Fluker has been fantastic as a run-blocker in both games so far.
He needs a lot of work as a pass-blocker. It looks to me like he holds a lot (but it hasn't been called yet).
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He needs a lot of work as a pass-blocker. It looks to me like he holds a lot (but it hasn't been called yet).
Tau837
Footballguy
IMO as of today they take Clowney and stick with Rivers. But odds are that by the time of the draft some other contender for the #1 pick will emerge besides Clowney and Bridgewater.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Make that Mike Willie. Oof.
Any word on how Butler has played? I really liked him coming out of college.
cstu
Footballguy
Deon Butler? He should probably be ahead of Robert Meachem on the depth chart, IMO (not sure the Chargers agree), but that still leaves him unlikely to make the final 53.
Donald Butler will have a breakout season.
Not if they can get Clowney. If the Chargers front office does all of their college scouting by watching YouTube highlights the same way I do, there's no way they'd be able to pass on Clowney. Dude is just amazing.
cstu
Footballguy
I agree, he's the best DE I've seen since Kearse...and I think Clowney is better. I'm convinced that Clowney will be a Pro Bowl player (and probably All Pro) but the Bolts need help all over. I don't think Clowney makes them a contender and if the plan is to stick with Rivers how much time does he have left?
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I'm on the same page as you with regard to Deon. Wasn't Donald's breakout season last year? The first few weeks of the season I thought there was buzz about Donald being an All-Pro. It's a shame so many people don't realize just how good Weddle and Donald Butler are playing.
I Love Your Fantasy Team
Footballguy
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Good for Telesco! I'm a fan of Marshalls flexibility as a nickel/CB/S and he was probably only cut because of his contract in MIA. With Williams already out, Wright completely unproven, and Weddle the only viable safety on the roster and Marshall needing to find a situation where he can get playing time to earn a contract for next season this move seems like a slam-dunk from every angle.....
"(Rotoworld) Free agent CB Richard Marshall is visiting the Chargers on Thursday. Analysis: Marshall, 28, was released by the Dolphins on Tuesday. The Bolts have one of the shallowest cornerback depth charts in the league, so Marshall would be a welcomed addition as a potential nickel back in San Diego. The Chargers lost fifth-round CB Steve Williams to a torn pectoral last week.
"(Rotoworld) Free agent CB Richard Marshall is visiting the Chargers on Thursday. Analysis: Marshall, 28, was released by the Dolphins on Tuesday. The Bolts have one of the shallowest cornerback depth charts in the league, so Marshall would be a welcomed addition as a potential nickel back in San Diego. The Chargers lost fifth-round CB Steve Williams to a torn pectoral last week.
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
Marshall makes a lot of sense. To begin with, I think he'll perform better in the nickel, where he's had some success before. He also already has a relationship with Ron Milus (his DB coach from carolina) and Wiz (his HC from zona, where he had his best year). God knows the Chargers need depth at corner after losing Stevie Williams, not to mention we are currently starting Johnny Patrick at the nickel (which I am sooooo scared of that happening in the regular season).
BoltzNBrew
Footballguy
1st cuts are in... http://www.chargers.com/news/article-1/Chargers-Trim-Roster-Release-10-Players/1f13441b-b9cc-4030-bd28-3afa63f8ecc2
The San Diego Chargers released 10 players on Sunday in the most significant roster deduction to date. The team must get down to 75 players by Tuesday and 53 by Friday.
The following players were let go:
“This is the bad part about the business,” he said. “We have 90 players who have worked extremely hard since the very beginning. It’s something you hate, because I personally have been in this position a number of times and have been cut a number of times. You work all your life for an opportunity. It’s not a fair business. Certain things come up… It’s the bad part of the business. We’ll have to say good-bye to some players and wish them well. You never know when you might bring them back, but I can’t thank them enough for doing a phenomenal job of buying-in and working extremely hard day-in and day-out.”
The San Diego Chargers released 10 players on Sunday in the most significant roster deduction to date. The team must get down to 75 players by Tuesday and 53 by Friday.
