***Official 2011 Philadelphia Eagles Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Kafka looked pretty good but the Eagles go only as far as Vick can take them.

The secondary was great, the front 4 was great and Philly should have won by 2 Tds but Vick got knocked out after being hit most of the night.

I wasn't overly impressed with Atlanta, with Vick out there Philly is by far the superior team.

 

[renesauz]

Knew that would be a tough place to get a W, and the Eagles almost pulled it off anyway. LB's looked somewhat better, run D was mostly good, D line was beastly, O-line was solid. Vick was good, and so was Kafka. A bad decision not to challenge the pick and one ugly fumble in the red zone changed the game.

Lot of reasons to hope for a deep playoff run here.

 

[delusional]

Yea Kafka did look good. I was surprised by this so that is a positive. Maclin was studly. He is our true #1 WR

Front 4 were amazing again. Loving the wide 9 with them but the negative...we dont have the LBers for it.

I wouldnt even say the Oline was great. There were a few times when they completely blew it and Vick was constantly having to run out the pocket. WHich led to the fumbles.They were better but they still need work. Kelce was having trouble picking up the blitz.

Peters beasted it though

 

[Deamon]

Positives going forward:

1. Maclin (looked to be in mid season form. Ya, ya, ya, dropped pass he shoulda had.)

2. Our running game (Did McCoy not look like a superstar out there? Shaking, making guys miss, going for solid run after solid run. I also include screen passes as part of phillys 'running game")

3. Our O-line is looking solid (especially peters. It wasn't amazing, but we've got to be really happy going forward seeing how many thought they'd still be awful. Will only get better with time)

4. Our D-line is ferocious (holy crap Cole. Loving this new system)

5. Quickness to score/come back (This will be huge going deeper into the season, having the ability to strike so fast and catch up)

6. This Wasn't the WORST time to lose (its only week 2. we weren't going to go 16-0. Id rather we lost this game in that stadium now then in January. We were the better team and this could be something for us to overcome, and make us stronger, humble us, and be one of the many bumps in the road almost all championship teams face. we also had 2 tough road games to start, and have 2 home games in a row vs average teams)

Negatives Going forward:

1. Vick injury (obviously this is the big one and hopefully he's back asap)

2. LB's. (Another obvious concern... I still think they will get better and better each week. But they need to make some adjustments)

3. Giving up big plays (We always seem to do this. We get teams to 3rd and long, they convert. We hold their star rb to under 3 yards a carry, then he busts one for 60. need to find a way not to give up the big ones)

4. Kick returns (Dion just take a knee if you're gonna run it out to the 15 every time)

5. Red Zone! (Always seems to be our achilles heel. them scoring tds 100% of their trips is not going to cut it. Nor is how well we did down there. Thats where games are won)

 

[ConnSKINS26]

What happened with Desean? Shut down, or injured pretty early?

 

[Deamon]

What happened with Desean? Shut down, or injured pretty early?

Couple small injuries throughout but nothing major. Only saw 3 targets too, but seems like every other week could be a different guy who blows up since we have so many weapons. Deseans a long ball guy... I can't ever remember too many times Vick bombed it deep downfield.

 

[Insein]

Desean looked to be in line for a big game early but he seemed to injure his forearm. From that point on, vick barely looked his way.

 

[need2know]

so will vick play this week? I thought Kafka looked good. I would play him over VY if Vick cannot go....

 

[Insein]

so will vick play this week? I thought Kafka looked good. I would play him over VY if Vick cannot go....

I don't even think VY is capable of going. Even if he was though, I'd roll with Kafka. He looked more than capable of filling in for a game or 2. Against a terrible Giants secondary, that could be a sneaky play for week 3.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

so will vick play this week? I thought Kafka looked good. I would play him over VY if Vick cannot go....

Vick won't play this week.

 

[Jason Wood]

so will vick play this week? I thought Kafka looked good. I would play him over VY if Vick cannot go....

Vick won't play this week.

Really? :(UGH

 

[Insein]

so will vick play this week? I thought Kafka looked good. I would play him over VY if Vick cannot go....

Vick won't play this week.

Official or just what your guy hears?

 

[Billy Bats]

Wow Atlanta stinks, or the Birds are better then I thought. Didn't think we would win last night, but it actually should've been a rather easy win without the turnovers. And the Vick injury obviously. As long as Vick is ok this team will be better than I expected. But with them already announcing a concussion, isn't it at least one week mandatory he has to sit out?

 

[dhockster]

The obvious weakness on the Eagles is the linebackers which will lead to big runs up the middle and big plays to tight ends which

we saw last night. What I realized last night was the Eagles are not getting good run stopping by their safeties which is turning

10-15 yard gains into 40 yard gains. It makes me realize how great it was to have Dawkins all those years because the Eagles really

did not give up big running plays because he was such a sure tackler when the running backs got through the front seven.

The killer for the Eagles last night was the fumble near the end of the first half. It was a 10 or 14 point swing in Atlanta's favor as

the Eagles would have at least gotten a field goal. Very rarely will you be on the short end of that point swing on the road against a

good team and win. With that, the Eagles almost did win.

I think the Eagles defense is good enough on the line and at the corners to beat most teams. They will struggle against teams who

have both a quality QB and a strong running game.

Frustrating loss, but as long as the Eagles can take care of the Giants at home this week, they have a good chance to be 5-1 when we

get to our bye week (assuming Vick is playing).

 

[CentralPA]

No way Vick plays, he needs to rest this week if not next week. Very frustrating loss but I saw glimpses of a team that is damn near unbeatable. Great pressure by the front 4. Great comeback by Maclin (minus the very catchable 4th down pass). The eagles essentially beat themselves last night (no disrespect to atl). Vick with the ill advised hand off. Reid not challenging the int that wasn't an int. Defense going soft in the 4. All of these things can be corrected. I think they come next week and put the giants in there place.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

so will vick play this week? I thought Kafka looked good. I would play him over VY if Vick cannot go....

Vick won't play this week.

Official or just what your guy hears?

About as official as you can get at 9:40AM on Monday. From what I'm told, Vick's brains were scrambled eggs last night. Unless the hand of God touches him this week, Vick sits week 3.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

No way Vick plays, he needs to rest this week if not next week. Very frustrating loss but I saw glimpses of a team that is damn near unbeatable. Great pressure by the front 4. Great comeback by Maclin (minus the very catchable 4th down pass). The eagles essentially beat themselves last night (no disrespect to atl). Vick with the ill advised hand off. Reid not challenging the int that wasn't an int. Defense going soft in the 4. All of these things can be corrected. I think they come next week and put the giants in there place.

When this team is firing on all cylinders, they're going to be impossible to stop.

 

[Insein]

so will vick play this week? I thought Kafka looked good. I would play him over VY if Vick cannot go....

Vick won't play this week.

Official or just what your guy hears?

About as official as you can get at 9:40AM on Monday. From what I'm told, Vick's brains were scrambled eggs last night. Unless the hand of God touches him this week, Vick sits week 3.

I pretty much knew it was a concussion as soon as I saw the replay. His head snapped back like he got punched. Herremans is a solid wall. Kafka is going to be a hot WW pick this week against that Giants D.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

so will vick play this week? I thought Kafka looked good. I would play him over VY if Vick cannot go....

Vick won't play this week.

Official or just what your guy hears?

The guys on philly news last night said that its very likely he wont play simply because of the new rules and all the tests that he will have to pass. They also mentioned that the doctor will not be affiliated with the team or nfl.

 

[renesauz]

Wow Atlanta stinks, or the Birds are better then I thought. Didn't think we would win last night, but it actually should've been a rather easy win without the turnovers. And the Vick injury obviously. As long as Vick is ok this team will be better than I expected. But with them already announcing a concussion, isn't it at least one week mandatory he has to sit out?

