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***OFFICIAL*** 2012 Washington Redskins Season Thread (3 Viewers)
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fatness
Footballguy
No kidding. They were going to trust their defense to hold the Bengals?
fatness
Footballguy
killing joke
Footballguy
perhaps you misremember the late 90's Mike Nolan defense'ChrisCooleyFan said:This is the worst defense ever. They cant cover cant tackle, Pathetic
not sure what the solution is to the defensive problems. I'm a proponent of building from the lines out -and they've done that- but the secondary issues are troubling. Talent evaluation is called into question, keeping R Dougherty and not retaining guys like Torrence & Holmes.Thank God we have a guy like Fletcher, who I expect to lead the unit to a turnaround
dehaven123
Footballguy
i agree.dude is incredible.loved wen they showed him on the side line, i think wen it was 24-14, right after the touchdown wen he was rallying the guys. good stuff.
As in, turn around and find the receiver that's running ten yards behind them already on the way to another TD reception? Seriously, I'd like to know what you see that even HINTS at the defense turning around. They are beyond horrible.I think the most unexplainable play of the game is the first play of the game. The Bengals line up in the Wildcat with Dalton as a WR on the far right and A.J. Green in the slot. So the Redskins put Hall on Dalton and Gomes on Green. When is it right to cover Green one on one with a safety? The answer can't be when Green lines up in the slot.
Buck Stop
Footballguy
While I'd like the Skins to be 3-0, I couldn't be happier with the season thus far (outside of the crappy injuries) RG3 has made watching this team fun, and they are competing in every game. Clearly the defense is what is going to kill us this year, but at least we'll have a lot of fun, high scoring games to watch! 
The high scoring is fun to watch. And it is so different that the Redskin teams of the past few years.It is fun to watch RGIII run the ball and run an unconventional offense. But I do cringe everytime he gets hit. The book on Vick is to hit him hard every time he runs the ball and I am certain defenses will do this with RGIII.While I'd like the Skins to be 3-0, I couldn't be happier with the season thus far (outside of the crappy injuries) RG3 has made watching this team fun, and they are competing in every game. Clearly the defense is what is going to kill us this year, but at least we'll have a lot of fun, high scoring games to watch!
I guess this shows you how far the skins have fallen. When watching a team with perhaps the worst defense in the league is considered fun. I guess if I turned the channel every time the other team had the ball it might be fun. Or if I was a video game addict that wanted the teams to go up and down the field scoring every possesion with little to no defensive effort. I get the hype for RGIII, I like him a lot. And the A Morris story is nice. But to enjoy watching another cellar dweller losing game after game, I don't get that at all. Like I said, I guess as a skins fan, expectations have just fallen off a cliff when this is considered a "good" or "fun" season.While I'd like the Skins to be 3-0, I couldn't be happier with the season thus far (outside of the crappy injuries) RG3 has made watching this team fun, and they are competing in every game. Clearly the defense is what is going to kill us this year, but at least we'll have a lot of fun, high scoring games to watch!
VA703
Footballguy
yeah they were talking about this on the junkies this morningsaying how they just wernt prepared for itcomparing haslett to williams
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RGIII isn't going to make it through the season if they keep running that option crap. It was brutal watching the defense blow him up every time he would release the ball. I'm all for the rollouts, giving him an option to run or pass, but that option run is going to kill him. Defenders don't give a crap if the RB gains an extra 5 yards, they will take the free shot at the defenseless QB.The high scoring is fun to watch. And it is so different that the Redskin teams of the past few years.It is fun to watch RGIII run the ball and run an unconventional offense. But I do cringe everytime he gets hit. The book on Vick is to hit him hard every time he runs the ball and I am certain defenses will do this with RGIII.While I'd like the Skins to be 3-0, I couldn't be happier with the season thus far (outside of the crappy injuries) RG3 has made watching this team fun, and they are competing in every game. Clearly the defense is what is going to kill us this year, but at least we'll have a lot of fun, high scoring games to watch!