The following players were let go:
- Running Back Edwin Baker
- Center Colin Baxter
- Cornerback Greg Brown
- Safety Tony Burnett
- Wide Receiver Deon Butler
- Guard Brandyn Dombrowski
- Quarterback Nathan Enderle
- Punter Richard Kent
- Defensive Lineman Jamarkus McFarland
- Tight End Dallas Walker
“This is the bad part about the business,” he said. “We have 90 players who have worked extremely hard since the very beginning. It’s something you hate, because I personally have been in this position a number of times and have been cut a number of times. You work all your life for an opportunity. It’s not a fair business. Certain things come up… It’s the bad part of the business. We’ll have to say good-bye to some players and wish them well. You never know when you might bring them back, but I can’t thank them enough for doing a phenomenal job of buying-in and working extremely hard day-in and day-out.”
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I was kind of bummed to see Butler go, but never heard a good word about him so I guess it was inevitable. Good for the new regime recognizing the obvious limitations of Dombrowski/Baxter... how these guys stuck to the roster in the past is beyond me.
With this team criminally thin at OLB I wouldn't be surprised to see a late addition. This team can't afford to give up draft picks but if SF can't find a taker for Haralson then SD should give up a conditional pick for him. Johnson will only be a factor on run downs, Freeney may not be a factor on any down based on how he played last year in a 3-4, and English has been a factor on... a couple of downs in the years he's played in the league. Haralson or not, I can't help but think SD could land a starting OLB from the waiver wire this year.
With this team criminally thin at OLB I wouldn't be surprised to see a late addition. This team can't afford to give up draft picks but if SF can't find a taker for Haralson then SD should give up a conditional pick for him. Johnson will only be a factor on run downs, Freeney may not be a factor on any down based on how he played last year in a 3-4, and English has been a factor on... a couple of downs in the years he's played in the league. Haralson or not, I can't help but think SD could land a starting OLB from the waiver wire this year.
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
Freeney has played like a stud.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
At the very least the running game should be improved, which helps the play action. SD got a very good player here.
I wish my team would do something good for me to talk about.
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BoltBacker
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I guess Max Starks is now on the roster cut bubble. Him or Harris, I guess Dunlap has won the starting LT job.
Freeney did look good this weekend. But I have a hunch the Cardinals could be an awful team.
Ledarius looks like
, though I'd like to see him get some reps against 1st teamers - which isn't going to happen until the regular season now.
Freeney did look good this weekend. But I have a hunch the Cardinals could be an awful team.
Ledarius looks like
, though I'd like to see him get some reps against 1st teamers - which isn't going to happen until the regular season now.
With Mike Willie and Dan DePalma both being placed on IR, it looks like Meachem will probably make the team.
The Cardinals offensive line is much like the Chargers. They were probably the two worst lines in the league last season, and both have four new starters this year (with only the centers returning).
But Freeney looked like a stud against the Seahawks and Bears as well.
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
Game 4 was a train wreck. I wouldn't be surprised to see us pick up multiple cast offs. We are going to be cherry picking practice squads.
At my count, they had 4 starters in between offense and defense. What do you expect?
Observations:
-Green looked great again but he was pretty much the only bright spot.
-Three lineman tying to earn back up spots looked bad (Troutman, Harris, and especially Starks). The fact that the team took Starks off the line in the first half and replaced him with Becton does not bode well for Starks' chances to make the team.
-Fozzy Whitaker got the first attempt at kick returns which also makes me wonder if Goodman may be in danger which he should be,
-Meachum's concussion may give the team a way to IR him and open the spot since they are going to have to pay him anyways.
-A few guys I thought might have earned surprise roster spots in recent weeks due to special teams play and decent play while getting 2nd string time (like Jaheel Addae and Marcus Cromartie) made numerous blunders (multiple missed tackles, missed blocking assignment on a punt which led to Scifres getting killed). I have to imagine there will be 2-4 new faces on the roster in the next few weeks, especially once salaries aren't guaranteed.
-Sorenson made many more mistakes this week but since the offense line was a disaster, I still think he makes the team.
