skol asylum
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Kluwe seems like he loves being a victim. Why did it take so long for these specific allegations to come out. If Prefer didn't say these things he should sue Kluwe for defamation of character.
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***OFFICIAL*** 2013 MINNESOTA VIKINGS SEASON THREAD (2 Viewers)
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Maelstrom
Footballguy
This was an interesting read on breaking down QBs before the draft (bleacher report, but still, decent article).
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1632018-how-do-scouts-break-down-nfl-quarterback-prospects
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FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
After watching last night - Mosley would look very good in purple!! (Although the other CJ is not on the roster anymore.)
ebsteelers
Footballguy
so hes been off the vikings for a year.. got cut by another team.. and now a year later he still has butt hurt from the vikings... take a walk dude, your a punter
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I forgot they traded him to the Jets for a pack of used gum.
Beo
Footballguy
Been looking at mock drafts and reading a ton of scouting reports online today and have come to the conclusion that we need to come away with one of these following players in the 1st Round: Teddy Bridgewater, Johnny Manziel, Jadaveon Clowney, Anthony Barr, or Darqueze Dennard. The first 4 we would need to trade up for I believe and Dennard we could get at 8 unless the comparisons to him and Revis start getting louder and louder. If we cant get Bridgewater or Manziel than I would prefer just going with a Boyd, Mettenberger, or Murray type of QB with one of our 3rd round picks.
Maelstrom
Footballguy
One thing Spielman has not been afraid to do is move up to get his guy. And they are focused on QB this year, for better or worse. It's been mentioned in press conferences, interviews, all over. Add in that both HOU and StL (WASH pick) have said publicly they are willing to entertain trade offers, I wouldn't be surprised to see something happen if the Vikes decides they really want Bridgewater or Manziel. They have an extra 3rd, wonder if a 1, 2 and 3 would be enough for the #2 spot? Probably not, even though it shows equal on a draft calc, given the 2 future #1s plus that Wash gave up for RG3 a couple years ago. What would be a realistic trade offer for the #2 spot?
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Donnybrook
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snogger
Footballguy
Not really sure we are built for a 3-4.. Going to need a lot better LB's then
Henderson..But I LOVE the bold part.. Tampa 2 had it's days, but they are over now.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Anyone have a "feel" on who the next coach might be?? I actually like the fact that they are taking their time, but not sure what direction they are going. As an OU fan, I wouldn't mind them bringing in Stoops - I really like his aggressive attitude but have only seen him linked to the Browns.
Maelstrom
Footballguy
I think Zimmer, Bevell and Gase are distinct possibilities, with Del Rio and Jay Gruden rumored to be in the mix. The biggest reason they have been taking their time is because they likely want to at least entertain one of the coaches from a current playoff team.
There is a really good thread being fairly regularly updated with news:
https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesotavikings/comments/1u2vvo/rumored_and_confirmed_candidates_for_vikings_head/
I'll post it here but not going to keep updating it:
Maelstrom
Footballguy
Actually, if the Vikes are ever going to think about 4-3, right now is really the time to think about it. Their DLine is the thinnest it's been in years, and LBs are a mess. Between the draft and FA, they need to fill those holes anyways, so they could fill them with 3-4 guys instead of 4-3 guys. And as that article points out, quite a few of the Viking defenders have at least some experience in the 3-4 or could play a part in it.Not really sure we are built for a 3-4.. Going to need a lot better LB's then
But I LOVE the bold part.. Tampa 2 had it's days, but they are over now.
Herb
Footballguy
No links between Vikes and Stoops that I know of. Doesn't seem like the type of situation a guy like Stoops would come into. Too much uncertainty. I would think that with his resume he could afford to be very picky if he decided he wanted to move to the NFL.
Love Zimmer, Bowles and Horton as choices. Especially Horton. Quinn seems like he may need a bit more seasoning before becoming HC. Definitely do not like Bevell, Del Rio or Gruden for various reasons. Where's Whisenhunt, dammit? That dude took the freakin Cardinals to the Super Bowl! I know they had Warner, but aside from him and Fitz, that team was pretty average.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
According to Adam Schefter, UCLA QB Brett Hundley, viewed as a potential top-10 pick, plans to return to school for senior season, per sources. Announcement this week.
So it must be time to get familiar with the second tier prospects ie Brett Smith, Jimmy Garoppolo etc. There could be a diamond in the rough.
So it must be time to get familiar with the second tier prospects ie Brett Smith, Jimmy Garoppolo etc. There could be a diamond in the rough.
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sports_fan
Footballguy
Has Musgrave been fired yet?
Jobber
Footballguy
Good question.
I'm praying the only reason he hasn't been fired is to allow the new head coach to hand pick his staff. He can make the decision at that time. I hope. Musgrave completely sucks as an OC. He literally has the same number of plays as we had in Super Tecmo Bowl. With a 10% change the defense calls the play which results in a sack.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
The Vikings and several other teams including Washington have requested permission to interview Jay Gruden.
I don't know much about him besides him being John's brother. From my limited exposure, I thought the Bengals chose to pass in many running situations. So that is not very good.
As for the Vikings QBs, I would take Brett Smith over Derek Carr. Brett Smith poise and pocket presense is excellent. He reminds me of Arron Rodgers in that department.
I don't know much about him besides him being John's brother. From my limited exposure, I thought the Bengals chose to pass in many running situations. So that is not very good.
As for the Vikings QBs, I would take Brett Smith over Derek Carr. Brett Smith poise and pocket presense is excellent. He reminds me of Arron Rodgers in that department.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
All I need to know about Jay Gruden I saw yesterday.
Down by 10 at the 50 yard line and you have a 4th and 3 and you call a deep flag pattern. Nice job.
Down by 10 at the 50 yard line and you have a 4th and 3 and you call a deep flag pattern. Nice job.
Beo
Footballguy
Ok so let's say we get a coach and a D coordinator that want us to switch to a 3-4 defense. We re-sign Griffen and Evans but let Kevin Williams and Jared Allen walk and cut Erin Henderson and Letroy Guion. Before free agency and the draft what does our starting front 7 look like and what do we need to address first to run this Defense effectively? Would it be LDE Robison, NT Evans, RDE Floyd, LOLB Greenway, MLB Cole, MLB Mauti, ROLB Griffen?
Maelstrom
Footballguy
Maelstrom
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/NFL_DraftGuru/status/420289907626500097
This is what a buddy of mine that knows football way better than I do had to say about Jackson at OC:
And from the same guy:
Zimmer would very possibly bring Hue Jackson (Bengals RB coach) as OC, what little I know of him is good, particularly in the creativity and using a stud RB effectively. That would probably mean sticking with a 4-3 DF though, his DF in Cinci is 4-3, a very aggressive and attacking DF.
This is what a buddy of mine that knows football way better than I do had to say about Jackson at OC:
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Beo
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Was hoping for an offensive mind like Whisenhunt or Gase but I like Zimmer's intensity and work ethic enough that I wouldnt mind this. Even though he is hard on his players they seemed to love him on Hard Knocks and really put out alot of effort for him.
skol asylum
Footballguy
Not sure if Spielman could handle a guy like Zimmer telling him to go f himself.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
I am a fan of Bowles and think he would be good for the organization.
Highlander
Footballguy
I get it tho. CPatt is our hope for the future.
sports_fan
Footballguy
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
The more I think about it, I think they should draft Mosley and then pick up Mettenberger or Boyd later.
snogger
Footballguy
Pretty close to what I posted in the 2014 NFL Draft thread..
Quez, on 06 Jan 2014 - 3:03 PM, said:
Freeman's gone.. Wouldn't mind Cassell being resigned to play mentor/possibly start the season as the starter while a rookie learns..Donnybrook, on 06 Jan 2014 - 2:42 PM, said:
Most people think Watkins may not be available at 8. Vikings fans may just need to accept another year of Ponder/Cassel/Freeman
The only way I don't see the Vikings drafting a QB in the 1st round is if Bridgewater, Manziel, Bortles & Carr are gone.
If that happens, then I could see them trade down, get some extra picks.
Possibly "reach" for Mettenberger later in the 3rd or 4th round.. Up until he blew out his knee many thought he was a late 1st to early 2nd round pick.
Maelstrom
Footballguy
Some Cinci Twitter account proclaiming to be associated with ESPN (most likely not, and not going to link to it to give them any more eyeballs) said Zimmer was requiring full player personnel control to take the job.
Personally, I really doubt this report, but if true, I really doubt Spielman (or the Wilf's) would go for this. They felt like they got burned big when they did the GM by committee a few years back, and that led directly to Spielman being in charge starting 2 years ago. I don't think they take that away from him that quickly for a guy who's never been a head coach and never made those kind of personnel decisions. Most likely some Cinci fan trying to do what they can to try to keep Zimmer around.
Herb
Footballguy
So Gruden takes the Skins job before he comes to MN for an interview. IMO that is a very good thing. He did nothing for me as a candidate. So far I'm very excited about the process they've gone through in vetting all these different candidates. I think the right guy is going to get the job. Just not sure who that is yet.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
I've heard that Bowles and Zimmer are at the top of the list right now.
BigJim®
Footballguy
I was higher on Whisenhunt before watching the Chargers today. What a weak offensive gameplan for a team that should have been firing away. Seemed like he waited until the 4th quarter to let the Charger offense air it out. I get that they relied heavily on Matthews later in the season, but they didn't have him, and needed to adapt. I really don't like the type of coach who picks the worst time to go into an overly conservative shell. Passing for 60 yards through 3 quarters and 170 in the 4th pretty much screams bad coaching.
snogger
Footballguy
Was disappointed they didn't open it up a bit more, but it made sense, at least for the first half.. You want to do all you can to keep Manning off the field. It's basically how they won a few weeks back, when they controlled the clock 38+ minutes to Bronco's 21 minutes.BigJim® said:
Still think the job is Zimmer's to lose and word has it he is returning today or tomorrow for a 2nd interview.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Yeah, but they didn't have Matthews, and it didn't keep Manning off the field. That's the point.Was disappointed they didn't open it up a bit more, but it made sense, at least for the first half.. You want to do all you can to keep Manning off the field. It's basically how they won a few weeks back, when they controlled the clock 38+ minutes to Bronco's 21 minutes.BigJim® said:
Still think the job is Zimmer's to lose and word has it he is returning today or tomorrow for a 2nd interview.
Maelstrom
Footballguy
Lots of tweets today that the Vikes are in the process of exploring the contract already, but that could just be making sure they are in the same ballpark. Was also a report that Zimmer might keep Musgrave on as OC, but I am hoping that was pure speculation. Waiting until I hear it announced to really believe anything being said.Was disappointed they didn't open it up a bit more, but it made sense, at least for the first half.. You want to do all you can to keep Manning off the field. It's basically how they won a few weeks back, when they controlled the clock 38+ minutes to Bronco's 21 minutes.BigJim® said:
Still think the job is Zimmer's to lose and word has it he is returning today or tomorrow for a 2nd interview.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
cheese
Footballguy
I bet that is an exaggeration, but as you know there is no GM in Cincy and Lewis/Zimmer have handpicked their defensive guys for years. He probably had more personnel say than any coordinator in the NFL. I would assume he wants at least some say in bringing in his guys.
Beo
Footballguy
Yeah I am really starting to warm up to the idea of bringing in Zimmer. I at first wanted an offensive minded coach but as badly as we need a QB it is our Defense that is putrid and needs to be worked on badly. If we cant get our hands on Johnny Manziel I am really hoping we go all Defense in this upcoming draft and just put off our future QB search until next year and just go Cassel again this year. A couple good free agent signings on Defense with the money we have opened up by letting Allen and a couple free agents walk and some more good young defensive prospects in the draft this year to go along with Floyd, Rhodes, Smith, and Griffen (99% sure will re-sign) would give Zimmer a good building block for the future. Then we focus on QB next year with the likes of Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Brett Hundley, Bryce Petty, Sean Mannion and maybe even Connor Cook.
Beo
Footballguy
My "All Defensive Draft" wish list
1) CB Darqueze Dennard
2) DE Trent Murphy
3) DT Aaron Donald
3) CB Aaron Colvin
3) NT Daniel McCullers
4) SS Ahmad Dixon
5) OLB Boseko Lokumbo
6) CB Stanley Jean-Baptiste
7) OLB Christian Kirksey
In this mock I added a 3rd round compensatory pick for the loss of Jared Allen. An infusion of young talent to both our D-line and Secondary and a couple backup LB's to replace Mitchell and Bishop. Darqueze Dennard's attitude and tough man coverage is exactly what we need across from Rhodes and Dixon pairing with Harrison Smith gives us a real young solid Secondary. I love both Murphy and Donald. Donald reminds me so much of John Randle in both stature and motor. He is a gem that will be passed on a bit because of his size. McCullers is a big body for the middle of our line that we need. If Zimmer is the coach and pairing a couple pieces we already have plus young players like these we can get back to the kind of Defense we used to be in the past. Fix Defense this year with a strong draft and maybe 2 free agents and then trade whatever picks we need to next year to get up and get Winston or Mariota for our QB of the future is the way I would go to try and rebuild this team into a perennial contender.
1) CB Darqueze Dennard
2) DE Trent Murphy
3) DT Aaron Donald
3) CB Aaron Colvin
3) NT Daniel McCullers
4) SS Ahmad Dixon
5) OLB Boseko Lokumbo
6) CB Stanley Jean-Baptiste
7) OLB Christian Kirksey
In this mock I added a 3rd round compensatory pick for the loss of Jared Allen. An infusion of young talent to both our D-line and Secondary and a couple backup LB's to replace Mitchell and Bishop. Darqueze Dennard's attitude and tough man coverage is exactly what we need across from Rhodes and Dixon pairing with Harrison Smith gives us a real young solid Secondary. I love both Murphy and Donald. Donald reminds me so much of John Randle in both stature and motor. He is a gem that will be passed on a bit because of his size. McCullers is a big body for the middle of our line that we need. If Zimmer is the coach and pairing a couple pieces we already have plus young players like these we can get back to the kind of Defense we used to be in the past. Fix Defense this year with a strong draft and maybe 2 free agents and then trade whatever picks we need to next year to get up and get Winston or Mariota for our QB of the future is the way I would go to try and rebuild this team into a perennial contender.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I've gotta agree with QuizGuy.
Zimmer is loooooooooong overdue to be an NFL head coach.
The only thing that has been holding him back is he's too honest and a bit abrasive to the front office and muckity-muck types but I think he'd be a hell of a head coach.
If you guys get him I think he's going to exceed expectations.
Jobber
Footballguy
I hope this second interview (today?) is where the Vikings actually hire Zimmer. I don't want to miss out on a good coach by being overly cautious. Only to have Detroit or someone else snipe him from us.I've gotta agree with QuizGuy.
Zimmer is loooooooooong overdue to be an NFL head coach.
The only thing that has been holding him back is he's too honest and a bit abrasive to the front office and muckity-muck types but I think he'd be a hell of a head coach.
If you guys get him I think he's going to exceed expectations.
snogger
Footballguy
It will come down to Speilman, and the Wilf's for that mater, leaving their egos at the door and realize this guy is not a brown noser and is going to coach the way he feels will make the team better.I hope this second interview (today?) is where the Vikings actually hire Zimmer. I don't want to miss out on a good coach by being overly cautious. Only to have Detroit or someone else snipe him from us.I've gotta agree with QuizGuy.
Zimmer is loooooooooong overdue to be an NFL head coach.
The only thing that has been holding him back is he's too honest and a bit abrasive to the front office and muckity-muck types but I think he'd be a hell of a head coach.
If you guys get him I think he's going to exceed expectations.
If they want a "yes" man then they should have stuck with Fraizer, otherwise you are correct, he should be hired before he leaves town.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Do they really think someone better is going to walk through the door?
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