***Official 2012 Hot Stove Thread (1 Viewer)

[Mr. Know-It-All]

marlins offered 10 years to Pujols?

Got a feeling 10 years means more to him that the millions. I am also now thinking there is a decent chance he won't be back in St Louis. Don't know if they will give 10 years to a 35 year old.

Assuming the 10-yr offer is legit, I'm pretty confident he's gone. And at those contract terms, I'm okay with it.

Ultimately I agree - it will be sad, but it is a business and I would actually be disappointed more in the Cardinals if they made a bad business decision than if they lost Pujols. He will always be a Cardinal legend - maybe it is time to move on. Now, that said there is NO excuse to not go after another SP, a middle reliever, a shortstop and a proven OF. We have the cap space now.

I doubt you see an OF signed. If Pujols really is gone, Craig will get a full season in RF and Berkman will slide to 1B.As for a SP, I doubt you see that too unless they are able to trade Lohse. They have a ton of money tied up in Carp/Waino/Garcia/Lohse/Westbrook next season. Lohse and Westbrook are both off the books after 2012, so that's when I would expect them to make a splash on some SP.I don't believe Mo when he says, "I'm not afraid to have Tyler Greene as my starting SS next season." He's probably preparing fans for that scenario if they break the bank for Pujols, but otherwise I think they find someone else to be the everyday guy. Probably wouldn't hurt to find an everyday solution at 2B as well if Pujols leaves.

Honestly I am okay with Descalso at 2B...as long as we get a competent SS. The reason I would like an OF is for WHEN Puma goes to 1B. Jay, Craig and Holliday don't scream overconfidence. You know Holliday will miss games and I wouldn't mind having a platoon for Craig. Buehrle would look good in a St Louis uni...has he signed anywhere yet?

 

[RnR]

Buehrle is still on the market, and the rumor is they're trying to move Lohse to make room for him. Trouble is, they're paying Lohse nearly $12mil this season and Westbrook is getting like $8mil as well. They can't afford to sit on dead money for one of those guys to be a long man out of the bullpen while paying Buehrle another $13mil to be the #3 starter.

 

[Northern Voice]

Sergio Santos to the Jays. Odd trade, he has a pretty team-friendly contract.

Anthopolous loves roster flexibility. Santos is guaranteed 8.25 over the next 3 years, which is awesome for a closer, than has 3 option years at higher dollar amounts.

Shi Davidi Two important stats on Santos last year: WHIP: 1.105; K/9: 13.1. H/9 an excellent 5.8; BB/9 an unsightly 4.1

 

[RnR]

Sergio Santos to the Jays. Odd trade, he has a pretty team-friendly contract.

Anthopolous loves roster flexibility. Santos is guaranteed 8.25 over the next 3 years, which is awesome for a closer, than has 3 option years at higher dollar amounts.

Shi Davidi Two important stats on Santos last year: WHIP: 1.105; K/9: 13.1. H/9 an excellent 5.8; BB/9 an unsightly 4.1

Oh, I like this move for the Jays. Really like what AA is doing there. I'm just confused about the ChiSox moving Santos. Seems like the kind of player/contract you want to keep on your roster.ETA: Apparently the Sox are going into "rebuild" mode. In that case, I guess Molina is a good piece.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Buehrle is still on the market, and the rumor is they're trying to move Lohse to make room for him. Trouble is, they're paying Lohse nearly $12mil this season and Westbrook is getting like $8mil as well. They can't afford to sit on dead money for one of those guys to be a long man out of the bullpen while paying Buehrle another $13mil to be the #3 starter.

Right. I would rather dump Westbrook and then move Lohse to #5. Surely the Yanks are dumb enough to take Westbrook.

 

[Eephus]

Sergio Santos to the Jays. Odd trade, he has a pretty team-friendly contract.

Anthopolous loves roster flexibility. Santos is guaranteed 8.25 over the next 3 years, which is awesome for a closer, than has 3 option years at higher dollar amounts.

Shi Davidi Two important stats on Santos last year: WHIP: 1.105; K/9: 13.1. H/9 an excellent 5.8; BB/9 an unsightly 4.1

Oh, I like this move for the Jays. Really like what AA is doing there. I'm just confused about the ChiSox moving Santos. Seems like the kind of player/contract you want to keep on your roster.

I have no idea what Kenny Williams is thinking here, which isn't the least bit unusual.

