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**OFFICIAL 2014 Dallas Cowboys Offseason Thread (2 Viewers)
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Routilla
Footballguy
B-Deep
Footballguy
Yup I am happy
I have a slight wr fear in round 2, I know this is a deep wr draft and another toy for romo would be tempting, but I hope they go defense, preferably line
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
What a shockingly mature pick.
I wasn't buying this Manziel to the Cowboys stuff. Made no sense. But, I couldn't help but be a bit nervous until the pick was made.
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Footballguy
I'm astonished we had him and didn't take him.
I was in for full rebuild by keeping only TWilliams/ Fredericks, TSmith, and Escobar and drafting Manziel....
With that being said , if Jer-ruh is going to keep drafting OL in the first round maybe not all hope is lost. It was an incredibly and uncharacteristically smart pick.
On a side note- The BROWNS!!!?!!??? I have to buy a ####### BROWNS jersey????
I was in for full rebuild by keeping only TWilliams/ Fredericks, TSmith, and Escobar and drafting Manziel....
With that being said , if Jer-ruh is going to keep drafting OL in the first round maybe not all hope is lost. It was an incredibly and uncharacteristically smart pick.
On a side note- The BROWNS!!!?!!??? I have to buy a ####### BROWNS jersey????
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
As deep as the draft is, I'm scratching my head at the trade up. A little help here?
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
Too many holes to throw away a 3rd, regardless of value of the DE. Happy we got him, but not for the cost.
13 spots for a third sounds about right, must have been their guy. But, was he projected to go that high, might have waited and got him anyways. Why not Ealy?
Edit to add: Never mind looked like Falcons were going to take him so Dallas did what they had too and jumped ahead.
Edit to add: Never mind looked like Falcons were going to take him so Dallas did what they had too and jumped ahead.
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I hate the move up. Could have found a solid/starting LB in the 3rd. Some solid DE/DT choices on the board at their original 2nd spot.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
As much as I really liked Martin @ 16, I don't like this trade up. Such a deep draft and soooooo many holes. We lost in the trade by about the value of a mid-4th pick on the Jimmy Johnson chart.
Quotes from Valley Ranch say that Lawrence say that he was a first round graded guy. The last of the RDE candidates. The last of the guys capable of drawing double teams.
I sure hope so. IF he truly is that good, then maybe this wasn't terrible. But they gave up 2 potential starters to get this guy. On a shallow team. At 47, they could have had Jernigan or Attachou, among others. This reminds of Kavika Pittman and Shante Carver. Pushing to fill the void left by Charles Haley. Now they panic and overpay to fill this same void about 15 years later.
I really hope this isn't BackFill of Haley v2.0. I really hope that the scouting dept did their work and he truly rated that well. Its all we can hope for right now. Frustrating. So much goodwill earned in round 1 undone with this one.
Quotes from Valley Ranch say that Lawrence say that he was a first round graded guy. The last of the RDE candidates. The last of the guys capable of drawing double teams.
I sure hope so. IF he truly is that good, then maybe this wasn't terrible. But they gave up 2 potential starters to get this guy. On a shallow team. At 47, they could have had Jernigan or Attachou, among others. This reminds of Kavika Pittman and Shante Carver. Pushing to fill the void left by Charles Haley. Now they panic and overpay to fill this same void about 15 years later.
I really hope this isn't BackFill of Haley v2.0. I really hope that the scouting dept did their work and he truly rated that well. Its all we can hope for right now. Frustrating. So much goodwill earned in round 1 undone with this one.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
Good size on the WR. Looks like a good, solid possession WR.
I agree with your assessment. We seem to reach here for a guy with some minor issues.
I'm OK with Martin in the 1st BUT, would have been happy if they traded that back to late 1st and got another 3rd. So many holes!
My dream scenario: Dallas traded back with NO or Clev and got the extra 3rd. Reached for Lawrence in the 1st. IF they wanted him that badly OK.
Then come back in round 2 with Mewhort OT, round 3 Nix or K. Martin, Round 3 extra pick on Turner G or Shoefield OT.
In this scenario, you get Lawrence so is Martin really worth 3 picks??????
DreamTheater
Footballguy
Hitchens a grade of 1.0 on the SI site..
Had to be someone better there...just had to..
Back to reality in the Dallas war room I guess..
