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*** Official 2012-13 Hot Stove Thread (1 Viewer)
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Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Hopefully the market chokes out and Lohse resigns with the Cards for a reasonable amount. That guy kind of grew on me after my initial skepticism.
Doctor Detroit
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This. He leaves a lot of balls up and to me went from an elite reliever to just a good one.'TobiasFunke said:Also looked like a pitcher who moved from Petco to Arlington.'Dr. Awesome said:Sure, but looking at a guy in his mid 30's it's not unreasonable to think his stuff may be slipping. His 4 seam dropped by nearly 1.5 mph last season. Fewer swings at his pitches and a higher contact rate as well. It's entirely possible it was just a one year fluke. Or he is regressing but not quite as quickly as last year indicated. But it does appear he's lost what made him good and he's going to be just an arm. I wouldn't be thrilled with the signing were I a Phillies fan as I don't think it's going to address their bullpen need.'the moops said:Are you only looking at his 2012 season?Because he has pretty damn awesome otherwise.'Good said:Even if he stays healthy, I still don't think that's a great move. He's average.'Please See Mine said:
sporthenry
Footballguy
Well the hope is that he gets back from his injury and returns to form. Sure some of the numbers look a little bad but his BB/9 rate was lower than his '10 season numbers. Looking at his pitch trax, his leaving the fastball up seemed to be a new development last year so perhaps it was a result of his injury, but in an unexpected twist, his ground ball rate actually went up. That is one thing Phillies execs actually hope stays up b/c the Bank can see long flies go out. The two biggest concerns are that his swing rate on pitches outside the zone dropped so that might be a combo of the fastball losing some velocity but his secondary pitches might have also been affected a bit. But his BABIP was also abnormally high at 327 so if that drops, his numbers should improve. I disagree that the Phillies made a huge mistake and apparently the Nats were willing to pay more for a closer role but he wanted to be a setup man.This. He leaves a lot of balls up and to me went from an elite reliever to just a good one.'TobiasFunke said:Also looked like a pitcher who moved from Petco to Arlington.'Dr. Awesome said:Sure, but looking at a guy in his mid 30's it's not unreasonable to think his stuff may be slipping. His 4 seam dropped by nearly 1.5 mph last season. Fewer swings at his pitches and a higher contact rate as well. It's entirely possible it was just a one year fluke. Or he is regressing but not quite as quickly as last year indicated. But it does appear he's lost what made him good and he's going to be just an arm. I wouldn't be thrilled with the signing were I a Phillies fan as I don't think it's going to address their bullpen need.'the moops said:Are you only looking at his 2012 season?Because he has pretty damn awesome otherwise.'Good said:Even if he stays healthy, I still don't think that's a great move. He's average.'Please See Mine said:
The biggest reason why this might be any type of mistake was opportunity cost. For a team trying to operate on a budget, $6 million could be the difference between Cody Ross/Pagan or Scott Hairston and Vernon Wells. And while Phillies fans hated their bullpen last year, they actually weren't that bad, especially once they got rid of Qualls. So I don't think Adams is a terrible move in itself but would the Phillies be a better team with no added relievers (or a cheaper one) and Cody Ross or Scott Hairston/Adams?
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
What do you think the Pirates are competing for this year? They're at least 1-2 years away.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Teams like Pittsburgh need to put certain aspects of their team together with sticky tack and glue, bullpen is usually the best area to try to do that. If they can move Hanrahan for a player or 2 that can help them this year at positions that are more difficult to piece together cheaply it's the right move.
Eephus
Footballguy
He'll be a free agent after this season
who do they have to replace him?
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Mac is right. Even without Hanrahan, they have a pretty good bullpen. He'll be gone at the end of the year anyways. Also, the pirates are not a legitimate contender this year even with the hammer
shadyridr
Footballguy
Theyve been close the last two years before fizzling out and they signed martin and liriano. Youre kidding yourself if you dont think they have playoff aspirations especially with two wild cards. And then they go and trade their second most important player?
Doctor Detroit
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Grilli will close apparently
shadyridr
Footballguy
Well, i had just assumed theyd be trading him for prospects and not players that would help them this year. Maybe im wrong
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Shady, honestly I think the way the Pirates performed in the first half of the past 2 seasons was a facade. The cards were falling right but over a 162 game season, they're not a playoff contender yet. Their future rides on 2 young pitchers who will be up in 2014
oso diablo
Footballguy
i would trade every "proven closer" my team ever developed.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Heard Sands may be heading Pittsburgh's way.
Eephus
Footballguy
Sands was hitless in his Boston careerHeard Sands may be heading Pittsburgh's way.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Yeah I'm not exactly enamored with the ROI but didn't expect much for Hanrahan
Balco
Footballguy
They have to have a deal in place for Upton, right? That is a ton of outfielders.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Just saw the deal, Sands is entering a put up or shut up year. Always liked his potential, just have obvious doubts about him realizing it given Pittsburgh's poor development program. Maybe he'll bring enough along from elsewhere...
