*** Official 2010 Philadelphia Eagles Thread *** (1 Viewer)

[G-King]

Kolb is starting this weekend.Vick has been great all year and a definite hit for AR and the Philly Organization, but there are concerns that MV has GOT to read and react better with his mind than his speed. Hopefully he will work harder to be smarter. I'm pulling for the guy to succeed and see Kevin move on to start for an AFC team.

It's going to be VERY interesting this offseason to say the least. I would think Kolb would fetch a fortune in trade now, but I also wonder if the Eagles don't equally value him given the need for a quality backup, and the fact Kolb is reasonably inexpensive next year. As an Eagles fan, I want some team to offer us such a haul that we just nod and say, "Bon Voyage" but I will understand if the Eagles don't bite on what's actually offered when push comes to shove.

1)Kolb is not inexpensive next year.2)Kolb is not a back up next year.

1) Yes he is, he's due $1.392 million next year after receiving a $10.7 million bonus plus a $715K salary this year2) He will be if he's still an Eagle

Ok, what do I know.... We will revisit this this spring.

 

[Gold Standard]

Kolb is starting this weekend.Vick has been great all year and a definite hit for AR and the Philly Organization, but there are concerns that MV has GOT to read and react better with his mind than his speed. Hopefully he will work harder to be smarter. I'm pulling for the guy to succeed and see Kevin move on to start for an AFC team.

It's going to be VERY interesting this offseason to say the least. I would think Kolb would fetch a fortune in trade now, but I also wonder if the Eagles don't equally value him given the need for a quality backup, and the fact Kolb is reasonably inexpensive next year. As an Eagles fan, I want some team to offer us such a haul that we just nod and say, "Bon Voyage" but I will understand if the Eagles don't bite on what's actually offered when push comes to shove.

1)Kolb is not inexpensive next year.2)Kolb is not a back up next year.

1) Yes he is, he's due $1.392 million next year after receiving a $10.7 million bonus plus a $715K salary this year2) He will be if he's still an Eagle

As much as he drives me crazy at time, I totally agree with your assessment on Reid, but regardless of the facts of the situation, I think Kevin and his agent will be absolutely furious backing up Vick next year while taking a 10 million dollar paycut to do so. Wouldn't you? I think it's only right to let him latch on somewhere else preferably in the AFC. He was groomed to be the future and clearly with the the reinvention of Vick, that won't happen in Philadelphia. It will get messy next year if he isn't set free and I don't blame him one bit.

 

[babydemon90]

still not convinced the Eagles would not be better off trading Vick and keeping Kolb...

 

[Cable]

I know of no team, coach or personnel man who hasn't had huge mistakes. The ultimate question is what do you get out of it? Very few teams have had more success than the Eagles over the last decade. Is Andy perfect? Of course not. But is he astoundingly successful at both his jobs, more so than most other people in the business? Indeed.

Andy is successful at coaching and personnel matters when compared to teams like the Lions, Cardinals, Seahawks, Browns, Bengals, etc...yes he is. That is a correct statement. What about compared to the Steelers or Patriots? Both teams have won multiple Super Bowls this past decade. The Steelers have won 2 of them with different coaches. Is Andy Reid still "astoundingly successful" when comparing to the NFL's elite? The answer is a resounding NO, he's simply not. So Andy is not the worst at coaching/personnel, but he's not in the NFL's elite either. Mediocrity breeds complacency, which is what we have here. It is what it is.

 

[delusional]

I said this before, Eagles will never win a superbowl with Reid as a head coach. As much as he has done for the franchise with his coaching, its the same reason they haven't won a super bowl. He could be one of the greatest coaches ever if he would have learned to adjust in game. Seen this same type of game from McNabb all these years and he took all the heat. You been seeing it with Vick lately too... I said a bit back in this thread his attempts are increasing while the rushing attempts for our RBs are decreasing or coming inconsistently.

That game was pinpoint on what is wrong with Reid & Co as far as coaching goes. After the game against Dallas last year you had players on Dallas saying they knew exactly what the Eagles were doing to do..pass. Media guys would say it, under the breath mainly, they he needs a more balanced play call. Yet most people just brush it off because its Reid..... and i refer to this quote still...

Andy Reid coaches like he's won three Super Bowls. And we, the media, talk about him like he's won four. - Jason Whitlock

I also see no reason to keep Kolb on the roster. They need so much help, that trading him and aquiring picks is the right thing to do.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I also see no reason to keep Kolb on the roster. They need so much help, that trading him and aquiring picks is the right thing to do.

Agreed. At MINIMUM they should be seeking what Atlanta got for Schaub, which was two 2nds.

 

[Gold Standard]

I said this before, Eagles will never win a superbowl with Reid as a head coach. As much as he has done for the franchise with his coaching, its the same reason they haven't won a super bowl. He could be one of the greatest coaches ever if he would have learned to adjust in game. Seen this same type of game from McNabb all these years and he took all the heat. You been seeing it with Vick lately too... I said a bit back in this thread his attempts are increasing while the rushing attempts for our RBs are decreasing or coming inconsistently. That game was pinpoint on what is wrong with Reid & Co as far as coaching goes. After the game against Dallas last year you had players on Dallas saying they knew exactly what the Eagles were doing to do..pass. Media guys would say it, under the breath mainly, they he needs a more balanced play call. Yet most people just brush it off because its Reid..... and i refer to this quote still...Andy Reid coaches like he's won three Super Bowls. And we, the media, talk about him like he's won four. - Jason WhitlockI also see no reason to keep Kolb on the roster. They need so much help, that trading him and aquiring picks is the right thing to do.

