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sho nuff
Footballguy
You call others clueless...but you call the INT that Matthews had fluky and talk about people "almost scoring".
Yeah...Cutler almost had another pick too if Tramon would have rolled the other way and ended with the ball on his belly or gotten his hand under it as he went tot he ground.
BTW...the Bears had a few freebies too (illegal hands to the face on Peppers...the light tough to Cutler's head called on that slide).
You have a very good offense...with a QB that can play as well as anyone (and nearly as bad as anyone) any given day.
Your D (like the Packers D) simply sucks.
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it was great to see the 7.5 minute drive to open the game... but to then give up a TD in 2 minutes... I knew i was in for a long day in the north end zone.
I couldnt figure out what the bears were trying to do on defense.... but i could tell the problem was there was ZERO pressure generated by the front 4, considering they were only on the field 23 minutes... that is inexcusible.
On the bright side from a fantasy perspective, i'm going to abandon any efforts to buy low on eddie lacy... indecisive, slow and missed more than a few holes because he was dancing in the backfield instead of running forward....
I couldnt figure out what the bears were trying to do on defense.... but i could tell the problem was there was ZERO pressure generated by the front 4, considering they were only on the field 23 minutes... that is inexcusible.
On the bright side from a fantasy perspective, i'm going to abandon any efforts to buy low on eddie lacy... indecisive, slow and missed more than a few holes because he was dancing in the backfield instead of running forward....
The Tick
Footballguy
I haven't caught up yet, was to disgusted to talk football after that yesterday, so I'm sure what I'll say has already been said, but here it goes.
That first half offense was pretty awesome to watch, a couple of small mistakes in there, drops, some slight overthrows, but it was great to see that we were in a shootout and responding to it. However, that could have been one of the worst managed 1 minute drives that I have ever seen. Why in the hell was the plan for the first play to run then take a time out?????? Get back to the line, spike it, do something. Run and plan to blow that first time out is just not an acceptable way to start out. Just having one more TO would have made that drive worth something. It looked great and needed to end in points, not a disappointing first and 1 at the goal line watching time expire.
Second half offense, I don't know what the F that was. Don't know if I've ever seen a team just come out that badly after such a great first half. I'm not even sure where to lay blame on that. How you implode on yourself that badly I just can't imagine.
Defense was just horrible. Not even sure it was worth having a D-line out there on pass plays. I'm not sure Rodgers was hit or hit the turf once. I don't think we will ever beat Rodgers if we can't put pressure on him. We could have the best safeties and corners in the league (which we sure as hell don't), and no way we beat Rodgers if he can just sit back there pretty much as long as he wants and pick his spots. F-ing pitiful. I know Allen wasn't there, but we still spent too much money on that line to not be able to at least put some good pressure into a pretty suspect O-line.
It was embarrassing to see our team having to run out the clock with the backups at the end of a Bears-Pack game that we were losing by 17 points. We literally RAN THE GAME OUT. It went so bad, it wasn't even worth trying to win. I'm not saying it wasn't the right decision, that game was over once the pack got up more then 2 scores, but it was just embarrassing to see.
I don't care about the bad calls that were definitely there, and they overturned what was our only good stop, but we couldn't stop anything and the coaches knew it. That onsides kick pretty much says what our coach feels about the D, they won't stop them anyways, may as well take a small chance at leaving them out of it for a possession.
Done for now, i'll go back and catch up with the thread later today.
That first half offense was pretty awesome to watch, a couple of small mistakes in there, drops, some slight overthrows, but it was great to see that we were in a shootout and responding to it. However, that could have been one of the worst managed 1 minute drives that I have ever seen. Why in the hell was the plan for the first play to run then take a time out?????? Get back to the line, spike it, do something. Run and plan to blow that first time out is just not an acceptable way to start out. Just having one more TO would have made that drive worth something. It looked great and needed to end in points, not a disappointing first and 1 at the goal line watching time expire.
Second half offense, I don't know what the F that was. Don't know if I've ever seen a team just come out that badly after such a great first half. I'm not even sure where to lay blame on that. How you implode on yourself that badly I just can't imagine.
Defense was just horrible. Not even sure it was worth having a D-line out there on pass plays. I'm not sure Rodgers was hit or hit the turf once. I don't think we will ever beat Rodgers if we can't put pressure on him. We could have the best safeties and corners in the league (which we sure as hell don't), and no way we beat Rodgers if he can just sit back there pretty much as long as he wants and pick his spots. F-ing pitiful. I know Allen wasn't there, but we still spent too much money on that line to not be able to at least put some good pressure into a pretty suspect O-line.
It was embarrassing to see our team having to run out the clock with the backups at the end of a Bears-Pack game that we were losing by 17 points. We literally RAN THE GAME OUT. It went so bad, it wasn't even worth trying to win. I'm not saying it wasn't the right decision, that game was over once the pack got up more then 2 scores, but it was just embarrassing to see.
I don't care about the bad calls that were definitely there, and they overturned what was our only good stop, but we couldn't stop anything and the coaches knew it. That onsides kick pretty much says what our coach feels about the D, they won't stop them anyways, may as well take a small chance at leaving them out of it for a possession.
Done for now, i'll go back and catch up with the thread later today.
i heard a lot of callers railing on this topic too... there were 5 minutes left and they were down 21 points... what were you expecting to happen?
flapgreen
Footballguy
Not dialing up any blitzs was just another mistake in a long line of them. We were getting crushed. No reason to not try something else.
The Tick
Footballguy
As I said, I'm not saying it wasn't the correct football decision and I'm glad they did it. The game was lost, and they admitted it. We had no answer for the packer offence. Even if our offense pulled their heads out of their asses and started scoring again it would have just been answered.
Regardless, I was embarrassed to have to watch that in an important game against our division rivals. Just the fact the game got so out of had it got to that point, as a fan, it was just hard to watch.
The Tick
Footballguy
No. The packers have a damaged OL also, one starter is out for the year, another out for a couple more weeks, and one more is playing with a bad knee. This is not a sold Oline at all. We should have been able to do SOMETHING with the players we had. With 2 backups they completely pass-blocked our O-line. Saying we had a couple guys out also is not an excuse for 0 QB hits. Would it have looked better with those two guys in, yeah, I bet it would have, but again, it's not saying much that all of our starters may have looked OK against a busted OL.
RBM
Footballguy
Horrible post. And stop excusing the entire defense because Allen and Ratliff were out. They're both on the wrong side of 30, and Ratliff hasn't been a pro bowler in years. What the hell about Houston and Young and Paea and our 2nd AND 3rd rd picks??? We have invested in all of those guys and besides Young (who has disappeared since week 2) have got nothing from them.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Trestman came out today and said Marshall was supposed to run a 18 yard hook and instead ran a go route on that int..... I know facts do not matter to some of you self- professed geniuses who still blame Cutler for that pick
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
I agree the D was terrible but it could have been a different game if we did not shoot ourselves in the foot on O and the refs did not gift the pack all those gifts (1st down on late hit by DJ Williams and the 15 yard for the hit by Mundy was a joke)
We missed 3 Tds in 1st half by inches and instead only got 6 pts. The game was much closer than the final score suggests. Our O was eating up the pack D
We missed 3 Tds in 1st half by inches and instead only got 6 pts. The game was much closer than the final score suggests. Our O was eating up the pack D
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Not true. Bulaga played yesterday... Their C is a rookie I agree. But Sherrod was their weak link at OT but he did not play yest
The Tick
Footballguy
OK, I will admit, I thought they had a second player on that line that wasn't supposed to be a starter this year besides the center, maybe I was wrong there, packer fan friend has been giving me confusing information. I still say that they haven't had a strong OL this year, and should have never been able to completely stonewall our d-line. Still pitiful.Sweetness_34 said:
twistd
Footballguy
I don't know if the defense is as bad as they looked Sunday. I do think they will improve a bit getting Allen and Ratliff back. The lack of a pass rush, and the poor play of the secondary are two reasons to be very concerned about this defense. I think teams will watch this game tape and lick their chops at the chance to throw against this secondary. I'd like to see Vereen in the game. We have seen Conte play and we know what he can do. He had two good interceptions, but his play is very inconsistent. When he is bad he is really bad. I honestly think the Bears could pick players off of practice squads from other teams and find safeties as good as what they have.
The offense needs Marshall healthy. Another unfortunate thing we are discovering is that Morgan and Holmes offer very little. The Bears really need Wilson back to have some other player to contribute besides Bennett, Jeffrey, and Marshall in the passing game.
I wouldn't be completely surprised if the Bears managed to win three of their next four. If they could do that they would go in to the bye at 5-3. But I also wouldn't be surprised if the Bears lost all four games. Carolina, Atlanta, and New England on the road are tough games. The Miami game is the easiest on the upcoming schedule, but there are no teams the Bears can take for granted this season.
I really thought all the things the Bears did to improve the defense, resigning Ratliff, and signing Allen, Houston, Young, and Mundy, drafting Ferguson, Sutton, Vereen, and Fuller would make this defense a lot better. Against the Jets it looked that way, but against the Packers it looked like last years defense reincarnated. I really don't know what to think.
The offense needs Marshall healthy. Another unfortunate thing we are discovering is that Morgan and Holmes offer very little. The Bears really need Wilson back to have some other player to contribute besides Bennett, Jeffrey, and Marshall in the passing game.
I wouldn't be completely surprised if the Bears managed to win three of their next four. If they could do that they would go in to the bye at 5-3. But I also wouldn't be surprised if the Bears lost all four games. Carolina, Atlanta, and New England on the road are tough games. The Miami game is the easiest on the upcoming schedule, but there are no teams the Bears can take for granted this season.
I really thought all the things the Bears did to improve the defense, resigning Ratliff, and signing Allen, Houston, Young, and Mundy, drafting Ferguson, Sutton, Vereen, and Fuller would make this defense a lot better. Against the Jets it looked that way, but against the Packers it looked like last years defense reincarnated. I really don't know what to think.
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Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
When a receiver has a bad ankle, as did Marshall, it is questionable play-calling to have him hooking in the deep seam.
flapgreen
Footballguy
He's not a real person. No one is that dumb. It's just some random alias on a terrible fishing trip.
The Tick
Footballguy
Sounds like Bushrod went down with a knee injury in practice, not sure on severity or anything. Don't remember who our backup tackle is that this point. I think Ola was supposed to be one of them, but he's already been put in at guard.
Hope this isn't serious as this would be a huge issue...
Hope this isn't serious as this would be a huge issue...
jagbag
Footballguy
Nothing on the severity yet
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/02/jermon-bushrod-misses-practice-with-knee-injury/
Statcruncher
Footballguy
Have heard that Slauson is close to returning, if so then Ola could slide out to tackle. Regardless, not a good thing.
RBM
Footballguy
Terrible. We need Slauson back big time, or that entire side is going to be a problem
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The Tick
Footballguy
Slauson back will be great, though I've really been pretty impressed with Ola. Don't know if he'll ever qualify for a full starting spot as the only open spots in the next couple years will be center/LT, but man, if he can hold his own at OT spots, what a quality backup to have laying around. Has been about as good a replacement for Slauson as we could have hoped for these first few weeks.
twistd
Footballguy
Uncle! I have defended Cutler for a long time. I am officially done. I am really looking forward to another QB under center. I am so sick of Cutler and his stupid decisions. I think Trestman has met his match. Trestman did wonders with McCown last year, I thought he could get Cutler straightened out. I was wrong. You can't cure stupid. I look forward to a season when I don't have to look at Cutler tossing the rock for the Bears. At this point I wish the Bears had let Cutler walk and kept McCown.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Yea McCown looks great in Tampa!! Yup.
I guess we should cut Forte too since he gave up the ball on an awful fumble that was all his fault
I guess we should cut Brandon Marshall too since he was responsible for an awful fumble in the Bills game and he ran the wrong route (Trestman confirmed this) in the GB game which led to an int that blew the game open.
Settle down....Sure Cutler had a couple of bad throws but he still threw for almost 300 yards and 3 TDs (one rushing)..... you can have Kyle Orton and McCown, I will take Cutler.
Can someone cut our entire Special teams too btw? Every week they make some dumb plays (see NIners game on punt blocked for TD; now a free TD today)
I guess we should cut Forte too since he gave up the ball on an awful fumble that was all his fault
I guess we should cut Brandon Marshall too since he was responsible for an awful fumble in the Bills game and he ran the wrong route (Trestman confirmed this) in the GB game which led to an int that blew the game open.
Settle down....Sure Cutler had a couple of bad throws but he still threw for almost 300 yards and 3 TDs (one rushing)..... you can have Kyle Orton and McCown, I will take Cutler.
Can someone cut our entire Special teams too btw? Every week they make some dumb plays (see NIners game on punt blocked for TD; now a free TD today)
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You guys signed him to a giant long term deal last year. He isn't going anywhere for two years.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
It goes beyond Cutler. It starts with bad ownership. This is the reality of this team. Ownership has layers of incompetence but they have shrewd old school Chicago and NFL connections that run deep to help keep the image of "tradition" flowing. Just like the Cubs. They can afford to lose because they rake in the bucks and have an extensive fan base that deserves better.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Again...Cutler had almost 300 yards and 3 TDs....I will take that from a starting QB in the NFL all day long, despite some turn overs. Drew Brees threw a pick 6 today (3 ints in totality) and they almost lost to the freaking Bucs at home (one of the worst defenses in the league). I guess the Saints should cut Brees too. The Panthers actually have all pros on their D (Charles Johnson; Keuchly; Thomas Smith) and the Bears were without their starting LT on the road. Dumb turn overs, dumb special teams play (Gould missed an easy one; terrible ST play on the punt return for TD) and dumb defensive play calling (why were we playing soft cover 2 up 21-7 at the end of the 1st half letting them march down the field and score an easy TD????) definitely cost us the game
I am not saying Cutler did not make some mistakes, but this was a team wide choke. They should have never lost this game, but the blame goes to a lot of areas - Forte; STs; D; OL in addition to Cutler.
Good thing is the league is full of parity....the Lions lost to the Bills at home after being up all game; the Falcons have no D or OL and lost another shoot out (to the Giants this time); the Eagles almost lost to the Rams at home and their D has been giving up 25+ points every game (including to Jax); Saints almost lost to Bucs at home; Niners barely squeeked by Chiefs at home etc
I am not saying Cutler did not make some mistakes, but this was a team wide choke. They should have never lost this game, but the blame goes to a lot of areas - Forte; STs; D; OL in addition to Cutler.
Good thing is the league is full of parity....the Lions lost to the Bills at home after being up all game; the Falcons have no D or OL and lost another shoot out (to the Giants this time); the Eagles almost lost to the Rams at home and their D has been giving up 25+ points every game (including to Jax); Saints almost lost to Bucs at home; Niners barely squeeked by Chiefs at home etc
flapgreen
Footballguy
This shtick and alias got old years ago. Let it go
twistd
Footballguy
McCown has had a crappy o-line. He has Lovie for a coach. We all know Lovie is clueless when it comes to QBs. The Bucs were contacted by four teams about Glennon. Lovie thought nothing of Glennon and immediately signed McCown. It is a sad situation. McCown would be just fine if he was here.
Forte had an awful fumble. But he doesn't consistently fumble. Cutler regularly makes stupid decisions that cost his team. Pro Football Focus has Cutler rated as the 25th best QB in the league going in to this week. And I would imagine after this week he will be lower. Throwing for 300 yards and a couple of TDs doesn't really matter when you throw interceptions that cost your team a chance to win the game.
Cutler is what he is. He will always get your hopes up by playing well for awhile. But then he will lose games by throwing stupid interceptions. He will never get better. He can never be trusted.
twistd
Footballguy
He was signed at the beginning of this year, so yes, we will have to watch his sorry ### for two more years.
twistd
Footballguy
The Lions lost a tough game against the Bills. But the Lions beat the Packers two weeks ago. The Bears were destroyed by the Packers. The Falcons struggled against a good Giants team. The Eagles best the Rams. The Saints aren't as good as I thought they would be, but they still won. Good teams find ways to win games. Bad teams find ways to lose them. The Bears are a bad team.
Right now the Packers are a big favorite to win the North. So you would have to compete for a wild card spot. You have to compete against the Niners, Cards, and Lions, either the Cowboys or the Giants, plus the Falcons, Panthers or the Saints to get those two spots. There is very little chance that the Bears can get past these teams for a playoff spot.
The reality is that the Bears just aren't a very good team. We had high hopes that they had a shot at the playoffs. They look like an 8-8 team right now. That won't get you in the playoffs.
RBM
Footballguy
I'm looking at Mr offensive genius head coach. First and most important, this is a soft team. We almost never win the battle of the line....on either side. The players are lacking a toughness....mentally and physically. Im sick of that.
Second, I was really expecting much more from this offense. The team this year was supposed to be carried by the O, with the D just doing enough. We were supposed to out score teams. That's not happening. Sure Cutler has been his usual inconsistent self, but I was expecting more. We don't even have a damn rushing td.
I don't know....just so disgusted and I'm blaming Trestman this week.
Second, I was really expecting much more from this offense. The team this year was supposed to be carried by the O, with the D just doing enough. We were supposed to out score teams. That's not happening. Sure Cutler has been his usual inconsistent self, but I was expecting more. We don't even have a damn rushing td.
I don't know....just so disgusted and I'm blaming Trestman this week.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Sweetie loves to use his "almost" argument a lot. Terrible shtick.
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Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Statcruncher
Footballguy
Lol at Cutler being Cutler. So tired of seeing dumb decisions and inaccurate throws wind up in the other team's hands. There's no doubt he's gone after the 2016 season. The only question is, can Emery/Trestman survive that long? IMO the jury is still out on Trestman but I think Emery has done a great job.
As for the rest of this season I've officially reset my expectations from "playoff team with a chance to go all the way" to "bad team who can lose to anyone". It's easier to watch the games expecting a loss than it is expecting a win and getting steamrolled every Sunday.
As for the rest of this season I've officially reset my expectations from "playoff team with a chance to go all the way" to "bad team who can lose to anyone". It's easier to watch the games expecting a loss than it is expecting a win and getting steamrolled every Sunday.
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The Tick
Footballguy
Agree, but I'd say "mediocre team". Hell, it'd almost be nice if we were just bad, one of the teams bound to win 6 or less games, then I wouldn't get my hopes up on sunday, but I think we'll end up with right around 8 wins again. Not saying that's acceptable, just average.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
The Bears got steamrolled by the Bills and the Panthers? I am pretty sure they shot themselves in the foot. Even in the Packer game, they missed multiple chances in the first down to score 28-35 points....yes it is frustrating, but it is not like the Bears could not be 4-1 right now easily....sure they could be 1-4 too....but that is the NFL these days....not many juggernauts in the league and it is a week to week league....did you miss watching the Bucs almost beat the Saints? Or the Falcons lose to the Vikings and Giants on the road? Or the Lions lose to the Panthers and Bills? Or the Niners lose to the Cards led by the great Drew Stanton?
Statcruncher
Footballguy
I meant my expectations of a win getting steamrolled, not the Bears themselves. Sorry I didn't make that more clear.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Saints, Niners, Falcons, Lions. Most of who will make the playoffs. But they allllmost lost, sir. Maybe we can get an extra point in the win column for almost beating the Bills and Panthers. Rule change or something.
flapgreen
Footballguy
You're one of the more even keeled guys on here, obviously more optimistic than myself but also realistic.We're average at this point. Playoffs chances are very remote. As some others on here have said, probably another 8-8 season. So disappointing.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Offense should be so much better than it is.
Defensively...already had weaknesses, injuries have destroyed the secondary and they are relying on the rookie too much almost (seems to me).
They almost need to just get in shootouts and put up a lot of points early and hope the other team makes mistakes pressing later in games.
Problem is...the Bears have been the ones making the mistakes later in games.
Shouldn't be many weeks where you all don't score about 30 points though...with all the weapons (OL is hurting right now too with injuries though isn't it?)
twistd
Footballguy
This argument about injuries destroying the secondary is an interesting one to me. I feel Tillman has been playing on reputation for a couple of years now. (If you noticed, before the Bears resigned Tillman there was almost no interest from other teams to signing him. Which shows you what other teams thought of him.) As long as Tillman was healthy I believe they would have left Tillman at the starting corner spot and Fuller would have played the nickel. Fuller is worlds better than Tillman at this point. So having Tillman get injured made the secondary better by moving Fuller in as a starter. You could argue that they would be better with Tillman at the nickel instead of Frey, but I don't believe it would have played out that way. Tillman would have continued blocking Fuller from starting as long as Tillman was healthy. Fuller is the only above average player the Bears have in the secondary, and despite being a rookie, he looks terrific at times. Jennings is ranked 40th by Pro Football Focus.
The Bears have a whole group of below average safeties. This is the rankings, by PFF, of the Bears safeties after week four:
Brock Vereen 40
Ahmad Dixon 64
McCray 83
Mundy 99
Conte 127
When you look at only the players who have played at least 25% of the snaps, Vereen and Dixon disappear. So the two guys who have played the best aren't playing. And the worst of the bunch, Conte, is the guy that people point to as one of the guys who missed some time as what 'decimated' their secondary. (This is interesting, Major Wright who was rated as one of the worst safeties in the league last year with the Bears, is rated better than anyone on the Bears except Vereen. Maybe that points to coaching.)
The point of this is that the Bears secondary isn't 'decimated' by injuries. They lost Tillman but it allowed Fuller to move in as a full time starter, which makes them better. And at the safety spot you can mix and match these guys. None of them are very good. Vereen has the potential to get better because he is a rookie. And he isn't even playing much. But to make the argument that the secondary is weaker because Mundy or Conte aren't playing is just not accurate. There isn't much difference between Conte and McCray, or Mundy and Vereen. So the secondary isn't bad because of injuries. The secondary is bad because they lack talent.
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