 

[RnR]

Sergio Santos to the Jays. Odd trade, he has a pretty team-friendly contract.

Anthopolous loves roster flexibility. Santos is guaranteed 8.25 over the next 3 years, which is awesome for a closer, than has 3 option years at higher dollar amounts.

Shi Davidi Two important stats on Santos last year: WHIP: 1.105; K/9: 13.1. H/9 an excellent 5.8; BB/9 an unsightly 4.1

Oh, I like this move for the Jays. Really like what AA is doing there. I'm just confused about the ChiSox moving Santos. Seems like the kind of player/contract you want to keep on your roster.

I have no idea what Kenny Williams is thinking here, which isn't the least bit unusual.

I assume this means we could see Danks, Quentin, and/or Floyd moving soon as well?

 

[Brady Marino]

Sergio Santos to the Jays. Odd trade, he has a pretty team-friendly contract.

Anthopolous loves roster flexibility. Santos is guaranteed 8.25 over the next 3 years, which is awesome for a closer, than has 3 option years at higher dollar amounts.

Shi Davidi Two important stats on Santos last year: WHIP: 1.105; K/9: 13.1. H/9 an excellent 5.8; BB/9 an unsightly 4.1

Oh, I like this move for the Jays. Really like what AA is doing there. I'm just confused about the ChiSox moving Santos. Seems like the kind of player/contract you want to keep on your roster.ETA: Apparently the Sox are going into "rebuild" mode. In that case, I guess Molina is a good piece.

From Buster Olney's Twitter:

CWS's scouts view of Molina: Potentially a front-end-rotation guy. 4-pitch mix with great command. Plus makeup and athleticism, as well.

Molina's K rates in the minors are also excellent. And, unlike Santos, he starts.

 

[Northern Voice]

Apparently White Sox see Molina as potential front rotation starter. Jays had talked in the offseason about him actually being a closing option, with the majority of scouts in between at a mid rotation starter who may end up in the rotation or bullpen.

Molina came out of nowhere this season even for Jays fans and his numbers were incredible, but he's not overpowering and doesn't have dominant stuff, so who knows how he'll translate to the majors.

Hopefully getting a closer who's paid so little allows the Jays to make a couple more big moves (starting rotation and 2B).

 

[RnR]

Sergio Santos to the Jays. Odd trade, he has a pretty team-friendly contract.

Anthopolous loves roster flexibility. Santos is guaranteed 8.25 over the next 3 years, which is awesome for a closer, than has 3 option years at higher dollar amounts.

Shi Davidi Two important stats on Santos last year: WHIP: 1.105; K/9: 13.1. H/9 an excellent 5.8; BB/9 an unsightly 4.1

Oh, I like this move for the Jays. Really like what AA is doing there. I'm just confused about the ChiSox moving Santos. Seems like the kind of player/contract you want to keep on your roster.ETA: Apparently the Sox are going into "rebuild" mode. In that case, I guess Molina is a good piece.

From Buster Olney's Twitter:

CWS's scouts view of Molina: Potentially a front-end-rotation guy. 4-pitch mix with great command. Plus makeup and athleticism, as well.

Molina's K rates in the minors are also excellent. And, unlike Santos, he starts.

Using his minor league numbers as a gauge, he has the potential to be a nice piece, but this is the same team that extended Paul Konerko and signed Adam Dunn last off-season. A year later, they're tearing things down and rebuilding. Just seems weird.

 

[Eephus]

Apparently White Sox see Molina as potential front rotation starter. Jays had talked in the offseason about him actually being a closing option, with the majority of scouts in between at a mid rotation starter who may end up in the rotation or bullpen.Molina came out of nowhere this season even for Jays fans and his numbers were incredible, but he's not overpowering and doesn't have dominant stuff, so who knows how he'll translate to the majors.Hopefully getting a closer who's paid so little allows the Jays to make a couple more big moves (starting rotation and 2B).

Molina's K/BB ratio was over 9 in high-A and AA which is just ridiculous. When promising minor league pitchers get moved, I always give the benefit of the doubt to the organization that traded them away; they've seen a lot more of the prospect and have better information about strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Sergio Santos to the Jays. Odd trade, he has a pretty team-friendly contract.

Anthopolous loves roster flexibility. Santos is guaranteed 8.25 over the next 3 years, which is awesome for a closer, than has 3 option years at higher dollar amounts.

