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*** Official 2012-13 Hot Stove Thread (1 Viewer)

'Leroy Hoard said:
'Snotbubbles said:
'Good said:
'Snotbubbles said:
Should the AL get three wildcards, and the NL one? :confused:
Right. The National League has only won the last three WS and 4 of the last 5. The AL is just on a different level.
I hate to defend a throwaway, ####ty "my thing is better than your thing" post, but the AL has soundly drubbed the NL in interleague play for 9 years in a row. Not just a 7 game series between 2 teams, but 252 total games between all teams.
:shrug: The AL has an inherent advantage over NL teams in interleague play because they have the ability to budget for the DH. This allows them to budget more money for a bat (example David Ortiz) who would be otherwise useless on an NL team.
The NL has an inherent advantage over the AL teams in interleague play because their pitchers bat on a regular basis.
Not sure if serious.
 
'Leroy Hoard said:
'Snotbubbles said:
'Good said:
'Snotbubbles said:
Should the AL get three wildcards, and the NL one? :confused:
Right. The National League has only won the last three WS and 4 of the last 5. The AL is just on a different level.
I hate to defend a throwaway, ####ty "my thing is better than your thing" post, but the AL has soundly drubbed the NL in interleague play for 9 years in a row. Not just a 7 game series between 2 teams, but 252 total games between all teams.
:shrug: The AL has an inherent advantage over NL teams in interleague play because they have the ability to budget for the DH. This allows them to budget more money for a bat (example David Ortiz) who would be otherwise useless on an NL team.
The NL has an inherent advantage over the AL teams in interleague play because their pitchers bat on a regular basis.
Not sure if serious.
NL pitchers are better hitters than AL pitchers due to more practice in the regular season. Despite that the AL still has a better interleague record.
 
Another blockbuster to move Andino-Robinson off of page 5.

Colorado LOOGY Matt Reynolds to Arizona for 3B Ryan Wheeler.

 
'Leroy Hoard said:
'Snotbubbles said:
'Good said:
'Snotbubbles said:
Should the AL get three wildcards, and the NL one? :confused:
Right. The National League has only won the last three WS and 4 of the last 5. The AL is just on a different level.
I hate to defend a throwaway, ####ty "my thing is better than your thing" post, but the AL has soundly drubbed the NL in interleague play for 9 years in a row. Not just a 7 game series between 2 teams, but 252 total games between all teams.
:shrug: The AL has an inherent advantage over NL teams in interleague play because they have the ability to budget for the DH. This allows them to budget more money for a bat (example David Ortiz) who would be otherwise useless on an NL team.
The NL has an inherent advantage over the AL teams in interleague play because their pitchers bat on a regular basis.
And, said DH's have to sit in NL parks. Or someone has to sit, either to the detriment of the offense or defense. Pretty wasteful.
 
'Leroy Hoard said:
'Snotbubbles said:
'Good said:
'Snotbubbles said:
Should the AL get three wildcards, and the NL one? :confused:
Right. The National League has only won the last three WS and 4 of the last 5. The AL is just on a different level.
I hate to defend a throwaway, ####ty "my thing is better than your thing" post, but the AL has soundly drubbed the NL in interleague play for 9 years in a row. Not just a 7 game series between 2 teams, but 252 total games between all teams.
:shrug: The AL has an inherent advantage over NL teams in interleague play because they have the ability to budget for the DH. This allows them to budget more money for a bat (example David Ortiz) who would be otherwise useless on an NL team.
The NL has an inherent advantage over the AL teams in interleague play because their pitchers bat on a regular basis.
And, said DH's have to sit in NL parks. Or someone has to sit, either to the detriment of the offense or defense. Pretty wasteful.
wOBA 2012 stats for referenceAL DH .339NL DH .303AL P .125NL P .150
 