After that 1st pick, we all thought that maybe, just maybe there would be positive change going on....
Had to be someone better there...just had to..
Back to reality in the Dallas war room I guess..
After that 1st pick, we all thought that maybe, just maybe there would be positive change going on....
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
These last 3 picks in the 7th round are strictly lottery tix right?
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N Zone
Footballguy
Should have drafted Manziel. Complete failure, just like passing on Randy Moss; and drafting Felix Jones instead of Chris Johnson. Manziel talent and upside is off the charts. When Romo's done, just wonder how many craptastic season Cowboys will have just like the Chad Hutchinson, Drew Henson, Quincy Carter, Ryan Leaf, Drew Bledsoe eras.
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
Wait, what?
Anyway, excited the boys got Mitchell. I think he can be a solid coverage guy. Quite pleased with our final pick.
simmonjm
Footballguy
I like living in a fantasy as well. In your plan do you just pretend like the HUGE Romo signing bonus doesn't exist? If Manziel was/is so talented how come everyone passed on him before Dallas? If Manziel was so talented how come no deals too good to pass up for Jerry Jones and company?
N Zone
Footballguy
Because, they didn't do their due diligence/research on Manziel, Jerry Jones even said so. Brett Favre wasn't even a first round pick, but I knew he was going to be a superstar too.
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fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
simmonjm
Footballguy
Looks like you missed your calling as an NFL scout, since you know who is going to be a superstar before they even play. Manziel is immature and even if he makes it in Cleveland there is no guarantee that he would have made it under the bright lights and media scrutiny in Dallas.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
#failI'm exceedingly happy with this draft (I know, crazy positive coming from me) , chiefly because the focus was on putting together talent in areas of foundational need as opposed to this team's penchant for distraction by shiny little ornaments.
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sspunisher
Footballguy
I'm definitely in the minority here but I've been very adamant about how offensive line was a greater need than any other position on our team so I love the way the 1st round unfolded.
Tyron dominating on the blind side means nothing to Romo if Leary is letting the pocket collapse inside. We need the ENTIRE o-line to hold their ground, and until everyone does, it's our weakest link because our most important player stands behind them.
I think we dodged a HUGE temptation bullet when Pittsburgh took Shazier. Good player that we apparently coveted but he wouldn't transform our team in its current status.
IMO, the most important thing our 1st rounder does is that it sets up our young o-line to peak roughly at the same time. They'll either be letting Romo pick apart defenses in 3 years or they'll be making our future QB's transition to the NFL significantly easier. It's a great pick for 2014 and it's a great pick for the future.
I'm still undecided about Lawrence in regards to what we gave up. The 3rd would have been very nice but we've had a fair amount of success with 2nd and 3rd rounders ever since Garrett instituted RKG. I think it significantly increases the probability of Lawrence achieving his upside... or avoiding busting at the very least. If Lawrence hits, it should be worth it.
I'm hearing some rave reviews about some of our 7th round picks. Especially the guys we drafted at S, DT, DE which I absolutely love since those are our main weaknesses on defense. If just one of them hits or even contributes we'll be good.
Tyron dominating on the blind side means nothing to Romo if Leary is letting the pocket collapse inside. We need the ENTIRE o-line to hold their ground, and until everyone does, it's our weakest link because our most important player stands behind them.
I think we dodged a HUGE temptation bullet when Pittsburgh took Shazier. Good player that we apparently coveted but he wouldn't transform our team in its current status.
IMO, the most important thing our 1st rounder does is that it sets up our young o-line to peak roughly at the same time. They'll either be letting Romo pick apart defenses in 3 years or they'll be making our future QB's transition to the NFL significantly easier. It's a great pick for 2014 and it's a great pick for the future.
I'm still undecided about Lawrence in regards to what we gave up. The 3rd would have been very nice but we've had a fair amount of success with 2nd and 3rd rounders ever since Garrett instituted RKG. I think it significantly increases the probability of Lawrence achieving his upside... or avoiding busting at the very least. If Lawrence hits, it should be worth it.
I'm hearing some rave reviews about some of our 7th round picks. Especially the guys we drafted at S, DT, DE which I absolutely love since those are our main weaknesses on defense. If just one of them hits or even contributes we'll be good.
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cstu
Footballguy
The Good
Martin - going to be great and filled a big need.