Shi Davidi Two important stats on Santos last year: WHIP: 1.105; K/9: 13.1. H/9 an excellent 5.8; BB/9 an unsightly 4.1

Oh, I like this move for the Jays. Really like what AA is doing there. I'm just confused about the ChiSox moving Santos. Seems like the kind of player/contract you want to keep on your roster.

I have no idea what Kenny Williams is thinking here, which isn't the least bit unusual.

Maybe he also picked up a few cases of frozen lobsters in the deal?

 

[RnR]

Maybe he also picked up a few cases of frozen lobsters in the deal?

 

[RnR]

marlins offered 10 years to Pujols?

Got a feeling 10 years means more to him that the millions. I am also now thinking there is a decent chance he won't be back in St Louis. Don't know if they will give 10 years to a 35 year old.

Assuming the 10-yr offer is legit, I'm pretty confident he's gone. And at those contract terms, I'm okay with it.

Ultimately I agree - it will be sad, but it is a business and I would actually be disappointed more in the Cardinals if they made a bad business decision than if they lost Pujols. He will always be a Cardinal legend - maybe it is time to move on. Now, that said there is NO excuse to not go after another SP, a middle reliever, a shortstop and a proven OF. We have the cap space now.

I doubt you see an OF signed. If Pujols really is gone, Craig will get a full season in RF and Berkman will slide to 1B.As for a SP, I doubt you see that too unless they are able to trade Lohse. They have a ton of money tied up in Carp/Waino/Garcia/Lohse/Westbrook next season. Lohse and Westbrook are both off the books after 2012, so that's when I would expect them to make a splash on some SP.I don't believe Mo when he says, "I'm not afraid to have Tyler Greene as my starting SS next season." He's probably preparing fans for that scenario if they break the bank for Pujols, but otherwise I think they find someone else to be the everyday guy. Probably wouldn't hurt to find an everyday solution at 2B as well if Pujols leaves.

Honestly I am okay with Descalso at 2B...as long as we get a competent SS. The reason I would like an OF is for WHEN Puma goes to 1B. Jay, Craig and Holliday don't scream overconfidence. You know Holliday will miss games and I wouldn't mind having a platoon for Craig. Buehrle would look good in a St Louis uni...has he signed anywhere yet?

Allen Craig underwent right knee surgery around Thanksgiving and might not be ready for Opening Day.Craig originally injured his right knee in the middle of the summer when he ran into an outfield wall in Houston while trying to make a catch in foul territory. He had screws inserted into the knee as part of the surgery and is expected to miss the next four-to-six months. Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch suspects that the 27-year-old outfielder will be ready in May.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

You know what would be nice? Keep Berkman in the OF and trade the Royals for Clint Robinson. He is blocked in KC with Hosmer and Butler - and really can't play any pos except 1B...could be had relatively cheap and will be good for a long time.

 

[beaux]

From RW:

According to SI's Jon Heyman, Mark Buehrle has narrowed his list of landing spots to five.

Buehrle's market opened with double-digit clubs involved, but some have dropped out and the veteran left-hander has eliminated others. He posted a 3.59 ERA and 1.30 WHIP in 31 starts this past year and has surpassed 200 innings in 11 consecutive seasons. The Marlins, Rangers, Nationals, Cardinals and Angels are among the clubs known to have interest.

 

[Eephus]

You know what would be nice? Keep Berkman in the OF and trade the Royals for Clint Robinson. He is blocked in KC with Hosmer and Butler - and really can't play any pos except 1B...could be had relatively cheap and will be good for a long time.

Matt Adams is a similar and younger player in the Cards system.

 

[Bogart]

How ape#### would we be going if you replaced "Miami Marlins" with "New York Yankees" on everything that is going on right now?

 

[Eephus]

How ape#### would we be going if you replaced "Miami Marlins" with "New York Yankees" on everything that is going on right now?

Post #3 updated

 

[Michael Brown]

Reserved for Yankees and Red Sox and Marlins acquisitions

 

[Bogart]

Reserved for Yankees and Red Sox and Marlins acquisitions

How ape#### would we be going if you replaced "Miami Marlins" with "New York Yankees" on everything that is going on right now?

Post #3 updated

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

You know what would be nice? Keep Berkman in the OF and trade the Royals for Clint Robinson. He is blocked in KC with Hosmer and Butler - and really can't play any pos except 1B...could be had relatively cheap and will be good for a long time.

