***OFFICIAL*** 2012 Washington Redskins Season Thread (1 Viewer)

[dgreen]

But Andrews didn't examine him until after the game. And then after that Griffin was sent for an MRI since you can only tell so much from an exam. The "examination" while Griffin was out for one play (and telling the coach he was going back in) consisted of Shanahan saying "Doc can he go back in?".

Link?

That game will live a long time in Redskin memories.

I was waiting for a Byron Leftwich moment where the OL carry him down the field for the next play.

 

[Jene Bramel]

FYI, here's Dr Bramel's current opinion:

Robert Griffin III avoided serious injury after a dramatic hyperextension injury yesterday. The wording of the Redskins’ press release – a clear MRI with a knee sprain – caused some confusion initially, as the MRI technically couldn’t have been “clear” and have a finding of a ligament sprain. I think the Redskins were simply trying to reassure their fans that Griffin’s knee was clear of the most significant ligament injuries – high grade sprains and/or an ACL tear. Based on the hyperextension and knee sprain report, it’s most likely that Griffin has a low-mid grade PCL sprain. That’s just my speculation, however; we’ll hopefully get more specifics from Mike Shanahan today. It’s also too early to say anything about Griffin’s return to play expectation. If the injury is low grade, it’s possible that Griffin could play this week, but it won’t be surprising to hear anything from a 1-4 week timetable.

Added this as an addendum after the announcement of the LCL diagnosis yesterday:

(Edit: Griffin has a Grade 1 LCL strain per Mike Shanahan. He’ll be limited in practice this week, but could play in a brace. His availability will depend on how much looseness he feels in the joint at the end of the week and how much any pain, swelling or stiffness he has after a week of treatment. If he’s unable to play this week, it shouldn’t be a long term injury.)

I don't know the time between when Griffin left the field and when he returned, but 1-2 minutes can be enough to examine a knee and determine whether there's enough laxity in the joint or concern about a devastating knee injury to allow a player to return. Much of that depends on how quickly the player can tell you what happened, where the pain is and whether they can relax enough to get a reasonable exam.But fatness is right. A quick sideline exam is not completely trustworthy -- adrenaline, pain, etc can confuse the picture. Followup exams in the locker room and the MRI usually confirm what was initially suspected, but the sideline exam can be misleading in some situations.

 

[dgreen]

I don't know the time between when Griffin left the field and when he returned, but 1-2 minutes can be enough to examine a knee and determine whether there's enough laxity in the joint or concern about a devastating knee injury to allow a player to return. Much of that depends on how quickly the player can tell you what happened, where the pain is and whether they can relax enough to get a reasonable exam.

Probably a little more than 2 minutes. There was the injury, a few replays, an injury commercial break (can't remember if it was 30 seconds or 60 seconds), a play run that most likely used most of the 25-second play clock prior to the snap, a quick ref discussion and a call of pass interference, a penalty yardage walk off and resetting the ball, and then he's back in.

 

[Jene Bramel]

I don't know the time between when Griffin left the field and when he returned, but 1-2 minutes can be enough to examine a knee and determine whether there's enough laxity in the joint or concern about a devastating knee injury to allow a player to return. Much of that depends on how quickly the player can tell you what happened, where the pain is and whether they can relax enough to get a reasonable exam.

Probably a little more than 2 minutes. There was the injury, a few replays, an injury commercial break (can't remember if it was 30 seconds or 60 seconds), a play run that most likely used most of the 25-second play clock prior to the snap, a quick ref discussion and a call of pass interference, a penalty yardage walk off and resetting the ball, and then he's back in.

Unless you're unable to get a player calmed down (pain, adrenaline, wants back in immediately), that's usually enough time to get a reasonable knee exam done. Not always enough time to do some football-related maneuvers on the sideline to determine whether the player is feeling more looseness than he should in the joint with low grade sprains, but enough time to stress each ligament and decide whether or not there's a high grade injury.