You can talk about running the ball all you wan't, the NFL is a PASSING league and Reid knew that long before the rest of the league adapted to it. If you cannot throw the ball in this league you're dead. We weren't winning that game yesterday if Shady got 8 more touches. It was a bad loss guys, we're not ready yet. I mean this was a 7-8 win team heading into Lehigh and we're the #3 seed. Our skill guys are 5 years from their prime and the offensive line still needs alot of work. We've made the playoffs 8 of the 11 years with this apparent moron as the head coach. Who are we bringing in that can do better than that?

 

[Snotbubbles]

Who are we bringing in that can do better than that?

I hate this line of reasoning. Nobody knew what type of coach Reid was in 1999, he wasn't even a coordinator, he was the quarterbacks coach. For all we know, the next Vince Lombardi or Bill Walsh is an offensive line coach somewhere out there.My feelings on Reid are the same as they were with McNabb. The next guy might be as good, he might not, I don't care. I'm ready to find out and throw caution to the wind. Thanks for the memories.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Fire the Fat Man!! Green Bay will destroy the Eagles in the first round

don't get this sentiment... yea, he has games like last night. Still one of the best coaches out there.

Clearly just trying to keep his login name intact. No way is it all on Andy Reid.The lines lost that game. Six sacks of Vick. Clean jersey for Webb despite sending 5-6 guys several times. That was terrible.

 

[Gold Standard]

Fire the Fat Man!! Green Bay will destroy the Eagles in the first round

don't get this sentiment... yea, he has games like last night. Still one of the best coaches out there.

Clearly just trying to keep his login name intact. No way is it all on Andy Reid.The lines lost that game. Six sacks of Vick. Clean jersey for Webb despite sending 5-6 guys several times. That was terrible.

But they didn't run the ball enough, so that's why they lost. How about stopping Joe friggin Webb on 3rd and 11 n the 4th quarter after you called a timeout becasue you we're unprepared. Every loss in this city is Armegeddon - it's ridicolous. Andy is right, they don't deserve a bye - so let's take next week off and come out firing against GB. We all got greedy on Vick, but the reality is, his amazing play has masked alot of ineffencies this team has - mainly the O-Line, it's not very good. I have no doubt the FO revamps that this offseason like they did the defense last year.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Fire the Fat Man!! Green Bay will destroy the Eagles in the first round

don't get this sentiment... yea, he has games like last night. Still one of the best coaches out there.

Clearly just trying to keep his login name intact. No way is it all on Andy Reid.The lines lost that game. Six sacks of Vick. Clean jersey for Webb despite sending 5-6 guys several times. That was terrible.

But they didn't run the ball enough, so that's why they lost. How about stopping Joe friggin Webb on 3rd and 11 n the 4th quarter after you called a timeout becasue you we're unprepared. Every loss in this city is Armegeddon - it's ridicolous. Andy is right, they don't deserve a bye - so let's take next week off and come out firing against GB. We all got greedy on Vick, but the reality is, his amazing play has masked alot of ineffencies this team has - mainly the O-Line, it's not very good. I have no doubt the FO revamps that this offseason like they did the defense last year.

LOL! Re-vamped the defense? They're worse this year.

 

[thayman]

I said this before, Eagles will never win a superbowl with Reid as a head coach. As much as he has done for the franchise with his coaching, its the same reason they haven't won a super bowl. He could be one of the greatest coaches ever if he would have learned to adjust in game. Seen this same type of game from McNabb all these years and he took all the heat. You been seeing it with Vick lately too... I said a bit back in this thread his attempts are increasing while the rushing attempts for our RBs are decreasing or coming inconsistently. That game was pinpoint on what is wrong with Reid & Co as far as coaching goes. After the game against Dallas last year you had players on Dallas saying they knew exactly what the Eagles were doing to do..pass. Media guys would say it, under the breath mainly, they he needs a more balanced play call. Yet most people just brush it off because its Reid..... and i refer to this quote still...Andy Reid coaches like he's won three Super Bowls. And we, the media, talk about him like he's won four. - Jason WhitlockI also see no reason to keep Kolb on the roster. They need so much help, that trading him and aquiring picks is the right thing to do.

You can talk about running the ball all you wan't, the NFL is a PASSING league and Reid knew that long before the rest of the league adapted to it. If you cannot throw the ball in this league you're dead. We weren't winning that game yesterday if Shady got 8 more touches. It was a bad loss guys, we're not ready yet. I mean this was a 7-8 win team heading into Lehigh and we're the #3 seed. Our skill guys are 5 years from their prime and the offensive line still needs alot of work. We've made the playoffs 8 of the 11 years with this apparent moron as the head coach. Who are we bringing in that can do better than that?

You need to run the ball. Reid doesn't adjust that much, I understand the frustation that some of you guys have. Oh and Congrats on winning the division, I am rooting for you guys in the playoffs.

 

[Gold Standard]

Fire the Fat Man!! Green Bay will destroy the Eagles in the first round

don't get this sentiment... yea, he has games like last night. Still one of the best coaches out there.

Clearly just trying to keep his login name intact. No way is it all on Andy Reid.The lines lost that game. Six sacks of Vick. Clean jersey for Webb despite sending 5-6 guys several times. That was terrible.

But they didn't run the ball enough, so that's why they lost. How about stopping Joe friggin Webb on 3rd and 11 n the 4th quarter after you called a timeout becasue you we're unprepared. Every loss in this city is Armegeddon - it's ridicolous. Andy is right, they don't deserve a bye - so let's take next week off and come out firing against GB. We all got greedy on Vick, but the reality is, his amazing play has masked alot of ineffencies this team has - mainly the O-Line, it's not very good. I have no doubt the FO revamps that this offseason like they did the defense last year.

LOL! Re-vamped the defense? They're worse this year.