Matt Adams is a similar and younger player in the Cards system.

Haven't seen him play. i am a season ticket holder to the Omaha Stormchasers (KC AAA Affiliate). They are loaded with talent but most are blocked by young guys KC just brought up. Clint Robinson shoul dbe in the bigs. it is nice to have him here - but offensively he is ready for the bigs. Glovework needs improvement.

 

[Captain Hook]

Clint Robinson >>> Matt Adams

 

[Eephus]

Clint Robinson >>> Matt Adams

Maybe so but Robinson will be 27 on opening day. He needs to do something soon or he'll be following Kila Ka'aihue and Calvin Pickering into baseball oblivion.

 

[Billy Bats]

Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports that Albert Pujols is mulling three 10-year offers, though the identity of the third team is not yet known. It's about time a "mystery team" got involved. Nightengale says the Cardinals have also offered Pujols a 10-year deal, in addition to the Marlins. Nightengale says the Cubs have also submitted a proposal to Pujols, but it's believed to be below the 10-year mark. If this "mystery team" is for real, it appears that this isn't a two-horse race after all. We're skeptical, though.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/mlb/346378/baseball-headlines?r=1

 

[gump]

Its 'close to done' with the Marlins.

 

[shadyridr]

Mets sign Frank Francisco to 2yr, $12m contract to be their closer Gotta love this team

Mets also sign Jon Rauch to one year deal and trade Pagan to Giants for Torres & Ramon Ramirez.

 

[Premier]

Pujols with the Marlins is a stunning thought.

 

[shadyridr]

This whole Pujols situation confuses me. Marlins offered him 10 yrs, $200mil. He wouldnt even be the highest paid player in baseball. As a matter of fact there would be several players with a highers annual salary thank Pujols. Doesnt the best player in baseball deserve to also be the highest paid?

 

[boubucarow]

This whole Pujols situation confuses me. Marlins offered him 10 yrs, $200mil. He wouldnt even be the highest paid player in baseball. As a matter of fact there would be several players with a highers annual salary thank Pujols. Doesnt the best player in baseball deserve to also be the highest paid?

Pure speculation but I am guessing only the Cubs are offering him a near best paid player in the game contract but for maybe 5 years at most. But since deals are not structured with salaries falling in later years, a team willing to pay him when he is past 40 is underpaying him now and overpaying him later.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

From an AL guy>thank you Florida and keep on spending!

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

The Padres have generously agreed to take Huston Street's 7.5M contract off the Rockies hands, and presumably send a bag of something stinky back in return.

 

[Eephus]

Padres acquire Huston Street from Colorado for a minor leaguer. The Rockies will presumably be covering a big chunk of the $7.5M he's owed for the last year of his contract. With all the teams looking for bullpen help, I would have thought they could have swung a better deal for Street but it's impossible to assess without knowing the PTBNL involved.

Street is effective when healthy and could be flipped at the deadline by San Diego.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Padres acquire Huston Street from Colorado for a minor leaguer. The Rockies will presumably be covering a big chunk of the $7.5M he's owed for the last year of his contract. With all the teams looking for bullpen help, I would have thought they could have swung a better deal for Street but it's impossible to assess without knowing the PTBNL involved.Street is effective when healthy and could be flipped at the deadline by San Diego.

San Diego is taking most of the contract. It's a salary dump so the Rockies can target a Fa Starting pitcher.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The Padres have generously agreed to take Huston Street's 7.5M contract off the Rockies hands, and presumably send a bag of something stinky back in return.

Better than something sticky.

 

[Eephus]

Padres acquire Huston Street from Colorado for a minor leaguer. The Rockies will presumably be covering a big chunk of the $7.5M he's owed for the last year of his contract. With all the teams looking for bullpen help, I would have thought they could have swung a better deal for Street but it's impossible to assess without knowing the PTBNL involved.Street is effective when healthy and could be flipped at the deadline by San Diego.

San Diego is taking most of the contract. It's a salary dump so the Rockies can target a Fa Starting pitcher.

Sorry, I misread the tweet. You're right that San Diego is picking up most of the cost. It's kind of a curious move considering Luke Gregerson is a viable cost controlled, in-house candidate.