 

[dgreen]

I don't know the time between when Griffin left the field and when he returned, but 1-2 minutes can be enough to examine a knee and determine whether there's enough laxity in the joint or concern about a devastating knee injury to allow a player to return. Much of that depends on how quickly the player can tell you what happened, where the pain is and whether they can relax enough to get a reasonable exam.

Probably a little more than 2 minutes. There was the injury, a few replays, an injury commercial break (can't remember if it was 30 seconds or 60 seconds), a play run that most likely used most of the 25-second play clock prior to the snap, a quick ref discussion and a call of pass interference, a penalty yardage walk off and resetting the ball, and then he's back in.

Unless you're unable to get a player calmed down (pain, adrenaline, wants back in immediately), that's usually enough time to get a reasonable knee exam done. Not always enough time to do some football-related maneuvers on the sideline to determine whether the player is feeling more looseness than he should in the joint with low grade sprains, but enough time to stress each ligament and decide whether or not there's a high grade injury.

I definitely remember them showing Griffin walking along the sideline after returning from commercial break. Not sure if he did some football-related maneuvers. He didn't even do many football-related maneuvers after going back into the game. He basically just took snaps, stayed in the same place, and threw (which obviously some planting and weight being put on his legs).After one long gain, he was clearly in a lot of pain and struggled to get up to the LOS. I think the center snapped the ball early, when Griffin wasn't expecting it, and the ball was on the ground. He picked it up quickly and threw it out of the back of the endzone, was called for intentional grounding, and then left the game for good.

 

[fatness]

You guys will like this article. It's about the improvement in the team since the bye week and all the young players.

young players are making a difference for redskins

 

[fatness]

But Andrews didn't examine him until after the game. And then after that Griffin was sent for an MRI since you can only tell so much from an exam. The "examination" while Griffin was out for one play (and telling the coach he was going back in) consisted of Shanahan saying "Doc can he go back in?".

Link?

Well the first link is that no one in the world watching the game saw Andrews examine Griffin during his one-play break. With thousands in the stands and millions watching on TV, nobody saw it. But since that's not clickable, here's John Keim.

yes. but on tv replay, did not see Andrews examine him after first time he came out. does examine after 2nd time.

So I'm wrong about Andrews not examining him until after the game. And it appears that those saying Andrews examined him during the one-play-out-before-right-back-in are wrong also.The game is one of those games of legend; it'll be remembered for years. Looking for most of the game like they were being overtaken and beaten by a really good opponent, then suddenly coming back to tie with 2 rookies QB's (one of them playing injured), a TD, a 2-point converstion, an overtime punt return and FG. It was completely awesome, legendary Redskin drama by itself. It doesn't need to be embellished with the detail of Dr. Andrews examining Griffin during one play off. The game was totally awesome.

Was anyone watching it on TV besides me standing for the entire final drive of regulation and for all of OT? I could not sit down.

 

[pablito]

Can't answer that, but I can tell you that everyone else up in the nosebleeds with us was on their feet. It was no RFK, but the floor was definitely moving!

But Andrews didn't examine him until after the game. And then after that Griffin was sent for an MRI since you can only tell so much from an exam. The "examination" while Griffin was out for one play (and telling the coach he was going back in) consisted of Shanahan saying "Doc can he go back in?".

Link?

Well the first link is that no one in the world watching the game saw Andrews examine Griffin during his one-play break. With thousands in the stands and millions watching on TV, nobody saw it. But since that's not clickable, here's John Keim.

yes. but on tv replay, did not see Andrews examine him after first time he came out. does examine after 2nd time.

So I'm wrong about Andrews not examining him until after the game. And it appears that those saying Andrews examined him during the one-play-out-before-right-back-in are wrong also.The game is one of those games of legend; it'll be remembered for years. Looking for most of the game like they were being overtaken and beaten by a really good opponent, then suddenly coming back to tie with 2 rookies QB's (one of them playing injured), a TD, a 2-point converstion, an overtime punt return and FG. It was completely awesome, legendary Redskin drama by itself. It doesn't need to be embellished with the detail of Dr. Andrews examining Griffin during one play off. The game was totally awesome.