They used their entire draft last year to address it. Much like I think they'll focus heavy on this year. If you think the defense that got annihilated against Dallas twice last year in consecutive weeks is better than this one, you're not watching the same thing I am. Aside from last night, since plugging in Dixon, they have been outstanding against the run. Allen was up for Def ROY until getting hurt. You know him, the guy they got in the McNabb trade where more than half the city said Reid was crazy sending him to a divsion rival. How'd that work out?

 

[Fire the Fat Man]

Fire the Fat Man!! Green Bay will destroy the Eagles in the first round

don't get this sentiment... yea, he has games like last night. Still one of the best coaches out there.

Clearly just trying to keep his login name intact. No way is it all on Andy Reid.The lines lost that game. Six sacks of Vick. Clean jersey for Webb despite sending 5-6 guys several times. That was terrible.

The lines lost that game last night? Who put those lines together? Yup the fat man. Also his game plan, play calling and lack of adjusting to a simple corner blitz lost the game

 

[delusional]

Come on, Andy dialed up 40+ pass plays in a game that was pretty close points wise...after your QB got hurt the 1st series in the game. How isnt that on him?

 

[Steed]

Kolb is starting this weekend.Vick has been great all year and a definite hit for AR and the Philly Organization, but there are concerns that MV has GOT to read and react better with his mind than his speed. Hopefully he will work harder to be smarter. I'm pulling for the guy to succeed and see Kevin move on to start for an AFC team.

It's going to be VERY interesting this offseason to say the least. I would think Kolb would fetch a fortune in trade now, but I also wonder if the Eagles don't equally value him given the need for a quality backup, and the fact Kolb is reasonably inexpensive next year. As an Eagles fan, I want some team to offer us such a haul that we just nod and say, "Bon Voyage" but I will understand if the Eagles don't bite on what's actually offered when push comes to shove.

1)Kolb is not inexpensive next year.2)Kolb is not a back up next year.

1) Yes he is, he's due $1.392 million next year after receiving a $10.7 million bonus plus a $715K salary this year2) He will be if he's still an Eagle

Ok, what do I know.... We will revisit this this spring.

Per Rotoworld-4/29/2010: Signed a two-year, $12.25 million contract. The deal, fully guaranteed, included a $10.7 million signing bonus. 2010: $715,000, 2011: $1.392 million, 2012: Free AgentI know you know things so I ask, is there some clause in his contract that hasn't been made public? He looks cheap as far as we know.

 

[Snotbubbles]

They used their entire draft last year to address it. Much like I think they'll focus heavy on this year. If you think the defense that got annihilated against Dallas twice last year in consecutive weeks is better than this one, you're not watching the same thing I am. Aside from last night, since plugging in Dixon, they have been outstanding against the run. Allen was up for Def ROY until getting hurt. You know him, the guy they got in the McNabb trade where more than half the city said Reid was crazy sending him to a divsion rival. How'd that work out?

You must be watching something different than I am. I see a defense that can't stop the pass if their life depended on it. I see a defense, that once a team gets in the redzone, it's automatic that they get a touchdown. And Nate Allen is ok, but not the DROY. He had a fast start and then tailed off. He got run over waaaaayyyyy too many times by blockers and runners. And what does McNabb have to do with anything?

 

[jasvic]

I think people should relax and appreciate this team for what it currently is. Going into this season, it was obvious to all this would be a rebuilding year (regardless what the front office says, like they would ever admit that publicly). But they caught lightning in a bottle with the new and improved Vick, and are riding him for all he's worth. He's been covering up the teams deficiencies this year and has them as the #3 seed in the playoffs. Are they likely to win it all with the problems they have? No, but if this season has taught me anything, it's that any given Sunday anyone can beat anyone. So why not buckle up and enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts? My expectations have already been exceeded this year, this playoff run is just gravy.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I think people should relax and appreciate this team for what it currently is. Going into this season, it was obvious to all this would be a rebuilding year (regardless what the front office says, like they would ever admit that publicly). But they caught lightning in a bottle with the new and improved Vick, and are riding him for all he's worth. He's been covering up the teams deficiencies this year and has them as the #3 seed in the playoffs. Are they likely to win it all with the problems they have? No, but if this season has taught me anything, it's that any given Sunday anyone can beat anyone. So why not buckle up and enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts? My expectations have already been exceeded this year, this playoff run is just gravy.

Defeatist attitude. My expectations were that Kolb was a better fit in this offense than McNabb and that the 11-5 team from the previous sesaon would be better, especially when they spent a bunch of draft picks on the defense which was their weakness and they were getting their MLB back from injury. I expected them to make the playoffs, I expected them to be good. I expect, the Eagles to get to the playoff. I expect them to do better then they did last year. Just because some blowhard pundits had low expectations, doesn't mean I did.

 

[scratcher]

Here is one blogger's opinion. I tend to agree. I am very wary of trading Kolb away. Kolb could stabilize the position for 10 years. How long before Vick's legs lose their speed?