Lawrence - possibly he can be great in a few years. Very expensive risk
Street- I loved the trade up to get him. We gave up very little to get a lot of upside.
The Bad
Losing the 3rd rounder.
IMO, we should have traded back to late first. Take Lawrence there if you love him.
Then we'd have a 2nd and (2) 3rds to find our OT, another DE and a DT.
The Ugly
Having the draft in May. The wait was brutal.
Martin - going to be great and filled a big need.
Lawrence - possibly he can be great in a few years. Very expensive risk
Street- I loved the trade up to get him. We gave up very little to get a lot of upside.
The Bad
Losing the 3rd rounder.
IMO, we should have traded back to late first. Take Lawrence there if you love him.
Then we'd have a 2nd and (2) 3rds to find our OT, another DE and a DT.
The Ugly
Having the draft in May. The wait was brutal.
N Zone
Footballguy
Very true.
Good point and I like Bledsoe. I shouldn't have included him in that list.
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Ridgelake
Footballguy
Martin is a solid pick that should really help the OL for years. Another major building block there.
Sure hope Lawrence is the pass rusher they hope.
That 4th round LB sure seemed like a big reach.
The 5th round WR seems like a size/speed profile guy that the team loves. Reasonable pick. They have guys who can play the slot. Need insurance on the outside. This guy is it.
The 7th round defensive carpet bomb. Throw 5 darts at the board. All seem like they have a chance. Especially the 2 DL guys. I like what they did there.
UDFA, I've read good things about several guys, including FB, WR.
Start and end was good. In between, some real question marks that leave you hoping that the scouts got it right. Some decisions that had one wondering what might have been.
Sure hope Lawrence is the pass rusher they hope.
That 4th round LB sure seemed like a big reach.
The 5th round WR seems like a size/speed profile guy that the team loves. Reasonable pick. They have guys who can play the slot. Need insurance on the outside. This guy is it.
The 7th round defensive carpet bomb. Throw 5 darts at the board. All seem like they have a chance. Especially the 2 DL guys. I like what they did there.
UDFA, I've read good things about several guys, including FB, WR.
Start and end was good. In between, some real question marks that leave you hoping that the scouts got it right. Some decisions that had one wondering what might have been.
dhockster
Footballguy
Dallas Strip clubs >>>>>>>>>>> Cleveland Strip Clubs
Ridgelake
Footballguy
According to this article by Mike Silver, the Rams were going to trade this year's 2nd and 3rd and next year's 2nd to the Ravens for pick 17. That's how much they valued Zack Martin.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap2000000349663/article/jeff-fisher-st-louis-rams-embrace-michael-sam-an-inside-look
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap2000000349663/article/jeff-fisher-st-louis-rams-embrace-michael-sam-an-inside-look
Ridgelake
Footballguy
This is the post-draft article that I've seen regarding the Boys' draft and its implications. Really insightful stuff.
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014/5/12/5709830/dallas-cowboys-2014-draft-picks-how-it-reflects-the-state-of-the-organization
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014/5/12/5709830/dallas-cowboys-2014-draft-picks-how-it-reflects-the-state-of-the-organization
dhockster
Footballguy
Very good read. I am curious though: he seems to be blaming Wade and his staff for the mess they are in, partially due to overpaying for aging veterans. Wouldn't Jerry have had a lot of say in this area?
Ridgelake
Footballguy
Escobar's rookie year was typical of top 50 pick TEs. Even the best struggled at that position as rookies. He certainly flashed ability at times. Lets see what happens this year. He may not become a hall of famer like Witten, but I saw nothing to suggest he can't become an above-average starter in time.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
I read a comment from Stephan Jones that, if they had not traded 47 and 78 for DLaw, they would have taken Kony Ealy at 47 and Trai Turner at 78. This one will be interesting to watch, similar to the Brockers and Bobby Wagner versus Claiborne from a couple years ago.
I have to say, the thought of adding yet another quality body to the OL (Trai Turner) gives me warm fuzzies. But it was not to be (this year).
I have to say, the thought of adding yet another quality body to the OL (Trai Turner) gives me warm fuzzies. But it was not to be (this year).
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Footballguy
I LOVE the Martin pick.
I wish we traded back into the first for Mr. Football.
I wish we traded back into the first for Mr. Football.