Was anyone watching it on TV besides me standing for the entire final drive of regulation and for all of OT? I could not sit down.

 

[Sidewinder16]

One thought: even before Crawfords big punt return in overtime, I thought that Banks will never return another punt for the Redskins again. Crawford's first two punt returns were 16 and 20 yards, which is excellent. Banks has been struggling all season returning punts.

crawford is a plus down the stretch as he adds hidden yds in the field position gm.nothing but a positive.

nice to see someone head upfield versus the hesitiation gm banks has been playing when he rec the punt.

I once heard Mike Nelms talk about returning kicks. He said the goal was to run straight ahead as fast as you can and at the last moment, make a move to make the defender miss. He also rarely fair caught a punt, believing if he could catch it and pick up two yards before getting creamed, that is two less yards the offense needs to go in order to score.

From Keim's "Ten Observations":

Plus one: Crawford, as I’ve written in the past, is a smart, insightful kid. Want to know why he makes a cut and goes? “When you listen to all the great punt returners, they tell you they make a decision and go,” he said. “Hester, Deion Sanders. Even Antonio Perkins from Oklahoma, I watched him growing up and he returned three punts in a game before. All the great returners make a decision and go.” Crawford made a wise one. By the way, Perkins returned three punts for a touchdown two years ago vs. UCLA.

 

[fatness]

Can't answer that, but I can tell you that everyone else up in the nosebleeds with us was on their feet. It was no RFK, but the floor was definitely moving!

You did good. John Harbaugh: FedEx Field crowd ruined fake punt play

“We just had a situation out there where the guys couldn’t hear Anthony [Allen] make the hut call,” Coach John Harbaugh told reporters on Monday. “You know, it got real loud at that point in time. And we executed it really well; we made a substitution and we were running a certain play in there that we thought had a chance. And it would’ve probably had a REAL good chance. But the offensive line couldn’t hear the snap count. And that’s something that was disappointing.”

 

[pablito]

Can't answer that, but I can tell you that everyone else up in the nosebleeds with us was on their feet. It was no RFK, but the floor was definitely moving!

You did good. John Harbaugh: FedEx Field crowd ruined fake punt play

“We just had a situation out there where the guys couldn’t hear Anthony [Allen] make the hut call,” Coach John Harbaugh told reporters on Monday. “You know, it got real loud at that point in time. And we executed it really well; we made a substitution and we were running a certain play in there that we thought had a chance. And it would’ve probably had a REAL good chance. But the offensive line couldn’t hear the snap count. And that’s something that was disappointing.”

Wow! That is really cool! And to the writer's other point, there WERE lots of Ravens fans in the stands. They were being their typically obnoxious selves, so it felt pretty darn good to rub their noses in it at the end.

 

[dgreen]

And to the writer's other point, there WERE lots of Ravens fans in the stands.

“There was a little confusion there at the end with that snap,” the center said. “We were on the quick count, so we were in the no-huddle, and we were all ready to go. And I guess [RGIII] was making checks with his receivers. And I don’t know if there were a lot of Baltimore fans in the crowd or what, but it was surprisingly loud for a home game. And so we just weren’t sure Robert’s status on his knee really during that last drive.”

Yes, there were a lot of Ravens fans. But, the Redskins crowd tends to get excited when the Redskins get near the endzone and make a little too much noise in those situations. I don't think the noise at that time was simply due to Ravens fans yelling and screaming. In a normal huddle situation, the crowd gets excited and makes some noise in approval of the expected TD. Many fans then start loudly "SHHH"ing and wave their arms in a downward motion to tell the other fans to be quiet. In this play, there just wasn't enough time for the excited yelling and the usual calm down. They were still cheering the previous play by the time the ball is snapped.

 

[MikeApf]

Man, with this play RGIII or not talk, I'm having flashbacks to the Strasberg situation. Now is the time to make the playoff run. But you cannot damage this guy long term. I say you give Cousins a chance unless RGIII really is 90% recovered from a very minor sprain.