I've had a thought tumbling around my head the past couple weeks, and it goes something like this:Most every Eagles fan, even the ones who've been on the Vick bandwagon pretty much from the first time he exploded on the field this season, still aren't really in love with the idea of giving Kevin Kolb away. Maybe he's not Mike Vick, sure, but he's shown an awful lot of ability when he's been out there. And while he's never going to be the running threat Vick is, arm strength can be built (ask Tom Brady) and there's a decent chance he's already the best red zone QB on the team.On the other hand, what does it say when every quarterback the Eagles throw out there plays pretty much the same way? Toss out Jeff Garcia if you want -- since he had his formative years elsewhere -- but at what point are McNabb, Vick, Feeley (the one who came back) and Kolb no longer a coincidence? Are we really tossing away that much potential long-term value by trading Kolb, if all we have to do is draft some other QB this year, put him through the Reid/Marty quarterback academy, and then watch him take over the team in 2015?Consider this comment on the Domo piece my brother passed my way this morning:And for those still burying McNabb, and taking shots, at this point last year (before losing to Dallas), the Eagles were 11-4, and had actually scored three more points (429-426.) And remember, that Dallas was much stronger last year than this year.(The whole comment's pretty good, actually. Scroll down to MG44 to read it.)There are some complications, of course. You need Vick to stay healthy while the new guy gets up to speed, but there's no guarantee Kolb would be any luckier in avoiding injury if you let Vick walk. Even more importantly, the guy you want to draft has to a) exist and b) be available around a spot you're comfortable picking him. How many years can we really sit around waiting for that guy to fall into our laps?Ok, so that's where I was a few days ago. But now consider this: Could the same analysis be applied to Mike Vick?Is Vick really that great a quarterback now -- the rebuilding project is complete and he's going to be great everywhere -- or is he "just" pretty darn good but benefiting from playing in the same system the other guys did?If every QB gives us pretty much the same performance -- just shaped in different ways -- is it worth breaking the bank on Vick when you can keep the younger, cheaper guy around longer and then spend that money improving the many, many ... many areas of this team that need help?If Reid's track record with QBs is so good -- and now that he and Marty have an even better sense of what Kolb needs to work on this summer -- is there any real reason to suspect our offense would be that much worse next year if we let Vick go somewhere else (really, really far away, like Tokyo)?I know it's hard to have a conversation like this without falling back on things like, "Well, this one's kind of short, but he's really fast, and that one can't handle pressure, but he's incredibly sharp in the red zone, and DeSean needs deep balls, etc., etc." But if we zoom out on that discussion for a minute, allowing those distinctions to blur, as long as Reid (and possibly Marty) are crafting the gameplans to maximize each guy's strength and minimize his weaknesses, and as long as we have a years-long track record of at least similar levels of success for every guy other than the one in the Season That Shall Not Be Discussed, does it really matter?Can't we just hold the QB position constant and then figure out how to maximize all the pieces around it?Hmmmm ...

 

[jasvic]

I think people should relax and appreciate this team for what it currently is. Going into this season, it was obvious to all this would be a rebuilding year (regardless what the front office says, like they would ever admit that publicly). But they caught lightning in a bottle with the new and improved Vick, and are riding him for all he's worth. He's been covering up the teams deficiencies this year and has them as the #3 seed in the playoffs. Are they likely to win it all with the problems they have? No, but if this season has taught me anything, it's that any given Sunday anyone can beat anyone. So why not buckle up and enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts? My expectations have already been exceeded this year, this playoff run is just gravy.

Defeatist attitude. My expectations were that Kolb was a better fit in this offense than McNabb and that the 11-5 team from the previous sesaon would be better, especially when they spent a bunch of draft picks on the defense which was their weakness and they were getting their MLB back from injury. I expected them to make the playoffs, I expected them to be good. I expect, the Eagles to get to the playoff. I expect them to do better then they did last year. Just because some blowhard pundits had low expectations, doesn't mean I did.

Realistic attitude. They weren't that good last year, and unfortunately Dallas proved it. Most wins came against bottom half teams. Defense was an issue, they started addressing it, obviously it needs a bit more work. O-line is an even bigger issue that has yet to be addressed. Now next season (assuming there is one) I'll have much higher expectations. This is with the assumption that the o-line and secondary gets addressed in the offseason, and of course the biggest hurdle of staying healthy. But if those things happen and Vick returns as he's playing this year, then the sky's the limit.

 

[Fire the Fat Man]

I think people should relax and appreciate this team for what it currently is. Going into this season, it was obvious to all this would be a rebuilding year (regardless what the front office says, like they would ever admit that publicly). But they caught lightning in a bottle with the new and improved Vick, and are riding him for all he's worth. He's been covering up the teams deficiencies this year and has them as the #3 seed in the playoffs. Are they likely to win it all with the problems they have? No, but if this season has taught me anything, it's that any given Sunday anyone can beat anyone. So why not buckle up and enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts? My expectations have already been exceeded this year, this playoff run is just gravy.

Defeatist attitude. My expectations were that Kolb was a better fit in this offense than McNabb and that the 11-5 team from the previous sesaon would be better, especially when they spent a bunch of draft picks on the defense which was their weakness and they were getting their MLB back from injury. I expected them to make the playoffs, I expected them to be good. I expect, the Eagles to get to the playoff. I expect them to do better then they did last year. Just because some blowhard pundits had low expectations, doesn't mean I did.

Realistic attitude. They weren't that good last year, and unfortunately Dallas proved it. Most wins came against bottom half teams. Defense was an issue, they started addressing it, obviously it needs a bit more work. O-line is an even bigger issue that has yet to be addressed. Now next season (assuming there is one) I'll have much higher expectations. This is with the assumption that the o-line and secondary gets addressed in the offseason, and of course the biggest hurdle of staying healthy. But if those things happen and Vick returns as he's playing this year, then the sky's the limit.

There not that good this year. The o-line is horrible and the pass defense is a joke. If Kolb were the QB behind this offensive line he would get killed. They would be 5-10 with Kolb at QB. Not because of Kolb some much but because of all the issues this team has. GB will destroy the Eagles in the first round.

 

[delusional]

Everyone is saying rest the starters. I look at the oline and defense and i think..they can't rest them..thge back ups are already starting.

So we rest Justice for Dunlap....rest MJG for...Wells? Hell start Wells if he does good this game. Who starts for McGlynn? A hurt Cole? What about Todd and Peters?

