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***Official 2013 Chicago Bears Thread*** (2 Viewers)
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flapgreen
Footballguy
Jay hurt pretty bad
twistd
Footballguy
The only reason they would consider doing that is if they in fact thought that Shea was a better OLB in a 3-4 than a down lineman in a 4-3. But I don't think that moving Shea to an OLB position in a 3-4 is suddenly going to turn him in to a stud. He might be a little better at OLB in a 3-4, but certainly not enough to change your defense to accommodate him.
I think Paea and Melton are better tackles than ends. So if you switched to a 3-4 you are really playing them out of position. And I am not convinced that the Bears resign Melton. He is going to want huge money. I think they are much more likely to commit the money to Cutler than throwing a big contract at Melton.
I just don't see that a switch to a 3-4 defense makes much sense. I think they would be more likely to try to trade Shea to a 3-4 team than switch to a 3-4 themselves.
twistd
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KCitons
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KCitons
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Michael C. Wright @mikecwright6s
Expect some moves today. Some folks saying goodbyes in the locker room.
Interesting day.
Expect some moves today. Some folks saying goodbyes in the locker room.
Interesting day.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
If you told me before the game that Chicago averages over 6 yards per carry, gets a Hester return TD, and puts 41 points on the board I'm thrilled. Oops.
Nervous about the timeline on Cutler, any more than 4 weeks and 2013 is over, just a matter of how high they draft in 2014. Sucks to lose Williams and Briggs, but it's not a bad consolation prize to have Bostic and Greene getting experience on the field.
I expected the D to regress this year but not this much. I honestly have no clue how much is Tucker and how much is age/injuries. Still like Peppers but it's tough getting doubled constantly. I don't see how they bring him back next year, his salary/cap hit is just too much.
Even if the season is over I'm still looking forward to watching Emery work his magic. He orchestrated a ridiculoulsy effective overhaul of the offense in 2 short years, I expect the defense will get a similar treatment.
Nervous about the timeline on Cutler, any more than 4 weeks and 2013 is over, just a matter of how high they draft in 2014. Sucks to lose Williams and Briggs, but it's not a bad consolation prize to have Bostic and Greene getting experience on the field.
I expected the D to regress this year but not this much. I honestly have no clue how much is Tucker and how much is age/injuries. Still like Peppers but it's tough getting doubled constantly. I don't see how they bring him back next year, his salary/cap hit is just too much.
Even if the season is over I'm still looking forward to watching Emery work his magic. He orchestrated a ridiculoulsy effective overhaul of the offense in 2 short years, I expect the defense will get a similar treatment.
RBM
Footballguy
Nobody wants Shea. And I'm not sure how Melton is going to get big money after missing virtually the whole year. Scheme never really mattered to me so I don't care either way. Just have a feeling Emery is going to push it because of Shea, and it's not a stretch at all to put Paea, Melton and maybe Wooten at DE; I'm sure Trestman doesn't care.
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Statcruncher
Footballguy
I'm hopeful that Emery is smart enough to not compound the mistake of picking Shea by trying to adjust the defense to the bust. Seeing what happens with Shea will be really telling about how Emery perceives/deals with his own mistakes. I'm hoping he works out a deal that sends him to the Cubs.
RBM
Footballguy
There really is no player holding us to a 4-3. Peppers will be gone and we are going to need wholesale changes either way. Almost like having a blank canvas here.The mistake of Shea was playing him at a position he's not suited for. We really have no idea if he's just a complete waste yet. Every glowing review of him coming into that draft was in the vein of being an OLB in a 3-4.
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flapgreen
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Zach Zaidman @ZachZaidman 58s
#Bears say Jay Cutler tore groin muscle. Out at least 4 weeks. Lance Briggs is out around six weeks with a shoulder injury.
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#Bears say Jay Cutler tore groin muscle. Out at least 4 weeks. Lance Briggs is out around six weeks with a shoulder injury.
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RBM
Footballguy
RBM
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DoubleG
Footballguy
Kinda surprised that Shea and Conte didn't accidentally run into one another taking each other out of the game.
