great changeups to McCoy's shiftiness. It should work for as much as they run.
They still need to make change on defense. I like the Tapp signing. I think the DL is in good shape. If Bradley is healthy, all they need to find is a strongside linebacker and the LBs are set. Maybe a depth guy like Gaither would be a good idea. I don't know anything about that Hall guy from Cleveland. The secondary is the big issue. Hopefully Hobbs is healthy. As someone here said earlier, he was the starting corner on a 19-0 team. I think he's fine and I like Hanson as a #3. I loved Sheldon and was a great Eagle, but he was terrible last season. I know he had nice stats and scored a few times, but he got beat, OFTEN. Teams really went after him and it worked. I wanted to see him converted to safety, I think he has productive seasons left there, but not at corner. A healthy Hobbs should be an upgrade. Mikell was very average last season and the free safety position is pure garbage. Demps is horrible and Macho is worse. I hope Macho doesn't even make the final roster. If he does, that shows they're not that good yet. I would love to see them spend that #37 pick on the safety position.
All in all, they are still in the top 12 in the NFL in pure talent. They still have a great coach. They have a lot of draft picks. I wish Dawk, Westy, and Sheldon could have been Eagles forever, but I think the right moves were made to keep the ship heading in the right direction.
I'm putting my faith in Reid. He has not let a player walk (or traded them away) and had any regrets. Think of the fans outrage when these guys were let go and none of them went on to do anything after leaving the Birds.
Hugh
Trotter
Lito
Burgess (had one great season, but was never truly healthy)
The Birds are cleaning house, but isn't that what we the fans want? I'm thrilled that they are not satisfied with a playoff run. Most NFL administrations would ride that into the ground and then rebuild. The birds still have a great offense. There are rumors that many of the players would have rather had Kolb last year anyway. You can't just look at stats with Donovan. Think how many times Maclin or Jackson was wide open and would have ran for 20/30 more yards when McNabb threw behind them. They still recorded the catch/completion, but no additional yards. It never shows up on the stat sheets but those plays seperate wins and losses.
In a very limited viewing, I thought Kolb looked great. Albeit was against poor secondaries, he still made good decisions (barring three) and got rid of it quickly. I think he may help the O-line. Donovan came to believe he was still the Donovan of 2004 and could hold the ball for eight seconds and still escape. I think he caused a lot of sacks by hanging in too long. This O-line was okay last year. Peters was horrible in Sept and Oct but showed some signs of greatness later in the year. He had some great games in November. Justice was great last year. Herremans is solid and no worse than a middle tier NFL guard. Cole is solid and can hold down the fort until Jackson is fully healed. We just need to find a right guard and the O-line has great potential. I really believe that. The WR and TE are as talented as any in the league. I'm not as big of a McCoy fan as most. I think he looked very mediocre. I like the Bell signing. He brings toughness. Bell and Weaver will be great changeups to McCoy's shiftiness. It should work for as much as they run.
They still need to make change on defense. I like the Tapp signing. I think the DL is in good shape. If Bradley is healthy, all they need to find is a strongside linebacker and the LBs are set. Maybe a depth guy like Gaither would be a good idea. I don't know anything about that Hall guy from Cleveland. The secondary is the big issue. Hopefully Hobbs is healthy. As someone here said earlier, he was the starting corner on a 19-0 team. I think he's fine and I like Hanson as a #3. I loved Sheldon and was a great Eagle, but he was terrible last season. I know he had nice stats and scored a few times, but he got beat, OFTEN. Teams really went after him and it worked. I wanted to see him converted to safety, I think he has productive seasons left there, but not at corner. A healthy Hobbs should be an upgrade. Mikell was very average last season and the free safety position is pure garbage. Demps is horrible and Macho is worse. I hope Macho doesn't even make the final roster. If he does, that shows they're not that good yet. I would love to see them spend that #37 pick on the safety position.
All in all, they are still in the top 12 in the NFL in pure talent. They still have a great coach. They have a lot of draft picks. I wish Dawk, Westy, and Sheldon could have been Eagles forever, but I think the right moves were made to keep the ship heading in the right direction.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Wish I had a dollar for everytime I've see someone tell Eagles fans, "Be cafeful what you wish for."
Also, does ESPN has some sort of sponsorship deal with McNabb?
Everyone on ESPN is acting like he's the greatest of all time and its ridiculous to even consider trading him.
Also, does ESPN has some sort of sponsorship deal with McNabb?
Everyone on ESPN is acting like he's the greatest of all time and its ridiculous to even consider trading him.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Somehow this will become yet another incident that reflects bad on the fans. It will be how those awful fans ran McNabb out of town.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
3618 Yards
64.5 Completion Percentage
86.4 QB Rating
20 TD's
and nothing but mediocre receivers, good bye Jason Campbell and hello Donny Mac!
64.5 Completion Percentage
86.4 QB Rating
20 TD's
and nothing but mediocre receivers, good bye Jason Campbell and hello Donny Mac!
Jason Wood
Zoo York
To be fair, they were making the point that he was the best EAGLES QB ever, and that our team enjoyed unprecedented success during his tenure. I didn't see anyone making him out to be more than that. And I think as Eagles fans we all agree he was great for this team for much of his career, and yet was never one of THE elite passers in the game.
I agree that blaming the fans for this move is silly. Fans didn't want Trotter gone (the first time), fans didn't want McNabb in the first place, fans didn't want us to draft three defensive backs in the first two rounds when we already had a star studded defensive backfield, fans didn't want the Eagles to draft Kolb in the early 2nd round, etc...love or hate what the Philly front office does, they surely don't do it to appease the fans.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I was curious this morning, so I flipped on WIP. Cataldi makes me want to puke.Putting together the Dirty 30 again to boo McNabb when he plays Philly? Really?!?
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
And lets be thankful for that.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Seems like all of the ESPN "personalities" (sans Jaws) are talking about how great of a QB McNabb IS (not has been) and how the Eagles are crazy to trade him and are going to take a big step backwards regardless of what they're getting or their plans for the future are. Yes, they are showing his stats as the Eagles leader in all categories as proof of how good he is, but if he's racked up enough stats that's also a sign of how long he's been around and how old he is too.Just frustrating to hear all the overreacting instead of actual analysis, guess that's where we're at with the media now.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
First mistake....you expected better? Mike & Mike and NFL Sirius for my 45 min drive to work.But I agree, Cataldi will be totally classless in handling this. I know he tries to be funny but it makes us all look bad.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Switch to 97.5
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Thats kind of what I think too. Hence the whole, "be careful what you wish for".
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I'm going to talk to my buddy latter so I might be able to worm a little info out of him. He's primarily in on the draft side of things, so his info there is usually spot on. I'm really going to be interested as to what he'll say about the McNabb trade. He was really betting on the Raiders to land him, but they apparently playing too many games. Just a FYI, the 'un-named' team in all this was the Niners, I do know that.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I feel you DH. I made that mistake last night, and it inflamed my rage. Just nonsense after nonsense.
Amen.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
It was great day when I decided to stop listening to that station.
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