 

[dgreen]

@davidelfinGood news 4#Redskins. @RGIII is practicing. For brief time we were allowed to watch, if you didn't know he had a bad knee, you wouldn't know

I don't think the media really gets to see a lot. I take this to mean that he didn't have a very noticeable limp walking out to the field and during warm-ups. I'm not sure if they got to see him throw at all.It really comes down to two things:1) What do the doctors say about his ligaments? Will putting some pressure on it and doing football stuff cause additional damage?2) If the doctors say simple things like planting and throwing and doing some running and cutting are ok, then Griffin and the Redskins have to answer whether he can physically avoid pressure when he needs to? Can he physically avoid a hit if he has to or will he be a sitting duck?As long as both can be answered Yes, then I think he plays.

 

[Sidewinder16]

@davidelfin

Good news 4#Redskins. @RGIII is practicing. For brief time we were allowed to watch, if you didn't know he had a bad knee, you wouldn't know

I don't think the media really gets to see a lot. I take this to mean that he didn't have a very noticeable limp walking out to the field and during warm-ups. I'm not sure if they got to see him throw at all.

Keim has a little more on what the media saw.

Griffin, who suffered a Grade 1 sprain of his right lateral collateral ligament in Sunday’s 31-28 overtime win vs. Baltimore, was able to jog and even run a little bit. But he did not run at full speed. There was no noticeable limp when he ran. However, he also was not seen cutting and that’s usually the big factor in whether or not a runner will be able to play coming off a knee or ankle injury.

He did seem to plant gingerly on his right leg on some of his throws and still favored throwing more off his front leg than his back. All the throws required him to do nothing but turn and throw. But considering it’s Wednesday the fact that he was on the field and doing what he did must be an encouraging sign for the Redskins.

From what I understand, the portion of practice that the media is privy to includes real basic stuff like warmups and positional drills. Pretty sure they don't see any plays being run/practiced during the season.ETA:

Rich Campbell's report of what he saw:

Griffin — wearing a helmet, cleats and a jersey like the rest of his teammates — practiced dropping back, planting and throwing short passes, which appeared to have their normal velocity. He even threw one pass from behind his back.

He ran in a straight line at a moderate pace and also shuffled his feet laterally in separate portions of the team's stretching session. He moved smoothly at times and gingerly at others.

Griffin wore long pants, so whether he wore a knee brace was not evident.

 

[dgreen]

@Rich_CampbellRobert Griffin III is back on the practice field this morning. Moving around fine. Planting & throwing fine. #Redskins

 

[Sebowski]

Anyone here comfortably starting Him in the playoffs this week against a tough Browns D?

 

[TxBuckeye]

Anyone here comfortably starting Him in the playoffs this week against a tough Browns D?

You mean Jesus??

 

[Todd Andrews]

Anyone here comfortably starting Him in the playoffs this week against a tough Browns D?

I think I am about ready. Going to keep paying attention, but I think it is about 80-90% likely he plays given the reporting. And I dont think the Redskins play him unless they think he is ok. If he plays, I expect the Redskins to try to win which means I expect production from him. How and whether he can produce, etc., remains to be seen, of course. But if he is cleared I think he plays because the Redskins dont really have the luxury of sitting him a week to make really really really sure he is ok or to give the knee time to heal/rest.

 

[dehaven123]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/13/espn-commentator-on-rg3-hes-kind-of-black-but-hes-not-really/

what do u guys think about this stoopid ####?

id have had security up there to escort his ### out so fast, it would have straight from the set. but espn airs this ignorant #### later in the day? wow.

personally, has me asking myself questions.

i mean, im from WV and grew up in WV, but am i a true redneck?

well, i do have a few teeth missing, and i have speak w/ a southern twang, but i wear a shirt and tie and make $100K.

am i really a redneck or not?

im very confused.