'Leroy Hoard said:
'Snotbubbles said:
'Good said:
'Snotbubbles said:
Should the AL get three wildcards, and the NL one? :confused:
Right. The National League has only won the last three WS and 4 of the last 5. The AL is just on a different level.
I hate to defend a throwaway, ####ty "my thing is better than your thing" post, but the AL has soundly drubbed the NL in interleague play for 9 years in a row. Not just a 7 game series between 2 teams, but 252 total games between all teams.
:shrug: The AL has an inherent advantage over NL teams in interleague play because they have the ability to budget for the DH. This allows them to budget more money for a bat (example David Ortiz) who would be otherwise useless on an NL team.
The NL has an inherent advantage over the AL teams in interleague play because their pitchers bat on a regular basis.
And, said DH's have to sit in NL parks. Or someone has to sit, either to the detriment of the offense or defense. Pretty wasteful.
wOBA 2012 stats for referenceAL DH .339NL DH .303AL P .125NL P .150
Interesting stuff. So I guess when you add to that the fact that the DH bats 4-5 times in a normal game and the pitcher only 2-3 times, it's a small but clear advantage to the AL in interleague play.
 
'Eephus said:
Chone Figgins DFAed. Seattle is still on the hook for $8.5M this year.
Not sure what I was most embarrassed about during my live 2004 Fantasy Draft. The fact that I didn't know that it was pronounced "Shawn" and not "Ch-one". Or the fact that I was surprised rookie Khalil Greene was white. :bag:
 
'Eephus said:
Chone Figgins DFAed. Seattle is still on the hook for $8.5M this year.
Not sure what I was most embarrassed about during my live 2004 Fantasy Draft. The fact that I didn't know that it was pronounced "Shawn" and not "Ch-one". Or the fact that I was surprised rookie Khalil Greene was white. :bag:
I think everyone made that assumption initially. :shrug:
 
'Eephus said:
Chone Figgins DFAed. Seattle is still on the hook for $8.5M this year.
Not sure what I was most embarrassed about during my live 2004 Fantasy Draft. The fact that I didn't know that it was pronounced "Shawn" and not "Ch-one". Or the fact that I was surprised rookie Khalil Greene was white. :bag:
I think everyone made that assumption initially. :shrug:
Chone, Greene or both?
 
Gomes close to a deal with the Red Sawks.Not sure he's a great fit if he has to actually play OF. "Platoon DH" is his obvious/ideal role.
Good clubhouse guy, right? The past couple of years, it appears the Red Sox locker room was filled with low character, me first, babies. They need to change the locker room culture. Hopefully Gomes is a start. Solid platoon guy.
 
Gomes is supposed to be a one of the good pro athlete types. Was reading today that he's earned $5 million in his playing career and now gets a 2/10 deal after putting in the work. Not a fortune by professional baseball standards but well deserved, always thought he was a good piece to the puzzle for any team. :thumbup:

 
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Good to hear about Gomes. I seem to always remember him having his teammates backs when things got messy.

I want the Red Sox to get younger, and focus on developing the talent in their farm system. But they also badly need to change the culture of that clubhouse. Although he is not young by baseball standards, it appears he is a great locker room guy.

 
Gomes sure does get a lot of love in here for a guy with a .774 OPS over the last 3 years who offers nothing on the basepaths and is a terrible fielder.

 
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Gomes sure does get a lot of love in here for a guy with a .774 OPS over the last 3 years who offers nothing on the basepaths and is a terrible fielder.
:confused: People were saying he is a great clubhouse guy. And he is a solid platoon player (.974 OPS v. lefties last year).
 
Gomes is supposed to be a one of the good pro athlete types. Was reading today that he's earned $5 million in his playing career and now gets a 2/10 deal after putting in the work. Not a fortune by professional baseball standards but well deserved, always thought he was a good piece to the puzzle for any team. :thumbup:
Playing MLB for 12-15 years and making about $20,000,000.00 during my career. I'd be okay with that.
 
Rays re-up Longoria to a 6-year extension for $100MM that kicks in when his current deal expires in 2016.

 
Word is that Fox Sports and the Dodgers are working on a 25 year, $6-7B deal. That would give the Dodgers, before selling a single ticket, concession, advertisement or jersey, $240-280,000,000 per season. :eek: :eek: :eek: :shock: :shock: :shock:

 
Royals are dumb if they trade Myers for either of those two.

Just go ahead and sign Marcum or Sanchez or Dempster or someone.