You're not the first one to say this, but it isn't true. The rules call for a player to be symptom free for a few days before they can practice or play. While the rules make it hard to return in a week, it's certainly possible, especially after a "mild" concussion.That said, smart money is on Kafka to start next week.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Wow Atlanta stinks, or the Birds are better then I thought. Didn't think we would win last night, but it actually should've been a rather easy win without the turnovers. And the Vick injury obviously. As long as Vick is ok this team will be better than I expected. But with them already announcing a concussion, isn't it at least one week mandatory he has to sit out?

You're not the first one to say this, but it isn't true. The rules call for a player to be symptom free for a few days before they can practice or play. While the rules make it hard to return in a week, it's certainly possible, especially after a "mild" concussion.That said, smart money is on Kafka to start next week.

No mandatory sit out. He just has to be cleared by the team physician and an independent neurologist selected by the team and approved by the NFL. In a best case scenario, Vick would get that clearance Thursday or Friday (doubt he plays even with clearance).

 

[Deamon]

Pretty sure he sits, but also that it's only for 1 week. Am I happy with this? I expected it to be multiple weeks, but all indications now are that it will only be one week.

If Young isn't able to suit up, who is going to be our backup qb next week?

 

[delusional]

They will have to sign someone to be the back up. Teams are just going to gun at Kafka now knowing there is no real back up behind him ( injured Young and no one else ).

Unless they have Avant taking snaps with the 2nd team this week..

Can't wait to see how many games Robinson gets suspended for. Cant believe his coach came out and said that was a legal hit, that is how they teach to hit.

They need to do something about safety & LB. Such as changing their entire draft philosphy, they cant be relying on unproven late round draft picks to be starters anymore. ALot of people been putting Chaney on a pedestal but he looked horrid out there last night. Same with Coleman & Page looked like he had no idea how to play the position. Allen better get confidence back in his knee really quick and hope to play well because right now, I honestly have to say safey is our weakest link on defense followed by LBer ( very close ) ...front line & DBs are playing amazingly well. Haven't seen the front 4 of the eagles play like that in a few years now.

 

[TCFF]

DH, while I'm sure I know the answer, have you heard anything in regard to our making moves at the linebacker position? There are a number of free agents that have to be better than the group we have masquerading as starters.

 

[Mcnabbfan]

Negatives Going forward:

5. Red Zone! (Always seems to be our achilles heel. them scoring tds 100% of their trips is not going to cut it. Nor is how well we did down there. Thats where games are won)

As much as it pains me to say, the Eagles won't beat the good teams until this aspect of the team improves. With all the turnovers and crazy plays that happened last night, the difference was Atlanta made the Eagles settle for a field goal while Atlanta was 5 for 5 in the red zone. I miss the Jimmy Johnson led defenses that seemed to always keep the opponent to 17 or under due to the ability to stop teams in the Red Zone

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Be nice to have this Mikell guy on TV, he looks pretty good.

 

[Amused to Death]

Negatives Going forward:

5. Red Zone! (Always seems to be our achilles heel. them scoring tds 100% of their trips is not going to cut it. Nor is how well we did down there. Thats where games are won)

As much as it pains me to say, the Eagles won't beat the good teams until this aspect of the team improves. With all the turnovers and crazy plays that happened last night, the difference was Atlanta made the Eagles settle for a field goal while Atlanta was 5 for 5 in the red zone. I miss the Jimmy Johnson led defenses that seemed to always keep the opponent to 17 or under due to the ability to stop teams in the Red Zone

Weren't the Eagles last (or close to it) in this stat last year with around 78% TDs allowed inside the RZ? I think StL was 0 for 1 so for the year they are 5 of 6 (83%).