While I've actually been pleasantly surprised by the play of the first team offense and defense throughout the preseason, it remains clear that this team is sorely lacking in depth. While we don't know how much improved the team will be once guys like Teo and Marshall are inserted in the defense, it seems pretty clear that the team is going to have to avoid any major injuries to be competitive this year. I'm hopeful they'll at least be able to find a player or two from the scrap heap this weekend to help fortify the offensive and defensive lines.
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
The only bright spot last night was Green. They've got to work him into the regular game plan. Tutu made some nice grabs.
For the rest, there might be a couple of projects that could amount to something down the road, but for the most part these guys just don't look like NFL players. The contrast in talent level between the Chargers' depth and that of the 49ers and Seahawks was frightening. Granted those 2 are possibly the 2 most talented rosters in the league, but still. Fozzy ran o.k., I hope they hang on to him just for the name.
Also, I can't believe McCoy kept running Scifres out there after he got hurt. What was the ####### point of that?
If the 49ers cut that Chuck Jacobs WR guy, the Chargers should pick him up. He's small, but I liked what I saw skill wise. I'd rather take a chance on him than carry Royal or whoever.
For the rest, there might be a couple of projects that could amount to something down the road, but for the most part these guys just don't look like NFL players. The contrast in talent level between the Chargers' depth and that of the 49ers and Seahawks was frightening. Granted those 2 are possibly the 2 most talented rosters in the league, but still. Fozzy ran o.k., I hope they hang on to him just for the name.
Also, I can't believe McCoy kept running Scifres out there after he got hurt. What was the ####### point of that?
If the 49ers cut that Chuck Jacobs WR guy, the Chargers should pick him up. He's small, but I liked what I saw skill wise. I'd rather take a chance on him than carry Royal or whoever.
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
Yea our depth was a mess. Not that surprising how deep SF was with all the draft picks they had. They have a lot of talent that won't play on the roster.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I thought the Marshall pickup was excellent because of his flexibility and if the Antoine Winfield rumors are true I think SD should jump on that as well. While both Weddle/Cox are head and shoulders above the rest of the secondary you can't expect either to play every down of the entire season. Cox in particular has a history of missing games. After Weddle/Cox the cupboard is pretty thin in the secondary.
When there were trade rumors swirling around Earl Bennett I thought he might be a nice fit in this offense if CHI released him, though it sounds like they may keep him now. Any other roster bubble WR's from around the league that might fit the new offense well?
BTW, I realize I'm a bigger Meach fan than most but what exactly is the benefit of releasing him rather than placing him on the PUP list? There is no salary savings and worst case you have a guy that has at least practiced this offense all summer as a possible mid season replacement if(when?) SD receivers start getting injured when the season actually starts. I realize he's a bad fit for the offense but it makes no sense to release him unless you already have someone lined up to replace him that's better.
When there were trade rumors swirling around Earl Bennett I thought he might be a nice fit in this offense if CHI released him, though it sounds like they may keep him now. Any other roster bubble WR's from around the league that might fit the new offense well?
BTW, I realize I'm a bigger Meach fan than most but what exactly is the benefit of releasing him rather than placing him on the PUP list? There is no salary savings and worst case you have a guy that has at least practiced this offense all summer as a possible mid season replacement if(when?) SD receivers start getting injured when the season actually starts. I realize he's a bad fit for the offense but it makes no sense to release him unless you already have someone lined up to replace him that's better.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
They must want to use the spot on a younger guy/project and/or someone who can contribute on special teams. Either way, the cap hit this year isn't exactly going to cripple the Chargers' chances for success, so why waste more time with a guy you know isn't in your long term plans? I assume Meachem is getting cut since people here are talking that way, but I haven't seen official confirmation yet - anyone have a link?
BoltBacker
Footballguy
But if he's on the PUP list he's not taking a roster spot away from a younger guy. They may not need him now but the way the preseason went it's not inconceivable they lose a couple of WR's by the middle of the season and they just need guys familiar with the playbook to suit up as a reserve on Sundays.
I don't think Meachem can go on the PUP list because he practiced during training camp.
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Hmmmm, you may be right because the difference between the PUP list and IR is kind of blurred to me....