DoubleG
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twistd
Footballguy
I think GMs get players wrong. He missed on Shea, and he missed on Rodriguez. He's bound to make mistakes. But he has hit on some good ones. Jeffrey looks good. The returns on Kyle Long are really good so far. No one, including Emery, expected Jordan Mills to be starting as a rookie. The Slauson pick up looks good. The Bennett signing looks good. And I think the selection of Trestman as the coach looks smart. It looks like he is a better fit than Arians would have been. So Emery has done a good job. Next year he will have the challenge of retooling the defense.RBM said:
Statcruncher
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RBM
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RBM
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Calm down. How annoying that you have to rush to his defense. He blew it with Shea and should get slammed for it. Doesn't mean he's done a bad job overall. However that was a huge pick where we had a huge need and it's a big reason our defense is a complete wreck.
twistd
Footballguy
I agree with that. The team desperately needs a pass rusher right now. With Peppers fading, Melton out, and Shea a bust the cupboard is bare. You can never have enough pass rushers. Actually, the secondary might not look this bad if they had a pass rush, although Conte and Wright would still suck. You can't cover that up.
I suppose some of the defense of Emery is I have to keep reminding myself that he is doing okay. Last year we were all screaming for help on the o-line and the Bears did nothing. So Emery must have felt that things were going to be fine there. If he realized the severity of the problem he would have done something to address it. He didn't. And this year to go in to the season with three DTs wasn't very smart. Then you have a perfect storm where two are out and the third is dinged, suddenly you can't stop anyone. And it appears that once again this is a problem that can't be remedied until next year frustrates me.
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RBM
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What pisses me off the most is that every scouting report of the guy said OLB in a 3-4 and yet he, I assume out of either arrogance or inept scouting, decides to draft him as a 4-3 DE.
Not the time or spot to be taking risks like that imo. Although he did the same this year and looks great. What the hell do I know.
Not the time or spot to be taking risks like that imo. Although he did the same this year and looks great. What the hell do I know.
twistd
Footballguy
That happens a lot where a team drafts some guy who was a 4-3 DE and they want to convert him to a 3-4 OLB, or vice versa. You are right that it is iffy when you take a player like that in the first round. Occasionally they draft a guy who is just an icredible athlete and hope they can develop him. You are a genius when it works and a goat when it doesn't.
flapgreen
Footballguy
There a couple of us around that said them same thing and got hammered for it. Moronic pick for sure. Hard to win when you keep blowing first round picks. Guy has a tough time cracking the starting lineup even with multiple injuries to the line. I'm pretty sure I saw Urlacher say today that Shea would be better at lb.
-X-
Footballguy
It's time they activate Corny Washington and turn the kid loose. I see no attacking of gaps going on, just guys getting engulfed and not disengaging from blocks soon enough. It's like their strength and conditioning went out the window. Lethargic, non-explosive, loafs galore and no heart.
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Statcruncher
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There was a time that Scheffler would have been great to have on the roster, but I think that time has passed. Most of the reports indicate that he was released due to multiple concussions and dropping balls. Doesn't sound good to me.
The Tick
Footballguy
That and we have so little money left for the year, i'd rather hold on to it in case things get wose on D and we need to sign a body than to add depth to the TE position.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Writers are saying 4 is more a PR thing and that it is more than likely 6 or more
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The Tick
Footballguy
Man, this cutler injury is strange. He is talking about how this was his most painful injuy ever, but during the press conference today they wouldn't even rule him out for monday's game after last week talking about a hard 4 week plus timeframe. They also won't be very specific on anything. He's not practicing, but he's out there with the team catching balls from the other QB's?
As of now looks like we have him back for the Lions. So that's great.
I honestly wonder if this was something besides a groin muscle tear.
As of now looks like we have him back for the Lions. So that's great.
I honestly wonder if this was something besides a groin muscle tear.
RBM
Footballguy
The Tick
Footballguy
Don't see anything no to like about this, no long term risk, could help with a playoff push if we can start getting any pressure on the QB. If he works out it could push Wooten back to end and get Shae off the field and that has to help some too.Ratliff signed. Best available?
I'm pretty happy with this, they haven't given up for the year and are doing what they can to patch a broken as hell D.