 

[Billy Bats]

Negatives Going forward:

5. Red Zone! (Always seems to be our achilles heel. them scoring tds 100% of their trips is not going to cut it. Nor is how well we did down there. Thats where games are won)

As much as it pains me to say, the Eagles won't beat the good teams until this aspect of the team improves. With all the turnovers and crazy plays that happened last night, the difference was Atlanta made the Eagles settle for a field goal while Atlanta was 5 for 5 in the red zone. I miss the Jimmy Johnson led defenses that seemed to always keep the opponent to 17 or under due to the ability to stop teams in the Red Zone

Weren't the Eagles last (or close to it) in this stat last year with around 78% TDs allowed inside the RZ? I think StL was 0 for 1 so for the year they are 5 of 6 (83%).

The Eagles broke all records for red zone ineptness last season. They were the worst rz defense in the history of football.

 

[delusional]

And they are starting the year off just dandy now.

Yea that Mikel guy is pretty good...... /smh

If i was every D cord in the league, I would tell them to tee off on WRs since they ain't doing #### after that joke of a fine on Robinson

 

[Deamon]

So watching this Giants game, wondering how you guys think we matchup. Looks like Manningham will be out, and Hixon and Nicks may both play but are banged up. Their average wr's are no match for our cb's. But I'm not sure our LB's are any match for their run game, so what do we do? Is the obvious answer to just stack the box and play man coverage and see if Hixon and Nicks can beat Asante and Nnamdi, while everyone else focuses on the run?

 

[renesauz]

Philly's gonna smoke the Giants...stack 8 in the box and go man up on their recievers, while the Giants secondary won't be able to stop Jackson and Maclin. It's gonna get ugly, divisional foe or not.

42-10 Philly.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Philly's gonna smoke the Giants...stack 8 in the box and go man up on their recievers, while the Giants secondary won't be able to stop Jackson and Maclin. It's gonna get ugly, divisional foe or not.42-10 Philly.

42-10 without Vick? I think you're dreaming........

 

[renesauz]

Philly's gonna smoke the Giants...stack 8 in the box and go man up on their recievers, while the Giants secondary won't be able to stop Jackson and Maclin. It's gonna get ugly, divisional foe or not.42-10 Philly.

42-10 without Vick? I think you're dreaming........

Might be stretching a little, but Kafka will be fine. Giants gave up over 300 yards passing to Bradford at home....and Bradford's recievers have probably dropped 12 balls already this season.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Philly's gonna smoke the Giants...stack 8 in the box and go man up on their recievers, while the Giants secondary won't be able to stop Jackson and Maclin. It's gonna get ugly, divisional foe or not.42-10 Philly.

42-10 without Vick? I think you're dreaming........

Might be stretching a little, but Kafka will be fine. Giants gave up over 300 yards passing to Bradford at home....and Bradford's recievers have probably dropped 12 balls already this season.

Oh I have no doubt the Eagles will win with or without Vick. Kafka was very impressive this week. I just don't think it will be that lopsided. The Giants are hurting but they've still got some ability to run the ball and pressure the QB. Can't wait to see how Kafka handles the pressure . If Vick were playing, I would agree with you about a blowout.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

So watching this Giants game, wondering how you guys think we matchup. Looks like Manningham will be out, and Hixon and Nicks may both play but are banged up. Their average wr's are no match for our cb's. But I'm not sure our LB's are any match for their run game, so what do we do? Is the obvious answer to just stack the box and play man coverage and see if Hixon and Nicks can beat Asante and Nnamdi, while everyone else focuses on the run?

Even with Kafka I can't see (barring injuries) how we lose this game. I'm thinking a 24-10 win. The Giants are just a mess with the injuries.

 

[Insein]

Be nice to have this Mikell guy on TV, he looks pretty good.

I know right. Didn't he used to play for some team we know?

 

[Jason Wood]

What a tale of two Mannings last night.

At one point he was 3 of 12, but finished the night 18 of 29, which means he went 15 of 17 to finish out the game.

I hope we'll win, we should in a home opener. But it won't be easy.