 

[thehornet]

still not convinced the Eagles would not be better off trading Vick and keeping Kolb...

this is unbelievable.

 

[renesauz]

I think people should relax and appreciate this team for what it currently is. Going into this season, it was obvious to all this would be a rebuilding year (regardless what the front office says, like they would ever admit that publicly). But they caught lightning in a bottle with the new and improved Vick, and are riding him for all he's worth. He's been covering up the teams deficiencies this year and has them as the #3 seed in the playoffs. Are they likely to win it all with the problems they have? No, but if this season has taught me anything, it's that any given Sunday anyone can beat anyone. So why not buckle up and enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts? My expectations have already been exceeded this year, this playoff run is just gravy.

Defeatist attitude. My expectations were that Kolb was a better fit in this offense than McNabb and that the 11-5 team from the previous sesaon would be better, especially when they spent a bunch of draft picks on the defense which was their weakness and they were getting their MLB back from injury. I expected them to make the playoffs, I expected them to be good. I expect, the Eagles to get to the playoff. I expect them to do better then they did last year. Just because some blowhard pundits had low expectations, doesn't mean I did.

Realistic attitude. They weren't that good last year, and unfortunately Dallas proved it. Most wins came against bottom half teams. Defense was an issue, they started addressing it, obviously it needs a bit more work. O-line is an even bigger issue that has yet to be addressed. Now next season (assuming there is one) I'll have much higher expectations. This is with the assumption that the o-line and secondary gets addressed in the offseason, and of course the biggest hurdle of staying healthy. But if those things happen and Vick returns as he's playing this year, then the sky's the limit.

True statement. Last years team had one...ONE....win against a team with a winning record. This years version has several, including against league leading Atlanta, Jacksonville on the road, and two against the Giants. Even the most optimistic predictions for the Eagles saw 10 wins and a wildcard with a very young team.Any Eagles fan that isn't absolutely ecstatic about the future of this team needs a brain transplant. Second or third youngest roster in the NFL winning a division? And we're cmplaining? SERIOUSLY!!??

Anything else this team accomplishes this year is gravy.

And Kolb? I hope we can keep him. Count me among the few that would rather trade Vick, but I wish KK well whatever happens.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I think people should relax and appreciate this team for what it currently is. Going into this season, it was obvious to all this would be a rebuilding year (regardless what the front office says, like they would ever admit that publicly). But they caught lightning in a bottle with the new and improved Vick, and are riding him for all he's worth. He's been covering up the teams deficiencies this year and has them as the #3 seed in the playoffs. Are they likely to win it all with the problems they have? No, but if this season has taught me anything, it's that any given Sunday anyone can beat anyone. So why not buckle up and enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts? My expectations have already been exceeded this year, this playoff run is just gravy.

Defeatist attitude. My expectations were that Kolb was a better fit in this offense than McNabb and that the 11-5 team from the previous sesaon would be better, especially when they spent a bunch of draft picks on the defense which was their weakness and they were getting their MLB back from injury. I expected them to make the playoffs, I expected them to be good. I expect, the Eagles to get to the playoff. I expect them to do better then they did last year. Just because some blowhard pundits had low expectations, doesn't mean I did.

Realistic attitude. They weren't that good last year, and unfortunately Dallas proved it. Most wins came against bottom half teams. Defense was an issue, they started addressing it, obviously it needs a bit more work. O-line is an even bigger issue that has yet to be addressed. Now next season (assuming there is one) I'll have much higher expectations. This is with the assumption that the o-line and secondary gets addressed in the offseason, and of course the biggest hurdle of staying healthy. But if those things happen and Vick returns as he's playing this year, then the sky's the limit.

True statement. Last years team had one...ONE....win against a team with a winning record. This years version has several, including against league leading Atlanta, Jacksonville on the road, and two against the Giants. Even the most optimistic predictions for the Eagles saw 10 wins and a wildcard with a very young team.Any Eagles fan that isn't absolutely ecstatic about the future of this team needs a brain transplant. Second or third youngest roster in the NFL winning a division? And we're cmplaining? SERIOUSLY!!??

Anything else this team accomplishes this year is gravy.

And Kolb? I hope we can keep him. Count me among the few that would rather trade Vick, but I wish KK well whatever happens.

It's a defeatist attitude. You say the team is better this year, yet your expectations for them are the same as a team who you think is worse. The only reason I have high expectation for this team is Mike Vick. Honestly, when I look at this team as currently constructed, I think its fools gold. Mike Vick is masking a lot of the problems this team has both offensively and defensively. Defensively this team has taken a step back. They can't stop anyone. When I look at the defense, there is nothing that I get excited about in the future. Offensively, Vick masks the massive blocking problems this team has. They need a new line from the C to the RG. That, plus the defensive concerns CB, LB, DT, DE, maybe S depending on what happens with Q. My concern is, by the time they fix the problems they have, will Vick still be good?

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think people should relax and appreciate this team for what it currently is. Going into this season, it was obvious to all this would be a rebuilding year (regardless what the front office says, like they would ever admit that publicly). But they caught lightning in a bottle with the new and improved Vick, and are riding him for all he's worth. He's been covering up the teams deficiencies this year and has them as the #3 seed in the playoffs. Are they likely to win it all with the problems they have? No, but if this season has taught me anything, it's that any given Sunday anyone can beat anyone. So why not buckle up and enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts? My expectations have already been exceeded this year, this playoff run is just gravy.

The Patriots thought this was going to be a rebuilding year as well heading in. Heading into the season Dallas thought they'd be SB bound.It is what it is. You never know what the cards may hold for your team. You have to take advantage when opportunity is knocking.