 

[RnR]

Padres acquire Huston Street from Colorado for a minor leaguer. The Rockies will presumably be covering a big chunk of the $7.5M he's owed for the last year of his contract. With all the teams looking for bullpen help, I would have thought they could have swung a better deal for Street but it's impossible to assess without knowing the PTBNL involved.Street is effective when healthy and could be flipped at the deadline by San Diego.

San Diego is taking most of the contract. It's a salary dump so the Rockies can target a Fa Starting pitcher.

Sorry, I misread the tweet. You're right that San Diego is picking up most of the cost. It's kind of a curious move considering Luke Gregerson is a viable cost controlled, in-house candidate.

I'm just glad an old fella like yourself is venturing out and trying things like twitter. Glad to see you aren't counting on Baseball Weekly to arrive in your mailbox for the latest news.

 

[Eephus]

Padres acquire Huston Street from Colorado for a minor leaguer. The Rockies will presumably be covering a big chunk of the $7.5M he's owed for the last year of his contract. With all the teams looking for bullpen help, I would have thought they could have swung a better deal for Street but it's impossible to assess without knowing the PTBNL involved.Street is effective when healthy and could be flipped at the deadline by San Diego.

San Diego is taking most of the contract. It's a salary dump so the Rockies can target a Fa Starting pitcher.

Sorry, I misread the tweet. You're right that San Diego is picking up most of the cost. It's kind of a curious move considering Luke Gregerson is a viable cost controlled, in-house candidate.

I'm just glad an old fella like yourself is venturing out and trying things like twitter. Glad to see you aren't counting on Baseball Weekly to arrive in your mailbox for the latest news.

I had to get online after Larry King went off the air.

 

[The Hank]

Rumor making the rounds that Pirates and FA SP Erik Bedard are close to a 1 yr, 4.5 mil guaranteed contract.

ETA: MLBTraderumors.com CONFIRMS that Pirates will sign Erik Bedard.

 

[Wrigley]

At this point, I almost want Pujols to go back to the Cardinals.

:soriano:

 

[David Yudkin]

This whole Pujols situation confuses me. Marlins offered him 10 yrs, $200mil. He wouldnt even be the highest paid player in baseball. As a matter of fact there would be several players with a highers annual salary thank Pujols. Doesnt the best player in baseball deserve to also be the highest paid?

Pujols is probably older than he claims to be, so if he got offered a 10 year deal maybe he plays regularly and at a decent production level for 7 of them. If their offer was 10 years, $225 million, that works out to roughly $30 million a year for 7 years and $5 million a year for 3 years when he may not even be playing anymore. I realize that they don't consider that when evaluating contracts and average annual salary is how they rank contracts, but there's no doubt in my mind they are never going to get 10 years of above average production out of Pujols and the more years they tack on is really just window dressing.

 

[DCThunder]

Rumor making the rounds that Pirates and FA SP Erik Bedard are close to a 1 yr, 4.5 mil guaranteed contract.ETA: MLBTraderumors.com CONFIRMS that Pirates will sign Erik Bedard.

What's the O/U on when he goes on the DL for the first time? Whatever it is, take the under.

 

[dgreen]

Pujols is probably older than he claims to be...

I've seen this said a couple times, but I assumed they've been jokes. They're jokes, right? Or are there serious rumors to him being older?

 

[shake zula]

Pujols is probably older than he claims to be...

I've seen this said a couple times, but I assumed they've been jokes. They're jokes, right? Or are there serious rumors to him being older?

I don't think the question is whether he older than 31/32 the question is only how much older. Seriously.

 

[gump]

Beurle to the Marlins.

 

[shadyridr]

Pujols is probably older than he claims to be...

I've seen this said a couple times, but I assumed they've been jokes. They're jokes, right? Or are there serious rumors to him being older?

no way is he not older

 

[Wrigley]

Beurle to the Marlins.

4/58M

 

[shake zula]

Pujols is probably older than he claims to be...

I've seen this said a couple times, but I assumed they've been jokes. They're jokes, right? Or are there serious rumors to him being older?

no way is he not older

misread, sorry.Agree with you.

 

[Wrigley]

Pujols is probably older than he claims to be...

I've seen this said a couple times, but I assumed they've been jokes. They're jokes, right? Or are there serious rumors to him being older?

no way is he not older

misread, sorry.Agree with you.

at this point I'd be surprised if his real name is even Albert

 

[The Hank]

Beurle to the Marlins.

4/58M

Marlins throwing some serious cache out there.