"During the preseason, the league also allows players with long-term, but not season-ending, injuries to be placed into one of two designations: physically unable to perform (PUP), for injuries sustained during the previous season or during training camp, or reserve/non-football injury, for injuries sustained outside of team or league activities (despite the name, this includes lingering injuries from college football play, should an injured player be drafted and join the team, as was the case with Willis McGahee). Both designations are functionally identical in that the player can be promoted to the active roster by week 6 of the regular season or placed on injured reserve. A team cannot cut an injured player from the payroll without negotiating an injury settlement with him.
Starting in 2012, the NFL and the NFLPA reached an agreement allowing one player placed on injured reserve to be brought back to the active roster.[3] Provided that the player was on the final 53-man preseason roster (A rule exempted for the 2012 season), and that the injury is deemed to keep this player unable to practice or play football for an estimated six weeks, the player may be allowed to practice after Week 6, and be activated to play after Week 8.[4]"
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I also wouldn't mind seeing the team pursue Dwyer, the guy I was hoping AJ would take late that year instead of moving up for Mathews. When Mathews gets hurt Dwyer/Woodhead seems like a decent tandem in the backfield.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
meachem cut
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Here's the 2013 53 man roster as of now. With pictures!
Fozzy made the cut, as did Sorensen. Addae is on board.
Receivers: Royal, Allen, Ajirotutu, Goodman, Floyd, Brown
TE: Phillips, Gates, Green
Fozzy made the cut, as did Sorensen. Addae is on board.
Receivers: Royal, Allen, Ajirotutu, Goodman, Floyd, Brown
TE: Phillips, Gates, Green
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
Goodman shouldn't feel safe. I don't think he survives the waiver wire additions.
I'd rather pick up Lavelle Hawkins or any number of other guys instead of keeping Goodman.
cstu
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Tau837
Footballguy
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I know Rodgers is tempting because of his age but wouldn't he just be a combination of a guy that doesn't fit the offense with an OL that can't block long enough to make him effective? I think they really need receivers with great hands that work well creating separation on short routes.
I still say they should bring in Tebow. If Rivers gets hurt the season is over anyway. I would actually give Tebow a couple of series each half even with a healthy Rivers. This offense is going to have trouble inside the ten yard line anyway with Rivers/Mathews turning the ball over, may as well go with Tebow and broken plays. He might be the best runner on the roster between the tackles. This is currently a franchise that can use any gimmick available. Tebow may not be able to throw very well... and the team has fewer and fewer people to throw to and nobody to block even if there were people to throw to. Sounds like a match made in heaven.
cstu
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Time tebow? Wf
Gr00vus
Footballguy
He does the special teams thing. I figure Royal or Tutu are closer to the unemployment line than Goodman. Personally I think Royal is the guy who should go.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Chargers trade for DL Sean Lissemore. Gave up a conditional 7th rounder. DL Scafe put on IR to make room. I guess Lissemore can play all 3 spots up front in the 3-4. ?excited?
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BoltBacker
Footballguy
It's much more exciting than his first trade imo. Depth and flexibility are two very good things.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Gr00vus - wrong again.
Fozzy will be returning kicks now that Goodman is gone. Rolling with 5 WRs on the roster - seems risky to me considering Floyd and Royal haven't exactly been titanium.
Some dudes added to the practice squad.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I think you are overlooking the mad genius of having a roster with depth so paper thin that anyone can easily be replaced using the waiver wire. SD actually has the deepest team in the league since they can all be replaced so easily. For instance they start 4 DB's and just picked up their 3rd most talented DB off the waiver wire.
In the end does it really matter? They aren't a contender this year and the only 2 WR's currently on the roster that will be on the roster next year are Brown/Allen. I still argue that if they are trying to win games now Tebow seems like the obvious backup QB given his history working with McCoy. But maybe cstu is right and they may as well just play for draft position if Rivers gets hurt. If that's the case why bother carrying a backup QB at all? I honestly think Novak could win SD as many games as Sorenson at QB behind that OL. Without Rivers this team would be hard to distinguish from the raiders on a black and white television.
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