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Jay Gruden said they saw it on film that the Redskins always would play cover 0 and crowd the safeties up against the wildcat every time and that they figured Green would be singled up just like it happened. They put the play in at Wednesday's practice (Sanu completed 18 passes including 4 TDs out of the wildcat in college and was a HS QB).It was a fun game to attend and I have to give props to the Redskin fans
who were very enthusiastic for their team but were 100% classy and generally good-natured. I also think it's awesome that they sell krispy kreme donuts in the parking lot for $5/dozen (dunno if that happens every game).-QG
dgreen
Footballguy
It's common practice to line up that way against a wildcat formation. It's never made much sense to me why you'd have a CB on the QB, but that's what everyone does. And, really, it's mostly harmless because teams run out of the wildcat 99.999% of the time (warning: I made up that %). It would have been nice if they could have adjusted on the fly and been more aware of Green. But, I think they lined up the way pretty much every defensive unit would have lined up.Personally, I'd pretty leave the QB uncovered against most teams. If he wants to go out wide, I'd dare them to throw him the ball. If he picks up 15 yards one play, that's fine. But, make them show they are willing to throw to the QB before dedicating resources to covering him.
Sebowski
Footballguy
That is the book on every player in the league.The high scoring is fun to watch. And it is so different that the Redskin teams of the past few years.It is fun to watch RGIII run the ball and run an unconventional offense. But I do cringe everytime he gets hit. The book on Vick is to hit him hard every time he runs the ball and I am certain defenses will do this with RGIII.While I'd like the Skins to be 3-0, I couldn't be happier with the season thus far (outside of the crappy injuries) RG3 has made watching this team fun, and they are competing in every game. Clearly the defense is what is going to kill us this year, but at least we'll have a lot of fun, high scoring games to watch!
Sebowski
Footballguy
I think that is why teams put the safeties up and make sure it is a safety in the slot rather than a CB. Imagine Hall lined up there and it is a run play right at him. I agree that AJ should have never been left 1-1 with Gomes though.
dgreen
Footballguy
I'd really like to see an injury study between "running QBs" and "pocket QBs". I'm just not buying that it's a big difference.So, of course, I'm really not a fan of reining Griffin in. Let him do what he does. I see no reason to trade up for him in the draft if you are going to then try to alter his game. It's football. People get hurt. You can't play to not get hurt...or else you'll get hurt.The conventional stuff wasn't working yesterday. The offense couldn't move the ball in the first half. The second half, they adjusted and found something that worked. They can't just say, "Well, yeah, it worked but he might get hurt so let's go back to what wasn't working."Basically, I'd rather they not play scared and just do what works best.RGIII isn't going to make it through the season if they keep running that option crap. It was brutal watching the defense blow him up every time he would release the ball. I'm all for the rollouts, giving him an option to run or pass, but that option run is going to kill him. Defenders don't give a crap if the RB gains an extra 5 yards, they will take the free shot at the defenseless QB.The high scoring is fun to watch. And it is so different that the Redskin teams of the past few years.It is fun to watch RGIII run the ball and run an unconventional offense. But I do cringe everytime he gets hit. The book on Vick is to hit him hard every time he runs the ball and I am certain defenses will do this with RGIII.While I'd like the Skins to be 3-0, I couldn't be happier with the season thus far (outside of the crappy injuries) RG3 has made watching this team fun, and they are competing in every game. Clearly the defense is what is going to kill us this year, but at least we'll have a lot of fun, high scoring games to watch!
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fatness
Footballguy
Somebody wrote Kyle Shanahan an apology statement.
Apparently he not only cussed out the official but chased him down the tunnel.