 

[Sebowski]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/13/espn-commentator-on-rg3-hes-kind-of-black-but-hes-not-really/what do u guys think about this stoopid ####?id have had security up there to escort his ### out so fast, it would have straight from the set. but espn airs this ignorant #### later in the day? wow. personally, has me asking myself questions.i mean, im from WV and grew up in WV, but am i a true redneck?well, i do have a few teeth missing, and i have speak w/ a southern twang, but i wear a shirt and tie and make $100K.am i really a redneck or not?im very confused.

Wow. What a jackass. Props to Stephen A. Smith though.

 

[Sidewinder16]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/13/espn-commentator-on-rg3-hes-kind-of-black-but-hes-not-really/

what do u guys think about this stoopid ####?

id have had security up there to escort his ### out so fast, it would have straight from the set. but espn airs this ignorant #### later in the day? wow.

Who says racism is dead?

personally, has me asking myself questions.

i mean, im from WV and grew up in WV, but am i a true redneck?

well, i do have a few teeth missing, and i have speak w/ a southern twang, but i wear a shirt and tie and make $100K.

am i really a redneck or not?

im very confused.

I now picture you looking like this in my head, dehaven. Which means, despite the clothes and money, you are still, undoubtedly, a redneck.

 

[Assani Fisher]

suppose Skins win next 2 games and the season finale against Dallas is meaningful to playoff hopes/playoff seeding....I'll be in Maryland for holidays and am considering going to that game and possibly taking some people with me as a Christmas present. How expensive would everyone expect tickets to be for that game then? Best/cheapest way to buy them?

 

[dgreen]

suppose Skins win next 2 games and the season finale against Dallas is meaningful to playoff hopes/playoff seeding....I'll be in Maryland for holidays and am considering going to that game and possibly taking some people with me as a Christmas present. How expensive would everyone expect tickets to be for that game then? Best/cheapest way to buy them?

2007 was a win-and-in-you're-in game against Dallas in the final week. I had $64 upper level seats at the time and I saw people asking around $200-250 for similar seats for that game. There are now 10,000 less seats in the stadium, so supply will likely be lower. Not sure whether demand would be higher for this year or not. Also, it was a rainy day in 2007, so weather wasn't the best.The cheapest place to buy tickets would probably be on Extremeskins. Check their Classifieds forum. A lot of times, people don't try to get top dollar there.

 

[Assani Fisher]

thanks for the info, dgreen....was hoping to take a lot of people, so was hoping there was some way to get tickets for under $100/each, but I guess thats a pipe dream

 

[dgreen]

thanks for the info, dgreen....was hoping to take a lot of people, so was hoping there was some way to get tickets for under $100/each, but I guess thats a pipe dream

Well, if they lose the next two and RG3 doesn't play against Dallas, you can go dirt cheap!Not ideal, but you can look into standing room only tickets. (Those and obstructed view will be the cheapest.) There are SROs in both the club level and the upper level. I'm not sure if they hold some back until closer to game day or if they've all been sold already. You might want to call the ticket office and ask.

Check out this thread on Extremeskins. A bunch of information about FedEx and all of it's seating options.

Not sure how accurate, but the Washington Post has a site that tracks ticket prices. They look pretty crazy right now. Not many tickets available. Looking at the Classifieds forum on Extremeskins, there is nobody selling. Mostly just people looking to buy. I haven't seen a ticket market like this for the Redskins.

 

[fatness]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter At team meeting minutes ago, Redskins players were informed Kirk Cousins will start at Cleveland, according to text from person in room.

Jay Glazer ‏@JayGlazer RG3 not starting. Cousins gets the start. As I reported yesterday Cousins got all first team reps

 

[Sebowski]

I'm glad He is resting. Need to let the knee heal. Even if he rests the rest of the season. That was an ugly injury.

With Cousins in, Morris will be the sole key for the Browns D, Cousins needs to show well early for this game to be winnable. I really like the kid, but this is asking a lot.

 

[fatness]

According to Albert Breer of NFL Network, usual starter Robert Griffin III won’t even be in uniform for Sunday’s game at Cleveland, due to a knee injury suffered last Sunday.