Eephus
Footballguy
I wonder if the Pirates could have gotten Sands plus additional pieces from the Dodgers at the 2012 deadline if they'd been willing to deal Hanrahan then. LA needed relief help and traded two decent prospects for Brandon League at the end of July. The Pirates still thought they were in the playoffs hunt but they collapsed in August.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Trading Sands to rent a fat closer is brutal.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Ah yes, the Billy Beane strategy. Big fan of this shtick.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Is jerry sands any good?
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
He's raked in the minors. Some of that is Las Vegas-inflated, but he has power. Not sure why you'd give up a guy like that for one year of a closer who wasn't that good last year.
Eephus
Footballguy
Boston's bullpen was really bad.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
I heard 5/70
wtf is going on here?
Doctor Detroit
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No one I see reporting 70 mill, probably 4/56 with a team option maybe.
Swisher is exactly what the Indians needed although you have to wonder why they didn't try to give some of that to Choo and keep him around instead. Indians have some serious pitching issues but they'll hit.
Swisher is exactly what the Indians needed although you have to wonder why they didn't try to give some of that to Choo and keep him around instead. Indians have some serious pitching issues but they'll hit.
Doctor Detroit
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So a team option where Swisher will just have to be breathing to vest? I need to get his agent, ####### brilliant.
Eephus
Footballguy
The Tribe was better off dealing Choo for Bauer and spending for Swisher. It's not a big overpay for now. We'll see where he is in four years.
Doctor Detroit
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I like Swisher, he's a good clubhouse guy and he gets on base. For that team he hits 3rd or 5th, they could do a lot worse.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Plus, you can always count on some ####### GM nowadays taking Swish (and most of the contract) when he hits 35 or 36.Now, if only the Injuns could swing a deal with the Cards for Assdribble. Cards do have young starters to deal (Kelly and Rosenthal).
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Good luck, Tribe fans. This guy is maddening to root for.
Doctor Detroit
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I doubt they'll have to worry about his October swoons.
Balco
Footballguy
I think he is a great clubhouse guy, but you can get a great clubhouse guy for far cheaper, like a Johnny Gomes. But I do see what Francona is trying to do. Indians are a young ball club, they need some veterans in the clubhouse to show the young guys how to be a professional. And Swish isn't a horrible hitter.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Option vests with 550 PAs in 2016 and a passed physical
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
But he smiles a lot!!!
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Swisher is one of the most consistent OFers in the league
Other than his brutal 08, his OPS+ has been between 120 and 129 every year going back to 06
It's actually uncanny when you look at it...You can pencil him in for 150 games, around 25 homers, about 85RBIs with good On Base skills
He's a switch hitter and can play OF and 1B if needed and isn't a complete liability out there
I know the poor postseasons have poisoned him in a lot of Yankee fans eyes, but I understand why the Indians found him attractive
I agree that there was a slight overpay there, but it's not an absurd contract
Other than his brutal 08, his OPS+ has been between 120 and 129 every year going back to 06
It's actually uncanny when you look at it...You can pencil him in for 150 games, around 25 homers, about 85RBIs with good On Base skills
He's a switch hitter and can play OF and 1B if needed and isn't a complete liability out there
I know the poor postseasons have poisoned him in a lot of Yankee fans eyes, but I understand why the Indians found him attractive
I agree that there was a slight overpay there, but it's not an absurd contract
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Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Has anyone posted the rumors that Napoli's physical has cast his signing in doubt?
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/texas-rangers/headlines/20121222-national-writer-mike-napoli-s-hip-the-cause-of-red-sox-s-consternation-questions-mounting-about-deal.ece
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/texas-rangers/headlines/20121222-national-writer-mike-napoli-s-hip-the-cause-of-red-sox-s-consternation-questions-mounting-about-deal.ece
Doctor Detroit
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Moops thinks this is the deal of the century, guessing he'll be disappointed when Napoli plays 43 games next year. Then again as a Yanks, Red Sox and Twins fan maybe he'll be able to adjust fire and forget about the Sux failures.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
My brother has been a Yankees fan for the past 15 years or so despite growing up a Jays fan and living ~an hour from Toronto. Unsurprisingly this offseason he's miraculously become a Blue Jays fan again...Moops thinks this is the deal of the century, guessing he'll be disappointed when Napoli plays 43 games next year. Then again as a Yanks, Red Sox and Twins fan maybe he'll be able to adjust fire and forget about the Sux failures.
dparker713
Footballguy
550 PAs is not an easily vested option
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
It's about as easy as a vesting option gets IMO'dparker713 said:
Eephus
Footballguy
Grady Sizemore hasn't had 550 PAs since 2008. Pronk hasn't had 550 since 2007.It's about as easy as a vesting option gets IMO'dparker713 said:
