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[Bracie Smathers]

Did this injury occur BEFORE or AFTER the Hawks traded for the D-Line depth?

I was wondering why Seattle would dish OG John Moffit, a young guy drafted in the third round and who was a proven starter, for an up-and-coming DE Brian Sanford from the Browns. That deal got nixed due to injury concerns by Cleveland but Seattle apparently made a deal that has stuck with Denver who was in much more dire need at the guard position.

If this injury occured PRIOR to that deal then Seattle knew of the injury and made a move to cement depth on the D-Line but if this is a new injury then they are in the same situation that forced the Moffit trade and would be in the market for a defensive lineman.

Seattle probably doesn't have any more depth at the OG position but Cleveland would likely be open to trading Sanford for a late round pick to use to acquire a guard from some othter team who has a surplus, err that would be dependent on the Seahawks still being in the market for defensive linemen so is this a new injury or is this just now being reported AFTER Seattle made the deal for the Denver defensive lineman?

http://local21news.com/sports/features/local-sports/stories/source-seahawks-hill-out-36-weeks-biceps-injury-241.shtml

Source: Seahawks' Hill out 3-6 weeks with biceps injuryUpdated: Wednesday, August 21 2013, 11:46 PM CDT
Posted by: Jason Bristol

HARRISBURG -- Seattle Seahawks rookie defensive tackle Jordan Hill, of Steelton, has a partially torn biceps muscle and will miss approximately 3-6 weeks of action, CBS 21 News Sports Director Jason Bristol has learned.

Hill's injury was believed to be much more serious, but an MRI taken was negative for a complete tear and he will not require surgery, according to a source with knowledge of the injury.

The Seahawks have yet to announce the injury. A team spokesman could not be reached for comment.

Bristol was the first to report Hill's injury via Twitter.

Hill, a graduate of Steel-High and Penn State, was selected by Seattle in the third round of the 2013 NFL draft.

Hill has been impressive in his first training camp. Seattle defensive coordinator Dan Quinn said Hill "jumped off the tape in terms of making some plays" in the team's preseason opener against San Diego, a 31-10 victory on August 8.

 

[Seatown Mofos]

I should not be as excited about a preseason game as I am for tonight's game, but I can't stop about tonight and what kind of could happen. I can't wait to see what type of atmosphere there will be and how hostile the crowd and maybe even some of the Packer players will be towards the Hawks. Biggest can't miss preseason game I can remember.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I should not be as excited about a preseason game as I am for tonight's game, but I can't stop about tonight and what kind of could happen. I can't wait to see what type of atmosphere there will be and how hostile the crowd and maybe even some of the Packer players will be towards the Hawks. Biggest can't miss preseason game I can remember.

I can't wait to see Golden Tate celebrate a TD tonight.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Did this injury occur BEFORE or AFTER the Hawks traded for the D-Line depth?

I was wondering why Seattle would dish OG John Moffit, a young guy drafted in the third round and who was a proven starter, for an up-and-coming DE Brian Sanford from the Browns.

Always Compete.... and he fell to 10th on the depth chart. They like Bailey and Bowie better making Moffitt expendable. Instead of just cutting him they decided to try to get some value and kick the tires on a guy that they feel fits their scheme.

 

[ImTheScientist]

With all that being said, I am not going to turn a blind eye to the fact that Carpenter seems like an injury risk. I don't know how good Irvin is when he is off PEDS, Moffit is gone, and Harper is probably not going to make the team.

I would rather have our 5-7 round picks washing out vs players picked 1-4.

You should evaluate other teams drafts. Hawks have been the best over the last 3 years.

Gotta link?

8 players from the past three drafts have made the pro-bowl or been first team all-pro after being drafted in the 5th round or later. Seattle is the only team to have multiple (3). The other five players are all from different teams. This was posted on twitter by a few different people. Davis Hsu or Danny Kelly I think. I will try to find a link if you must have it. It might have been 4th round and later as well.

EDIT: Found it. It was from Derek Stephens (draft scout with CBSSports.com)

# of Pro-bowlers or all-pro players drafted between rounds 3-5, over last 3 drafts: 8. Tm. Breakdown: SEA - 3; SF,NE,NO,CIN,KC - 1 ea.

I was wrong about the rounds. The three Seattle players were Chancellor, Wilson, and Sherman.

 

[Sabertooth]

Pro Bowls don't mean much anymore since most of your real studs get mystery injuries and pass on acting in it.

 

[Seatown Mofos]

I should not be as excited about a preseason game as I am for tonight's game, but I can't stop about tonight and what kind of could happen. I can't wait to see what type of atmosphere there will be and how hostile the crowd and maybe even some of the Packer players will be towards the Hawks. Biggest can't miss preseason game I can remember.

I can't wait to see Golden Tate celebrate a TD tonight.

I want to see him after he scores to run over to the replay booth, stick his head in there for a second then come out and signal touchdown!

What other ideas would be good for him to do if he scores? Not a Lambeau leap as he's already said he's not doing that.

 

[Hooper31]

Pro Bowls don't mean much anymore since most of your real studs get mystery injuries and pass on acting in it.

But they still retain their "probowl" status.

Is it really that hard for you to acknowledge that Seattle's brain trust has killed it over the past three years?

 

[ImTheScientist]

I want to see him after he scores to run over to the replay booth, stick his head in there for a second then come out and signal touchdown!

What other ideas would be good for him to do if he scores? Not a Lambeau leap as he's already said he's not doing that.

I want a team celebration w/ a few of the other guys reinacting the 2 refs call while one or two wrestling with Tate on the ground.

 

[sho nuff]

I should not be as excited about a preseason game as I am for tonight's game, but I can't stop about tonight and what kind of could happen. I can't wait to see what type of atmosphere there will be and how hostile the crowd and maybe even some of the Packer players will be towards the Hawks. Biggest can't miss preseason game I can remember.

Do you really think any of the Packer players care about a preseason game enough to be hostile because of last year?

Yeah...not likely.

 

[sho nuff]

Pro Bowls don't mean much anymore since most of your real studs get mystery injuries and pass on acting in it.

But they still retain their "probowl" status.

Is it really that hard for you to acknowledge that Seattle's brain trust has killed it over the past three years?

They have been great...no doubt. But pro-bowls these days are nearly meaningless at times. Not saying its the case for the Hawks players...but how many guys end up getting in that are 3rd or greater alternates because of injury or people just not going?

 

[Hooper31]

...but how many guys end up getting in that are 3rd or greater alternates because of injury or people just not going?

Good question. How many? Must be super common for players taken in rounds 3 through 5 over the past three years...or not. Piss on it as much as you like, but it doesn't change the fact that there has only been 8 and 3 were from Seattle.

 

[Seatown Mofos]

I should not be as excited about a preseason game as I am for tonight's game, but I can't stop about tonight and what kind of could happen. I can't wait to see what type of atmosphere there will be and how hostile the crowd and maybe even some of the Packer players will be towards the Hawks. Biggest can't miss preseason game I can remember.

Do you really think any of the Packer players care about a preseason game enough to be hostile because of last year?

Yeah...not likely.

Yeah I do. I think it bothers them a lot. Instead of going to San Francisco, they would have had homefield against Seattle I think, and felt they would have had a better chance of beating them at home instead of having to go on the road against the 49ers.

I do anticipate some chippyness (sp) at a minimum cause believe me, they haven't forgotten about last year and that call at all, no matter what they might say in the media.

 

[Junior McSpiffy]

...but how many guys end up getting in that are 3rd or greater alternates because of injury or people just not going?

Good question. How many? Must be super common for players taken in rounds 3 through 5 over the past three years...or not. Piss on it as much as you like, but it doesn't change the fact that there has only been 8 and 3 were from Seattle.

Which means.... what, exactly? Unless you are trying to help us win an obscure bar bet of some sort, please let us know where this is leading. Or is this another case of Squawk fan dropping highly-specified stats where they pare down the details to ones that favor them and then using that as evidence of some sort of inevitable superiority.

"There were eight players drafted in rounds three through five to have made the Pro Bowl blahdeedeeblah..." Seriously, when I read that, I heard Stuart Scott's voice in my head. Booyah.

 

[CapnJB]

Which means.... what, exactly?

Can you clarify if you think that drafting 3 pro-bowl players in three years that are picked in the 3rd-5th rounds is good or bad. Becuase if you think that's bad... then...???? If you think that's good... then Seahawks. *boggle*

 

[MaxThreshold]

...but how many guys end up getting in that are 3rd or greater alternates because of injury or people just not going?

Good question. How many? Must be super common for players taken in rounds 3 through 5 over the past three years...or not. Piss on it as much as you like, but it doesn't change the fact that there has only been 8 and 3 were from Seattle.

Which means.... what, exactly? Unless you are trying to help us win an obscure bar bet of some sort, please let us know where this is leading. Or is this another case of Squawk fan dropping highly-specified stats where they pare down the details to ones that favor them and then using that as evidence of some sort of inevitable superiority.

"There were eight players drafted in rounds three through five to have made the Pro Bowl blahdeedeeblah..." Seriously, when I read that, I heard Stuart Scott's voice in my head. Booyah.

 

[Man of Zen]

Which means.... what, exactly?

Can you clarify if you think that drafting 3 pro-bowl players in three years that are picked in the 3rd-5th rounds is good or bad. Becuase if you think that's bad... then...???? If you think that's good... then Seahawks. *boggle*

Doesn't mean much one way or another, other than that they outdrafted other bad teams.

Getting 3rd-5th rounders into the Pro Bowl first and foremost means you're getting 3rd-5th rounders into your starting lineup. Which means you had a lot of holes on your roster where bad players were playing.

No team that's traditionally good could possibly hope to "rank high" on such a list, because good teams don't draft guys in the middle rounds who have any chance of competing for starting positions.

A stat that says they had the most PB'ers from those rounds isn't the same as saying they drafted the best in those rounds. It's saying that of all the teams that drafted well in those rounds, they had the most opportunities to come in and make a difference.

Traditionally strong teams have the greatest number of rock-solid vets keeping talented youngsters from coming in and making a difference, while at the same time, those squads have the best history of drafting good talent consistently. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to discover ten years down the road that teams like the Pats, Niners, Ravens, Steelers, Giants, etc. all showed superior drafts to the Hawks over that spread, even in the middle rounds. We just won't know for a while, because the great athletes they selected often have trouble cracking the lineup.

None of this is to say anything negative about Seattle. It's just that those touting it as meaningful are missing several pieces to the logical puzzle.

It's good drafting, but doesn't really set them apart in anything but a trivia contest sort of way.

 

[sho nuff]

...but how many guys end up getting in that are 3rd or greater alternates because of injury or people just not going?

Good question. How many? Must be super common for players taken in rounds 3 through 5 over the past three years...or not. Piss on it as much as you like, but it doesn't change the fact that there has only been 8 and 3 were from Seattle.

Nice parsed quote so you can try and argue.

I did not piss on it if you read the whole quote.

 

[sho nuff]

I should not be as excited about a preseason game as I am for tonight's game, but I can't stop about tonight and what kind of could happen. I can't wait to see what type of atmosphere there will be and how hostile the crowd and maybe even some of the Packer players will be towards the Hawks. Biggest can't miss preseason game I can remember.

Do you really think any of the Packer players care about a preseason game enough to be hostile because of last year?

Yeah...not likely.

Yeah I do. I think it bothers them a lot. Instead of going to San Francisco, they would have had homefield against Seattle I think, and felt they would have had a better chance of beating them at home instead of having to go on the road against the 49ers.

I do anticipate some chippyness (sp) at a minimum cause believe me, they haven't forgotten about last year and that call at all, no matter what they might say in the media.

Seemed the Seahawks were very chippy...and one of the Packers that "retaliated' was not even on the team last year.

 

[EBF]

Definitely questioning Harper's roster chances after this game. He is way down the depth chart. He got a lot of minutes, but only one target on a hopeless play.

Disappointing because I'm trying to evaluate him, and they're not really making any effort to get him the ball.

Luke Willson is looking like a steal though.

 

[Junior McSpiffy]

Which means.... what, exactly?

Can you clarify if you think that drafting 3 pro-bowl players in three years that are picked in the 3rd-5th rounds is good or bad. Becuase if you think that's bad... then...???? If you think that's good... then Seahawks. *boggle*

Doesn't mean much one way or another, other than that they outdrafted other bad teams.

Getting 3rd-5th rounders into the Pro Bowl first and foremost means you're getting 3rd-5th rounders into your starting lineup. Which means you had a lot of holes on your roster where bad players were playing.

No team that's traditionally good could possibly hope to "rank high" on such a list, because good teams don't draft guys in the middle rounds who have any chance of competing for starting positions.

A stat that says they had the most PB'ers from those rounds isn't the same as saying they drafted the best in those rounds. It's saying that of all the teams that drafted well in those rounds, they had the most opportunities to come in and make a difference.

Traditionally strong teams have the greatest number of rock-solid vets keeping talented youngsters from coming in and making a difference, while at the same time, those squads have the best history of drafting good talent consistently. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to discover ten years down the road that teams like the Pats, Niners, Ravens, Steelers, Giants, etc. all showed superior drafts to the Hawks over that spread, even in the middle rounds. We just won't know for a while, because the great athletes they selected often have trouble cracking the lineup.

None of this is to say anything negative about Seattle. It's just that those touting it as meaningful are missing several pieces to the logical puzzle.

It's good drafting, but doesn't really set them apart in anything but a trivia contest sort of way.

That was just... just...

... excuse me. I think I have something in my eye....

 

[Hooper31]

Which team(s) has done the best with regard to the NFL draft over the past three years? Feel free to use the metric you think provides the most objective and fair evaluation.

 

[biju]

Which team(s) has done the best with regard to the NFL draft over the past three years? Feel free to use the metric you think provides the most objective and fair evaluation.

No way you get a real response here. Nobody is interested in stating their beliefs, just trying to tear us down. And we keep falling for it like we should give a ####.

 

[ImTheScientist]

3-0

another dominating performance. Showed the pack last year wasn't a fluke.

 

[Beerguzzler]

3-0

another dominating performance. Showed the pack last year wasn't a fluke.

Dominating? Hardly. You have shown that the Hawks have one of the deepest teams in the league. Your first team hasn't looked as great vs. other teams first teams.

 

[Sabertooth]

Pro Bowls don't mean much anymore since most of your real studs get mystery injuries and pass on acting in it.

But they still retain their "probowl" status.

Is it really that hard for you to acknowledge that Seattle's brain trust has killed it over the past three years?

What have the done? They won a couple playoff games. They appear to be in position to challenge for their division title. Which is great but hardly "killing it."

 

[Hooper31]

Pro Bowls don't mean much anymore since most of your real studs get mystery injuries and pass on acting in it.

But they still retain their "probowl" status.

Is it really that hard for you to acknowledge that Seattle's brain trust has killed it over the past three years?

What have the done? They won a couple playoff games. They appear to be in position to challenge for their division title. Which is great but hardly "killing it."

Which team(s) has done the best with regard to the NFL draft over the past three years? Feel free to use the metric you think provides the most objective and fair evaluation.

 

[sho nuff]

Which team(s) has done the best with regard to the NFL draft over the past three years? Feel free to use the metric you think provides the most objective and fair evaluation.

No way you get a real response here. Nobody is interested in stating their beliefs, just trying to tear us down. And we keep falling for it like we should give a ####.