Apparently he not only cussed out the official but chased him down the tunnel.
fatness
Footballguy
Part of reining him in occurred when Shanahan called for the punt on 4th and 1. What a lousy decision. The Skins had the momentum and it was time to keep attacking. Instead of going for it, for the second time in 2 weeks Shanahan changed his mind after an opponents time out and decided not to attack.
dgreen
Footballguy
I didn't think it was anything too serious. He walked off the field without help, which was a good sign. Also, he came back in a couple times and seemed clear to me that it just an issue of pain tolerance and how much he could move while in that pain. You could tell he was struggling when he came back in, but he was still better than Black. The final piece of evidence for me that he was probably ok was when I saw him out there for an XP. I saw him being helped up after an XP and I'm thinking, "Save him for real plays and not XP." Then I remembered that we don't have the best kick blocking and that could have been an important XP.Anyway, hope he can play soon.A big part of the RGIII getting hit is the poor play of the OL. RGIII was sacked 6 times and hit many more while in pocket. He also got slammed twice while pitching balls out in his own backfield. The OL needs to keep people off RGII better than that. I think the hits when he is actually running the ball aren't that bad because he can anticipate and protect himself.I'd really like to see an injury study between "running QBs" and "pocket QBs". I'm just not buying that it's a big difference.So, of course, I'm really not a fan of reining Griffin in. Let him do what he does. I see no reason to trade up for him in the draft if you are going to then try to alter his game. It's football. People get hurt. You can't play to not get hurt...or else you'll get hurt.The conventional stuff wasn't working yesterday. The offense couldn't move the ball in the first half. The second half, they adjusted and found something that worked. They can't just say, "Well, yeah, it worked but he might get hurt so let's go back to what wasn't working."Basically, I'd rather they not play scared and just do what works best.RGIII isn't going to make it through the season if they keep running that option crap. It was brutal watching the defense blow him up every time he would release the ball. I'm all for the rollouts, giving him an option to run or pass, but that option run is going to kill him. Defenders don't give a crap if the RB gains an extra 5 yards, they will take the free shot at the defenseless QB.The high scoring is fun to watch. And it is so different that the Redskin teams of the past few years.It is fun to watch RGIII run the ball and run an unconventional offense. But I do cringe everytime he gets hit. The book on Vick is to hit him hard every time he runs the ball and I am certain defenses will do this with RGIII.While I'd like the Skins to be 3-0, I couldn't be happier with the season thus far (outside of the crappy injuries) RG3 has made watching this team fun, and they are competing in every game. Clearly the defense is what is going to kill us this year, but at least we'll have a lot of fun, high scoring games to watch!
Just FYI, not trying to be a jerk or anything, honest. But it's "reigning"...
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
Well, it's "rains" here almost everyday...if that matters.
dgreen
Footballguy
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
dgreen said it right...we couldn't move the ball in the first half, RGIII's worst ball he has played so far. Then he and the offense came alive in the second, problem is the defense couldn't stop anyone all game long. We gave up 24 pts in first half and are easily the worst, if not one of the worst D's in the league for yardage & points.
Everyone talks about our coverage, which is to be desired, but our pass rush is not really making it uncomfortable for opposing QB's either. The worst secondary can look good if pressure is being applied. Haz just looks like a he hasn't done this before as adjustments are made or are not being done effectively.
Everyone talks about our coverage, which is to be desired, but our pass rush is not really making it uncomfortable for opposing QB's either. The worst secondary can look good if pressure is being applied. Haz just looks like a he hasn't done this before as adjustments are made or are not being done effectively.
Cool, thanks! Learn something new every day.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Two weeks in a row now. Once again, in the fourth quarter:
Setting aside the moronic wasting of timeouts and challenges, this decision by Shanahan was inexcusable. The score was tied at this point. It's demonstrably wrong to punt here. It's not close. No matter who the teams and players are, you are hurting your team's chances to win if you punt here. Everyone focuses on blown calls and unsportsmanlike conduct penalties and stuff like this gets lost in the shuffle, but it shouldn't be. This is where the game was lost, and the media and fans need to call out Shanahan on it.
nittanylion
Footballguy
Outside the NFC East, from my perspective as a Redskins fan, I don't think there's a Team I dislike more than the Buccaneers. They are like an annoying gnat that always winds up on our schedule at a critical juncture, be it regular season or playoffs, and the games are always a gritty, scrappy and edgy struggle. I'd like nothing better than to completely dominate that Team in a game from whistle to whistle.