Word is the Red Sox may go to five years for Napoli :bag:

 
If the Royals deal Myers then they are even dumbe than I thought possible. Kid has one of the quickest, smoothest swings I have seen. Has a cannon for an arm and wheels to burn. Come to think of it, that is exactly the type of player the Royals like to trade away. What a joke of an organization. Now they'll move Bubba Starling up the ranks - and just when he is MLB ready in a few years they'l deal him off, too.

 
BJ Upton to make his decision this week. Oh the anticipation.
The race to see who is going to really really really hate giving that contract come 2014
I saw 5/75 being thrown around as numbers for Upton. If that is true, that isn't horrible. He would slot nicely in the 2 hole for Philly and would mash at CBP. I could see a 35 HR, 90 RBI season for him in Philly.
A guy with a sub .300 OBP isn't what I'd call "ideal" for the 2 hole. 2008 or maybe even 2011 BJ Upton, but definitely not 2012 BJ Upton.
 
BJ Upton to make his decision this week. Oh the anticipation.
The race to see who is going to really really really hate giving that contract come 2014
I saw 5/75 being thrown around as numbers for Upton. If that is true, that isn't horrible. He would slot nicely in the 2 hole for Philly and would mash at CBP. I could see a 35 HR, 90 RBI season for him in Philly.
I think he is going to be a mini-Crawford level bust.
 
BJ Upton to make his decision this week. Oh the anticipation.
The race to see who is going to really really really hate giving that contract come 2014
I saw 5/75 being thrown around as numbers for Upton. If that is true, that isn't horrible. He would slot nicely in the 2 hole for Philly and would mash at CBP. I could see a 35 HR, 90 RBI season for him in Philly.
A guy with a sub .300 OBP isn't what I'd call "ideal" for the 2 hole. 2008 or maybe even 2011 BJ Upton, but definitely not 2012 BJ Upton.
The sub .300 OBP year was probably more an outlier than aging. I'd expect him around .320 as usual.Not sure his power numbers will jump though. He got to feast on some pretty awful pitching last season in the AL East, especially when it comes to allowing HRs. That won't be the case in the NL East. He won't have to face one of the best rotations in baseball because he'll sign with them, but that still leaves two of the best out there, plus the Mets with Dickey and Harvey and the Marlins playing in that ridiculously huge park.

 
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BJ Upton to make his decision this week. Oh the anticipation.
The race to see who is going to really really really hate giving that contract come 2014
I saw 5/75 being thrown around as numbers for Upton. If that is true, that isn't horrible. He would slot nicely in the 2 hole for Philly and would mash at CBP. I could see a 35 HR, 90 RBI season for him in Philly.
I think he is going to be a mini-Crawford level bust.
Most likely, he's a talented player but holy inconsistency. His end game numbers look better than the on-field product. I don't see how a big contract will fix his issues, if anything it will do the opposite.
 
'shadyridr said:
Pettitte resigns with Yanks for 1yr, $11mYanks also close to re-signing Rivera & Ichiro
Yankees appear to be keeping the old band together for 2013 like Stallone casting The Expendables 3. If they're one year deals, they're not going to hurt anyone, especially a team with deep pockets. It seems like they're planning to take their shot with the old guys and then dip under the luxury tax threshold for a year in 2014.
 
'shadyridr said:
Pettitte resigns with Yanks for 1yr, $11mYanks also close to re-signing Rivera & Ichiro
Yankees appear to be keeping the old band together for 2013 like Stallone casting The Expendables 3. If they're one year deals, they're not going to hurt anyone, especially a team with deep pockets. It seems like they're planning to take their shot with the old guys and then dip under the luxury tax threshold for a year in 2014.
i think that was the plan all along
 
'shadyridr said:
Pettitte resigns with Yanks for 1yr, $11mYanks also close to re-signing Rivera & Ichiro
Yankees appear to be keeping the old band together for 2013 like Stallone casting The Expendables 3. If they're one year deals, they're not going to hurt anyone, especially a team with deep pockets. It seems like they're planning to take their shot with the old guys and then dip under the luxury tax threshold for a year in 2014.
i think that was the plan all along
This is the comparatively easy part of the plan. We'll see who's standing on the baseline for opening day 2014.
 