Its not trying to tear you down...its just that you all have a few posters hell bent on puffing their chest out over everything.

And now you all get butthurt because people don't think probowls is a great metric (which has been said quite a bit on these boards before anything was ever brought up about the Seahawks).

 

[sho nuff]

3-0

another dominating performance. Showed the pack last year wasn't a fluke.

dominating.

Vince Young threw a TD on your team and moved the ball well.

 

[The Kerminator]

3-0

another dominating performance. Showed the pack last year wasn't a fluke.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Love all the packer fans that feel the need to come into the Hawks thread.

 

[The Kerminator]

Love all the packer fans that feel the need to come into the Hawks thread.

We come here for the comedy value.

Does that mean you'll be staying out of the Packers thread this year? How about the Packer game threads?

Thanks in advance. We appreciate it.

 

[sho nuff]

Love all the packer fans that feel the need to come into the Hawks thread.

Wait...who did the Hawks play last night and what was being discussed?

Psst...if you want only Hawks fans...go find a Hawks only board...

 

[Sarlakticacid]

Great info to be found in here.

Jolly good show chaps

Keep up the good work

Tally ho

 

[biju]

Love all the packer fans that feel the need to come into the Hawks thread.

We come here for the comedy value.

Does that mean you'll be staying out of the Packers thread this year? How about the Packer game threads?

Thanks in advance. We appreciate it.

No problem. I really don't have anything against the Packers--their just another team.

 

[biju]

Which team(s) has done the best with regard to the NFL draft over the past three years? Feel free to use the metric you think provides the most objective and fair evaluation.

No way you get a real response here. Nobody is interested in stating their beliefs, just trying to tear us down. And we keep falling for it like we should give a ####.

Its not trying to tear you down...its just that you all have a few posters hell bent on puffing their chest out over everything.

And now you all get butthurt because people don't think probowls is a great metric (which has been said quite a bit on these boards before anything was ever brought up about the Seahawks).

I'm not butthurt. I just said you wouldn't provide any statement, which you didn't. I'm not the one stating pro bowls mean anything either. I think if there's one thing that Seahawks fans get tired of is getting lumped together. I'm sure it's the way GB fans feel about you.

 

[Junior McSpiffy]

3-0

another dominating performance. Showed the pack last year wasn't a fluke.

It's only preseason, but you are trolling in mid-season form. You've got your name at the top of the MVT award voting. It's early, but still...

 

[The Kerminator]

Love all the packer fans that feel the need to come into the Hawks thread.

We come here for the comedy value.

Does that mean you'll be staying out of the Packers thread this year? How about the Packer game threads?

Thanks in advance. We appreciate it.

No problem. I really don't have anything against the Packers--their just another team.

Wasn't directed at you Biju. Just one Seahwaks fan in particular.

 

[sho nuff]

Which team(s) has done the best with regard to the NFL draft over the past three years? Feel free to use the metric you think provides the most objective and fair evaluation.

No way you get a real response here. Nobody is interested in stating their beliefs, just trying to tear us down. And we keep falling for it like we should give a ####.

Its not trying to tear you down...its just that you all have a few posters hell bent on puffing their chest out over everything.

And now you all get butthurt because people don't think probowls is a great metric (which has been said quite a bit on these boards before anything was ever brought up about the Seahawks).

I'm not butthurt. I just said you wouldn't provide any statement, which you didn't. I'm not the one stating pro bowls mean anything either. I think if there's one thing that Seahawks fans get tired of is getting lumped together. I'm sure it's the way GB fans feel about you.

Maybe they do...maybe they don't. I don't give a rat's behind if people get tired of me posting a lot.

And sorry...the "tearing us down" part sounds a whole lot like butthurt.

 

[biju]

Which team(s) has done the best with regard to the NFL draft over the past three years? Feel free to use the metric you think provides the most objective and fair evaluation.

No way you get a real response here. Nobody is interested in stating their beliefs, just trying to tear us down. And we keep falling for it like we should give a ####.