 

[delusional]

Funny. Sims is going to lose snaps in the nickel to Jordan.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

With the ### whopping Vick has been taking recently I don't see how they could get rid of Kolb, especially for draft picks. This team is young enough and unless they're going to trade these picks up to the top 5 to land a true difference maker I don't see the point of dealing Kolb. Just franhcise Vick and run with both on the mast year of their contracts and go from there, I have a bad feeling with the way Vick's been used that he's going to keep getting hurt here.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Funny. Sims is going to lose snaps in the nickel to Jordan.

They should put Bradley back in the middle and have Chaney at SAM (he covers TEs the best).Sims or Jordan at the WILL - even Fokou - none of them stand out. Against pass-happy teams I'd like to see Clayton there.

 

[delusional]

With the ### whopping Vick has been taking recently I don't see how they could get rid of Kolb, especially for draft picks. This team is young enough and unless they're going to trade these picks up to the top 5 to land a true difference maker I don't see the point of dealing Kolb. Just franhcise Vick and run with both on the mast year of their contracts and go from there, I have a bad feeling with the way Vick's been used that he's going to keep getting hurt here.

Well they need to trade Kolb in order to get help on the o line so vick doesnt get slammed every game. They have more holes the last year now since they pretty much addressed 1 position ( fs ) OL CB LB should be the first 3 picks but it will probably be DE DT CB or something

Funny. Sims is going to lose snaps in the nickel to Jordan.

They should put Bradley back in the middle and have Chaney at SAM (he covers TEs the best).Sims or Jordan at the WILL - even Fokou - none of them stand out. Against pass-happy teams I'd like to see Clayton there.

So Chaney at SAM by default suckage of other LBs..awesome!

 

[scratcher]

Funny. Sims is going to lose snaps in the nickel to Jordan.

They should put Bradley back in the middle and have Chaney at SAM (he covers TEs the best).Sims or Jordan at the WILL - even Fokou - none of them stand out. Against pass-happy teams I'd like to see Clayton there.

Fokou has been playing fine. Chaney needs to be on the field with the way he's playing. Bradley is a natural SAM. If anything, it should be Sims/Jordan---Chaney-----Bradley

 

[delusional]

Funny. Sims is going to lose snaps in the nickel to Jordan.

They should put Bradley back in the middle and have Chaney at SAM (he covers TEs the best).Sims or Jordan at the WILL - even Fokou - none of them stand out. Against pass-happy teams I'd like to see Clayton there.

Fokou has been playing fine. Chaney needs to be on the field with the way he's playing. Bradley is a natural SAM. If anything, it should be Sims/Jordan---Chaney-----Bradley

I don't get the hype on Chaney yet. Yes he has made tackles but remember, Patterson looked good for a few games too.

 

[G-King]

Everyone is saying rest the starters. I look at the oline and defense and i think..they can't rest them..thge back ups are already starting.So we rest Justice for Dunlap....rest MJG for...Wells? Hell start Wells if he does good this game. Who starts for McGlynn? A hurt Cole? What about Todd and Peters?

The only starters will be the right guard and full back. Kolb will have a heavy dose of DWare because he is being blocked by a rookie free agent. They are going to try to get Maclin his 36 or so yards to reach 1K. Hopefully the back ups do their jobs.

 

[TheWheel]

Bradley is and always will be a liability on defense. The TE murders this defense with him on the field. Chaney has the speed and motor this team needs. Fokou is the man. Bradley needs to go. Kurt Coleman hasn't looked bad and is a real Ball hawk.

The Eagles are definitely going to the secondary with Hobbs injury problems. They really need a big guy that can matchup with Nicks and Rice and the like.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Bradley is and always will be a liability on defense. The TE murders this defense with him on the field. Chaney has the speed and motor this team needs. Fokou is the man. Bradley needs to go. Kurt Coleman hasn't looked bad and is a real Ball hawk.The Eagles are definitely going to the secondary with Hobbs injury problems. They really need a big guy that can matchup with Nicks and Rice and the like.

Let's go over the roles of the 3 linebackers in a 4-3.MLB - call the defense, get everyone in the right spot, audibles, control middle for tackles. Drop back if playing Tampa 2 zone.WLB - control weak side of offense, blitz, make tackles on that side.SLB - cover the TE, cover the TE, cover the TE - or anyone coming out of the slot / RB out of backfield. SLB is the cover LB. That should be the best cover LB - which appears to be Chaney (although I think it could be Clayton).MLB should be Bradley. He did well early in the year, but Sims' decline showed that there were not enough tackles being made in the middle.WLB - Sims played fine early but fell off a cliff. Best usage of the current personnel - M = Bradley, S = Chaney, W = ??? I guess Jordan.Preferred alignment would be - M = Bradley, S = Clayton, W = ChaneyChaney played W and M in college and did well at both.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

...and the draft needs talk needs to stop for now. The postseason is here and the Eagles have as good a shot as most any NFC team right now. Sit back, root, and enjoy while every fan hopes for the best (maybe even delusional too, who knows).

 

[LTsharks]

I think people should relax and appreciate this team for what it currently is. Going into this season, it was obvious to all this would be a rebuilding year (regardless what the front office says, like they would ever admit that publicly). But they caught lightning in a bottle with the new and improved Vick, and are riding him for all he's worth. He's been covering up the teams deficiencies this year and has them as the #3 seed in the playoffs. Are they likely to win it all with the problems they have? No, but if this season has taught me anything, it's that any given Sunday anyone can beat anyone. So why not buckle up and enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts? My expectations have already been exceeded this year, this playoff run is just gravy.

Defeatist attitude. My expectations were that Kolb was a better fit in this offense than McNabb and that the 11-5 team from the previous sesaon would be better, especially when they spent a bunch of draft picks on the defense which was their weakness and they were getting their MLB back from injury. I expected them to make the playoffs, I expected them to be good. I expect, the Eagles to get to the playoff. I expect them to do better then they did last year. Just because some blowhard pundits had low expectations, doesn't mean I did.