 

[Deamon]

Ya I see something like 20-13. They are going to be hungry, we just need to make sure we are too. Steve Smith is gonna have lots of motivation too.

 

[Amused to Death]

Philly's gonna smoke the Giants...stack 8 in the box and go man up on their recievers, while the Giants secondary won't be able to stop Jackson and Maclin. It's gonna get ugly, divisional foe or not.42-10 Philly.

42-10 without Vick? I think you're dreaming........

Might be stretching a little, but Kafka will be fine. Giants gave up over 300 yards passing to Bradford at home....and Bradford's recievers have probably dropped 12 balls already this season.

Heard Sal Pal on 97.5 a little while ago...he's not ruling Vick out for this week. In fact, he's leaning towards Vick starting.

 

[scratcher]

I understand the frustration with the linebackers and lack of elite talent there but here is the part that some fans dont seem to grasp. The Eagles did some major upgrading at certain positions (CB, DT, DE, backup RB and QB), not to mention extending Vick and hopefully extending Desean soon. As a result, they had to go cheap in other areas (i.e. LB, a position they do not value as much). We just dont have the money for a stud at LB. Who would you give up among our offseason acquisitions to get a stud LB? The only one I would offer would be Vince Young. But hindsight is 20/20 and now VY is injured and Kafka looks good in limited action. At the time it seemed like a good move to backup Vick.

The wide-9 is exposing our LBs a bit but it's not as dire as some say. I thought coverage wasnt bad yesterday against Gonzo. Gonzo just made some sick plays that 90% of TE's wont/cant make. They had their share of missed tackles but as this group grows together, they could at least be serviceable by the end of the season.

I like a lot of what I saw yesterday. If we secured the ball better and didn't give up so many short fields, it would have been a different outcome. Once Allen is 100%, I think he'll provide a boost to the safeties over Page. If Jarrett gets his head around the playbook, he'll provide a physical presence against these power running games. Areas for improvement for sure, but this team could be really good by the end of the season.

 

[TCFF]

I understand the frustration with the linebackers and lack of elite talent there but here is the part that some fans dont seem to grasp. The Eagles did some major upgrading at certain positions (CB, DT, DE, backup RB and QB), not to mention extending Vick and hopefully extending Desean soon. As a result, they had to go cheap in other areas (i.e. LB, a position they do not value as much). We just dont have the money for a stud at LB. Who would you give up among our offseason acquisitions to get a stud LB? The only one I would offer would be Vince Young. But hindsight is 20/20 and now VY is injured and Kafka looks good in limited action. At the time it seemed like a good move to backup Vick.The wide-9 is exposing our LBs a bit but it's not as dire as some say. I thought coverage wasnt bad yesterday against Gonzo. Gonzo just made some sick plays that 90% of TE's wont/cant make. They had their share of missed tackles but as this group grows together, they could at least be serviceable by the end of the season.I like a lot of what I saw yesterday. If we secured the ball better and didn't give up so many short fields, it would have been a different outcome. Once Allen is 100%, I think he'll provide a boost to the safeties over Page. If Jarrett gets his head around the playbook, he'll provide a physical presence against these power running games. Areas for improvement for sure, but this team could be really good by the end of the season.

I agree that this team could be really good by the end of the year. Andy Reid's teams usually are playing their best ball in December and January. However, I don't think fan's complaints about the LBs has anything to do with money. There were a lot of low priced free agents available and are still a few available now who would likely play for minimum contracts who would be an upgrade over the group that we have starting. We start three guys who are very young, inexperienced, and were not all that highly thought of at draft time in the first place. As poorly as they have played, we should be kicking the tires on whoever is still available. We don't have to have a high priced "stud" because we have so much other talent on the defense, but surely we can do better than what we have right now.