Its not trying to tear you down...its just that you all have a few posters hell bent on puffing their chest out over everything.

And now you all get butthurt because people don't think probowls is a great metric (which has been said quite a bit on these boards before anything was ever brought up about the Seahawks).

I'm not butthurt. I just said you wouldn't provide any statement, which you didn't. I'm not the one stating pro bowls mean anything either. I think if there's one thing that Seahawks fans get tired of is getting lumped together. I'm sure it's the way GB fans feel about you.

Maybe they do...maybe they don't. I don't give a rat's behind if people get tired of me posting a lot.

And sorry...the "tearing us down" part sounds a whole lot like butthurt.

Ok, well I don't really care so have fun with that. Feel free to keep on saying it too because in my mind you're only making yourself look silly. Now having said that, how about we move on to some actual football discussion?

 

[seahawk 17]

Thought I would throw in a actual football post for ####s and giggles.

The O-Line was a huge problem last night in the passing game, and Sweezy in particular was a hot mess.

Carry on.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Anyone have a link to C-Mikes one hand catch?

 

[Junior McSpiffy]

And sorry...the "tearing us down" part sounds a whole lot like butthurt.

Not "butthurt" so much as rampant validation-seeking. Never forget... they have a flagpole that tells them they're special.

 

[Man of Zen]

It's a weird phenomenon. You usually see this kind of persecution complex in fans of teams that have had genuine success. Not teams that have bootstrapped themselves up from terrible to somewhat-better-than-mediocre. That kind of fanbase is usually more grounded.

 

[Neofight]

It's a weird phenomenon. You usually see this kind of persecution complex in fans of teams that have had genuine success. Not teams that have bootstrapped themselves up from terrible to somewhat-better-than-mediocre. That kind of fanbase is usually more grounded.

What do you base this opinion on?

 

[Junior McSpiffy]

It's a weird phenomenon. You usually see this kind of persecution complex in fans of teams that have had genuine success. Not teams that have bootstrapped themselves up from terrible to somewhat-better-than-mediocre. That kind of fanbase is usually more grounded.

It gets me thinking back to when Matty Hass made his comment about how playing in the Pacific Northwest was like being in the Witness Protection Program. And it got me thinking of a chicken/egg. When he made that comment, was it because he picked up on the martyr complex of the Seattle fans and was giving them what they wanted, or did the fans hear him make the comment and go "You know what... he's right! People don't love us as much as they should!"

So which came first... Hass's comment, or the northwest martyr complex? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[sho nuff]

Which team(s) has done the best with regard to the NFL draft over the past three years? Feel free to use the metric you think provides the most objective and fair evaluation.

No way you get a real response here. Nobody is interested in stating their beliefs, just trying to tear us down. And we keep falling for it like we should give a ####.

Its not trying to tear you down...its just that you all have a few posters hell bent on puffing their chest out over everything.

And now you all get butthurt because people don't think probowls is a great metric (which has been said quite a bit on these boards before anything was ever brought up about the Seahawks).

I'm not butthurt. I just said you wouldn't provide any statement, which you didn't. I'm not the one stating pro bowls mean anything either. I think if there's one thing that Seahawks fans get tired of is getting lumped together. I'm sure it's the way GB fans feel about you.

Maybe they do...maybe they don't. I don't give a rat's behind if people get tired of me posting a lot.

And sorry...the "tearing us down" part sounds a whole lot like butthurt.

Ok, well I don't really care so have fun with that. Feel free to keep on saying it too because in my mind you're only making yourself look silly. Now having said that, how about we move on to some actual football discussion?

Fair enough.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Looks like we are headed for another 4-0 preseason! Raiders are an auto win.

That will be 8-0 in the last two years. Always comPETE my brothas.

 

[sho nuff]

Yay preseason...woooooooooo!

 

[ImTheScientist]

Yay preseason...woooooooooo!

It's a sign of great depth. A win is a win and I would always rather win than lose. Don't hate golden Tate.