Realistic attitude. They weren't that good last year, and unfortunately Dallas proved it. Most wins came against bottom half teams. Defense was an issue, they started addressing it, obviously it needs a bit more work. O-line is an even bigger issue that has yet to be addressed. Now next season (assuming there is one) I'll have much higher expectations. This is with the assumption that the o-line and secondary gets addressed in the offseason, and of course the biggest hurdle of staying healthy. But if those things happen and Vick returns as he's playing this year, then the sky's the limit.

True statement. Last years team had one...ONE....win against a team with a winning record. This years version has several, including against league leading Atlanta, Jacksonville on the road, and two against the Giants. Even the most optimistic predictions for the Eagles saw 10 wins and a wildcard with a very young team.Any Eagles fan that isn't absolutely ecstatic about the future of this team needs a brain transplant. Second or third youngest roster in the NFL winning a division? And we're cmplaining? SERIOUSLY!!??

Anything else this team accomplishes this year is gravy.

And Kolb? I hope we can keep him. Count me among the few that would rather trade Vick, but I wish KK well whatever happens.

It's a defeatist attitude. You say the team is better this year, yet your expectations for them are the same as a team who you think is worse. The only reason I have high expectation for this team is Mike Vick. Honestly, when I look at this team as currently constructed, I think its fools gold. Mike Vick is masking a lot of the problems this team has both offensively and defensively. Defensively this team has taken a step back. They can't stop anyone. When I look at the defense, there is nothing that I get excited about in the future. Offensively, Vick masks the massive blocking problems this team has. They need a new line from the C to the RG. That, plus the defensive concerns CB, LB, DT, DE, maybe S depending on what happens with Q. My concern is, by the time they fix the problems they have, will Vick still be good?

You said 9 wins. Put away your talk about how high your expectations were.The playoffs are here. I'm with Jeff - lets see what they can do and enjoy this, even if it is only for 1 game.

 

[scratcher]

Looking forward to Kolb playing. If Carolina offered their #1 pick and a 2nd round pick next year for Vick, would you do it?

I would be tempted. QBs thrive in Philly's system and I think Kolb is not as shiny of a toy as Vick but would manage the offense well. In addition, he is younger and could hold the position down for 10 years. After addressing the Oline in the offseason, he might not get slaughtered next year.

I trust the Eagles to make the right decision with Kolb vs. Vick, but I think it deserves more thought than a slam dunk keep Vick.

 

[delusional]

Looking forward to Kolb playing. If Carolina offered their #1 pick and a 2nd round pick next year for Vick, would you do it?I would be tempted. QBs thrive in Philly's system and I think Kolb is not as shiny of a toy as Vick but would manage the offense well. In addition, he is younger and could hold the position down for 10 years. After addressing the Oline in the offseason, he might not get slaughtered next year.I trust the Eagles to make the right decision with Kolb vs. Vick, but I think it deserves more thought than a slam dunk keep Vick.

They didnt address it last year, don't hold hopes for them addressing it this year.

 

[scratcher]

Looking forward to Kolb playing. If Carolina offered their #1 pick and a 2nd round pick next year for Vick, would you do it?I would be tempted. QBs thrive in Philly's system and I think Kolb is not as shiny of a toy as Vick but would manage the offense well. In addition, he is younger and could hold the position down for 10 years. After addressing the Oline in the offseason, he might not get slaughtered next year.I trust the Eagles to make the right decision with Kolb vs. Vick, but I think it deserves more thought than a slam dunk keep Vick.

They didnt address it last year, don't hold hopes for them addressing it this year.

to play devil's advocate -- this was not the O line they imagined. 2/5 of this line was not supposed to be starting.I think they'll address the issue in the offseason.

 

[TheWheel]

Let's go over the roles of the 3 linebackers in a 4-3.MLB - call the defense, get everyone in the right spot, audibles, control middle for tackles. Drop back if playing Tampa 2 zone.WLB - control weak side of offense, blitz, make tackles on that side.SLB - cover the TE, cover the TE, cover the TE - or anyone coming out of the slot / RB out of backfield. SLB is the cover LB. That should be the best cover LB - which appears to be Chaney (although I think it could be Clayton).MLB should be Bradley. He did well early in the year, but Sims' decline showed that there were not enough tackles being made in the middle.WLB - Sims played fine early but fell off a cliff.

You are contradicting yourself. Sims fell of the face of the earth because the middle wasn't tackling with Bradley in there. But the MLBs job is to make tackles. And you still have Bradley there. That makes no sense. And I don't get how Sims gets blamed for Bradley's problems. Bradley's work in the tampa 2 also has killed us almost everytime he does it as well. Also, you have one player covering the TE and slot and the RB all at same time. This necessitates that another player...say maybe a linebacker... has to cover one of them. But according to what you say each backer does, the weakside and middle linebacker are sitting around waiting to make tackles. That doesn't happen. All players have to cover at some point and their inability to do so is a liability.Your definition of a SLB also sounds like a running backs dream. You can have just a cover guy trying to keep the line against a TE? He has to have some power. WLB-SimsMLB-ChaneySLB-FokouIll take the guys with well rounded skills who can do anything.

 

[scratcher]

Looking forward to Kolb playing. If Carolina offered their #1 pick and a 2nd round pick next year for Vick, would you do it?I would be tempted. QBs thrive in Philly's system and I think Kolb is not as shiny of a toy as Vick but would manage the offense well. In addition, he is younger and could hold the position down for 10 years. After addressing the Oline in the offseason, he might not get slaughtered next year.I trust the Eagles to make the right decision with Kolb vs. Vick, but I think it deserves more thought than a slam dunk keep Vick.