 

[fatness]

John Keim

With Griffin, the Redskins clearly didn’t see what they wanted to from him. Griffin took part in individual work during practice time that was open to the media. He dropped back and planted and threw. He executed some stretch zone handoffs and bootleg action. But he did not go full speed nor did he plant-and-cut violently as he would have to during a game. Considering he’s only a rookie and a major part of the future, it makes sense. Griffin made it clear he wanted to play, but the Redskins opted for long-term thinking.

I don't have any idea at all what will happen in today's game. No idea what to expect from the Skins with Griffin out. I think Cleveland will score at least 23 points and turn the ball over at least twice. I expect a tremendous effort from the Skins, but whether that translates into good football or not is unknown. I think we'll learn a lot about the team today.The worst thing is that it's not on TV here.

 

[TxBuckeye]

The worst thing is that it's not on TV here.

I just heard, first four drives, a grand total of seven yards. So count your blessings.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

The worst thing is that it's not on TV here.

I just heard, first four drives, a grand total of seven yards. So count your blessings.

If you go to extremeskins they usually post a link to a stream.

 

[dehaven123]

RG who?

 

[Todd Andrews]

This team has a lot of heart and a lot of momentum.

And finally enough skill to get it done.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Kinda funny that in one year the Skins went from having a bottom 5 QB situation to having:

A top ~5 starting QB

A top ~10 backup QB(possibly even better, too soon to tell)

A top ~3 3rd string QB(Rex is LOL as a starter but hes sick as a #3)

 

[thayman]

Kinda funny that in one year the Skins went from having a bottom 5 QB situation to having:A top ~5 starting QBA top ~10 backup QB(possibly even better, too soon to tell)A top ~3 3rd string QB(Rex is LOL as a starter but hes sick as a #3)

It will be interesting to see what happens this offseason, always seems some team gets a bit desperate and wants to trade for someone's backup. I like Cousins but wouldn't mind a decent draft pick for him.

 

[BassNBrew]

It [Cousins] was a total boned headed pick. Best case situation is that you trade him for a second in two years. If he doesn't play you haven;t even gotten the utility out of the pick to offset the declining time value. The only way he'll show up well is if you put developement time into him. Not real smart taking that time away from RG3 after you mortgaged the future for him.

1. Your team is terrible.2. In lieu of number one, there were starters available out there. The only way this pick makes sense is if you don't have faith in RG3.

Quotes from me in the Wash pre-season thread. I obviously could not have been more wrong about this pick. And despite losing to the Panthers in a horrible performance, you guys have a good team.Congrats on the win today and good luck during the dirve to make the playoffs or win the division.I did start Cousins in two fanduel leagues today.

 

[dehaven123]

RG who?

RG3andKC masterpiece (good, but not great sauce that doesn't cost a lot)

 

[dgreen]

Cousins really benefited from a very good game plan and a defense that was totally focused on the run. He looked like a completely different QB than against Atlanta when he played mostly in obvious passing situations and there was no threat of a run.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Cousins game is a testament to Kyle Shanahan being able to adapt. But he played really well within the system, which is exactly what we want. Cousins described it as "playing like a robot", and it works for us since he can't ad-lib like RG3. Love it.

I'd take a 2nd for him, but then again a good, young, cheap backup could prove priceless if RG3 is hurt again in the future.

 

[thayman]

Cousins game is a testament to Kyle Shanahan being able to adapt. But he played really well within the system, which is exactly what we want. Cousins described it as "playing like a robot", and it works for us since he can't ad-lib like RG3. Love it.I'd take a 2nd for him, but then again a good, young, cheap backup could prove priceless if RG3 is hurt again in the future.

If someone like JAX or Philly want to throw up a high pick then I'd take it. If the pick isn't in the top half of the 2nd than I think the insurance of having that cheap young backup is awesome.

 

[fatness]

The worst thing is that it's not on TV here.

I just heard, first four drives, a grand total of seven yards. So count your blessings.

If you go to extremeskins they usually post a link to a stream.