'shadyridr said:
Pettitte resigns with Yanks for 1yr, $11mYanks also close to re-signing Rivera & Ichiro
Yankees appear to be keeping the old band together for 2013 like Stallone casting The Expendables 3. If they're one year deals, they're not going to hurt anyone, especially a team with deep pockets. It seems like they're planning to take their shot with the old guys and then dip under the luxury tax threshold for a year in 2014.
i think that was the plan all along
This is the comparatively easy part of the plan. We'll see who's standing on the baseline for opening day 2014.
This is the last rodeo for Pettitte, Kuroda, Granderson, Ichiro, Rivera, & probably Martin if he signs a 1-yr deal
 
'TobiasFunke said:
'Brady Marino said:
'Snotbubbles said:
'Premier said:
BJ Upton to make his decision this week. Oh the anticipation.
The race to see who is going to really really really hate giving that contract come 2014
I saw 5/75 being thrown around as numbers for Upton. If that is true, that isn't horrible. He would slot nicely in the 2 hole for Philly and would mash at CBP. I could see a 35 HR, 90 RBI season for him in Philly.
A guy with a sub .300 OBP isn't what I'd call "ideal" for the 2 hole. 2008 or maybe even 2011 BJ Upton, but definitely not 2012 BJ Upton.
The sub .300 OBP year was probably more an outlier than aging. I'd expect him around .320 as usual.Not sure his power numbers will jump though. He got to feast on some pretty awful pitching last season in the AL East, especially when it comes to allowing HRs. That won't be the case in the NL East. He won't have to face one of the best rotations in baseball because he'll sign with them, but that still leaves two of the best out there, plus the Mets with Dickey and Harvey and the Marlins playing in that ridiculously huge park.
He didn't have a big BABIP dip last year. Walks down, K's up, more swings at pitches outside of the zone. 28 HR, but it was a pretty ugly 28 HR.His UZR has also been consistently average (and heading slightly downward), but he's no Michael Bourn in the field.

 
'shadyridr said:
Pettitte resigns with Yanks for 1yr, $11mYanks also close to re-signing Rivera & Ichiro
Yankees appear to be keeping the old band together for 2013 like Stallone casting The Expendables 3. If they're one year deals, they're not going to hurt anyone, especially a team with deep pockets. It seems like they're planning to take their shot with the old guys and then dip under the luxury tax threshold for a year in 2014.
i think that was the plan all along
This is the comparatively easy part of the plan. We'll see who's standing on the baseline for opening day 2014.
This is the last rodeo for Pettitte, Kuroda, Granderson, Ichiro, Rivera, & probably Martin if he signs a 1-yr deal
...Jeter? :shrug:
 
'TobiasFunke said:
'Brady Marino said:
'Snotbubbles said:
'Premier said:
BJ Upton to make his decision this week. Oh the anticipation.
The race to see who is going to really really really hate giving that contract come 2014
I saw 5/75 being thrown around as numbers for Upton. If that is true, that isn't horrible. He would slot nicely in the 2 hole for Philly and would mash at CBP. I could see a 35 HR, 90 RBI season for him in Philly.
A guy with a sub .300 OBP isn't what I'd call "ideal" for the 2 hole. 2008 or maybe even 2011 BJ Upton, but definitely not 2012 BJ Upton.
The sub .300 OBP year was probably more an outlier than aging. I'd expect him around .320 as usual.Not sure his power numbers will jump though. He got to feast on some pretty awful pitching last season in the AL East, especially when it comes to allowing HRs. That won't be the case in the NL East. He won't have to face one of the best rotations in baseball because he'll sign with them, but that still leaves two of the best out there, plus the Mets with Dickey and Harvey and the Marlins playing in that ridiculously huge park.
He didn't have a big BABIP dip last year. Walks down, K's up, more swings at pitches outside of the zone. 28 HR, but it was a pretty ugly 28 HR.His UZR has also been consistently average (and heading slightly downward), but he's no Michael Bourn in the field.
Plus I guess we've seen big dropoffs in his approach before. Crazy that he was a .380 OBP type guy just 4 years ago. Still, I think he'll recover to something in the .310-.325 range. I just can't accept a guy that talented with an OBP under .300. I do think the power will drop back down to maybe 20 HRs, though.
 

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