Nevermind.

 

[Jason Wood]

Very uninspiring game today, particularly the icy hail that was pelting me. Very tough to draw any conclusions about Kolb though considering the lineup out there.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Let's go over the roles of the 3 linebackers in a 4-3.MLB - call the defense, get everyone in the right spot, audibles, control middle for tackles. Drop back if playing Tampa 2 zone.WLB - control weak side of offense, blitz, make tackles on that side.SLB - cover the TE, cover the TE, cover the TE - or anyone coming out of the slot / RB out of backfield. SLB is the cover LB. That should be the best cover LB - which appears to be Chaney (although I think it could be Clayton).MLB should be Bradley. He did well early in the year, but Sims' decline showed that there were not enough tackles being made in the middle.WLB - Sims played fine early but fell off a cliff.

You are contradicting yourself. Sims fell of the face of the earth because the middle wasn't tackling with Bradley in there. But the MLBs job is to make tackles. And you still have Bradley there. That makes no sense. And I don't get how Sims gets blamed for Bradley's problems. Bradley's work in the tampa 2 also has killed us almost everytime he does it as well. Also, you have one player covering the TE and slot and the RB all at same time. This necessitates that another player...say maybe a linebacker... has to cover one of them. But according to what you say each backer does, the weakside and middle linebacker are sitting around waiting to make tackles. That doesn't happen. All players have to cover at some point and their inability to do so is a liability.Your definition of a SLB also sounds like a running backs dream. You can have just a cover guy trying to keep the line against a TE? He has to have some power. WLB-SimsMLB-ChaneySLB-FokouIll take the guys with well rounded skills who can do anything.

I'll try once again to help you out here.SLB covers whomever comes out in the pass route on the strong side. It could be the TE (first read), the slot WR (second read) or a RB on a wheel route (third read). Of course one guy doesn't cover 3 - he reads who is coming out for a pass. The SAM LB's primary role is to be able to cover the TE when the TE goes out and shuck off of a block from the TE on a strong side run. In other words, pass coverage skills are more necessary at SLB than tackling skills.MLB has to be the smartest LB on the field. He gets more of a role in Tampa 2 coverage - a scheme that doesn't favor Bradley. A better SAM takes away some of that issue as they can avoid Tampa 2 and have the SAM drop back instead.WLB makes tackles from the weakside guard to the sideline. That area of coverage expands if (A) the MLB is dropping into pass coverage and/or (B.) the MLB isn't performing well (or getting blocked by the O-line on purpose). I still say Clayton is your best SAM. Chaney / Bradley should be your other two.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Very uninspiring game today, particularly the icy hail that was pelting me. Very tough to draw any conclusions about Kolb though considering the lineup out there.

Lackluster preseason game. Ware dominated the O-line. wasn't even close.Clay Harbor needs to practice catching the ball - and blocking.Some defenders were encouraging - Clayton at LB. Adams and Coleman at DB. Adams (#45) looked the best and he may get more playing time. Patterson also looked better (he shut down the end around to Miles Austin) and was also in on a sack.Also throw some love at Jerome Harrison - 21 carries, 99 yards. He should get more touches, especially if they want to keep Aaron Rodgers off the field.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Very uninspiring game today, particularly the icy hail that was pelting me. Very tough to draw any conclusions about Kolb though considering the lineup out there.

Lackluster preseason game. Ware dominated the O-line. wasn't even close.Clay Harbor needs to practice catching the ball - and blocking.Some defenders were encouraging - Clayton at LB. Adams and Coleman at DB. Adams (#45) looked the best and he may get more playing time. Patterson also looked better (he shut down the end around to Miles Austin) and was also in on a sack.Also throw some love at Jerome Harrison - 21 carries, 99 yards. He should get more touches, especially if they want to keep Aaron Rodgers off the field.

A far better effort than I was expecting, though. I doubt anyone before the game thought a group of backups from this defense were gonna hold the Cowboys to 7 points on offense.

 

[need2know]

so what are the thoughts about the packers matchup?

I think its gonna be a very close game. If our offense can be a little more consistant and we get some decent improvment from the defense(could be a tall order vs. Rodgers) we should be OK. Wish we were playing TB/NYG though...

 

[Insein]

so what are the thoughts about the packers matchup?I think its gonna be a very close game. If our offense can be a little more consistant and we get some decent improvment from the defense(could be a tall order vs. Rodgers) we should be OK. Wish we were playing TB/NYG though...

I'm hoping the week off gave Vick and the rest of the starters some much needed rest but also a little time to focus on the prize. These last 2 weeks have been draining mentally and have sucked the momentum out of the vick train. Hopefully they'll regroup and be ready to go sunday. They will need it. I'm hoping for win but playoffs change everything. You could be losing the whole game and then FredEX catches a 4th and 26 to change the whole thing. Either way, I'm going to enjoy the game.

 

[unckeyherb]

Word Yall, Playoffs are here. Let's keep the talk on that and not on Reid's shortcomings and draft needs.

I am really hoping GB keeps on sputtering on offense like they did yesterday. Aaron Rodgers and Co. firing on all cylinders against this secondary scares the shizz out of me. Broken record time: We've got to run the ball a ton and keep GB's offense off the field. I look at McCoy reminds and see a westbrook that looks to hit defenders. For what it's worth-Harrison is a gem. He was studly when given the opportunity to run in Cleveland and the two chances he's had here to get a string of carries he tallied at least 100 yards. Vick needed this week off and I hope its all he needs.

Color me cautiously optimistic about Sunday afternoon. Regardless, I am excited to be watching Eagles playoff football once again!