dgreen
Footballguy
I think he was asked about it in the postgame presser and he gave a pretty unsatisfactory answer. He said he was lining up to go for it because he thought the Bengals' defenders were tired. Once Cincy took the timeout, Shanahan changed his mind because they now had some rest. So, it appears his initial decision to go for it really had nothing to do with the game scenario (tied score, field position, distance to go, 4th quarter, etc.). It was all about them being tired...if you can trust his answer.It's baffling that he trusted his D to hold Cincy more than he trusted his O to pick up less than a yard. Even if he did trust his D, he has to then think that they'd return the punt further than the 44 in order for them to gain a field of position advantage out of all of that. I believe last week's decision to punt led to St. Louis getting off a 60+ yard punt with no return by Banks and a huge field position change. Oh, and btw, Racca is having a pretty bad year. He's been pretty good at dropping some inside the 10, but his punts in the middle of the field have to have a pretty low average.'TobiasFunke said:
fatness
Footballguy
It really is baffling. The offense is the strength of the team, the defense is the weakness, and it is only 1 yard. He made a very bad decision.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Yeah, I'd say.I'm gonna do my part to make this an issue for Redskins fans. Because it should be. It's one thing to complain about the state of the O-Line and the secondary. There are real limitations that the team faces in trying to improve those, with the salary cap and the need to use draft picks elsewhere and the lack of available talent and so on. But there is no excuse for willfully choosing to reduce your team's chances to win a game by making "conservative" decisions, presumably just so you don't look bad if the right decision backfires. It's not OK. I've been pro-Shanahan and I really want them to give this regime time to take root, but as a fan there's nothing that pisses me off more than this kind of stuff.
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
Steve Spurrier....Jim Zorn....
I'll take "a pretty unsatisfactory answer" from Shanny any day over satisfactory answers from those two BOZO's! Don't forget where we have been and take it for granted boyz!
I'll take "a pretty unsatisfactory answer" from Shanny any day over satisfactory answers from those two BOZO's! Don't forget where we have been and take it for granted boyz!
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fatness
Footballguy
Well I'd prefer an answer from Madonna over Spurrier and Zorn too, but she'd do some ####ty coaching. That was a ####ty coaching decision by Shanahan, just like the 287-yard field goal the week before. So far Shanahan's record is worse than Zorn's.And who's deciding to use the Pearl Harbor pass defenses they've been using?
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fatness
Footballguy
Helu on IR for the year with turf toe and problems with both Achilles tendons.
Ryan Grant signed.
Royster having injury problems.
David Jones signed at CB and Crezdon Butler waived.
Practice squad DL Delvin Johnson waived and DL Chigbo Anunoby signed(another name to love pronouncing).
Ryan Grant signed.
Royster having injury problems.
David Jones signed at CB and Crezdon Butler waived.
Practice squad DL Delvin Johnson waived and DL Chigbo Anunoby signed(another name to love pronouncing).
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Exactly.You can't defend a moronic decision by saying that the guy isn't always as moronic as two other guys who had the job. Stupid is stupid. And punting on 4th and 1 at the opponent's 44 with the score tied in the fourth quarter is honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen from an NFL coach. Possibly dumber than the "swinging gate" play.
I think you guys are over-reacting to the punt. It wasn't that bad of a decision compared to many others. And every coach will have some questionable decisions.
fatness
Footballguy
Game momentum shifted at that moment from the Skins to the Bengals. The Bengals didn't seize the momentum. The Redskins coach gave it away.
dgreen
Footballguy
After doing what? Driving to Redskins Park? Practicing?
I suspect 30% of the NFL head coaches would have punted there. If so, that his not a automatic decision.On the other side is the 62 yard field goal attempt by Cundiff. Almost no coach would have tried the field goal there.The point is: the decision to punt is not that unreasonable. I'm not saying it was a good decision, but I don't think it was surprising or unreasonable.