I was able to pick up the radio broadcast in one room. So I watched the Broncos destroy the Ravens in one room and muted the TV every now and then to check on the sound of the Skins game from the other room. It actually was quite enjoyable. It sounded like Washington totally dominated the second half. How long has it been since the Skins did that -- dominate second halves, win games late, sustain long drives, eat up clock when they had to? Right now football is fun again.

 

[Hang 10]

If somebody told me they would be in first place after the panthers game I would have punched them right in the face.

 

[fatness]

Cousins game is a testament to Kyle Shanahan being able to adapt.

I really have to take my hat off to Kyle. Since the middle of last season when he finally adapted his playcalling to what-the-players-on-the-field-do best instead of being so rigid, the offense has progressed steadily. He deserves credit for adapting and putting his ego aside for the benefit of the team.

 

[killing joke]

brandon weeden reminds me of jason campbell

big win today

holding richardson to 28 yards is huge

at least 3 terrible calls against, including a taunting call.

does the low interest ron pitts / mike martz called game come with fewer tv cameras too?

the review erasing the brown td run had no goal-line camera and it looked like the garcon trap review came from the 400 section.

 

[Marvelous]

Cousins game is a testament to Kyle Shanahan being able to adapt. But he played really well within the system, which is exactly what we want. Cousins described it as "playing like a robot", and it works for us since he can't ad-lib like RG3. Love it.I'd take a 2nd for him, but then again a good, young, cheap backup could prove priceless if RG3 is hurt again in the future.

All the talk of flipping Cousins for a 2nd round pick is crazy talk. A backup QB is a valueable position. And Cousins, a 4th round pick, will be a dirt cheap backup for 3 more years. If he can play, keep him as a backup for a couple of years and then trade him for a 1st rounder or more.

 

[thayman]

Cousins game is a testament to Kyle Shanahan being able to adapt. But he played really well within the system, which is exactly what we want. Cousins described it as "playing like a robot", and it works for us since he can't ad-lib like RG3. Love it.I'd take a 2nd for him, but then again a good, young, cheap backup could prove priceless if RG3 is hurt again in the future.

All the talk of flipping Cousins for a 2nd round pick is crazy talk. A backup QB is a valueable position. And Cousins, a 4th round pick, will be a dirt cheap backup for 3 more years. If he can play, keep him as a backup for a couple of years and then trade him for a 1st rounder or more.

I think you keep him, unless you get a desperate team willing to throw something to good to be true up. The Redskins are in desperate need of draft picks so if something looks like it might be possible they'd be foolish to not entertain it.

 

[fatness]

All the talk of flipping Cousins for a 2nd round pick is crazy talk. A backup QB is a valueable position. And Cousins, a 4th round pick, will be a dirt cheap backup for 3 more years. If he can play, keep him as a backup for a couple of years and then trade him for a 1st rounder or more.

I agree with you. And as further evidence that it's crazy talk, trading Cousins for a 1st rounder this year was talked about on radio today by Vinnie Cerrato.I rest my case.

 

[Sebowski]

brandon weeden reminds me of jason campbellbig win todayholding richardson to 28 yards is hugeat least 3 terrible calls against, including a taunting call.does the low interest ron pitts / mike martz called game come with fewer tv cameras too? the review erasing the brown td run had no goal-line camera and it looked like the garcon trap review came from the 400 section.

I don't know what was worse; the calls or those announcers. Martz compared Cousins to Terry Bradshaw TWICE!Garcon spins the ball after almost every catch. Santana has been doing it for years. I've never seen that flagged ever.

 

[Sebowski]

brandon weeden reminds me of jason campbellbig win todayholding richardson to 28 yards is hugeat least 3 terrible calls against, including a taunting call.does the low interest ron pitts / mike martz called game come with fewer tv cameras too? the review erasing the brown td run had no goal-line camera and it looked like the garcon trap review came from the 400 section.

I don't know what was worse; the calls or those announcers. Martz compared Cousins to Terry Bradshaw TWICE!Garcon spins the ball after almost every catch. Santana has been doing it for years. I've never seen that flagged ever.