 

[scratcher]

I understand the frustration with the linebackers and lack of elite talent there but here is the part that some fans dont seem to grasp. The Eagles did some major upgrading at certain positions (CB, DT, DE, backup RB and QB), not to mention extending Vick and hopefully extending Desean soon. As a result, they had to go cheap in other areas (i.e. LB, a position they do not value as much). We just dont have the money for a stud at LB. Who would you give up among our offseason acquisitions to get a stud LB? The only one I would offer would be Vince Young. But hindsight is 20/20 and now VY is injured and Kafka looks good in limited action. At the time it seemed like a good move to backup Vick.The wide-9 is exposing our LBs a bit but it's not as dire as some say. I thought coverage wasnt bad yesterday against Gonzo. Gonzo just made some sick plays that 90% of TE's wont/cant make. They had their share of missed tackles but as this group grows together, they could at least be serviceable by the end of the season.I like a lot of what I saw yesterday. If we secured the ball better and didn't give up so many short fields, it would have been a different outcome. Once Allen is 100%, I think he'll provide a boost to the safeties over Page. If Jarrett gets his head around the playbook, he'll provide a physical presence against these power running games. Areas for improvement for sure, but this team could be really good by the end of the season.

I agree that this team could be really good by the end of the year. Andy Reid's teams usually are playing their best ball in December and January. However, I don't think fan's complaints about the LBs has anything to do with money. There were a lot of low priced free agents available and are still a few available now who would likely play for minimum contracts who would be an upgrade over the group that we have starting. We start three guys who are very young, inexperienced, and were not all that highly thought of at draft time in the first place. As poorly as they have played, we should be kicking the tires on whoever is still available. We don't have to have a high priced "stud" because we have so much other talent on the defense, but surely we can do better than what we have right now.

Good points. Who do you mean in particular?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Is Lofa Tatupu still alive? How about Julian Peterson?

I'll be the first to say that I don't know either of their situations last season but could it hurt to work them out? Hell, we're LOADED with draft picks for next season. Is there not a guy out there they like who may not even be a starter for a team they could try to get?

 

[scratcher]

Is Lofa Tatupu still alive?

I think so but he hasnt been good in a while. That's what I mean, alot of has beens left on the market. They're there for a reason.

 

[JetMaxx]

Is Lofa Tatupu still alive?

I think so but he hasnt been good in a while. That's what I mean, alot of has beens left on the market. They're there for a reason.

I don't who is out there, nor do I care because if they've started an NFL game in the last 2 years they are most likely better than what's out there now.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Is Lofa Tatupu still alive?

I think so but he hasnt been good in a while. That's what I mean, alot of has beens left on the market. They're there for a reason.

Guys like that are there for a reason and I understand that...it wouldnt hurt to work them out though...even if it is just a bridge.

 

[Billy Bats]

Can someone explain the wide-9 to a non-ball coach? First time I've heard of this defensive alignment. tia.

 

[scratcher]

I do wish they had spent a higher draft pick on a LB this year, instead of Jarrett, who isnt starting anyway.

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

I do wish they had spent a higher draft pick on a LB this year, instead of Jarrett, who isnt starting anyway.

This.I just don't understand why they've made no move to address their LB depth, when it is clearly the weakest position on the team. I have no illusions that there are Pro Bowlers out on the street looking for work, but surely there is someone who could provide a veteran presence, a little beef on the inside. I remember DH putting a post up in here about the team having every intention of addressing this issue, but I guess they never got around to it. Or Andy convinced himself that his undersized kiddie corps would be just fine. (Which seems to be the conclusion he arrives at every season.)

 

[simmonjm]

Philly's gonna smoke the Giants...stack 8 in the box and go man up on their recievers, while the Giants secondary won't be able to stop Jackson and Maclin. It's gonna get ugly, divisional foe or not.42-10 Philly.

Wow talk about being overzealous all of a sudden eagles o line is dominant? Better hope so because giants have pass rushers galore. Eagles Kline was ok vs falcons but I would not use that as proof all is fixed. Pls excuse spellin using my iphone